Slow pictures context menu

"...winston" wrote in message ...

I read the original message, the subsequent op's attempt for a bit more
clarity and and all others messages. The posting newsreader was not
relevant nor did it impact the replies of others who attempted to help.

This forum and most of usenet will eventually wither away (as will most of
us who were weaned on nntp)...kill filing people (and informing them) for
their choice of newsreader only serves to ensure the demise will happen
sooner.

I agree wholeheartedly. It's a shame that people don't use Usenet as their
default discussion source anymore but the behaviour of people sort of
guarantees that. For the record, I prefer having the content on top, as is
suggested for Usenet netiquette, because it's a lot more logical. However,
anyone who regularly uses email will admit that people generally post the
new content at the very top.
--
Silver Slimer
GNU/Linux is communism

I don't know why you are all so agressive with people who try to solve a
problem asking for help in this specific forum. I can't speak english, for
me is tremendous effort to mantain a dialog with people who speak all at the
same time, trying to rule the territory and saying they'll do a killfile if
I'm not equal to their reality. I think you've got a tremendous power but
you don't know how to treate human beings.

"VanguardLH" escreveu na mensagem ...

Migrante on 04/01/2014 wrote:
after fixing top-posting style
after fixing improper [lack of] quoting by using a defective client

"Wolf Kirchmeir" ...

On 2014-01-04 10:08 AM, Migrante wrote:

I've a 5 second delay when I do first right click on picture file.
It seems menu has to load in first click. After menu load, second
click is normal.

What's your picture-viewer software? I do not use the one comes with
Windows, and I don't see your problem here.

Never mind. Guess no one knows.

Very true, especially since you choose to make it that way. No one here
is you at your computer to investigate your problem. If you are
unwilling to answer their questions then don't bother asking your
questions here. If you're not willing to help the helpers to remotely
investigate your computer through then why would you expect them to help
you? Were you expecting any joker from Usenet to have remote access to
your computer so they could look directly at it without your assistance?

The context menu is built from entries in the registry. Some programs
add their own entries to the desktop aka shell. Some even add their own
submenus (that THEY have to show since they don't come from the shell
extensions defined in the registry). Since you are unwilling to specify
what viewer software you installed and use for the images then no one
can identify what it does to the shell extension list that takes time on
the first scan through of the registry to build the context menu but is
in memory thereafter (except for the submenues that are still handled by
the handler aka program for a particular shell extension).

Hope you have fun fixing this yourself. I doubt it since it's apparent
you expect a God response from us to describe an immediate fix without
you aiding in the diagnosis of the problem. I won't be surprised you
also do not return to review replies to YOUR inquiry to see this reply.

On 1/04/2014, Migrante posted:
I don't know why you are all so agressive with people who try to
solve a problem asking for help in this specific forum. I can't speak
english, for me is tremendous effort to mantain a dialog with people
who speak all at the same time, trying to rule the territory and
saying they'll do a killfile if I'm not equal to their reality. I
think you've got a tremendous power but you don't know how to treate
human beings.

Obviously part of the problem is the language barrier, which you - and
we - can't solve. It is helpful that you have now told us about that.

But there is this: your problem could have many causes. People asked
for more information, but you seemed to get angry. They were *trying to
help*.

Another problem is your software for reading and replying to the
newsgroup. It is software which can make reading your replies
difficult. If you were willing to use different software, it would be
easier for us and for you. Again the suggestions were meant to be
helpful, and again, you seemed to get angry. When your replies seemed
to be not cooperative, some people decided not to cooperate. You are
not the only person who uses that software, and you are not the only
person that was asked to change their software.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

My system doesn't come with newsreader with sign which gets long and
unpleasent to read when you have instead of " ". Sometimes dialog
grow a little, I think it's easier for user to read/write on top. If you
write on top, readers don't have to scroll down to read previous posts.
Sorry if I made something wrong.

"Gene E. Bloch" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 1/04/2014, Migrante posted:
I don't know why you are all so agressive with people who try to solve a
problem asking for help in this specific forum. I can't speak english, for
me is tremendous effort to mantain a dialog with people who speak all at
the same time, trying to rule the territory and saying they'll do a
killfile if I'm not equal to their reality. I think you've got a
tremendous power but you don't know how to treate human beings.

