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What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office that isn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?



 
 
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Old April 7th 20, 05:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Default What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office that isn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?

On 2020-04-06 18:51, Rabid Roach wrote:
On 2020-04-06 9:05 p.m., T wrote:

-- snip --

Word Pro is free now too.Â* It is missing a bunch of nice feature, but it
works really well and can eat envelopes
alive.Â* Libre Office can not print an envelope for its
life, despite all the complaining on its bug reporter.
And Word Pro's division tabs are wonderful.Â* LO is
dragging their feet on that one two.

If you only want text editing, a great programmers text editor that is
stripped enough to use over ssh, is Geany.Â* I use it
exclusively for programming.


I wasn't aware that LibreOffice has trouble printing an envelope. Good
to know, thanks for the info!



https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/...g.cgi?id=42325
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/...g.cgi?id=42326
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/...g.cgi?id=42327

And on their forum:
https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/quest...t-an-envelope/


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Old April 7th 20, 01:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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On 2020-04-06 9:58 p.m., Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 18:05:44 -0700, T wrote:

Word Pro is free now too.


What is Word Pro?

Not mentioned he

https://www.techradar.com/best/free-office-software

Links?
TIA
[]'s


I believe that he's referring to the word processor bundled with the
Lotus SmartSuite product.


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Old April 7th 20, 01:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Default What useful functionality is in the newer Microsoft Office thatisn't already in the older MSOffice 2007 Pro which I just installed?

On 2020-04-07 12:36 a.m., T wrote:
On 2020-04-06 18:51, Rabid Roach wrote:
On 2020-04-06 9:05 p.m., T wrote:

-- snip --

Word Pro is free now too.Â* It is missing a bunch of nice feature, but it
works really well and can eat envelopes
alive.Â* Libre Office can not print an envelope for its
life, despite all the complaining on its bug reporter.
And Word Pro's division tabs are wonderful.Â* LO is
dragging their feet on that one two.

If you only want text editing, a great programmers text editor that is
stripped enough to use over ssh, is Geany.Â* I use it
exclusively for programming.


I wasn't aware that LibreOffice has trouble printing an envelope. Good
to know, thanks for the info!



https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/...g.cgi?id=42325
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/...g.cgi?id=42326
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/...g.cgi?id=42327

And on their forum:
https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/quest...t-an-envelope/


I suppose this is why most people don't adopt Linux for very long. It
seems that an open-source solution can be good for one task or another
but not for a whole system. However, this suggests that it's not even
worth using for a simple task.


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Old April 7th 20, 02:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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"T" wrote

The only thing I wish Word Pro had was the right click

spell check.


What about support for docx? Libre Office never
quite manages complex docx, and now they no longer
support XP, so if they fix docx it won't help me. The
SS version you linked seems to be circa 2014, so I'm
hopeful it might deal with docx. But if it's only had
patches since 2001 then it won't be useful.

Word Pro was the first office program I used. I got
it free on a magazine CD. (Remember those days?)
It had a nice feature I used to demonstrate things
to people I was trying to help. You could film the
desktop for any length of time and then give it to
someone else as a self-contained video in EXE format.

A quick search indicates that it's designed for XP
and may run afoul of DEP, which is odd. DEP has been
around for a long time and usually only conflicts with
coding hacks. Executable code running in data memory
locations is what sets it off. Though on XP, at least,
it can be adjusted via a boot parameter in boot.ini:
/NoExecute=AlwaysOff


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Old April 7th 20, 02:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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I'm afraid I just answered my own question:

"Fixpacks only contained changes to the Lotus Approach database software."

The whole download is something like 1.7 GB.
I cancelled it. This is software from 2002, so it
won't support docx.



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Old April 7th 20, 04:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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On 2020-04-07, Rabid Roach wrote:
I suppose this is why most people don't adopt Linux for very long. It
seems that an open-source solution can be good for one task or another
but not for a whole system. However, this suggests that it's not even
worth using for a simple task.


It depends on the task and the user's needs and experience.

I've been using Linux over 20 years as my primary OS and it does everything
I need. Despite being in business for decades I've never used any of the
Microsoft Office programs, though I've installed it plenty of times for
others.

For a home user who just "surfs thuh web" they won't notice much
difference between Linux and Windows or much of anything else as long as
they can point 'n click. On the other hand for the typical office drone
Linux is not a particularly good fit and I do not recommend it to them.

