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-= Hawk =- wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:14:18 +0100, occam scribbled: On 20/11/2017 18:29, KenW wrote: On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:39:27 -0600, Walter Boyd wrote: Will Windows eventually delete the files in the Windows.old directory or does that need to be done manually? It will remove them, may take up to 30 days. Really? After almost 2 years since upgrade to Win 10, my 'Windows.old' folder is still there. (Not much in it, but the folder has never been removed) Is this just for ascetics? It's not doing anything. Are THAT low on storage space? It's not hurting anything so, honestly, why worry about it? The Windows Update "upgrade logic" won't bring in the next version of OS, if Windows.old exists. That's why they auto-remove the thing in the first place, so it won't block the next release. And that could limit the rate that the Insider Edition updates itself (as if that matters :-) ). For the Release Stream, it's not critical to remove it or worry about it. If you're on a 32GB tablet though, you'll probably want to scoot that out the door pretty quick, so you have storage space for data. It's a good thing the 32GB eMMC is soldered right to the motherboard, so you can't upgrade it. 64GB eMMC chips now exist, but they can't help people stuck with 32GB tablets. Paul |
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On 23-Nov-17 8:12 PM, -= Hawk =- wrote:
Is this just for ascetics? It's not doing anything. Are THAT low on storage space? It's not hurting anything so, honestly, why worry about it? Well, I for one am glad for stumbling across this thread. Removing the ..old files fixed the "Slow Boot Time" issue as mentioned in my post Sun Nov 19. The files did not remove automatically within 30 days let alone 10 days; Ergo manual removal improved system performance on my setup, the boot time is less than 1 minute. Go figure! |
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WayFarer wrote:
On 23-Nov-17 8:12 PM, -= Hawk =- wrote: Is this just for ascetics? It's not doing anything. Are THAT low on storage space? It's not hurting anything so, honestly, why worry about it? Well, I for one am glad for stumbling across this thread. Removing the .old files fixed the "Slow Boot Time" issue as mentioned in my post Sun Nov 19. The files did not remove automatically within 30 days let alone 10 days; Ergo manual removal improved system performance on my setup, the boot time is less than 1 minute. Go figure! Thanks to this thread I went ahead and deleted mine too. Now my monitor dances around & sounds like it's burping. It's a 27" HD LED screen and the speakers aren't hooked up, so I'm pretty sure nobody is hacking me. You can never tell what those damn Russians are up nowadays. I should have saved a copy of the folder to my data partition so I could simply put it back if there were any complications, but dammit, I listened to the old guys in this NG. My bad. Happy Thanksgiving. Be grateful we're not eating goats for the holiday. |
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-= Hawk =- wrote:
On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 05:30:38 +0700, WayFarer scribbled: On 23-Nov-17 8:12 PM, -= Hawk =- wrote: Is this just for ascetics? It's not doing anything. Are THAT low on storage space? It's not hurting anything so, honestly, why worry about it? Well, I for one am glad for stumbling across this thread. Removing the .old files fixed the "Slow Boot Time" issue as mentioned in my post Sun Nov 19. The files did not remove automatically within 30 days let alone 10 days; Ergo manual removal improved system performance on my setup, the boot time is less than 1 minute. Go figure! Not buying it. Placebo effect. If the machine decides to rebuild the search index from scratch, it doubles the time to do that. It also increases the time it takes MSMPENG to scan the entire partition for malware. MSMPENG scans the system folder at startup. But I have caught MSMPENG (Defender) scanning the whole partition too. It doesn't do that every day. Neither of those increase the amount of CPU they use above a certain level (maybe 25%). But with the Windows.old files sitting there, some of their operations take twice as long. The Search Index is automatically built from scratch, every three months. The Defender system scan ? I don't know what the frequency of full scans is. ******* The "green bar" in your Downloads folder, I used to think it was a permissions scanning issue. Now I believe it's a thumbnail generator scanning the entire home directory for kicks. And it happens quite frequently too (feels a need to rescan during a session). It wasn't always like that. I go out and make coffee when that starts, so I won't have to stare at the green bar. I'm going to have to switch to decaf. ******* To study a slow boot, you really need to do ETW tracing. Which is a lot of work, for dubious benefit (as the trace hardly provides all the info needed). I've tried some of these techniques for fun (BootVis, Xperf, Xbootmgr, WPR, WPA). BootVis was the only decent one, intended for end users, but it was only for WinXP up to SP3 or so. I tested it on SP3 and it worked. Paul |
