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  #61  
Old August 24th 20, 03:24 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On Aug 23, 2020 at 2:31:10 PM MST, "Snit"
wrote:

On Aug 23, 2020 at 2:15:06 PM MST, "nospam" wrote:

In article , Snit
wrote:

I suspect that you won1t want to hear it, but the default on Macs is
to
have OK on the right... And, back in the days of the Resource Editor,
it
was
possible, though very much advised against, to dig up ResEdit (that1s
ResEdit,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ResEdit not RegEdit) and make
changes
to the dialogs. I used to use ResEdit to do things like add
command-key
combinations, change the names of menus, change the colours of menus,
and
generally play around inside apps and system files, though only on a
copy.
Many was the time that what seemed like a minor change (setting the
Finder1s menus to be black with white text, for example) proved to be
a
Very Bad Idea.

actually, it was widely done without any adverse effect, unless the app
was poorly written and made assumptions it should not have made.

In which case it had bad effects.

rearranging dialogue layouts or changing menu colours had no effect
whatsoever, other than aesthetics. the app had no clue it even
happened.

I am in reference to your comment about applications. Sorry you missed
that.


You had no relevant comment on this.

...

i only mentioned the possibility because nothing is 100% perfect.

theoretically, an app could do something very stupid, however, it's not
anything anyone should worry about. in the unlikely event something
does go wrong, take it as a hint to stop using the app because there
are probably a lot of other problems with the app.

I cannot think of any great issues I had with it...


You had no relevant comment on this. Not interested in your efforts to change
the topic to yourself.

...

though I do know I ran
into some problems. Also just played to fiddle with apps in silly ways.


that would almost certainly have been user error versus an issue with
the app.


Maybe. Maybe not. As you said it could be from poorly written programs.

stop talking about things you know nothing about.

When was the last day you had in less than 50% of your posts such comments
where you make assumptions about what others do and do not know just to try
to
feel better about yourself?

This is not a rhetorical question -- can you find ANY day like that? I
suspect
not.


You had no relevant comment on this. Not interested in your efforts to change
the topic to yourself.

Unlike using Preference files to open apps which seemed to work pretty
much
universally.

'seemed to work pretty much' is a nice bunch of weasel words.

I already showed it worked with MS Word:


that's only *one* app


Yes, MS Word is only one app. I am glad you understand this.

and not in any way representative of all mac apps.


What you snipped:
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https://youtu.be/IouS4iDvsOQ

Do you have an example of it NOT working? Made the video to show you what I
was talking about on Aug 17... you have yet to show ANY app where this
failed.

How long do you think it will take you to find one? If you do we can have a
discussion on tech and not on your need to put others down. I would prefer
that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

...


nospam responded to this with trolling. Not biting beyond this.


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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.


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Old August 24th 20, 03:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On Aug 23, 2020 at 7:14:53 PM MST, "nospam" wrote:

In article , Snit
wrote:

Hasn't it always been called "MacOS"?

Nope. In the Classic days it was System 1, System 2, System 3, System 4,
Software System 5, Software System 6, Software System 7/Mac OS 7, Mac OS
8, Mac OS 9... then Mac OS X, then OS X, then macOS.

nobody called it 'software system'.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_6
-----
System 6 (also referred to as System Software 6) ...
-----


What you snipped:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_6
-----
System 6 (also referred to as System Software 6) ...
-----

Now you know! But, sure, I did not list both for that version... which only
makes it less confusing, eh?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

And now you know. I think it is cool... but you want to troll. Not really
gonna keep biting.

....
it was called system 0.9 through 7.5.5, macos 7.6 through 9.2.2, then
mac os x and its variants with the associated cat & landmark names.

And somewhere in there the
older Mac was called "Classic" as it ran on the newer one.

nope.


Yes. Apple called it "Classic" when it run on OS X.


no they didn't.


https://support.apple.com/kb/sp198?locale=en_US

Technically "Macintosh Classic"

....

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superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.


  #63  
Old August 24th 20, 03:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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Default How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?

In article , Snit
wrote:

it was called system 0.9 through 7.5.5, macos 7.6 through 9.2.2, then
mac os x and its variants with the associated cat & landmark names.

And somewhere in there the
older Mac was called "Classic" as it ran on the newer one.

nope.

