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Old December 13th 17, 03:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Old December 13th 17, 06:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Landlines will only disappear when *everyone* can get perfect mobile reception with no dropouts or dead spots.

Dedicated cameras will last for a good while yet. Mobiles have smaller sensors which means worse signal-to-noise and therefore more noise-reduction artefacts, and they don't have zoom lenses to allow you to set any focal length you want within a range. The controls are on-screen which is more difficult to find and operate than a dedicated focus ring, zoom ring or buttons. I use a compact camera for the convenience of size when I don't want to use my SLR, but a phone is no substitute for the compact, let alone the SLR.

USB hard drives and thumb drives have their uses: you don't have to log in to a central server to copy the data off the cloud, and you are not dependent on an internet connection which will always be slower than a USB connection to a hard drive.

I like CDs and DVDs for one very good reason: I've bought the right to watch the film or listen to the music whenever I want and as many times as I want. Pay-to-listen and pay-to-view means you pay all over again every time you want to watch/listen.

I agree about payphones and fax machines.
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Old December 16th 17, 08:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/13/17 7:48 AM, Good Guy wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/30-things-that-might-be-obsolete-by-2020/ss-BBGA67B


Another writer that knows so little about this country, and some of the
systems in place.


Newspapers- Until everyone, regardless of economic situation, has
personal access to the internet, newspapers will be around for a long
time in many areas of the country.

Hard drives and thumb drives- One thing you can be sure of... Once the
cloud is the predominant storage medium, prices will go up. I've yet to
see anyone who predicts the cloud will be the "end all" for anything
ever address what happens when the connection is lost. Not just for a
few hours, but days.

Paper maps- Sadly, Google Maps and the other online maps do not contain
the information you can get from a good paper map. Especially for an
overall view of a large area.

Paperwork- Some of the items mentioned will require changes in the law.
And, having paper data protects you from massive data hacking and
infrastructure failure.

Fax machines- Legal changes will be needed here.

Streaming services- Something else to continuously suck the money out
of your pocket.

Bills in the mail- The idea of online bill pay only works if the vendor
pays for it. Having a physical bill is a much better memory jogger than
an email. I see a response here, print the email. Yea, so much for
getting rid of that paperwork.

Landlines- Only the stupid will give that up. Know what happens to
that smartphone when a cell tower and/or it's tower goes down? Gone,
baby, gone. No way to make an emergency phone call, nor reverse 911
calls. Landlines provide their own power. Plus, basic plans are cheaper.

Reference books- People have forgotten about the ease of browsing
through books. Electronic versions require you to know the right words
in order to search. With a book, you can browse and find what you want
far easier than electronic browsing. If you don't understand this, then
you need to get one of Good Guy's octogenarians to show you how to do it.

Checkbooks- They'll be around, not everyone wants their personal data
being bounced around the web. There will always be who refuse to absorb
the expense of the electronic future.

Travel agencies- As of yet, I don't know of an app that can out do a
good travel agent. Not to mention, the ability of the agent to find
alternate/better destinations for the person looking to just go somewhere.

Receipts- If they were used for just their purpose, receipts wouldn't
be long.


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Old December 16th 17, 09:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/13/2017 12:39 PM, NY wrote:
"Good Guy"
wrote in message news

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/30-things-that-might-be-obsolete-by-2020/ss-BBGA67B


Dedicated cameras will last for a good while yet. Mobiles have smaller
sensors which means worse signal-to-noise and therefore more
noise-reduction artefacts, and they don't have zoom lenses to allow you
to set any focal length you want within a range. The controls are
on-screen which is more difficult to find and operate than a dedicated
focus ring, zoom ring or buttons. I use a compact camera for the
convenience of size when I don't want to use my SLR, but a phone is no
substitute for the compact, let alone the SLR.


I *have* to use a small point and shoot camera for my job. I take
anywhere from 200-400 pictures at a time and then they have to be
transferred to my computer and used in a report. There is also a chance
that I could drop and break the camera while using it (it's happened),
so I have a backup with me at all times. A phone is simply out of the
question for my line of work.

I like CDs and DVDs for one very good reason: I've bought the right to
watch the film or listen to the music wheneverÂ*I want and as many times
as I want. Pay-to-listen and pay-to-view means you pay all over again
every time you want to watch/listen.


If you care about sound quality like I do CDs is the only way to go. I
didn't invest thousands of dollars in my stereo eqt to listen to crappy
MP3s that have to be downloaded. The same applies to DVDs/Blu-rays.
Streaming movies lack bass.

