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  #16  
Old November 23rd 17, 02:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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-= Hawk =- wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:14:18 +0100, occam scribbled:

On 20/11/2017 18:29, KenW wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:39:27 -0600, Walter Boyd
wrote:

Will Windows eventually delete the files in the Windows.old directory or
does that need to be done manually?
It will remove them, may take up to 30 days.

Really? After almost 2 years since upgrade to Win 10, my 'Windows.old'
folder is still there. (Not much in it, but the folder has never been
removed)


Is this just for ascetics? It's not doing anything. Are THAT low on
storage space? It's not hurting anything so, honestly, why worry about
it?


The Windows Update "upgrade logic" won't bring in the
next version of OS, if Windows.old exists. That's why
they auto-remove the thing in the first place, so it
won't block the next release.

And that could limit the rate that the Insider Edition
updates itself (as if that matters :-) ).

For the Release Stream, it's not critical to remove it or
worry about it.

If you're on a 32GB tablet though, you'll probably want
to scoot that out the door pretty quick, so you have
storage space for data. It's a good thing the 32GB eMMC
is soldered right to the motherboard, so you can't
upgrade it. 64GB eMMC chips now exist, but they can't
help people stuck with 32GB tablets.

Paul
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  #17  
Old November 23rd 17, 11:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 23-Nov-17 8:12 PM, -= Hawk =- wrote:
Is this just for ascetics? It's not doing anything. Are THAT low on
storage space? It's not hurting anything so, honestly, why worry about
it?

Well, I for one am glad for stumbling across this thread. Removing the
..old files fixed the "Slow Boot Time" issue as mentioned in my post Sun
Nov 19. The files did not remove automatically within 30 days let alone
10 days; Ergo manual removal improved system performance on my setup,
the boot time is less than 1 minute. Go figure!
  #18  
Old November 24th 17, 02:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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WayFarer wrote:

On 23-Nov-17 8:12 PM, -= Hawk =- wrote:
Is this just for ascetics? It's not doing anything. Are THAT low on
storage space? It's not hurting anything so, honestly, why worry about
it?

Well, I for one am glad for stumbling across this thread. Removing the
.old files fixed the "Slow Boot Time" issue as mentioned in my post Sun
Nov 19. The files did not remove automatically within 30 days let alone
10 days; Ergo manual removal improved system performance on my setup,
the boot time is less than 1 minute. Go figure!


Thanks to this thread I went ahead and deleted mine too.

Now my monitor dances around & sounds like it's burping. It's a 27" HD LED
screen and the speakers aren't hooked up, so I'm pretty sure nobody is
hacking me. You can never tell what those damn Russians are up nowadays.

I should have saved a copy of the folder to my data partition so I could
simply put it back if there were any complications, but dammit, I listened
to the old guys in this NG. My bad.

Happy Thanksgiving. Be grateful we're not eating goats for the holiday.

  #19  
Old November 24th 17, 06:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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-= Hawk =- wrote:
On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:30:38 +0700, WayFarer
scribbled:

On 23-Nov-17 8:12 PM, -= Hawk =- wrote:
Is this just for ascetics? It's not doing anything. Are THAT low on
storage space? It's not hurting anything so, honestly, why worry about
it?

Well, I for one am glad for stumbling across this thread. Removing the
.old files fixed the "Slow Boot Time" issue as mentioned in my post Sun
Nov 19. The files did not remove automatically within 30 days let alone
10 days; Ergo manual removal improved system performance on my setup,
the boot time is less than 1 minute. Go figure!


Not buying it. Placebo effect.


If the machine decides to rebuild the search index
from scratch, it doubles the time to do that.

It also increases the time it takes MSMPENG to scan
the entire partition for malware. MSMPENG scans the system
folder at startup. But I have caught MSMPENG (Defender)
scanning the whole partition too. It doesn't do that
every day.

Neither of those increase the amount of CPU they use
above a certain level (maybe 25%). But with the Windows.old
files sitting there, some of their operations take twice as long.

The Search Index is automatically built from scratch, every
three months. The Defender system scan ? I don't know what
the frequency of full scans is.

*******

The "green bar" in your Downloads folder, I used to think
it was a permissions scanning issue. Now I believe it's
a thumbnail generator scanning the entire home directory
for kicks. And it happens quite frequently too (feels a
need to rescan during a session). It wasn't always like that.
I go out and make coffee when that starts, so I won't have
to stare at the green bar. I'm going to have to switch
to decaf.

*******

To study a slow boot, you really need to do ETW tracing.
Which is a lot of work, for dubious benefit (as the trace
hardly provides all the info needed). I've tried
some of these techniques for fun (BootVis, Xperf, Xbootmgr,
WPR, WPA). BootVis was the only decent one, intended for
end users, but it was only for WinXP up to SP3 or so.
I tested it on SP3 and it worked.