Yes. Apple called it "Classic" when it run on OS X.


no they didn't.


https://support.apple.com/kb/sp198?locale=en_US

Technically "Macintosh Classic"


further proof you have *zero* understanding of what you read and
nothing more than an incredibly clueless troll.

that link has absolutely nothing to do with anything being discussed.

and as expected, you snipped the explanation because it shows you to be
wrong.

here it is again:

'classic' is the environment in which classic mac os, specifically, mac
os 9, could run under mac os x, which is what i said and which you
snipped and will no doubt snip again because it proves you wrong.

https://developer.apple.com/library/.../Darwin/Concep
tual/KernelProgramming/art/osxlayers.gif
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Old August 24th 20, 03:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On Aug 23, 2020 at 7:47:24 PM MST, "nospam" wrote:

In article , Snit
wrote:

it was called system 0.9 through 7.5.5, macos 7.6 through 9.2.2, then
mac os x and its variants with the associated cat & landmark names.

And somewhere in there the
older Mac was called "Classic" as it ran on the newer one.

nope.

Yes. Apple called it "Classic" when it run on OS X.

no they didn't.


https://support.apple.com/kb/sp198?locale=en_US

Technically "Macintosh Classic"


further proof


See the above link.

....


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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.


  #65  
Old August 24th 20, 04:55 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Snit wrote:
On Aug 23, 2020 at 7:14:53 PM MST, "nospam" wrote:

In article , Snit
wrote:

Hasn't it always been called "MacOS"?

Nope. In the Classic days it was System 1, System 2, System 3, System 4,
Software System 5, Software System 6, Software System 7/Mac OS 7, Mac OS
8, Mac OS 9... then Mac OS X, then OS X, then macOS.

nobody called it 'software system'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_6
-----
System 6 (also referred to as System Software 6) ...
-----


What you snipped:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_6
-----
System 6 (also referred to as System Software 6) ...
-----

Now you know! But, sure, I did not list both for that version... which only
makes it less confusing, eh?
----------------------------------------------------------------------



How odd ... you snipped it again. LOL!

This is fun.

But I will grant you I posted a silly link on Classic. I was more focused
on your arrogance than the quickly found link. My apologies.

Now see if you ever admit to being wrong. I bet not.


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somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
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  #66  
Old August 24th 20, 01:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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Default How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?

In article , Snit
wrote:

it was called system 0.9 through 7.5.5, macos 7.6 through 9.2.2, then
mac os x and its variants with the associated cat & landmark names.

And somewhere in there the
older Mac was called "Classic" as it ran on the newer one.

nope.

Yes. Apple called it "Classic" when it run on OS X.

no they didn't.

https://support.apple.com/kb/sp198?locale=en_US

Technically "Macintosh Classic"


further proof


See the above link.


which proves that you are trolling.



...


as expected, you snipped what proves you wrong. no surprise there.
  #67  
Old August 24th 20, 05:08 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?

On 8/23/20 3:08 PM, Snit wrote:

[snip]

There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over?


How about clicking on "OK" or "cancel" rather than blindly clicking on a
spot that "feels right"?


Muscle memory.


Of course I would notice when that "muscle memory" was leading to the
WRONG result, and correct the problem (which was clicking the wrong
button).

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  #68  
Old August 24th 20, 05:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 8/23/20 4:08 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of
us with
experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people.


Going in reverse is THE SAME.* The wheel goes the same way to make the
car go to the right in either direction.* How can anyone possibly get
that wrong?


The direction is the same. You get messed up with the words "left" and
"right", which are observer-relative. It's those WORDS that are
reversed, not the directions themselves.

In college, someone asked me why things are reversed left-to-right but
not up-to-down in a mirror. The answer is that NEITHER direction is
reversed. It's just the way words are defined. "up" and "down" are
Earth-relative and don't change with your orientation. While looking in
a mirror, try pointing to your left and notice that you are pointing
left and the mirror image is pointing right but both you and the image
are pointing in the SAME direction.

The only thing incompetants can get wrong is reversing a trailer, as
you're steering the car not the trailer.