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Old December 16th 17, 09:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/16/2017 3:45 PM, Ron wrote:
On 12/13/2017 12:39 PM, NY wrote:
"Good Guy"
wrote in message news


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/30-things-that-might-be-obsolete-by-2020/ss-BBGA67B


Dedicated cameras will last for a good while yet. Mobiles have smaller
sensors which means worse signal-to-noise and therefore more
noise-reduction artefacts, and they don't have zoom lenses to allow
you to set any focal length you want within a range. The controls are
on-screen which is more difficult to find and operate than a dedicated
focus ring, zoom ring or buttons. I use a compact camera for the
convenience of size when I don't want to use my SLR, but a phone is no
substitute for the compact, let alone the SLR.


I *have* to use a small point and shoot camera for my job. I take
anywhere from 200-400 pictures at a time and then they have to be
transferred to my computer and used in a report. There is also a chance
that I could drop and break the camera while using it (it's happened),
so I have a backup with me at all times. A phone is simply out of the
question for my line of work.

I like CDs and DVDs for one very good reason: I've bought the right to
watch the film or listen to the music wheneverÂ*I want and as many
times as I want. Pay-to-listen and pay-to-view means you pay all over
again every time you want to watch/listen.


If you care about sound quality like I do CDs is the only way to go. I
didn't invest thousands of dollars in my stereo eqt to listen to crappy
MP3s that have to be downloaded. The same applies to DVDs/Blu-rays.
Streaming movies lack bass.


Oh, and I also need a dedicated GPS device for my job. I have to take
business calls while I'm driving.
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Old December 16th 17, 09:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/16/2017 03:49 PM, Ron wrote:
On 12/16/2017 3:45 PM, Ron wrote:
On 12/13/2017 12:39 PM, NY wrote:
"Good Guy"
wrote in message news

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/30-things-that-might-be-obsolete-by-2020/ss-BBGA67B


Dedicated cameras will last for a good while yet. Mobiles have
smaller sensors which means worse signal-to-noise and therefore more
noise-reduction artefacts, and they don't have zoom lenses to allow
you to set any focal length you want within a range. The controls are
on-screen which is more difficult to find and operate than a
dedicated focus ring, zoom ring or buttons. I use a compact camera
for the convenience of size when I don't want to use my SLR, but a
phone is no substitute for the compact, let alone the SLR.


I *have* to use a small point and shoot camera for my job. I take
anywhere from 200-400 pictures at a time and then they have to be
transferred to my computer and used in a report. There is also a
chance that I could drop and break the camera while using it (it's
happened), so I have a backup with me at all times. A phone is simply
out of the question for my line of work.

I like CDs and DVDs for one very good reason: I've bought the right
to watch the film or listen to the music wheneverÂ*I want and as many
times as I want. Pay-to-listen and pay-to-view means you pay all over
again every time you want to watch/listen.


If you care about sound quality like I do CDs is the only way to go. I
didn't invest thousands of dollars in my stereo eqt to listen to
crappy MP3s that have to be downloaded. The same applies to
DVDs/Blu-rays. Streaming movies lack bass.


Oh, and I also need a dedicated GPS device for my job. I have to take
business calls while I'm driving.

I like to take my gps with me so if a rental does not have one, which is
now getting to the where they all do, but... I have one.

I never buy movies on Verizon. I know they are mine to view all the
time, but what if I drop my verizon account? And move to Comcast for
example. How do I get the movies?
Al.
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Old December 16th 17, 11:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 16 Dec 2017, Ron wrote in
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If you care about sound quality like I do CDs is the only way to
go. I didn't invest thousands of dollars in my stereo eqt to
listen to crappy MP3s that have to be downloaded.


MP3s don't have to be downloaded, you can make them yourself. And you
don't have to listen to crappy MP3s, you can listen to high quality
ones that are all but indistinguishable from the source. There are also
lossless digital audio formats that are bit-for-bit identical to the
source.

The same applies to DVDs/Blu-rays. Streaming movies lack bass.


