Microsoft Office updates

On 18/07/2015 21:01, Jo-Anne wrote:

No. As I've said before, that option does NOT exist on my Windows 7
computer. According to the howtogeek website that Mick pointed me to,
you first have to choose Microsoft Updates from the Microsoft Updates
website. Once you've done that, it will show up as an option when you
click Change Settings. I cannot get to any Microsoft Update page, and
I'm at a loss as to how to proceed. I've googled Microsoft Update and
found what should be the right page, but it's the same one I've been
getting all along and that I described earlier. It's useless.

Thank you for your effort--but until I can get to the Microsoft Update
website with the option to add Microsoft Update to Windows Update, I'm
stuck.


I am not sure what exactly doesn't exist on your windows 7 but to get
Windows Update page, just type this:

Control Panel\System and Security\Windows Update\Change settings

This should give you something like in this pictu

Windows-Update http://s7.postimg.org/7v53rvqsr/2015_07_18_2220.png

My TB filter is doing a fantastic job of filtering out all drug junkies
and known trolls on these newsgroups who are known to be using smoke and
mirrors to get news about Windows system.

Mike Easter wrote:
Apparently one has to reconfigure IE11 according to this forum discussion;

Alternatively, start by putting

update.microsoft.com into IE11 which will take you to a page requesting
to run Windows Update Vista Web Control

I passed on that, as I don't need MS Updating for other programs, but I
suspect that would solve the problem.

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Mike Easter

On 7/18/2015 4:28 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 16:21:17 -0500, Jo-Anne
wrote:

On 7/18/2015 4:01 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
How about the Office web page.


KenW


Where is that, Ken? I tried updating directly from Microsoft Word and
got the same functionless page I described earlier and that Mike Easter
confirmed. I'm guessing the link to the needed page is broken.
Or MS took it down because of Windows 10. I did a search for microsoft
office updates and got some pages.


KenW


I got some pages too, Ken, but the link to what should be Microsoft
Update didn't work from any of the pages I found.

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Jo-Anne

Good Guy wrote:
Windows-Update http://s7.postimg.org/7v53rvqsr/2015_07_18_2220.png

That is only after you have already been able to enable the MS updates.

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Mike Easter

Jo-Anne wrote:
Microsoft Update

Put update.microsoft.com into your IE11 browser addressline; then when
the page alert asks you to enable the Vista (?!) tool, let it do so.

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Mike Easter

On 7/18/2015 4:25 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
That failure includes having IE11 operational.

It seems to me that something is wrong with the MS link in the updates
function. In my experience MS has a big problem with keeping its
gazillion webpages properly operational.

Apparently one has to reconfigure IE11 according to this forum discussion;

https://social.technet.microsoft.com...w7itproinstall
Can't get Windows update to download updates for other MS products

qp
- add *.microsoft.com in Internet Explorer 11 to trusted sites
- add microsoft.com in IE to compatibility view
/qp


Thank you, Mike! This did it (along with allowing the Vista web control
install). I can't believe what a rigamarole Microsoft created...

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Jo-Anne

Jo-Anne wrote:
I can't believe what a rigamarole Microsoft created...

ISTM itseemstome that MS is such a 'behemoth' with so many 'irons in the
fire' that its many 'tentacles' are overwhelming in their scope.
Consequently the process of 'upkeep' such as changes between how IE10
related to a website related function compared to IE11 or what a tool's
name is, is completely 'chaotic' and 'out of control'.

If one wanders around MS webpages, one finds all manner of b0rken links,
outdated material, and other breakage.

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Mike Easter

On 18/07/2015 23:48:14, Jo-Anne wrote:
On 7/18/2015 4:25 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
That failure includes having IE11 operational.

It seems to me that something is wrong with the MS link in the updates
function. In my experience MS has a big problem with keeping its
gazillion webpages properly operational.

Apparently one has to reconfigure IE11 according to this forum discussion;

https://social.technet.microsoft.com...w7itproinstall
Can't get Windows update to download updates for other MS products

qp
- add *.microsoft.com in Internet Explorer 11 to trusted sites
- add microsoft.com in IE to compatibility view
/qp

Thank you, Mike! This did it (along with allowing the Vista web control
install). I can't believe what a rigamarole Microsoft created...

