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  #31  
Old November 20th 17, 06:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Default Defragmentation and RAM question

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 21:53:32 -0600, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:


On 11/19/2017 8:43 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 11/19/2017 8:15 PM, Mickey wrote:

Â*Â* To: Ken Blake
Â*Â* Defragmentation and RAM question
Â*Â* By: Ken Blake to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sun Nov 19 2017 12:02 pm

Â*
Â* Then you probably have more RAM than you need. Buying more would be a
Â* waste of money.
Â*

Interestingly, Elder Scrolls Online requires a minimum of 18 GB to
run.Maybe
the future has arrived?

Mick


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Â*18GB! could you tell us where you got that info or give us a link.

Rene




Never mind, I just researched it on Steam and the memory requirement for
Elder Scrolls online is 4GB, Else barely anyone would be able to play it.



Oh, it's a game? That's why I never heard of it. I know next to
nothing about computer games and have no interest in them.
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  #32  
Old November 20th 17, 07:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
s|b
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Default Defragmentation and RAM: My Dumb Question

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 17:43:38 -0500, Keith Nuttle wrote:

Why does a thumb drive or other solid state drive not need defragmenting?


I can't tell you why, but take a look at this is a screenshot from Intel
Solid-State Drive Toolbox:

https://s18.postimg.org/vk60cfdsp/intel.ssd.toolbox.png

See what it says about defragmeting SSDs?

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  #33  
Old November 20th 17, 07:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Defragmentation and RAM question

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:31:51 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:

What's your external drive? For instance, I have a LaCie Rikiki which
doesn't have any moving parts.


Did you replace the HD with a SSD?


Did I replace what HDD? There's no "traditional" hdd in the LaCie
Rikiki.

AFAIK there's no point in trying to
defragment it, just like you wouldn't defragment a USB flash drive.


Defragmenting an SSD would shorten it's life.


Okay...

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  #34  
Old November 20th 17, 09:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 21:53:51 +0100, "s|b" wrote:

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 09:37:47 +0000, Scott wrote:

My external drive used for Acronis backups is taking about a day to
defragment using Norton.
1. Is there any point in defragmenting such a disk at all if it is
only a backup?


What's your external drive? For instance, I have a LaCie Rikiki which
doesn't have any moving parts. AFAIK there's no point in trying to
defragment it, just like you wouldn't defragment a USB flash drive.


WD My Book 4TB.
  #35  
Old November 20th 17, 09:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:31:51 +1100, Lucifer Morningstar
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 21:53:51 +0100, "s|b" wrote:

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 09:37:47 +0000, Scott wrote:

My external drive used for Acronis backups is taking about a day to
defragment using Norton.
1. Is there any point in defragmenting such a disk at all if it is
only a backup?


What's your external drive? For instance, I have a LaCie Rikiki which
doesn't have any moving parts.


Did you replace the HD with a SSD?


Not exactly. I installed an SSD for programs and retained the HD for
files.

AFAIK there's no point in trying to
defragment it, just like you wouldn't defragment a USB flash drive.


Defragmenting an SSD would shorten it's life.


I'm aware of that but my posting related to defragmenting the drive
used for the back up, which is an external 4TB drive certainly not
SSD.
  #36  
Old November 21st 17, 02:20 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Defragmentation and RAM question

To: Rene Lamontagne
Defragmentation and RAM question
By: Rene Lamontagne to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sun Nov 19 2017 09:53 pm

From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

On 11/19/2017 8:43 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 11/19/2017 8:15 PM, Mickey wrote:
Â*Â* To: Ken Blake
Â*Â* Defragmentation and RAM question
Â*Â* By: Ken Blake to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sun Nov 19 2017 12:02 pm

Â*
Â* Then you probably have more RAM than you need. Buying more would be
Â* waste of money.
Â*

Interestingly, Elder Scrolls Online requires a minimum of 18 GB to
run.Maybe
the future has arrived?

Mick


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Â*18GB! could you tell us where you got that info or give us a link.

Rene



Never mind, I just researched it on Steam and the memory requirement for
Elder Scrolls online is 4GB, Else barely anyone would be able to play it.

Rene

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I couldn't find the article that I saw. I had a PC running windows 7 with 8 GB
and the game was choppy with lousy graphics. Added 8 more and have no problem.
Maybe this is just my personal isolated experience.

Mick


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  #37  
Old November 21st 17, 02:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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To: Ken Blake
Defragmentation and RAM question
By: Ken Blake to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Nov 20 2017 10:38 am


Never mind, I just researched it on Steam and the memory requirement for
Elder Scrolls online is 4GB, Else barely anyone would be able to play it.



Oh, it's a game? That's why I never heard of it. I know next to
nothing about computer games and have no interest in them.
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Theres a whole big new world out there, if you look. There used to be a guy
named Columbus who did just that. lol

Mick


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  #38  
Old November 21st 17, 04:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Defragmentation and RAM question

In article , lid
says...