That may be true in some cases, but not in general. Any audio
degradation would be due to compression, which would be most audible in
the high frequencies. You are at the mercy of whoever and whatever
processes the audio, and they/it could attenuate the bass as well, but
I don't think it's general practice. Also, the audio on most DVDs is
compressed in similar ways to streaming audio. The processing can be
done well or poorly.
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Old December 17th 17, 02:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/16/2017 5:02 PM, Nil wrote:
On 16 Dec 2017, Ron wrote in
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If you care about sound quality like I do CDs is the only way to
go. I didn't invest thousands of dollars in my stereo eqt to
listen to crappy MP3s that have to be downloaded.


MP3s don't have to be downloaded, you can make them yourself. And you
don't have to listen to crappy MP3s, you can listen to high quality
ones that are all but indistinguishable from the source. There are also
lossless digital audio formats that are bit-for-bit identical to the
source.


Yeah, make them myself from my own CDs, otherwise, you have to download
them. On my stereo system *I* can tell the difference, no matter how
"high quality" are "lossless" they are,

The same applies to DVDs/Blu-rays. Streaming movies lack bass.


That may be true in some cases, but not in general. Any audio
degradation would be due to compression, which would be most audible in
the high frequencies. You are at the mercy of whoever and whatever
processes the audio, and they/it could attenuate the bass as well, but
I don't think it's general practice. Also, the audio on most DVDs is
compressed in similar ways to streaming audio. The processing can be
done well or poorly.


I have streamed movies and you couldn't even tell I have a subwoofer.
The same is true with my cable TV audio. DVD and Blu-ray is far superior
in the bass department.


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Old December 17th 17, 02:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:15:09 -0500, Ron wrote:

On 12/16/2017 5:02 PM, Nil wrote:
On 16 Dec 2017, Ron wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

If you care about sound quality like I do CDs is the only way to
go. I didn't invest thousands of dollars in my stereo eqt to
listen to crappy MP3s that have to be downloaded.


MP3s don't have to be downloaded, you can make them yourself. And you
don't have to listen to crappy MP3s, you can listen to high quality
ones that are all but indistinguishable from the source. There are also
lossless digital audio formats that are bit-for-bit identical to the
source.


Yeah, make them myself from my own CDs, otherwise, you have to download
them. On my stereo system *I* can tell the difference, no matter how
"high quality" are "lossless" they are,


Over the past decade, I've seen an awful lot of "I can hear the
difference" claims. Those who have submitted to blind listening tests
have fared no better than chance. Every time. I haven't seen a single
exception.

As for the lossless formats such as flac and a few others, you won't
hear a difference because there *is* no difference, so that's a
non-starter.

The same applies to DVDs/Blu-rays. Streaming movies lack bass.


That may be true in some cases, but not in general. Any audio
degradation would be due to compression, which would be most audible in
the high frequencies. You are at the mercy of whoever and whatever
processes the audio, and they/it could attenuate the bass as well, but
I don't think it's general practice. Also, the audio on most DVDs is
compressed in similar ways to streaming audio. The processing can be
done well or poorly.


I have streamed movies and you couldn't even tell I have a subwoofer.
The same is true with my cable TV audio. DVD and Blu-ray is far superior
in the bass department.


It's just as Nil said, your streaming experience depends to a large
degree on where you're streaming from. You might try putting your
DVD/BluRay movies on your own server so that you can stream locally.
That, at least, saves the discs from possible damage from handling and
lets you watch movie after movie without getting up from your chair, in
case that's important.

By the way, if you're still watching DVDs, I think you're not as serious
about video quality as you are about sound quality.

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Old December 17th 17, 02:44 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 12:34:43 -0700, Ken Springer
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Landlines- Only the stupid will give that up. Know what happens to
that smartphone when a cell tower and/or it's tower goes down? Gone,
baby, gone. No way to make an emergency phone call, nor reverse 911
calls. Landlines provide their own power. Plus, basic plans are cheaper.


Are you sure your landline is really a landline? I believe a lot of
them have changed to VOIP going to a local "box" in your neighborhood
where your old copper pair is now powered. Many so called "land
lines" are no longer provided by a copper pair going back to a central
office where they are powered by a ton of 48 volt batteries. Is that
"box" in your neighborhood backed up any better than cell sites?

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Old December 17th 17, 03:08 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/16/17 6:44 PM, Pat wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 12:34:43 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:


Landlines- Only the stupid will give that up. Know what happens to
that smartphone when a cell tower and/or it's tower goes down? Gone,
baby, gone. No way to make an emergency phone call, nor reverse 911
calls. Landlines provide their own power. Plus, basic plans are cheaper.