Obviously part of the problem is the language barrier, which you - and
we - can't solve. It is helpful that you have now told us about that.

But there is this: your problem could have many causes. People asked
for more information, but you seemed to get angry. They were *trying to
help*.

Another problem is your software for reading and replying to the
newsgroup. It is software which can make reading your replies
difficult. If you were willing to use different software, it would be
easier for us and for you. Again the suggestions were meant to be
helpful, and again, you seemed to get angry. When your replies seemed
to be not cooperative, some people decided not to cooperate. You are
not the only person who uses that software, and you are not the only
person that was asked to change their software.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Thank you all for helping. The more ideas the best. Later I'll try to put it
on practice. I supose it's better to listen opinion from others than arguee
with you all.

"Silver Slimer" escreveu na mensagem ...

"...winston" wrote in message ...

I read the original message, the subsequent op's attempt for a bit more
clarity and and all others messages. The posting newsreader was not
relevant nor did it impact the replies of others who attempted to help.

This forum and most of usenet will eventually wither away (as will most of
us who were weaned on nntp)...kill filing people (and informing them) for
their choice of newsreader only serves to ensure the demise will happen
sooner.

I agree wholeheartedly. It's a shame that people don't use Usenet as their
default discussion source anymore but the behaviour of people sort of
guarantees that. For the record, I prefer having the content on top, as is
suggested for Usenet netiquette, because it's a lot more logical. However,
anyone who regularly uses email will admit that people generally post the
new content at the very top.
--
Silver Slimer
GNU/Linux is communism

On 1/04/2014, Migrante posted:
My system doesn't come with newsreader with sign which gets long
and unpleasent to read when you have instead of " ".
Sometimes dialog grow a little, I think it's easier for user to
read/write on top. If you write on top, readers don't have to scroll
down to read previous posts. Sorry if I made something wrong.

On the other hand, without the "" signs (which have various names in
newsreaders, but I call them quote marks), it can become impossible to
figure out who wrote what and when it was written. That is what I find
unpleasant to read. *Very* unpleasant. I will not try very hard to
decipher such a series.

As for top posting, I happen to agree with you. However, you and I are
in a very small minority, and many posters will complain about top
posting. What can be really bad, especially without quote marks "", is
when some posters top post and others bottom post in a single series.
Once several people have replied to a post, the sequence becomes
indecipherable.


--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 1/04/2014, Migrante posted:
Thank you all for helping. The more ideas the best. Later I'll try to
put it on practice. I supose it's better to listen opinion from
others than arguee with you all.

Yes :-)

Good luck with your problem.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 12:05:41 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 1/04/2014, Ken Blake, MVP posted:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 16:22:06 -0000, "Migrante"
wrote:

I don't know why should I use an old newsreader or non microsoft in
a windows 8 forum.
If you can't help me I'll wait for something. I've tried searching
help in other places but couldn't find answer.


You should use whatever you want. Far be it from me to tell you what
to do.

My point is a simple one: if you make it hard for us to read your
messages, many of us will killfile you, as I am about to do. Goodbye.

I don't killfile for mere etiquette violations or bad attitudes (OTOH,
pron or racism or insanity are other issues).


Nor I.


However, when someone's attitude is negative or when their reader
software makes it hard to figure out where their reponse is - and
especially when both are true - I sure won't put in a lot of effort for
the poster.


Exactly! And that's why I killfiled him.

"Gene E. Bloch" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 1/04/2014, Migrante posted:
My system doesn't come with newsreader with sign which gets long and
unpleasent to read when you have instead of " ". Sometimes
dialog grow a little, I think it's easier for user to read/write on top.
If you write on top, readers don't have to scroll down to read previous
posts. Sorry if I made something wrong.

"On the other hand, without the "" signs (which have various names in
newsreaders, but I call them quote marks), it can become impossible to
figure out who wrote what and when it was written. That is what I find
unpleasant to read. *Very* unpleasant. I will not try very hard to
decipher such a series.