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 09:37:47 +0000, Scott wrote:

2. Would doubling the RAM to 16GB make a significant difference?


I've always been told: more RAM is interesting if you have a lot of
programs open at the same time (or programs that use a lot of memory).
If you want speed, invest in a better/faster CPU.


If you want to know if more RAM would speed up your system, download
Process Explorer from:
https://live.sysinternals.com/procexp.exe
manual at:
https://live.sysinternals.com/procexp.chm
(Sysinternals is now part of Microsoft, so these are safe downloads.)

Open it (no install needed) and leave it minimised (not sure you even
have to have it running). Near the end of your session, Click:
View / System Information
.... and go to the Memory tab,

Look in the "Commit Charge" pane - this shows the amount of memory the
system and programs have demanded. "Peak" is of particular interest.
Compare it with the "Total" shown underneath in the "Physical Memory"
pane. If Total is greater than Peak, then your system has always
(during the current session) been able to meet all demands on memory
without swapping out to disk (a very slow process, relatively). Adding
more memory would have made no difference to the present session.

Look now at Current Commit Charge. If that's less than Total Physical
Memory, then your system doesn't have enough memory for what you're
doing right now. If the difference is proportinately small, then it may
not be too bad, but if you're constantly flicking between programs, then
you're going to see a noticeable wait at some point.

It can be instructive to open your machine, take half the memory out,
and do this test again!

{This reply doesn't seem to have made it to the thread after 24 hours,
so I'm taking the liberty of re-sending it.}
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  #39  
Old November 21st 17, 04:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Philip Herlihy
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Default Defragmentation and RAM question

In article , logies@t-
online.de says...

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:33:07 -0000, Philip Herlihy
wrote:

Look now at Current Commit Charge. If that's less than Total Physical
Memory, then your system doesn't have enough memory for what you're
doing right now.


Should read "more" not "less", shouldn`t it? Process Hacker 2 has some
nice tray icons for these metrics:
http://processhacker.sourceforge.net

I prefer looking into the Windows Task Manager and look how much cache
is used in RAM. The system will run faster if it can cache data to
some GB of RAM (I assume).

Regards

M.


Yes - my mistake! Oops!

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  #41  
Old November 21st 17, 05:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Default Defragmentation and RAM question

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:25:40 -0500, "Mickey"
-5we-this wrote:


To: Ken Blake
Defragmentation and RAM question
By: Ken Blake to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Nov 20 2017 10:38 am



Never mind, I just researched it on Steam and the memory requirement for
Elder Scrolls online is 4GB, Else barely anyone would be able to play it.



Oh, it's a game? That's why I never heard of it. I know next to
nothing about computer games and have no interest in them.
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Theres a whole big new world out there, if you look. There used to be a guy
named Columbus who did just that. lol




There are many "whole new worlds," as you put it, that are out there
but of which I have no interest. We are all different and have
different interests.
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Old November 21st 17, 05:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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Default Defragmentation and RAM question

On 11/21/2017 10:05 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:25:40 -0500, "Mickey"
-5we-this wrote:

To: Ken Blake
Defragmentation and RAM question
By: Ken Blake to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Nov 20 2017 10:38 am


Never mind, I just researched it on Steam and the memory requirement for
Elder Scrolls online is 4GB, Else barely anyone would be able to play it.


Oh, it's a game? That's why I never heard of it. I know next to
nothing about computer games and have no interest in them.
--- Synchronet 3.16c-Win32 NewsLink 1.103


Theres a whole big new world out there, if you look. There used to be a guy
named Columbus who did just that. lol




There are many "whole new worlds," as you put it, that are out there
but of which I have no interest. We are all different and have
different interests.



There will be *a whole new world out there* If Trump and Kim-jong-un
don't smarten up in a Hell of a hurry.

Rene


  #43  
Old November 21st 17, 11:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Defragmentation and RAM question

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:40:49 +0000, Scott wrote:

What's your external drive? For instance, I have a LaCie Rikiki which
doesn't have any moving parts. AFAIK there's no point in trying to
defragment it, just like you wouldn't defragment a USB flash drive.


WD My Book 4TB.


Technical Specs nor Product Overview show what sort of hdd is inside.
Maybe contact WD Support and ask them about defragmenting?

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  #44  
Old November 22nd 17, 12:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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s|b wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:40:49 +0000, Scott wrote:

What's your external drive? For instance, I have a LaCie Rikiki which
doesn't have any moving parts. AFAIK there's no point in trying to
defragment it, just like you wouldn't defragment a USB flash drive.


WD My Book 4TB.


Technical Specs nor Product Overview show what sort of hdd is inside.
Maybe contact WD Support and ask them about defragmenting?


It's a mechanical drive. You can defragment it.

Except in this case, the OP says there are a few big
backup image files on it, in which case there is no
perceptible performance improvement from defragmenting it.

Paul
 




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