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Defragmentation and RAM question
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 21:53:32 -0600, Rene Lamontagne
wrote: On 11/19/2017 8:43 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 11/19/2017 8:15 PM, Mickey wrote: Â*Â* To: Ken Blake Â*Â* Defragmentation and RAM question Â*Â* By: Ken Blake to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sun Nov 19 2017 12:02 pm Â* Â* Then you probably have more RAM than you need. Buying more would be a Â* waste of money. Â* Interestingly, Elder Scrolls Online requires a minimum of 18 GB to run.Maybe the future has arrived? Mick [0;40;37m [36mCentral Ontario Remote BBS [37mFidonet 1:249/307 [1;34mfsxNET 21:1/156 --- Synchronet 3.16c-Win32 NewsLink 1.103 Central Ontario Remote BBS - telnet://oxfordmi.synchro.net Â*18GB! could you tell us where you got that info or give us a link. Rene Never mind, I just researched it on Steam and the memory requirement for Elder Scrolls online is 4GB, Else barely anyone would be able to play it. Oh, it's a game? That's why I never heard of it. I know next to nothing about computer games and have no interest in them. |
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Defragmentation and RAM: My Dumb Question
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 17:43:38 -0500, Keith Nuttle wrote:
Why does a thumb drive or other solid state drive not need defragmenting? I can't tell you why, but take a look at this is a screenshot from Intel Solid-State Drive Toolbox: https://s18.postimg.org/vk60cfdsp/intel.ssd.toolbox.png See what it says about defragmeting SSDs? -- s|b |
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Defragmentation and RAM question
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:31:51 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
What's your external drive? For instance, I have a LaCie Rikiki which doesn't have any moving parts. Did you replace the HD with a SSD? Did I replace what HDD? There's no "traditional" hdd in the LaCie Rikiki. AFAIK there's no point in trying to defragment it, just like you wouldn't defragment a USB flash drive. Defragmenting an SSD would shorten it's life. Okay... -- s|b |
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Defragmentation and RAM question
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 21:53:51 +0100, "s|b" wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 09:37:47 +0000, Scott wrote: My external drive used for Acronis backups is taking about a day to defragment using Norton. 1. Is there any point in defragmenting such a disk at all if it is only a backup? What's your external drive? For instance, I have a LaCie Rikiki which doesn't have any moving parts. AFAIK there's no point in trying to defragment it, just like you wouldn't defragment a USB flash drive. WD My Book 4TB. |
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Defragmentation and RAM question
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:31:51 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar
wrote: On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 21:53:51 +0100, "s|b" wrote: On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 09:37:47 +0000, Scott wrote: My external drive used for Acronis backups is taking about a day to defragment using Norton. 1. Is there any point in defragmenting such a disk at all if it is only a backup? What's your external drive? For instance, I have a LaCie Rikiki which doesn't have any moving parts. Did you replace the HD with a SSD? Not exactly. I installed an SSD for programs and retained the HD for files. AFAIK there's no point in trying to defragment it, just like you wouldn't defragment a USB flash drive. Defragmenting an SSD would shorten it's life. I'm aware of that but my posting related to defragmenting the drive used for the back up, which is an external 4TB drive certainly not SSD. |
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Defragmentation and RAM question
To: Rene Lamontagne
Defragmentation and RAM question By: Rene Lamontagne to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sun Nov 19 2017 09:53 pm From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10 On 11/19/2017 8:43 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 11/19/2017 8:15 PM, Mickey wrote: Â*Â* To: Ken Blake Â*Â* Defragmentation and RAM question Â*Â* By: Ken Blake to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sun Nov 19 2017 12:02 pm Â* Â* Then you probably have more RAM than you need. Buying more would be Â* waste of money. Â* Interestingly, Elder Scrolls Online requires a minimum of 18 GB to run.Maybe the future has arrived? Mick [0;40;37m [36mCentral Ontario Remote BBS [37mFidonet 1:249/307 [1;34mfsxNET 21:1/156 --- Synchronet 3.16c-Win32 NewsLink 1.103 Central Ontario Remote BBS - telnet://oxfordmi.synchro.net Â*18GB! could you tell us where you got that info or give us a link. Rene Never mind, I just researched it on Steam and the memory requirement for Elder Scrolls online is 4GB, Else barely anyone would be able to play it. Rene --- Synchronet 3.16c-Win32 NewsLink 1.103 I couldn't find the article that I saw. I had a PC running windows 7 with 8 GB and the game was choppy with lousy graphics. Added 8 more and have no problem. Maybe this is just my personal isolated experience. Mick [0;40;37m [36mCentral Ontario Remote BBS [37mFidonet 1:249/307 [1;34mfsxNET 21:1/156 --- Synchronet 3.16c-Win32 NewsLink 1.103 Central Ontario Remote BBS - telnet://oxfordmi.synchro.net |
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Defragmentation and RAM question
To: Ken Blake
Defragmentation and RAM question By: Ken Blake to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Nov 20 2017 10:38 am Never mind, I just researched it on Steam and the memory requirement for Elder Scrolls online is 4GB, Else barely anyone would be able to play it. Oh, it's a game? That's why I never heard of it. I know next to nothing about computer games and have no interest in them. --- Synchronet 3.16c-Win32 NewsLink 1.103 Theres a whole big new world out there, if you look. There used to be a guy named Columbus who did just that. lol Mick [0;40;37m [36mCentral Ontario Remote BBS [37mFidonet 1:249/307 [1;34mfsxNET 21:1/156 --- Synchronet 3.16c-Win32 NewsLink 1.103 Central Ontario Remote BBS - telnet://oxfordmi.synchro.net |
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Defragmentation and RAM question
In article , lid
