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Upgrade from XP to Win7
I have an Averatec 6100 laptop with 4 Gb ram, an 80 Gb hard disk with 50Gb free space using a Pentium 4 running at 3Gz used very occassionally. It came with and is currently running XP updated as best it can be. I have the original dvds came with system and have used them once years ago so unless they've gone "bad" I can recover from almost anything. To make it more usefull I figured I'd upgrade it to running Windows 7. I can't seem to do it. System refuses to boot to a USB stick. I've tried a few now using a Win7 iso and creating the USB stick with Rufus and system doesn't even seem to try although BIOS screen flashes by does inform you it found the device. I tried this method after problems as follows in next paragraph. It does boot using a CD/DVD (known from doing factory disk restore years ago). Problem is of 3 different Win7 disks I've now tried on every occassion system displays a black screen for inordinate time and then reboots reverting back to the installed XP. There is never any hint of what's going wrong. Any ideas to try. Note - Averatec is now out of business so BIOS updating etc. is not feasible given 100% of the sites are those "auto driver update" style sites and I NEVER use them EVER. |
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pjp wrote:
I have an Averatec 6100 laptop with 4 Gb ram, an 80 Gb hard disk with 50Gb free space using a Pentium 4 running at 3Gz used very occassionally. It came with and is currently running XP updated as best it can be. I have the original dvds came with system and have used them once years ago so unless they've gone "bad" I can recover from almost anything. To make it more usefull I figured I'd upgrade it to running Windows 7. I can't seem to do it. System refuses to boot to a USB stick. I've tried a few now using a Win7 iso and creating the USB stick with Rufus and system doesn't even seem to try although BIOS screen flashes by does inform you it found the device. I tried this method after problems as follows in next paragraph. It does boot using a CD/DVD (known from doing factory disk restore years ago). Problem is of 3 different Win7 disks I've now tried on every occassion system displays a black screen for inordinate time and then reboots reverting back to the installed XP. There is never any hint of what's going wrong. Any ideas to try. Note - Averatec is now out of business so BIOS updating etc. is not feasible given 100% of the sites are those "auto driver update" style sites and I NEVER use them EVER. trigem.com bankrupt 2012 (USA business branch). Parent company is trigem.co.kr . archive.org shows trigem.com web site was "flash monkey crap", so there's not much chance of scraping drivers off it. There is no ability to navigate. Your video card is ATI 9600, and chances are, if you loaded Win7, you'd be running in VESA driver mode. That means no Aero. Maybe Linux is a better option ? You might get a working browser that way. ******* To load the Win7 ISO onto a USB stick, you can use this. "Windows 7 USB DVD Download Tool (extracts from ISO9660 file and copies files to USB stick)" The first link is the README, the second link the download. http://web.archive.org/web/201201022...usbdvd_dwnTool http://web.archive.org/web/201110052...B-DVD-tool.exe Note that, the tool extracts a copy of bootsect.exe from the ISO itself. This is only a problem if you install USB-DVD-Tool on a 32-bit machine and process a 64-bit ISO. If you use a 32-bit machine to process a 32-bit ISO, you will not have a problem. On my 32-bit technician machine, I keep a 32-bit bootsect.exe in the same folder as the executable, and the program is smart enough to execute that, in lieu of extracting a copy right from the ISO file being processed. The bootsect.exe is used to make the USB flash bootable. The tool works with Vista/Win7/Win8.1/Win10. It would work at least well enough for a legacy BIOS or maybe a UEFI with CSM. I don't know if it processes the content well enough for pure UEFI mode. I usually offer it an 8GB flash stick, for cases where Win10 goes over the 4GB mark. On my 32-bit machine, I can process 32-bit or 64-bit OS ISO files for usage on the USB stick, and that's because I have my 32-bit bootsect.exe in the folder, to make the stick bootable. If your technician machine is 64-bit, there is never a problem. If your technician machine is 32-bit, you won't have a problem processing a 32-bit OS ISO. It's only 32-bit TM processing 64-bit ISO, which is a problem, and needs the bootsect fix. Paul |
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En el artículo ,
pjp escribió: I can't seem to do it Little surprise. You can't upgrade direct from XP to Win7. It can be done if you're determined, but is messy and time consuming, by upgrading to Vista, then from that to Win7. I've done it several times, it's more likely to succeed if you pare, then clean, the XP installation down as much as possible before starting - uninstall unwanted software, defrag, etc. You also need copies of Vista and 7 appropriate to the version of XP in use, i.e. XP Pro - Vista Business - Win7 Pro. And to observe the 'bitness' - XP32 - V32 - W732 or XP64 - V64 - W764. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ws_Vista_Upgra de_Paths.svg . System refuses to boot to a USB stick A lot of early BIOSes won't, even if they recognise the stick on POST. Use a DVD. -- (\_/) (='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick (")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West |
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Paul wrote:
pjp wrote: I have an Averatec 6100 laptop with 4 Gb ram, an 80 Gb hard disk with 50Gb free space using a Pentium 4 running at 3Gz used very occassionally. [...] Your video card is ATI 9600, and chances are, if you loaded Win7, you'd be running in VESA driver mode. That means no Aero. The ATI Radeon Mobility series is not supported in Windows 7. I managed to find a hacked Vista driver for my now semi-retired Thinkpad T41 (same generation, ATI Radeon Mobility 7500). With the manufacturer gone, it'll be nearly impossible to find drivers. Maybe Linux is a better option ? You might get a working browser that way. I second this approach. I recently installed Lubuntu 16.04 (Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, using the LXDE lightweight desktop) on my T41. It's much more responsive than Windows 7 ever was on that machine. The upside is that will probably find all the drivers it needs. If the upgrade to 17.04 goes well, I'll probably wipe the drive and do a fresh install. Start he https://www.ubuntu.com/ or http://lubuntu.me/ Good hunting. |
