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Hard Networking Problem, Need a MVP's help. ICS over Wireless netw
Here is the situation. I'm trying to share a aol dial internet connection
between 2 Computers(both have winxp home). They are stuck with dial up, and they have a another computer ~75 feet away with a fairly good line of sight that they want to share the connection with. Computer [A] has aol dialup and a networking card. Computer [b] has only a networking card. Is it possible to share this dialup connection over a WIRELESS network? I checked under set up new connection and it seems that you can set one up using the host computer as a gateway. What I would idealy like to do is to buy a router and then set up a wireless network sort of the way you normally would wif broadband. (except that you use Windows Internet Connection Sharing, that is the key to making this work) So just plug PC [A] into wireless router, and then stick a Wireless networking card in PC [b]. IS THERE ANY REASON THAT THIS WOULD NOT WORK? As in: PC [A] -----ethernet cable---- Router ---Wireless 54 mbps-- PC [b] PC [A] (has aol dialup) (has NIC) PC [b] (Would have a Wireless networking card) I have heard of people having problems with Internet Connection Sharing in the past, and I want to make sure that this would really work reliably. Anyone have experience with this kind of thing? With ICS? As Long as the wireless network will work (using Internet Connection Sharing) this is what I want to use. However if theres reason to belive that it won't work reliably, then I need to find another way. My other ideas a Run long (100ft) crossover cable between the NICs but this involes putting cable in ceilings and walls and stuff, and still uses ICS which may not be reliable. Get a spliter on the phone jack by PC [A] and Run long (100ft) phone cord down to PC [b] Again this involves going through walls but this would avoids using ICS. Also to clarify The 2 Computers DO NOT have to be on the internet at the same time. That would be really slow anyway with dialup, they just need to be able to access the aol dial up at seperate times. ( The easy way out of all this is to get a phone jack installed by computer [b] but that does not seem to be a option right now) If you have any ideas please post, this is getting quite complicated. |
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Hard Networking Problem, Need a MVP's help. ICS over Wireless netw
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:29:03 -0700, "darklink"
wrote: Here is the situation. I'm trying to share a aol dial internet connection between 2 Computers(both have winxp home). They are stuck with dial up, and they have a another computer ~75 feet away with a fairly good line of sight that they want to share the connection with. darklink, so that's three computers. Computer [A] has aol dialup and a networking card. Computer [b] has only a networking card. Is it possible to share this dialup connection over a WIRELESS network? I checked under set up new connection and it seems that you can set one up using the host computer as a gateway. What happened to the third computer now? I'm confused. Hans-Georg -- No mail, please. |
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Hard Networking Problem, Need a MVP's help. ICS over Wireless netw
"darklink" wrote in message ... .... So just plug PC [A] into wireless router, and then stick a Wireless networking card in PC [b]. IS THERE ANY REASON THAT THIS WOULD NOT WORK? As in: PC [A] -----ethernet cable---- Router ---Wireless 54 mbps-- PC [b] Yes, I think this would work for a network. I'm assuming PC [C] (the disappearing third computer) is the one close to PC [A], and PC [C] would have a cable going to the router. Are you in a house or apartment bldg? One problem you could encounter is that the distance is too great for the wireless connecton via router -- in my limited experience things get dicey at that range (you did mention you were going through walls although you also talked "line of sight"? If [b] was "line of sight" and you could see through walls, you'd be Superman. Hmmmm. For instance, I can see the wireless routers next door in my apartment, but three apartments away is problematic. The apartments are 15 to 20 feet in width, so three apartments away would be maybe 60 feet. If the signal is too weak, then you have to explore antennas that can give some signal gain, and your wireless NIC in [b] as well as router have to be such that you can easily adapt a third-party antenna, such as a Hawking. Would it work for ICS? It's been a while since I've gotten ICS to work with two computers, and I've never tried with three computers. Given that caveat, I don't see why not. Of course, people get into some tough troubleshooting situations with networks. You don't need 802.11g with 54 mbps unless you think you may need the wireless for a broadband connection in the future -- the slower and cheaper 802.11b should be ok -- maybe you could find some used 802.11b gear that's discounted because of the faster 802.11g. Run long (100ft) crossover cable between the NICs You don't want to use a crossover cable because there are three computers. You need a hub or router for three computers. Get a spliter on the phone jack by PC [A] This is the best idea, although I think you realize it's difficult to implement in your situation. Besides, it's too low tech! How about considering a network over the electrical lines (assuming you're in a house)? I've never set one up, but I was able to quickly find a link: http://www.howstuffworks.com/power-network.htm http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...