As for top posting, I happen to agree with you. However, you and I are
in a very small minority, and many posters will complain about top
posting. What can be really bad, especially without quote marks "", is
when some posters top post and others bottom post in a single series.
Once several people have replied to a post, the sequence becomes
indecipherable."

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)


Only thing I see about that problem of writing on top or bottom is the
properties rights due to author of the words. Or eventually you are trying
to collect a dialog for something or people are trying to get the properties
of the dialogs. I think that is impossible to control because users have
liberty to add words on top or bottom. Once I'm not being payed to write,
genius users could be authoring weird texts. I don't care if there's people
who just copy and paste.

On 1/04/2014, Migrante posted:
"Gene E. Bloch" escreveu na mensagem
...

On 1/04/2014, Migrante posted:
My system doesn't come with newsreader with sign which gets long
and unpleasent to read when you have instead of " ".
Sometimes dialog grow a little, I think it's easier for user to
read/write on top. If you write on top, readers don't have to
scroll down to read previous posts. Sorry if I made something
wrong.

"On the other hand, without the "" signs (which have various names
in
newsreaders, but I call them quote marks), it can become impossible
to
figure out who wrote what and when it was written. That is what I
find
unpleasant to read. *Very* unpleasant. I will not try very hard to
decipher such a series.

As for top posting, I happen to agree with you. However, you and I
are
in a very small minority, and many posters will complain about top
posting. What can be really bad, especially without quote marks "",
is
when some posters top post and others bottom post in a single series.
Once several people have replied to a post, the sequence becomes
indecipherable."

Now you posted your reply under the signature delimiter, which is the
two hyphens and a space ("-- ") on a separate line. That makes your
reply get obscured in my newsreader and makes it disappear when I
reply...

See how tricky this all can get? All this would be less troublesome
with another newsreader. Really! But as far as I know, there is, sadly,
no useful book or web site to guide someone in all this. You just have
to learn by trial and error...

I don't understand what you meant about properties rights. Mostly, we
are concerned about helping people follow the sequence of posts and
replies, not about anyone's rights to anything...

And of course, you are correct - no one here has control over what
anyone else does. We hope that others try to cooperate, and we each
deal with uncooperative people in our individual ways.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 1/04/2014, Ken Blake, MVP posted:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 12:05:41 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
wrote:

On 1/04/2014, Ken Blake, MVP posted:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 16:22:06 -0000, "Migrante"
wrote:

I don't know why should I use an old newsreader or non microsoft
in a windows 8 forum.
If you can't help me I'll wait for something. I've tried searching
help in other places but couldn't find answer.


You should use whatever you want. Far be it from me to tell you
what to do.

My point is a simple one: if you make it hard for us to read your
messages, many of us will killfile you, as I am about to do.
Goodbye.

I don't killfile for mere etiquette violations or bad attitudes
(OTOH, pron or racism or insanity are other issues).


Nor I.


However, when someone's attitude is negative or when their reader
software makes it hard to figure out where their reponse is - and
especially when both are true - I sure won't put in a lot of effort
for the poster.


Exactly! And that's why I killfiled him.

ISTM that in your first remark you agreed with my stated approach to
killfiling and in your second remark you disagreed with it.

I'm puzzled.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:55:11 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
wrote in


On 1/04/2014, Migrante posted:
Thank you all for helping. The more ideas the best. Later I'll try to
put it on practice. I supose it's better to listen opinion from
others than arguee with you all.

Yes :-)

Good luck with your problem.

Hey Migrante: I think the best way to help you is for people to
kill-file you as I did long ago. The only way I get to see your
incompetent drivel is when someone quotes you.

Get yourself a decent news read and come back when you learn how to
use it.

Migrante on 04/01/2014 wrote:

I don't know why you are all so agressive with people who try to solve a
problem asking for help in this specific forum. I can't speak english, for
me is tremendous effort to mantain a dialog with people who speak all at the
same time, trying to rule the territory and saying they'll do a killfile if
I'm not equal to their reality. I think you've got a tremendous power but
you don't know how to treate human beings.

"VanguardLH" escreveu na mensagem ...

Migrante on 04/01/2014 wrote:
after fixing top-posting style
after fixing improper [lack of] quoting by using a defective client

"Wolf Kirchmeir" ...

