Is the XP classic start menu back (finally) with Windows 10?

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 10:47:10 +0100, Bill wrote:

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On Windows, the equivalent, for me, would be Audacity & Super (I have
one of the last real freeware versions). Plus a Klite-codec pack, and
I'm good to go. I never edited on Windows but I'd probably just use the
free Microsoft Movie Maker and maybe VLC.

Just a small anecdote as a slight warning note. Friend of mine has
recorded a huge number of interviews as part of his radio show over the
years. He is now well into his 80's.
Someone had taken one of his interviews and used a Mac to put it online.
The friend asked me to listen to it, not for the copyright violation,
but for the audio quality.
I downloaded the file, but couldn't analyse it in the format. It did
sound distorted.
I ran it through Super to convert it. It was even more distorted. I had
to install and use an iTunes converter to convert it cleanly and see the
original distortion.
I sent a report via my friend about where in the chain the distortion
was likely to have occurred. He passed it on. The file miraculously
returned to decent quality. The Apple man rang me and said I didn't know
what I was talking about - it had always been fine.

I remain suspicious of Apple fans. And Super.

Did you ever try mediainfo to discover what the file was ?

http://www.codecguide.com/download_other.htm#mediainfo

Super is just a frontend. If it gets the codec wrong, it will
not convert correctly. I'd use Audacity to convert the file (export
as).

http://web.audacityteam.org/

Beware Sourceforge. It's gone dark. Don't download from there.
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I think is interesting that the group of people who were at the
forefront of the development of computer, and computer software, have
dug their heels in and refuse to accept the Window 8 changes.

While I don't have a touch screen, I have run Windows 8 since I got my
new Laptop. I was not happy with Windows 8, BUT with the upgrade to
Windows 8.1, it became a quite nice system.

I have set the computer to boot to the desktop, and have pinned the main
programs I use to the Desktop Taskbar.

I have unpinned every thing I don't use from the Start Menu, and added
some that were not there. I have groups for the different types of
programs I use. Internet, Word Processing, Spreadsheet, and image
processing programs, utilities, etc.

I have deleted some Apps that I don't want or need on my computer.

I find it very convenient to right click the MS Icon to access all of
the computer functions. When I need an infrequently used program, I
left click the MS icon, use the mouse wheel to find the program I am
looking and open it.

I think that if people would give Window 8 a chance, they would embrace
the new interface.

Going from Window XP/7 to Windows 8, is not as traumatic as going from
DOS to Windows. And Windows 8 is a much more stable operating system
than the original Windows/DOS system.

I still do some operation from the Command prompt, as it is faster that
using File explorer. ie creating a text file of the files in a directory

On 2015-06-11 10:14 AM, knuttle wrote:
I think is interesting that the group of people who were at the
forefront of the development of computer, and computer software, have
dug their heels in and refuse to accept the Window 8 changes.

While I don't have a touch screen, I have run Windows 8 since I got my
new Laptop. I was not happy with Windows 8, BUT with the upgrade to
Windows 8.1, it became a quite nice system.

Agreed wholeheartedly. 8, in its default state, scared off even the
biggest fans of Microsoft's products. I stuck around, but I have to
admit that I dreaded working within the modern interface most of the
time. It still allowed me to do whatever I wanted, but it became
somewhat cumbersome. 8.1's been magnificent.

I have set the computer to boot to the desktop, and have pinned the main
programs I use to the Desktop Taskbar.

I have unpinned every thing I don't use from the Start Menu, and added
some that were not there. I have groups for the different types of
programs I use. Internet, Word Processing, Spreadsheet, and image
processing programs, utilities, etc.

I have deleted some Apps that I don't want or need on my computer.

I find it very convenient to right click the MS Icon to access all of
the computer functions. When I need an infrequently used program, I
left click the MS icon, use the mouse wheel to find the program I am
looking and open it.

I think that if people would give Window 8 a chance, they would embrace
the new interface.

Going from Window XP/7 to Windows 8, is not as traumatic as going from
DOS to Windows. And Windows 8 is a much more stable operating system
than the original Windows/DOS system.

I still do some operation from the Command prompt, as it is faster that
using File explorer. ie creating a text file of the files in a directory

Same here. One of the things I like best about Windows 8 is the ability
to press the Windows button and type the name of the program I want to
run. Since the start menu doesn't work in the manner it did previously,
I've migrated to such functionality and embraced it to the point that I
wouldn't want the other way to return at all. It's very similar to how
GNOME 3 works and I like it.