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Old August 24th 20, 05:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 8/23/20 4:15 PM, nospam wrote:
In article op.0ptl89qwwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:


But now Apple have started this bull**** with animals. How can anyone remember
whether a Tiger or a Leopard is better?


cat names have not been used since 2012. they now use california
landmarks.


IIRC, the next version is to be called "Big Sur", and will not work on
some older Macs.

[snip]

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Old August 24th 20, 05:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 8/23/20 4:20 PM, nospam wrote:

[snip]

Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us with
experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people.


anyone confused when backing up should not be driving.


When I was learning to drive, a relative was trying to tell me about
turn signals on a car I see in the rear-view mirror. "If the car is
signaling left, the light will be on the right. If the car is signaling
right, the light will be on the left." Instead of THAT complexity, I
realized the the directions were the same (which was a lot easier).

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  #71  
Old August 24th 20, 05:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 8/23/20 4:36 PM, Snit wrote:

[snip]

I still tend to think of them by their numbers.... though with some the names
were made to show connections (Snow Leopard followed Leopard for example).

Now they have gone all the way up to 11!


My Mac Mini currently shows:

macOS Catalina
Version 10.15.5

(there is an update to 10.15.6 scheduled to install tonight)

BTW, that island looks like some kind of predatory animal.

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  #72  
Old August 24th 20, 05:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 8/23/20 9:14 PM, nospam wrote:

[snip]

even a toddler on a tricycle knows how to back up.

anyone who is confused when backing up or has any trouble at all with
it should not be driving. very simple.


IIRC, I never got confused by backing up. Just by people trying to
explain it in overly complicated ways.

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  #73  
Old August 24th 20, 06:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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Default How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?

In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote:

But now Apple have started this bull**** with animals. How can anyone
remember
whether a Tiger or a Leopard is better?


cat names have not been used since 2012. they now use california
landmarks.


IIRC, the next version is to be called "Big Sur", and will not work on
some older Macs.


it works on macs from about 2013 or so onward.

it's also the first to run on both intel and apple silicon processors.
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Old August 24th 20, 06:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote:


Teaching my oldest child to drive... while it is obvious to those of us
with
experience, when you are new going in reverse confuses people.


anyone confused when backing up should not be driving.


When I was learning to drive, a relative was trying to tell me about
turn signals on a car I see in the rear-view mirror. "If the car is
signaling left, the light will be on the right. If the car is signaling
right, the light will be on the left." Instead of THAT complexity, I
realized the the directions were the same (which was a lot easier).


don't take driving lessons from relatives.

in fact, don't take driving lessons from the usual driving schools
either. they're almost as clueless and don't teach actual driving
skills.

take driving lessons from a *real* driving school where they actually
teach people how to safely drive and avoid crashes.

one example:
https://www.skipbarber.com/courses/teen-safety-survival/
Using our time-tested racing techniques, Skip Barber Driving
Schoolıs teach the survival skills needed to safely handle todayıs
challenging road conditions over the course of one full day. Using
time tested racing techniques, everyone in the family can benefit *
from the teenage driver to the more experienced enthusiast. Each
course is a carefully constructed combination of classroom and
behind-the-wheel instruction in an exciting variety of passenger
vehicles. Participants have the time of their lives * and learn the
skills that could save them!
  #75  
Old August 24th 20, 06:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 8/24/2020 9:39 AM, Jim H wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:38:47 +0100, in op.0ptkyxa8wdg98l@glass,
"Commander Kinsey" wrote:

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:00:17 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 8/23/20 9:33 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I have a major problem with Windows dialog boxes. Everything in my life
is affirmative action to the right (stereo volume control, car
accelerator, etc). Linux and Mac have OK on the right, that's fine.
Even though I virtually never use those two OSes, non-computer things in
life have ingrained it into my head that yes is on the right and no is
on the left. Almost 50% of the time I subconsciously click the wrong
button in a Windows dialog box because I expect OK to be on the right.
"Do you want to save this?" "Yes, oh no, I pressed cancel!"

There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over?

I never noticed this problem until someone else mentioned it. I would
click on the appropriate box like "OK" not just some location within the
window.


Do you glance down at your car pedals each time to the labels you wrote on them saying "brake" and "gas"?



Of course not. Nor do I confuse buttons on my computer monitor with my
car pedals.




So apparently you're not driving a car with windows.


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