On 2014-01-04 10:08 AM, Migrante wrote:

I've a 5 second delay when I do first right click on picture file.
It seems menu has to load in first click. After menu load, second
click is normal.

What's your picture-viewer software? I do not use the one comes with
Windows, and I don't see your problem here.

Never mind. Guess no one knows.

Very true, especially since you choose to make it that way. No one here
is you at your computer to investigate your problem. If you are
unwilling to answer their questions then don't bother asking your
questions here. If you're not willing to help the helpers to remotely
investigate your computer through then why would you expect them to help
you? Were you expecting any joker from Usenet to have remote access to
your computer so they could look directly at it without your assistance?

The context menu is built from entries in the registry. Some programs
add their own entries to the desktop aka shell. Some even add their own
submenus (that THEY have to show since they don't come from the shell
extensions defined in the registry). Since you are unwilling to specify
what viewer software you installed and use for the images then no one
can identify what it does to the shell extension list that takes time on
the first scan through of the registry to build the context menu but is
in memory thereafter (except for the submenues that are still handled by
the handler aka program for a particular shell extension).

Hope you have fun fixing this yourself. I doubt it since it's apparent
you expect a God response from us to describe an immediate fix without
you aiding in the diagnosis of the problem. I won't be surprised you
also do not return to review replies to YOUR inquiry to see this reply.

Wolf asked "What picture viewer software do you use?"
What was your response?
"Guess no one knows."

Instead of addressing the question to further diagnose the cause of the
problem, you issue a blanket statement against all current and potential
respondents. You weren't willing to continue. That's your choice but
then why bother coming here asking for help you don't want?

A user asks you to provide some more information. You don't just refuse
but declare that no one can address your problem. Because you are new
to Usenet aka newsgroups, you get upset when someone remarks on
netiquette expected in Usenet.

Migrante on 04/01/2014 wrote:
style for quoted content changed to bottom-post order in my reply
added quoting indentation missing from Migrante's replies

"Gene E. Bloch" ...

Your problem could have many causes. People asked for more
information, but you seemed to get angry. They were *trying to
help*.

Another problem is your software for reading and replying to the
newsgroup. It is software which can make reading your replies
difficult. If you were willing to use different software, it would be
easier for us and for you. Again the suggestions were meant to be
helpful, and again, you seemed to get angry. When your replies seemed
to be not cooperative, some people decided not to cooperate. You are
not the only person who uses that software, and you are not the only
person that was asked to change their software.

My system doesn't come with newsreader with sign which gets long and
unpleasent to read when you have instead of " ". Sometimes dialog
grow a little, I think it's easier for user to read/write on top. If you
write on top, readers don't have to scroll down to read previous posts.
Sorry if I made something wrong.

There has been a long-running debate over top- versus bottom-posting in
reply posts. It all started back when AOL decided to flood Usenet with
boobs from their forums that had no experience or clue on how to post in
Usenet. As a jibe against the influx of boobs, one Usenet provider (the
one that I am currently used) named their service after this effect of
ignorant influx: Eternal-September. Not only did it start with AOL
dumping its ignorant users into Usenet but every year there is another
influx in the fall with new incoming students hitting newsgroups when
they start college.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_september

Prior to the avalanche, bottom-posting was the de facto standard style
so users could read a thread in the same way they read a book. It
provided the context for the following reply. It is also expected that
you trim the quoted content so it provides enough context for your reply
without becoming cumbersome by providing too much unnecessary content.

Because of the influx of new users that were lazy and merely used
whatever style their NNTP client provided by default, namely Microsoft's
Outlook Express, the regulars got irritated with all the top posters.
This has been such a long-time irritant that debating it just results in
users flaming and insulting each other. Instead it's much easier to be
polite and simply maintaing the SAME POSTING ORDER in your reply. If
bottom-posting has already been established (i.e., you are not a first-
level respondent) then keep it in that order. If you are the first
respondent (you start a subthread) or the parent post to which you reply
was top-posted then maintain that order. That means the quoted content
in your reply should also match the posting order style that you choose.
For example, I prefer bottom-posting. That means I have to rearrange
any top-posters' replies so the quoted content is in bottom-posted
order. If you top-post then rearrange all the quoted content to match
your choice of style; else, you don't have a style, are being impolite,
and are definitely lazy in your replies. If you're lazy then don't
bother quoting the post(s) to which you reply.