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 11:01:13 -0400, Slimer wrote:


Agreed wholeheartedly. 8, in its default state, scared off even the
biggest fans of Microsoft's products. I stuck around, but I have to
admit that I dreaded working within the modern interface most of the
time. It still allowed me to do whatever I wanted, but it became
somewhat cumbersome. 8.1's been magnificent.

Do you remember what some of the differences were between 8.0 and 8.1? I
presumably have 8.1 on this laptop but I haven't seen any different
behaviors compared to what I had before. Maybe it's because I've always used
Classic Shell?

On 2015-06-11 1:15 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 11:01:13 -0400, Slimer wrote:


Agreed wholeheartedly. 8, in its default state, scared off even the
biggest fans of Microsoft's products. I stuck around, but I have to
admit that I dreaded working within the modern interface most of the
time. It still allowed me to do whatever I wanted, but it became
somewhat cumbersome. 8.1's been magnificent.

Do you remember what some of the differences were between 8.0 and 8.1? I
presumably have 8.1 on this laptop but I haven't seen any different
behaviors compared to what I had before. Maybe it's because I've always used
Classic Shell?

8 didn't allow you to resize the tiles in the modern interface. There
also was no "start button" which meant that if you wanted to load a
program, you moved the cursor to the bottom-left corner or typed on the
Windows key and entered the name of the program you wanted. The
operating system was also unable of booting directly into the desktop
and required you to play with the modern interface. Otherwise, it's the
same as far as I know.

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Proud "wintroll"
Encrypt.

Hi, Char.

I presumably have 8.1 on this laptop

If that laptop has a Break (or Pause/Break) key, just press that key while
you hold down the Windows key. In a second or two, the System page should
pop up. Under Windows edition it should tell you which version is running.
(Mine says Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center)

I agree with Slimer and Keith: 8.0 was so frustrating that I dumped it as
soon as I could. 8.1 works so well for me that I don't need any 3rd-party
shell at all. ;)

RC
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R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro w/Media Center


"Char Jackson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 11:01:13 -0400, Slimer wrote:


Agreed wholeheartedly. 8, in its default state, scared off even the
biggest fans of Microsoft's products. I stuck around, but I have to
admit that I dreaded working within the modern interface most of the
time. It still allowed me to do whatever I wanted, but it became
somewhat cumbersome. 8.1's been magnificent.

Do you remember what some of the differences were between 8.0 and 8.1? I
presumably have 8.1 on this laptop but I haven't seen any different
behaviors compared to what I had before. Maybe it's because I've always used
Classic Shell?

On 6/11/2015 2:43 PM, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, Char.

I presumably have 8.1 on this laptop

If that laptop has a Break (or Pause/Break) key, just press that key
while you hold down the Windows key. In a second or two, the System
page should pop up. Under Windows edition it should tell you which
version is running. (Mine says Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center)

I agree with Slimer and Keith: 8.0 was so frustrating that I dumped it
as soon as I could. 8.1 works so well for me that I don't need any
3rd-party shell at all. ;)

RC
-- --
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro w/Media Center


"Char Jackson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 11:01:13 -0400, Slimer wrote:


Agreed wholeheartedly. 8, in its default state, scared off even the
biggest fans of Microsoft's products. I stuck around, but I have to
admit that I dreaded working within the modern interface most of the
time. It still allowed me to do whatever I wanted, but it became
somewhat cumbersome. 8.1's been magnificent.

Do you remember what some of the differences were between 8.0 and 8.1? I
presumably have 8.1 on this laptop but I haven't seen any different
behaviors compared to what I had before. Maybe it's because I've always
used
Classic Shell?


The easiest way to get to the System Screen when on the desktop, right
click on the MS Icon on the taskbar, and select System from the pop up
menu. There is no waiting. System is the fifth item down from the
top. It is right above Device Manager, Network Connecton and Disk
Management.

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:17:56 -0400, Slimer wrote:

On 2015-06-11 1:15 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 11:01:13 -0400, Slimer wrote:


Agreed wholeheartedly. 8, in its default state, scared off even the
biggest fans of Microsoft's products. I stuck around, but I have to
admit that I dreaded working within the modern interface most of the
time. It still allowed me to do whatever I wanted, but it became
somewhat cumbersome. 8.1's been magnificent.

Do you remember what some of the differences were between 8.0 and 8.1? I
presumably have 8.1 on this laptop but I haven't seen any different
behaviors compared to what I had before. Maybe it's because I've always used
Classic Shell?

8 didn't allow you to resize the tiles in the modern interface. There
also was no "start button" which meant that if you wanted to load a
program, you moved the cursor to the bottom-left corner or typed on the
Windows key and entered the name of the program you wanted. The
operating system was also unable of booting directly into the desktop
and required you to play with the modern interface. Otherwise, it's the
same as far as I know.