says... On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 09:37:47 +0000, Scott wrote: 2. Would doubling the RAM to 16GB make a significant difference? I've always been told: more RAM is interesting if you have a lot of programs open at the same time (or programs that use a lot of memory). If you want speed, invest in a better/faster CPU. If you want to know if more RAM would speed up your system, download Process Explorer from: https://live.sysinternals.com/procexp.exe manual at: https://live.sysinternals.com/procexp.chm (Sysinternals is now part of Microsoft, so these are safe downloads.) Open it (no install needed) and leave it minimised (not sure you even have to have it running). Near the end of your session, Click: View / System Information .... and go to the Memory tab, Look in the "Commit Charge" pane - this shows the amount of memory the system and programs have demanded. "Peak" is of particular interest. Compare it with the "Total" shown underneath in the "Physical Memory" pane. If Total is greater than Peak, then your system has always (during the current session) been able to meet all demands on memory without swapping out to disk (a very slow process, relatively). Adding more memory would have made no difference to the present session. Look now at Current Commit Charge. If that's less than Total Physical Memory, then your system doesn't have enough memory for what you're doing right now. If the difference is proportinately small, then it may not be too bad, but if you're constantly flicking between programs, then you're going to see a noticeable wait at some point. It can be instructive to open your machine, take half the memory out, and do this test again! {This reply doesn't seem to have made it to the thread after 24 hours, so I'm taking the liberty of re-sending it.} -- Phil, London |
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Defragmentation and RAM question
In article , logies@t-
online.de says... On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:33:07 -0000, Philip Herlihy wrote: Look now at Current Commit Charge. If that's less than Total Physical Memory, then your system doesn't have enough memory for what you're doing right now. Should read "more" not "less", shouldn`t it? Process Hacker 2 has some nice tray icons for these metrics: http://processhacker.sourceforge.net I prefer looking into the Windows Task Manager and look how much cache is used in RAM. The system will run faster if it can cache data to some GB of RAM (I assume). Regards M. Yes - my mistake! Oops! -- Phil, London |
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Defragmentation and RAM question
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:25:40 -0500, "Mickey"
-5we-this wrote: To: Ken Blake Defragmentation and RAM question By: Ken Blake to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Nov 20 2017 10:38 am Never mind, I just researched it on Steam and the memory requirement for Elder Scrolls online is 4GB, Else barely anyone would be able to play it. Oh, it's a game? That's why I never heard of it. I know next to nothing about computer games and have no interest in them. --- Synchronet 3.16c-Win32 NewsLink 1.103 Theres a whole big new world out there, if you look. There used to be a guy named Columbus who did just that. lol There are many "whole new worlds," as you put it, that are out there but of which I have no interest. We are all different and have different interests. |
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Defragmentation and RAM question
On 11/21/2017 10:05 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:25:40 -0500, "Mickey" -5we-this wrote: To: Ken Blake Defragmentation and RAM question By: Ken Blake to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Nov 20 2017 10:38 am Never mind, I just researched it on Steam and the memory requirement for Elder Scrolls online is 4GB, Else barely anyone would be able to play it. Oh, it's a game? That's why I never heard of it. I know next to nothing about computer games and have no interest in them. --- Synchronet 3.16c-Win32 NewsLink 1.103 Theres a whole big new world out there, if you look. There used to be a guy named Columbus who did just that. lol There are many "whole new worlds," as you put it, that are out there but of which I have no interest. We are all different and have different interests. There will be *a whole new world out there* If Trump and Kim-jong-un don't smarten up in a Hell of a hurry. Rene |
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Defragmentation and RAM question
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:40:49 +0000, Scott wrote:
What's your external drive? For instance, I have a LaCie Rikiki which doesn't have any moving parts. AFAIK there's no point in trying to defragment it, just like you wouldn't defragment a USB flash drive. WD My Book 4TB. Technical Specs nor Product Overview show what sort of hdd is inside. Maybe contact WD Support and ask them about defragmenting? -- s|b |
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Defragmentation and RAM question
s|b wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:40:49 +0000, Scott wrote: What's your external drive? For instance, I have a LaCie Rikiki which doesn't have any moving parts. AFAIK there's no point in trying to defragment it, just like you wouldn't defragment a USB flash drive. WD My Book 4TB. Technical Specs nor Product Overview show what sort of hdd is inside. Maybe contact WD Support and ask them about defragmenting? It's a mechanical drive. You can defragment it. Except in this case, the OP says there are a few big backup image files on it, in which case there is no perceptible performance improvement from defragmenting it. Paul |
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Defragmentation and RAM question
On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:40:16 -0000, Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article , lid says... On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 09:37:47 +0000, Scott wrote: 2. Would doubling the RAM to 16GB make a significant difference? I've always been told: more RAM is interesting if you have a lot of programs open at the same time (or programs that use a lot of memory). If you want speed, invest in a better/faster CPU. If you want to know if more RAM would speed up your system, download Process Explorer from: https://live.sysinternals.com/procexp.exe manual at: https://live.sysinternals.com/procexp.chm (Sysinternals is now part of Microsoft, so these are safe downloads.) ... Nice link, and explanation too! |
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