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Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , pjp escribió: I can't seem to do it A lot of early BIOSes won't, even if they recognise the stick on POST. Use a DVD. Now that's a good point. The OPs laptop is from 2004, and around the 2004-2005 era is when USB boot was just being added to some of the BIOS company products. In particular, boards with USB1.1 on the Southbridge, and a NEC USB2 chip added to allow USB2 ports, those didn't have USB boot code. It was some of the first "native" USB2 on the Southbridge, that got the USB BIOS page and USB hard drive emulation for boot. And as for DVD, I have a couple S370 boards, that won't boot from a DVD drive. They'll boot from a CD drive, but some bus command seems to be missing to allow an IDE DVD drive to work. The light on the drive never flashes. And that eliminates a lot of modern Linux OSes as direct install material. (You have to load the hard drive elsewhere, and bring it over to the machine to boot it.) Paul |
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"pjp" wrote
| It does boot using a CD/DVD (known from doing factory disk restore years | ago). Problem is of 3 different Win7 disks I've now tried on every | occassion system displays a black screen for inordinate time and then | reboots reverting back to the installed XP. | Are you sure the DVD drive is set as first boot drive and the apparent boot is not just a lag caused by putting a disk in the drive? If it's really booting from the disk then it should also boot from the disk when it reboots. You can check boot order in the BIOS to make sure you have the DVD drive first. Given that people seem to agree you won't find drivers, I wonder what the sense would be of going to Win7. And why install Linux just because it's currently XP, unless you just want to explore it. You said you thought you'd make the computer "a little more useful" with 7. Is there some specific software you need that won't run on XP? If not then I don't see the logic. XP will be more efficient and take up far less space than 7 on the same hardware. And nearly all hardware/software is still supported for XP. (I just bought a new printer to use with XP a few months ago.) The only thing I've found notable about Win7 over XP is the option to have 64-bit for graphic editing. |
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En el artículo , Paul
escribió: Now that's a good point. The OPs laptop is from 2004, and around the 2004-2005 era is when USB boot was just being added to some of the BIOS company products. I've got a board here (Gigabyte GA-MA69VM-S2, from about 2008, which I use for testing stuff) which has the following USB boot options: USB- FDD, USB-ZIP, USB-CDROM, USB-HDD. None of those options will boot a USB memory stick that works in everything else. It's just plain weird. I would try one of those USB memory sticks that has a 'proper' SSD controller and should look like a hard disc to the BIOS USB boot code (using the USB-HDD boot option) but don't have a spare one knocking around. -- (\_/) (='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick (")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West |
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On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 02:39:18 -0300, pjp
wrote: I have an Averatec 6100 laptop with 4 Gb ram, an 80 Gb hard disk with 50Gb free space using a Pentium 4 running at 3Gz used very occassionally. It came with and is currently running XP updated as best it can be. I have the original dvds came with system and have used them once years ago so unless they've gone "bad" I can recover from almost anything. To make it more usefull I figured I'd upgrade it to running Windows 7. An upgrade from XP to 7 is not possible. You have to do a clean installation (or a two-step upgrade--first to Vista, then to 7--but that doubles the risk of problems). |
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pjp wrote:
To make it more usefull I figured I'd upgrade it to running Windows 7. I would keep the XP and add a linux. Use the linux online because it has current browsers and is more secure; use the XP for non-online stuff if there isn't a linux equivalent you like. -- Mike Easter |
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On 02/08/2017 06:39, pjp wrote:
Any ideas to try. Did you try running the "setup.exe" from the USB or was this too much to try for a brain damaged person like you? There is no need to boot the machine to install the operating system. However, we are dealing with a demented nutter so nothing will ever work. -- With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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On 02/08/2017 17:39, Mike Easter wrote:
I would keep the XP and add a linux. Very good suggestion especially when we know that the poster has limited brain capacity to do anything useful on a Windows machine. Linux can mask the inadequacy by simply saying "I am on a Linux so it can't be done" Very good excuse indeed. -- With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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On 08/02/2017 09:38 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 02:39:18 -0300, pjp wrote: I have an Averatec 6100 laptop with 4 Gb ram, an 80 Gb hard disk with 50Gb free space using a Pentium 4 running at 3Gz used very occassionally. It came with and is currently running XP updated as best it can be. I have the original dvds came with system and have used them once years ago so unless they've gone "bad" I can recover from almost anything. To make it more usefull I figured I'd upgrade it to running Windows 7. An upgrade from XP to 7 is not possible. You have to do a clean installation (or a two-step upgrade--first to Vista, then to 7--but that doubles the risk of problems). Now that I'm retired and have plenty of time to waste, I've upgraded quite a few XP machines to Win7 going the "Visa first" route. It has always worked for me but I would not bother unless the machine as at least a 2ghz CPU and 2 -3 gigs of RAM That said, the OP seems to want to perform a clean install and cannot boot from the DVD. Either the DVD is defective or the DVD drive is defective is what I figure. |
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