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On 22/11/2017 13:07, Paul wrote:
occam wrote: On 20/11/2017 18:29, KenW wrote: On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:39:27 -0600, Walter Boyd wrote: Will Windows eventually delete the files in the Windows.old directory or does that need to be done manually? It will remove them, may take up to 30 days. Really? After almost 2 years since upgrade to Win 10, my 'Windows.old' folder is still there. (Not much in it, but the folder has never been removed) Try this method. 1) Left-click the Start orb and select the Settings icon. 2) In settings is a search box at the top. Â*Â* Enter the word "Storage" in the search box. 3) The first item in the returned list is "Storage". Click it. 4) When the Storage settings subsection opens, there is Â*Â* a "Storage sense" section, set to "Off". You don't Â*Â* need to change that slider, it's fine as is. Â*Â* Just below it, is "Change how we free up space". Â*Â* Click that blue link, for a one-shot cleanup. 5) Now, a neat thing happened. To test this, I created Â*Â* a "fake" Windows.old with two text files in it. Normally, Â*Â* the cleanup methods won't touch that. However in this Â*Â* case, the presence of Windows.old caused a new box Â*Â* to appear near the bottom. Â*Â* "Delete previous versions of Windows". Â*Â* So it thinks my fake, is a real one. Â*Â* Tick that box, and untick the others, so we can test Â*Â* just that feature. 6) Click the "Clean now" at the bottom. I tested that, and it removed my fake Windows.old :-) Thanks Paul. I followed your instructions to (4). "Storage Sense" was already at 'off'. Some cleaning, however I still have Windows.old(1) in my directory. It only has one directory 'Users' (main user) Favorites Links. When I manually try and delete the contents, it claims those files are not there, or missing. (My machine has had two different 'upgrades' on its way to Win 10. Win 8 Win 8.1 Win 10. I'm not sure if that is the cause of the blockage) |
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On 23/11/2017 14:12, -= Hawk =- wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:14:18 +0100, occam scribbled: On 20/11/2017 18:29, KenW wrote: On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:39:27 -0600, Walter Boyd wrote: Will Windows eventually delete the files in the Windows.old directory or does that need to be done manually? It will remove them, may take up to 30 days. Really? After almost 2 years since upgrade to Win 10, my 'Windows.old' folder is still there. (Not much in it, but the folder has never been removed) Is this just for ascetics? It's not doing anything. Are THAT low on storage space? It's not hurting anything so, honestly, why worry about it? If by 'ascetics' you mean 'aesthetics' - yes, that is part of the reason. Why have an empty directory hanging around? However it is also pointing to a couple of files which apparently are corrupted and cannot be deleted. Manual delete gives an error. See screen he https://www.dropbox.com/s/ur7g1526k1...ssage.png?dl=0 |
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occam wrote:
On 22/11/2017 13:07, Paul wrote: occam wrote: On 20/11/2017 18:29, KenW wrote: On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:39:27 -0600, Walter Boyd wrote: Will Windows eventually delete the files in the Windows.old directory or does that need to be done manually? It will remove them, may take up to 30 days. Really? After almost 2 years since upgrade to Win 10, my 'Windows.old' folder is still there. (Not much in it, but the folder has never been removed) Try this method. 1) Left-click the Start orb and select the Settings icon. 2) In settings is a search box at the top. Enter the word "Storage" in the search box. 3) The first item in the returned list is "Storage". Click it. 4) When the Storage settings subsection opens, there is a "Storage sense" section, set to "Off". You don't need to change that slider, it's fine as is. Just below it, is "Change how we free up space". Click that blue link, for a one-shot cleanup. 5) Now, a neat thing happened. To test this, I created a "fake" Windows.old with two text files in it. Normally, the cleanup methods won't touch that. However in this case, the presence of Windows.old caused a new box to appear near the bottom. "Delete previous versions of Windows". So it thinks my fake, is a real one. Tick that box, and untick the others, so we can test just that feature. 6) Click the "Clean now" at the bottom. I tested that, and it removed my fake Windows.old :-) Thanks Paul. I followed your instructions to (4). "Storage Sense" was already at 'off'. Some cleaning, however I still have Windows.old(1) in my directory. It only has one directory 'Users' (main user) Favorites Links. When I manually try and delete the contents, it claims those files are not there, or missing. (My machine has had two different 'upgrades' on its way to Win 10. Win 8 Win 8.1 Win 10. I'm not sure if that is the cause of the blockage) That item will be a Junction Point. That's the same flavor of item stuck on my machine that I tried to remove the Windows.old manually. Are you sure you got to this page and tried it here ? https://s7.postimg.org/q47k01a9n/storage_panel.gif Paul |
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