Sorry Jo-Anne, I should have included this in my first post but forgot.
I had the same problem a long long time ago. You have to 'update'
windows update! to get the tick box option for Office updates.
Well done to Mike for sorting it.

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mick

On 19/07/2015 00:39:58, mick wrote:
On 18/07/2015 23:48:14, Jo-Anne wrote:
On 7/18/2015 4:25 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
That failure includes having IE11 operational.

It seems to me that something is wrong with the MS link in the updates
function. In my experience MS has a big problem with keeping its
gazillion webpages properly operational.

Apparently one has to reconfigure IE11 according to this forum discussion;

https://social.technet.microsoft.com...w7itproinstall
Can't get Windows update to download updates for other MS products

qp
- add *.microsoft.com in Internet Explorer 11 to trusted sites
- add microsoft.com in IE to compatibility view
/qp

Thank you, Mike! This did it (along with allowing the Vista web control
install). I can't believe what a rigamarole Microsoft created...

Sorry Jo-Anne, I should have included this in my first post but forgot.
I had the same problem a long long time ago. You have to 'update' windows
update! to get the tick box option for Office updates.
Well done to Mike for sorting it.

I think this is where I got the windows updater update from
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/949104

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mick

mick wrote:
I think this is where I got the windows updater update from
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/949104

That page seems to be addressing the version of (specifically) Windows
Updater. It doesn't seem to say anything about updating other MS software.

For convenience, we have been distinguishing between using two terms
Windows Updater and Microsoft Updater as a shorthand for describing a
Windows Updater which has been modified to include other MS software and
one which has not, but MS itself doesn't handle the clarity of the
distinction in an unambiguous manner at all.

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Mike Easter

On 19/07/2015 00:55:58, Mike Easter wrote:
mick wrote:
I think this is where I got the windows updater update from
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/949104

That page seems to be addressing the version of (specifically) Windows
Updater. It doesn't seem to say anything about updating other MS software.

For convenience, we have been distinguishing between using two terms Windows
Updater and Microsoft Updater as a shorthand for describing a Windows Updater
which has been modified to include other MS software and one which has not,
but MS itself doesn't handle the clarity of the distinction in an unambiguous
manner at all.

It was such a long while ago that my memory has faded :-(

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mick

Hi, again, Jo-Anne.

Replying to my post to add:

I found it!

It has been years since I ran Win7 and pre-2010 Office that I forgot where I
found this. Back in those days, we had to update Office separately from
updating Windows. Access to update is different now, but if you can find
this page:

Control Panel\System and Security\Windows Update\Change settings

....you should find these two lines (among others):
"Microsoft Update
" [ ] Give me updates for other Microsoft products when I update
Windows"

That's the way it's worded on my Win 8.1 computer with MS Office 2010
installed.

RC
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R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro w/Media Center


"R. C. White" wrote in message
...

Hi, Jo-Anne.

It's very easy to miss the subtle distinction between "WINDOWS Update" (WU)
and "MICROSOFT Update" (MU), because so often we think of Windows and
Microsoft as synonyms.

But, as the screens tell us, WU downloads updates for only Windows itself.
MU includes WU, but also gets updates for MS programs other than Windows -
such as Office and its components (Word, Excel, etc.), Skype, MS Money, and
many others.

RC


"Jo-Anne" wrote in message ...

Windows Update on my Windows 7 computer does not appear to include
updates for Microsoft Office. I noticed today that the Update screen
says: "Get updates for other Microsoft products. Find out more." I
clicked on it and was taken to
http://www.update.microsoft.com/wind...&&thankspage=5
The only text on that page was: "Use your Start menu to check for updates
Windows Update is included in Control Panel. To check for updates:
Click the Start button, click All Programs, and then click Windows Update."

And of course that took me back to my usual Windows Update. Not useful.

So...given that I find no mention of Word, Excel, or any other of my
Office 2007 programs in my Update history, I'd like to know how to start
getting these updates. In XP, I substituted Microsoft Updates for
Windows Updates. Is there something similar in Windows 7?