It's all about using the right tool for the job. Sometimes it's
Linux. Sometimes it's BSD Unix. Sometimes it's Windows, or OS-X which
is Unix under the hood. Or it may be something completely different. (If
I really had my preference I'd prefer to still be working with TOPS-20.
If you don't have 36 bits you're not working with a full DEC!)

When I need to print an envelope I use "enscript" from the command line
with a suitable text file as input. Easy peasy, but I've been working
with Unix and Unix-like systems for a very long time so I find the command
line easy and intuitive. There may be other ways to print envelopes but
this works for me.

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Old April 7th 20, 08:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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On 2020-04-07 11:48 a.m., Roger Blake wrote:
On 2020-04-07, Rabid Roach wrote:
I suppose this is why most people don't adopt Linux for very long. It
seems that an open-source solution can be good for one task or another
but not for a whole system. However, this suggests that it's not even
worth using for a simple task.


It depends on the task and the user's needs and experience.

I've been using Linux over 20 years as my primary OS and it does everything
I need. Despite being in business for decades I've never used any of the
Microsoft Office programs, though I've installed it plenty of times for
others.


I notice that anyone whose needs aren't specific will find joy with
Linux but anyone who wants to do specific tasks well, don't like it at all.

For a home user who just "surfs thuh web" they won't notice much
difference between Linux and Windows or much of anything else as long as
they can point 'n click. On the other hand for the typical office drone
Linux is not a particularly good fit and I do not recommend it to them.

It's all about using the right tool for the job. Sometimes it's
Linux. Sometimes it's BSD Unix. Sometimes it's Windows, or OS-X which
is Unix under the hood. Or it may be something completely different. (If
I really had my preference I'd prefer to still be working with TOPS-20.
If you don't have 36 bits you're not working with a full DEC!)

When I need to print an envelope I use "enscript" from the command line
with a suitable text file as input. Easy peasy, but I've been working
with Unix and Unix-like systems for a very long time so I find the command
line easy and intuitive. There may be other ways to print envelopes but
this works for me.


It's 2020 and I don't believe in compromises.

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Old April 7th 20, 09:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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On 2020-04-07, Rabid Roach wrote:
It's 2020 and I don't believe in compromises.


I don't see what the numbers in an abitrary calendar system have
to do with anything. Perhaps you can explain this strange phenomenon.
I strongly suspect you are just being a jackass, but I'll reserve
judgement on that.

In any event I don't believe in compromising my workflow either which
is why I work primarily from the command line. That's where the power
and flexibility is. Aside from providing multiple terminals GUIs just
get in the way.

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Old April 7th 20, 09:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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On 2020-04-07 4:12 p.m., Roger Blake wrote:
On 2020-04-07, Rabid Roach wrote:
It's 2020 and I don't believe in compromises.


I don't see what the numbers in an abitrary calendar system have
to do with anything. Perhaps you can explain this strange phenomenon.
I strongly suspect you are just being a jackass, but I'll reserve
judgement on that.

In any event I don't believe in compromising my workflow either which
is why I work primarily from the command line. That's where the power
and flexibility is. Aside from providing multiple terminals GUIs just
get in the way.


The point here is that in 2020, using the command-line or software which
doesn't do simple things properly (LibreOffice), is a compromise
considering proper software is available and affordable.


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Old April 7th 20, 10:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 at 00:38:20, Roger Blake
wrote:
On 2020-04-06, T wrote:

[]
I though M$O 2003 was very useful and did not like
the migration to tiles.


A lot of people are with you on that one. Lots of complaints from people
who suddenly had to relearn how to do what they needed.

[]
If by "tiles" you mean the "ribbon", there were a few add-ons that made
it revert. The one I tried and quite liked was from a .ch source; it
gave you a reasonable approximation to the non-ribbon UI, but also gave
access to the new facilities. It was only free for home use, though.
There was at least one other.
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Old April 7th 20, 10:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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"Rabid Roach" wrote


The point here is that in 2020, using the command-line or software which
doesn't do simple things properly (LibreOffice), is a compromise
considering proper software is available and affordable.


Yes, but it depends on what you need and what you
can get. I've been setting up a Raspberry Pi recently
for media streaming to a TV and it was somewhat of a pain.
Typical Linux. As soon as you actually want to do
something you're faced with command line. I detest
command line and consider it the mark of unfinished
software by lazy programmers. It's been out of date
since 1995. But in the end, the Pi was worth the work.