¬Found=true Another type of "wireless" There is another type of networking method, which makes use of either the house phone lines or the house electrical power lines. So, this type is almost wireless. For phone line networking, each pc must have a Phone Networking card (~$15 each), or a USB adapter (~$50). Router is optional. Each pc is then connected to the house phone wall jacks of the same phone number with regular phone cords. The house phone and the Phone Network operate independently and will not interfere with each other. For Electrical Power Line networking, installing kits are available at about $150 for networking 2 pcs. Networking with phone line or electrical line can be used for either broadband or dialup internet connection sharing without sacrificing connection speed. Since networking with Electrical Power Line costs about the same as the true wireless networking and does not offer any advantages over the latter, there is no attractive reason to choose this method for networking. Networking with phone networking cards, however, does offer the advantage of lower cost over the true wireless networking. For as little as $30, a phone network can be built. Ken |
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Hard Networking Problem, Need a MVP's help. ICS over Wireless
No, its just 2 computers. I was saying i could turn on ICS on one of them to
share the connection. Ill post more later |
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Hard Networking Problem, Need a MVP's help. ICS over Wireless
First of all Let me Thank you for your post. I'm not sure where i went wrong
but i need to make clear THERE IS NO THIRD COMPUTER. ONLY TWO (2) COMPUTERS. somehow i confused people so let me say it again. ONLY TWO computers. NO computer [C]. I'm not sure where that idea came from. This is in a small business, and the computer needing to be networked DO HAVE A VERY GOOD LINE OF SIGHT. There are not really any walls in the way. ( When i talked about running through walls i was refering to if I ran a Physical cross over cable) One is in the front/main area, and the other is down the about ~75 feet hall, but they basicall have a great line of sight, unless the door is closed to the room of crourse, but that will not matter much. SO..... -Running a Cross Over cable would work but it would involve using ICS which i have gathered is dodgy -Setting up a Wireless Network should work? I think it would but it also uses ICS and people have had trouble running ICS through a router. But this is the basically the eaist option. I dont wanna have to run cross over cable through walls and then find out that ICS doesnt even work right. |
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Hard Networking Problem, Need a MVP's help. ICS over Wireless
First of all Let me Thank you for your post. I'm not sure where i went wrong
but i need to make clear THERE IS NO THIRD COMPUTER. ONLY TWO (2) COMPUTERS. somehow i confused people so let me say it again. ONLY TWO computers. NO computer [C]. I'm not sure where that idea came from. This is in a small business, and the computer needing to be networked DO HAVE A VERY GOOD LINE OF SIGHT. There are not really any walls in the way. ( When i talked about running through walls i was refering to if I ran a Physical cross over cable) One is in the front/main area, and the other is down the about ~75 feet hall, but they basicall have a great line of sight, unless the door is closed to the room of crourse, but that will not matter much. SO..... -Running a Cross Over cable would work but it would involve using ICS which i have gathered is dodgy -Setting up a Wireless Network should work? I think it would but it also uses ICS and people have had trouble running ICS through a router. But this is the basically the eaist option. I dont wanna have to run cross over cable through walls and then find out that ICS doesnt even work right. |
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Hard Networking Problem, Need a MVP's help. ICS over Wireless
ONLY TWO computers. NO computer [C]. I'm not sure where that idea came