Thanks, that makes sense then. Those are all things that Classic Shell takes
care of. That explains why I don't see any difference.

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:43:45 -0500, "R. C. White" wrote:

Hi, Char.

I presumably have 8.1 on this laptop

If that laptop has a Break (or Pause/Break) key, just press that key while
you hold down the Windows key. In a second or two, the System page should
pop up. Under Windows edition it should tell you which version is running.
(Mine says Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center)

I agree with Slimer and Keith: 8.0 was so frustrating that I dumped it as
soon as I could. 8.1 works so well for me that I don't need any 3rd-party
shell at all. ;)

No Pause/Break key, but it's easy enough to pull up the System Info screen,
which confirms that I have 8.1. I think the mystery is solved, though.
Classic Shell takes care of all of the things that 8.1 does, so I had the
benefits of 8.1 from day one and thus never saw a difference as a result of
the actual upgrade.

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 15:54:49 -0400, knuttle
wrote:

The easiest way to get to the System Screen when on the desktop, right
click on the MS Icon on the taskbar, and select System from the pop up
menu. There is no waiting. System is the fifth item down from the
top. It is right above Device Manager, Network Connecton and Disk
Management.

I don't have an MS icon, but I found the System Info screen. :-)
Click the Start Orb, start typing system...

Thanks.

On 6/11/2015 6:48 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 15:54:49 -0400, knuttle
wrote:

The easiest way to get to the System Screen when on the desktop, right
click on the MS Icon on the taskbar, and select System from the pop up
menu. There is no waiting. System is the fifth item down from the
top. It is right above Device Manager, Network Connecton and Disk
Management.

I don't have an MS icon, but I found the System Info screen. :-)
Click the Start Orb, start typing system...

Thanks.

The MS Icon is on the extreme right side of the taskbar both on the
Desktop and on the Metro Start screen. (It looks like a white box with a
cross on it.) On the desktop it is always visible. On the Metro Start
you have to move the cursor down to the exteme lower right cornor of the
screen.

Right clicking on either gives the same options, including the
shutdown/reboot option.

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:29:20 -0400, knuttle
wrote:

On 6/11/2015 6:48 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 15:54:49 -0400, knuttle
wrote:

The easiest way to get to the System Screen when on the desktop, right
click on the MS Icon on the taskbar, and select System from the pop up
menu. There is no waiting. System is the fifth item down from the
top. It is right above Device Manager, Network Connecton and Disk
Management.

I don't have an MS icon, but I found the System Info screen. :-)
Click the Start Orb, start typing system...

Thanks.

The MS Icon is on the extreme right side of the taskbar both on the
Desktop and on the Metro Start screen. (It looks like a white box with a
cross on it.) On the desktop it is always visible. On the Metro Start
you have to move the cursor down to the exteme lower right cornor of the
screen.

Right clicking on either gives the same options, including the
shutdown/reboot option.

I don't have such an icon (on either interface) and don't remember ever
seeing it, even before installing Classic Shell. That was a long time ago,
though.

Am 12.06.2015 um 04:29 schrieb knuttle:
The MS Icon is on the extreme right side of the taskbar both
on the Desktop and on the Metro Start screen.

Really? On my desktop it is on the extreme LEFT side!

On 6/12/2015 1:33 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:29:20 -0400, knuttle
wrote:

On 6/11/2015 6:48 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 15:54:49 -0400, knuttle
wrote:

The easiest way to get to the System Screen when on the desktop, right
click on the MS Icon on the taskbar, and select System from the pop up
menu. There is no waiting. System is the fifth item down from the
top. It is right above Device Manager, Network Connecton and Disk
Management.

I don't have an MS icon, but I found the System Info screen. :-)
Click the Start Orb, start typing system...

Thanks.

The MS Icon is on the extreme right side of the taskbar both on the
Desktop and on the Metro Start screen. (It looks like a white box with a
cross on it.) On the desktop it is always visible. On the Metro Start
you have to move the cursor down to the exteme lower right cornor of the
screen.

Right clicking on either gives the same options, including the
shutdown/reboot option.

I don't have such an icon (on either interface) and don't remember ever
seeing it, even before installing Classic Shell. That was a long time ago,
though.

The classic shell is probably removing it, so you have never seen it.

On 6/12/2015 6:03 AM, Jonas Klein wrote:
Am 12.06.2015 um 04:29 schrieb knuttle:
The MS Icon is on the extreme right side of the taskbar both
on the Desktop and on the Metro Start screen.

Really? On my desktop it is on the extreme LEFT side!


So I just had a dyslexic event. Sorry.