For office I've used Libre Office for many years. I've
never used any of the MS Office versions. At one time
Word '97 was only about $35. But I didn't need it. If I
wanted it today I'm guessing it would be $5-10/month
for 365 spyware "browser app" crap. Worse, it's not
even online. You have to install the whole thing and then,
like Adobe CS, it pretends to be online so they'll have
an excuse to say you can only rent and not buy. So you're
using GBs of space on your system for installed MSO, but
you have to pay them rental fees. What's wrong with this
picture?

MS would have to pay me to use that crap. LO
does what I need, which is mostly just work contracts,
receipts, envelope labels, and an occasional letter. I
can also save customer receipts as PDF, which most
of them like and it looks very professional. I don't need
macros, tables, etc. But if you work in an office and
your main work *is* MS Word then you'd be crazy to
cut corners. For the vast majority, LO, while excessively
bloated, is a full featured office program for free. (I can't
remember the last time I printed an envelope. Probably
never.)




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Old April 7th 20, 11:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 09:25:42 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote:

I'm afraid I just answered my own question:

"Fixpacks only contained changes to the Lotus Approach database software."

The whole download is something like 1.7 GB.
I cancelled it. This is software from 2002, so it
won't support docx.


If you use uTorrent you can download only the files you need.
Each language is about 145 MB, and the "fix" is around 10MB. Not so
large....

https://archive.org/download/LotusSm...rchive.torrent

If it doesn't handle docx, I'll just ask people to resend in a
civilized format.

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Old April 7th 20, 11:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 15:27:53 -0400, Rabid Roach
wrote:

On 2020-04-07 11:48 a.m., Roger Blake wrote:
On 2020-04-07, Rabid Roach wrote:
I suppose this is why most people don't adopt Linux for very long. It
seems that an open-source solution can be good for one task or another
but not for a whole system. However, this suggests that it's not even
worth using for a simple task.


It depends on the task and the user's needs and experience.

I've been using Linux over 20 years as my primary OS and it does everything
I need. Despite being in business for decades I've never used any of the
Microsoft Office programs, though I've installed it plenty of times for
others.


I notice that anyone whose needs aren't specific will find joy with
Linux but anyone who wants to do specific tasks well, don't like it at all.


That would be 2% of all users?
Let them use Windows.
After all, we're in 2020. Plenty of other options for the
majority.
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Old April 8th 20, 12:12 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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On 2020-04-07 4:20 p.m., J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 at 00:38:20, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2020-04-06, T wrote:

[]
I though M$O 2003 was very useful and did not like
the migration to tiles.


A lot of people are with you on that one. Lots of complaints from people
who suddenly had to relearn how to do what they needed.

[]
If by "tiles" you mean the "ribbon", there were a few add-ons that made
it revert. The one I tried and quite liked was from a .ch source; it
gave you a reasonable approximation to the non-ribbon UI, but also gave
access to the new facilities. It was only free for home use, though.
There was at least one other.



Still using Libreoffice as it does all I need and I don't print envelopes.
I have never liked the ribbon menu and probably never will.

Rene
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Old April 10th 20, 04:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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On 4/10/2020 8:10 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-04-10 9:56 a.m., jetjock wrote:
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 14:58:56 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 2020-04-09 2:38 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
In response to what Rene Lamontagne wrote :

You mean it took you 3 weeks 8 hours a day to learn MS Office Mail
Merge! Wow.

Hi Rene Lamontagne,

Some day you're going to _not_ prove to be two things in _every_ post:
a. You always prove to post with _zero_ purposefully helpful intent
b. Hence, _what_ you post actually adds _negative_ value to every thread.

I realize you don't care that you're a worthless piece of ****, Rene...
o But other people don't want to have to read me telling you this.

Stay away from me - and I'll stay away from you Rene Lamontagne.
o Just leave me alone.

If you're going to respond to my post, at least make it _zero_ value
o Instead of the negative value of all your posts (& mine in response).

Don't do it for me.
o Do it for the sake of the others on this newsgroup.


OK

Rene


Rene Lamontagne

Hi Rene,

Please do everyone a favor and NEVER respond to anything Arlen
posts. Most have him kill filed, but when you respond, they have to
read his drivel to get to what you have said. :-)

jetjock



Yep He's done for good..



Like most trolls, he changes his nym every now and then to escape from
kill files. So it may not be for good and you will have to do it again.

But no big deal--it takes just a few seconds to create a new kill file
entry when you need it.


--
Ken
 




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