Are you sure your landline is really a landline? I believe a lot of
them have changed to VOIP going to a local "box" in your neighborhood
where your old copper pair is now powered. Many so called "land
lines" are no longer provided by a copper pair going back to a central
office where they are powered by a ton of 48 volt batteries. Is that
"box" in your neighborhood backed up any better than cell sites?


If it is VOIP, it's not by my option. And all of the wiring here is
copper. Probably 30 years old. When I moved here, my internet options
were..... just one, dial-up. Eventually, I learned about satellite,
and moved to that.

After a few years, the phone company laid fiber optics, so now I have DSL.

As all of the lines are buried, except for the pedestals where
connections are made, no worries about power. Only lightning, which in
this area is quite possible. A strike about a half mile away knocked us
all offline, both phone and internet. Took 3 days to get it all back up
and running.

Yes, I have a Tracfone. I could use it, if it worked. Know why it
doesn't work? No line of sight to the cell tower. G You have to be
in the right spot for them to work. So, there's a lot of pull outs in
the county, where the Sheriff's deputies and the State Patrol can stop
and have cell service.

I get tired of reading an article where the author thinks he/she knows
how things work everywhere, and you find out the person knows very little.


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Old December 17th 17, 03:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/16/17 7:08 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/16/17 6:44 PM, Pat wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 12:34:43 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote:


Landlines- Only the stupid will give that up. Know what happens to
that smartphone when a cell tower and/or it's tower goes down? Gone,
baby, gone. No way to make an emergency phone call, nor reverse 911
calls. Landlines provide their own power. Plus, basic plans are cheaper.


Are you sure your landline is really a landline? I believe a lot of
them have changed to VOIP going to a local "box" in your neighborhood
where your old copper pair is now powered. Many so called "land
lines" are no longer provided by a copper pair going back to a central
office where they are powered by a ton of 48 volt batteries. Is that
"box" in your neighborhood backed up any better than cell sites?


If it is VOIP, it's not by my option. And all of the wiring here is
copper. Probably 30 years old. When I moved here, my internet options
were..... just one, dial-up. Eventually, I learned about satellite,
and moved to that.

After a few years, the phone company laid fiber optics, so now I have DSL.

As all of the lines are buried, except for the pedestals where
connections are made, no worries about power. Only lightning, which in
this area is quite possible. A strike about a half mile away knocked us
all offline, both phone and internet. Took 3 days to get it all back up
and running.

Yes, I have a Tracfone. I could use it, if it worked. Know why it
doesn't work? No line of sight to the cell tower. G You have to be
in the right spot for them to work. So, there's a lot of pull outs in
the county, where the Sheriff's deputies and the State Patrol can stop
and have cell service.

I get tired of reading an article where the author thinks he/she knows
how things work everywhere, and you find out the person knows very little.



I forgot to add, there are spots in this area where the phone company
refuses to provide dial-up anymore, and none of the satellite providers
and hybrid providers can see their satellites or towers.

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Old December 17th 17, 03:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 16 Dec 2017, Ron wrote in
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Yeah, make them myself from my own CDs, otherwise, you have to
download them. On my stereo system *I* can tell the difference, no
matter how "high quality" are "lossless" they are,


It's silly to put quotes around lossless. There really is no loss of
audio data between CD or other sources and a lossless digital file. And
many blind tests have shown that even the most critical listeners can't
tell the difference between the highest-quality MP3 encoded music and
the original source, except certain highly dynamic music played loudly
in a critical listening environment. The differences, if they can be
detected at all, tend to be a slight smearing of the soundstage and
artifacts in very quiet passages like reverb tails fading into silence.

I have streamed movies and you couldn't even tell I have a
subwoofer. The same is true with my cable TV audio. DVD and
Blu-ray is far superior in the bass department.


Have you compared a stream of a movie side-by-side with a DVD? I'm
skeptical there is that great a difference. In my experience, the major
difference between them is the picture quality, not the sound. If the
bass truly drops out, that implies a phase or other problem with the
stream or with your setup. Blu-ray I don't know much about.

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Old December 17th 17, 03:53 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 16 Dec 2017, Ron wrote in
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I know that. I'm talking about MP3s that some people claim are
lossless and sound just as good as a CD.


Nobody with an ounce of sense has *ever* said that an MP3 is lossless.
That's a complete contradiction of terms: MP3 is lossy by definition.
Lossless formats include .FLAC, .ALAC, Monkey's Audio, .WAV, .AIFF, and
others.
 




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