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Thank you,
Jo-Anne

Thank you, R. C.

The problem was that the checkbox didn't exist in my Windows
Update/Change Settings. It turned out that I had to first download the
Microsoft Update (as opposed to the Windows Update) installer, and the
links to it didn't work (see some of the other posts).

I finally got advice from Mike Easter that enabled me to download it.
Once I had it, then Change Settings showed the box you're talking about,
and with it checked I saw at least a dozen Word updates to download.

I swear Microsoft is working overtime to make things more difficult than
they should be. I had no problem getting Microsoft Update in Windows XP...

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Jo-Anne


On 7/18/2015 10:05 PM, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, again, Jo-Anne.

Replying to my post to add:

I found it!

It has been years since I ran Win7 and pre-2010 Office that I forgot
where I found this. Back in those days, we had to update Office
separately from updating Windows. Access to update is different now,
but if you can find this page:

Control Panel\System and Security\Windows Update\Change settings

...you should find these two lines (among others):
"Microsoft Update
" [ ] Give me updates for other Microsoft products when I update
Windows"

That's the way it's worded on my Win 8.1 computer with MS Office 2010
installed.

RC
-- --
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro w/Media Center


"R. C. White" wrote in message
...

Hi, Jo-Anne.

It's very easy to miss the subtle distinction between "WINDOWS Update" (WU)
and "MICROSOFT Update" (MU), because so often we think of Windows and
Microsoft as synonyms.

But, as the screens tell us, WU downloads updates for only Windows itself.
MU includes WU, but also gets updates for MS programs other than Windows -
such as Office and its components (Word, Excel, etc.), Skype, MS Money, and
many others.

RC


"Jo-Anne" wrote in message ...

Windows Update on my Windows 7 computer does not appear to include
updates for Microsoft Office. I noticed today that the Update screen
says: "Get updates for other Microsoft products. Find out more." I
clicked on it and was taken to
http://www.update.microsoft.com/wind...&&thankspage=5

The only text on that page was: "Use your Start menu to check for updates
Windows Update is included in Control Panel. To check for updates:
Click the Start button, click All Programs, and then click Windows Update."

And of course that took me back to my usual Windows Update. Not useful.

So...given that I find no mention of Word, Excel, or any other of my
Office 2007 programs in my Update history, I'd like to know how to start
getting these updates. In XP, I substituted Microsoft Updates for
Windows Updates. Is there something similar in Windows 7?

Jo-Anne wrote:

Thank you, Mike! This did it (along with allowing the Vista web control
install). I can't believe what a rigamarole Microsoft created...




Fyi...the instructions to go to the Microsoft Update web site are no
longer applicable, that site was discontinued some time ago.

Ensure IE is updated to IE11, fully updated and set to its defaults,
then retest, if still not present add microsoft.com as a trusted site.

The problem isn't Windows Update or the Microsoft Update site
deprecation..the issue is usually associated with an earlier version of
muweb.dll which was corrected in later Windows Update engine and IE
updates. The trusted site option is a workaround.



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...winston
msft mvp windows experience

On 7/19/2015 12:48 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Jo-Anne wrote:

Thank you, Mike! This did it (along with allowing the Vista web control
install). I can't believe what a rigamarole Microsoft created...




Fyi...the instructions to go to the Microsoft Update web site are no
longer applicable, that site was discontinued some time ago.

Ensure IE is updated to IE11, fully updated and set to its defaults,
then retest, if still not present add microsoft.com as a trusted site.

The problem isn't Windows Update or the Microsoft Update site
deprecation..the issue is usually associated with an earlier version of
muweb.dll which was corrected in later Windows Update engine and IE
updates. The trusted site option is a workaround.



I'm not sure I completely understand everything here, Winston, but I can
say that I've kept up with all the Windows Updates, including anything
that applied to IE11, so that shouldn't have been an issue. Since IE
isn't generally my default browser (I use Firefox most of the time), I
haven't made any changes to it that I know of.

One question: Shouldn't Microsoft Update have been available through
Firefox too?

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Thank you,
Jo-Anne