from. I think the idea somehow came from you 8o) . This is in a small business, and the computer needing to be networked DO HAVE A VERY GOOD LINE OF SIGHT. There are not really any walls in the way. ( When i talked about running through walls i was refering to if I ran a Physical cross over cable) One is in the front/main area, and the other is down the about ~75 feet hall, but they basicall have a great line of sight, unless the door is closed to the room of crourse, but that will not matter much. SO..... ~75 feet with door open just might work for wireless, or possibly you'd need a higher gain antenna on one end. -Setting up a Wireless Network should work? I think it would but it also uses ICS and people have had trouble running ICS through a router. But this is the basically the eaist option. You can do wireless from wireless card to wireless card without a router, and then you would try ICS. I'd opt for a wireless router, but it might be overkill. I dont wanna have to run cross over cable through walls and then find out that ICS doesnt even work right. That's why you lay the cable on the floor and test it first. But keep in mind that cross-over cables aren't supported -- it's just not a recommended way to network. It works, but it's not kosher. Given what you've said, I'd go for the phone line extension. Can you run it under the floor? Is there a false ceiling? Or just have the 75' of wire on a spool, and roll it out on the floor when you want to dial to the Internet from the back computer. This saves you all kinds of headaches. Ken |
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Hard Networking Problem, Need a MVP's help. ICS over Wireless
"Ken J" wrote: ONLY TWO computers. NO computer [C]. I'm not sure where that idea came from. I think the idea somehow came from you 8o) . This is in a small business, and the computer needing to be networked DO HAVE A VERY GOOD LINE OF SIGHT. There are not really any walls in the way. ( When i talked about running through walls i was refering to if I ran a Physical cross over cable) One is in the front/main area, and the other is down the about ~75 feet hall, but they basicall have a great line of sight, unless the door is closed to the room of crourse, but that will not matter much. SO..... ~75 feet with door open just might work for wireless, or possibly you'd need a higher gain antenna on one end. -Setting up a Wireless Network should work? I think it would but it also uses ICS and people have had trouble running ICS through a router. But this is the basically the eaist option. You can do wireless from wireless card to wireless card without a router, and then you would try ICS. I'd opt for a wireless router, but it might be overkill. I dont wanna have to run cross over cable through walls and then find out that ICS doesnt even work right. That's why you lay the cable on the floor and test it first. But keep in mind that cross-over cables aren't supported -- it's just not a recommended way to network. It works, but it's not kosher. Given what you've said, I'd go for the phone line extension. Can you run it under the floor? Is there a false ceiling? Or just have the 75' of wire on a spool, and roll it out on the floor when you want to dial to the Internet from the back computer. This saves you all kinds of headaches. Ken Yea i've decided ill try and use a wireless router. Some people have had trouble running ICS through a router, but i think i can get it to work. The running a phone line exetention was something I thought of, but someone told me that the signal would be lost after running a extention for 100ft. But right now the wireless should work. |
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Hard Networking Problem, Need a MVP's help. ICS over Wireless
"Ken J" wrote: ONLY TWO computers. NO computer [C]. I'm not sure where that idea came from. I think the idea somehow came from you 8o) . This is in a small business, and the computer needing to be networked DO HAVE A VERY GOOD LINE OF SIGHT. There are not really any walls in the way. ( When i talked about running through walls i was refering to if I ran a Physical cross over cable) One is in the front/main area, and the other is down the about ~75 feet hall, but they basicall have a great line of sight, unless the door is closed to the room of crourse, but that will not matter much. SO..... ~75 feet with door open just might work for wireless, or possibly you'd need a higher gain antenna on one end. -Setting up a Wireless Network should work? I think it would but it also uses ICS and people have had trouble running ICS through a router. But this is the basically the eaist option. You can do wireless from wireless card to wireless card without a router, and then you would try ICS. I'd opt for a wireless router, but it might be overkill. I dont wanna have to run cross over cable through walls and then find out that ICS doesnt even work right. That's why you lay the cable on the floor and test it first. But keep in mind that cross-over cables aren't supported -- it's just not a recommended way to network. It works, but it's not kosher. Given what you've said, I'd go for the phone line extension. Can you run it under the floor? Is there a false ceiling? Or just have the 75' of wire on a spool, and roll it out on the floor when you want to dial to the Internet from the back computer. This saves you all kinds of headaches. Ken Yea i've decided ill try and use a wireless router. Some people have had trouble running ICS through a router, but i think i can get it to work. The running a phone line exetention was something I thought of, but someone told me that the signal would be lost after running a extention for 100ft. But right now the wireless should work. |
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