Paul
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Old November 24th 17, 04:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 22/11/2017 13:07, Paul wrote:
occam wrote:
On 20/11/2017 18:29, KenW wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:39:27 -0600, Walter Boyd
wrote:

Will Windows eventually delete the files in the Windows.old
directory or does that need to be done manually?
It will remove them, may take up to 30 days.


Really? After almost 2 years since upgrade to Win 10, my 'Windows.old'
folder is still there. (Not much in it, but the folder has never been
removed)


Try this method.

1) Left-click the Start orb and select the Settings icon.

2) In settings is a search box at the top.
Â*Â* Enter the word "Storage" in the search box.

3) The first item in the returned list is "Storage". Click it.

4) When the Storage settings subsection opens, there is
Â*Â* a "Storage sense" section, set to "Off". You don't
Â*Â* need to change that slider, it's fine as is.

Â*Â* Just below it, is "Change how we free up space".
Â*Â* Click that blue link, for a one-shot cleanup.

5) Now, a neat thing happened. To test this, I created
Â*Â* a "fake" Windows.old with two text files in it. Normally,
Â*Â* the cleanup methods won't touch that. However in this
Â*Â* case, the presence of Windows.old caused a new box
Â*Â* to appear near the bottom.

Â*Â* "Delete previous versions of Windows".

Â*Â* So it thinks my fake, is a real one.

Â*Â* Tick that box, and untick the others, so we can test
Â*Â* just that feature.

6) Click the "Clean now" at the bottom.

I tested that, and it removed my fake Windows.old :-)


Thanks Paul. I followed your instructions to (4). "Storage Sense" was
already at 'off'. Some cleaning, however I still have Windows.old(1) in
my directory. It only has one directory 'Users' (main user)
Favorites Links. When I manually try and delete the contents, it
claims those files are not there, or missing.


(My machine has had two different 'upgrades' on its way to Win 10. Win 8
Win 8.1 Win 10. I'm not sure if that is the cause of the blockage)

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Old November 24th 17, 04:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 23/11/2017 14:12, -= Hawk =- wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:14:18 +0100, occam scribbled:

On 20/11/2017 18:29, KenW wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:39:27 -0600, Walter Boyd
wrote:

Will Windows eventually delete the files in the Windows.old directory or
does that need to be done manually?

It will remove them, may take up to 30 days.


Really? After almost 2 years since upgrade to Win 10, my 'Windows.old'
folder is still there. (Not much in it, but the folder has never been
removed)


Is this just for ascetics? It's not doing anything. Are THAT low on
storage space? It's not hurting anything so, honestly, why worry about
it?


If by 'ascetics' you mean 'aesthetics' - yes, that is part of the
reason. Why have an empty directory hanging around? However it is also
pointing to a couple of files which apparently are corrupted and cannot
be deleted. Manual delete gives an error. See screen he

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ur7g1526k1...ssage.png?dl=0
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Old November 25th 17, 12:26 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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occam wrote:
On 22/11/2017 13:07, Paul wrote:
occam wrote:
On 20/11/2017 18:29, KenW wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:39:27 -0600, Walter Boyd
wrote:

Will Windows eventually delete the files in the Windows.old
directory or does that need to be done manually?
It will remove them, may take up to 30 days.

Really? After almost 2 years since upgrade to Win 10, my 'Windows.old'
folder is still there. (Not much in it, but the folder has never been
removed)

Try this method.

1) Left-click the Start orb and select the Settings icon.

2) In settings is a search box at the top.
Enter the word "Storage" in the search box.

3) The first item in the returned list is "Storage". Click it.

4) When the Storage settings subsection opens, there is
a "Storage sense" section, set to "Off". You don't
need to change that slider, it's fine as is.

Just below it, is "Change how we free up space".
Click that blue link, for a one-shot cleanup.

5) Now, a neat thing happened. To test this, I created
a "fake" Windows.old with two text files in it. Normally,
the cleanup methods won't touch that. However in this
case, the presence of Windows.old caused a new box
to appear near the bottom.

"Delete previous versions of Windows".

So it thinks my fake, is a real one.

Tick that box, and untick the others, so we can test
just that feature.

6) Click the "Clean now" at the bottom.

I tested that, and it removed my fake Windows.old :-)


Thanks Paul. I followed your instructions to (4). "Storage Sense" was
already at 'off'. Some cleaning, however I still have Windows.old(1) in
my directory. It only has one directory 'Users' (main user)
Favorites Links. When I manually try and delete the contents, it
claims those files are not there, or missing.


(My machine has had two different 'upgrades' on its way to Win 10. Win 8
Win 8.1 Win 10. I'm not sure if that is the cause of the blockage)


That item will be a Junction Point. That's the same flavor of item
stuck on my machine that I tried to remove the Windows.old manually.

Are you sure you got to this page and tried it here ?

https://s7.postimg.org/q47k01a9n/storage_panel.gif

Paul
 




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