Using a deficient NNTP client or Usenet gateway that doesn't properly
quote the parent content in your reply is not an excuse for omitting the
proper quoting. If your client does do it then *YOU* are supposed to do
it. Being lazy is not an excuse for submitting jumbled or messy posts.
WLM as of version 14 dropped proper quoting (prefixing the parent
content with "" the number of which represents the hierarchical level
of the quoted content). Microsoft not only abandoned Usenet when they
shutdown their NNTP servers (their newsgroups continue to survive,
however) but then they chose to deliberately alter their WLM program to
remove its quoting function that it *did* have before. They stripped
out or nullified the quoting function in WLM as of verson 14. They will
not be repairing this stupidity. They have no interest in Usenet
because it is a communications venue over which they have no control.
Monarchies abhor anarchists.

As to the language issue, I don't see that is relevant at all to your
replies. You seem to understand English more than well enough to
understand what is being written in the English replies. If you feel
uncomfortable or unsure about what you write in English, write it first
in your native language and then follow (in the same post) with your
translation to English. If English-only respondents aren't sure about
what you meant to say, they can go do their own translation of your
native language section to figure it out.

Hi, Migrante.

I also use the Windows Live Mail newsreader - and I also get complaints,
just as you are getting - and I probably will get flamed for this one, too.
But my approach is to focus on the content of the questions and answers,
rather than their format. My experience has been that anybody who cares
about the content can find it. Those who are less interested in
understanding and helping can easily find reasons to complain.

I've always preferred to top-post, with exceptions to fit the specific
thread. Sometimes it is more natural to put my response at the end. In
other conversations, it is better to copy the thread and insert my comments
into the appropriate spots.

WLM has several faults, and the failure to clearly indicate copied Replies
is probably the worst. To get around that, I often copy specific parts of
the previous messages and paste them into my Reply, manually inserting the
"" quote symbols to clearly indicate comments from others. If these quotes
are a paragraph or multiple lines, a single before the first quoted line
will cause WLM to insert the marks before each quoted line - if all internal
newline codes (CR) in the quoted paragraph are deleted. Like this:

Sometimes dialog grow a little, I think it's easier for user to read/write
on top. If you write on top, readers don't have to scroll down to read
previous posts.

I'm sorry that I can't help with your original problem. Sadly, it has been
so obscured by comments about the posting format that I can hardly remember
what your question was. :( And I must agree with others that the wording
of your Subject line and your original post left me wondering what you meant
to ask. (But I wish I could handle Portuguese - or any other language - as
well as you do in English.)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8.1 Pro


"Migrante" wrote in message ...

My system doesn't come with newsreader with sign which gets long and
unpleasent to read when you have instead of " ". Sometimes dialog
grow a little, I think it's easier for user to read/write on top. If you
write on top, readers don't have to scroll down to read previous posts.
Sorry if I made something wrong.

"Gene E. Bloch" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 1/04/2014, Migrante posted:
I don't know why you are all so agressive with people who try to solve a
problem asking for help in this specific forum. I can't speak english, for
me is tremendous effort to mantain a dialog with people who speak all at
the same time, trying to rule the territory and saying they'll do a
killfile if I'm not equal to their reality. I think you've got a
tremendous power but you don't know how to treate human beings.

Obviously part of the problem is the language barrier, which you - and
we - can't solve. It is helpful that you have now told us about that.

But there is this: your problem could have many causes. People asked
for more information, but you seemed to get angry. They were *trying to
help*.

Another problem is your software for reading and replying to the
newsgroup. It is software which can make reading your replies
difficult. If you were willing to use different software, it would be
easier for us and for you. Again the suggestions were meant to be
helpful, and again, you seemed to get angry. When your replies seemed
to be not cooperative, some people decided not to cooperate. You are
not the only person who uses that software, and you are not the only
person that was asked to change their software.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)