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  #16  
Old February 10th 19, 12:16 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 10:31:18 +0000, Neil was quoted:

We're in a downward spiral as a result of the general acceptance
of Google's proposed revised structure for the internet.


What's that then?
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Old February 10th 19, 12:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In message , mechanic
writes:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 19:46:42 -0500, Wolf K wrote:

IMO, Strunk & White's _Elements of Style_ is still the best short
guide to writing well available.


[Would they have suggested "...available to writing well"?
"well available" is a little jarring, to me anyway. (-:]

Yes no doubt it's Lee Child's bedtime reading.


I _think_ it's a little US-specific - not that that's wrong of course;
we both have our preferences. For UK audiences, Eric Partridge's "Usage
and Abusage", and Fowler's "Modern English Usage" (IIRR), are probably
the best-known - if only because people enjoy disagreeing with them!

(Partridge's "Mind the Stop" - specifically about punctuation - is also
seminal. Though almost certainly not definitive.)

(It also amuses me that a fowler would by nature pursue a partridge.)
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Old February 10th 19, 07:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2/10/2019 7:16 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 10:31:18 +0000, Neil was quoted:

We're in a downward spiral as a result of the general acceptance
of Google's proposed revised structure for the internet.


What's that then?

Do a web search. It's off-topic for this group.

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Old February 10th 19, 09:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 10:00:37 -0800, pyotr
filipivich wrote:

"Mayayana" on Sat, 9 Feb 2019 09:38:19 -0500
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
Finally, Microsoft is officially saying IE shouldn't
be used:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/...er/ba-p/331732

As with most Microsoft writing, it's poorly written, in a
conversational but quasi-technical style with clunky,
made-up terms thrown in.
For example, "technical debt" means existing reasons you
need to use IE. "Endpoints" means websites. I wish MS
would provide basic English classes for their employees.

The author is not pointing to the security
problems at all. He only points out that MS broke IE11
in terms of backward compatibility, paints that as a
good thing, and doesn't want you to blame MS for IE11
not working as expected. Of course, if IE11 was standards
compliant and still supported quirks mode by default, it
would be universally compatible. Instead, IE11 does neither.

Interestingly, the author never even mentions Edge.
So the official MS position now is, "please don't use our
browsers online"! No problem, folks.


Weird it is.

I was a regular customer of TaxAct, till last year when it had to
have IE 11 installed or it would not work. Nope, wouldn't be prudent,
not gonna do it.


The Oz tax department will not recognize Edge. It
wants Chrome, IE11 or those other ones.
I had to change everything to Chrome.
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Old February 10th 19, 10:22 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 14:24:49 -0500, Neil wrote:

On 2/10/2019 7:16 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 10:31:18 +0000, Neil was quoted:

We're in a downward spiral as a result of the general acceptance
of Google's proposed revised structure for the internet.


What's that then?

Do a web search. It's off-topic for this group.


So why mention it then?
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Old February 10th 19, 10:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/02/2019 22:22, mechanic wrote:
So why mention it then?


To meet his daily quota of useless posts here. This newsgroup has
become a sewer for everything.




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Old February 11th 19, 02:31 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"mechanic" wrote

| We're in a downward spiral as a result of the general acceptance
| of Google's proposed revised structure for the internet.
|
| What's that then?
|
| Do a web search. It's off-topic for this group.
|
| So why mention it then?

I don't know whether he was referring to something or just
being glib, but I think there's some truth there. If you look
at webpage source code, nearly every commercial webpage
is pulling script and fonts from Google. They're happy to foot
the bill for 1+ MB of traffic per page just for the chance to
spy on people. It's nuts when you think about it. People
could put these files on their own sites. Instead they pull them
from Google. (They don't know any better? Google requires it?
I don't know.)

Add to that the ubiquity of Google/Doubleclick ads, Google
stats and Googletagmanager. On top of that, something like
2/3 of browsers online are Chrome -- spyware for Google.
They own search, they own most ads and most browsers. They
run an interlocked system of email, docs, etc that people
find so convenient they're happy to be imprisoned in
Google' services jail. They own the phone OS that most people
use and that acts as a tracking collar. So most people, unless
they make an effort, are being spied on by Google almost
constantly.

Google, perhaps more than anyone, have been pushing
the transition of the Internet from webpages and the
"information superhighway" to a corporate-owned,
ad-and-spyware driven commercial services venue.

But it must be noted that Google, for all their power,
is not alone. Facebook with their hypnotized Facebookies.
Apple with their slavish AppleSeeds. Microsoft, to some
extent. Amazon. Hulu and Netflix. ISPs... A lot of big
companies are working to cash in on the perceived
commercial takeover of the Internet. And it's not like
it was Google's idea. They've just been very clever about
getting a lot of feet in the door.


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Old February 11th 19, 11:35 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2/10/2019 5:22 PM, mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 14:24:49 -0500, Neil wrote:

On 2/10/2019 7:16 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 10:31:18 +0000, Neil was quoted:

We're in a downward spiral as a result of the general acceptance
of Google's proposed revised structure for the internet.

What's that then?

Do a web search. It's off-topic for this group.


So why mention it then?

For those with a genuine interest in the topic that may not be aware of
those proposed structural revisions, of course. There is a difference
between mentioning something and going off on a tangent in the wrong ng.

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Old February 11th 19, 11:54 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2/10/2019 9:31 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"mechanic" wrote

| We're in a downward spiral as a result of the general acceptance
| of Google's proposed revised structure for the internet.
|
| What's that then?
|
| Do a web search. It's off-topic for this group.
|
| So why mention it then?

I don't know whether he was referring to something or just
being glib, but I think there's some truth there.


I wasn't being glib, and much of what you wrote in response reflects
what I was referring to, but there is also a proposed change to move
away from HTML.

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Old February 11th 19, 02:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Wolf K" wrote

| Do a web search. It's off-topic for this group.
|
| Can't find "Google's proposed revised structure for the internet." The
| hits referred to Google's internal reorganisation.
|

Typical Neil. Playing hard to get.

I'm guessing he's referring to AMP:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Mobile_Pages

It's not really a replacement of HTML and certainly no
more than it's already being replaced by monstrosities
like Wix webpages and commercial sites that wrap
everything in javascript, so that script is required and
the resulting page is more of a push format than pull.
(Wix pages consist of script that pulls page data from
a central Wix database. There isn't actually any site at
somewixcustomer.com.)

The general description of AMP sounds to me very much
like Microsoft's tricks with IE. They come up with something
that they pretty much own. The pages usually come from
Google's cache. They use corrupted, custom HTML. At the
same time, some of what they're doing makes sense (like
sandboxed iframes and quicker rendering for phones) and
they welcome everyone else to join in, so long as Google
essentially owns it.

I think the webmasters are actually more to blame with
this stuff. People want to make a buck with ads and they
want it easy. They don't to have to learn how to actually
have a website. They don't want to figure out HTML and CSS.
So the fully "civilian" types, who know nothing, set up on
Wordpress or Wix, while the ones who know a little coding
load their pages with easy-to-use Google script and ads.
Gradually they've come to think it's normal that 3rd parties
infest or even host their websites.



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Old February 11th 19, 02:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2/9/2019 10:38 PM, Mayayana wrote:
Finally, Microsoft is officially saying IE shouldn't
be used:
...
Interestingly, the author never even mentions Edge.
So the official MS position now is, "please don't use our
browsers online"! No problem, folks.


There are websites and business applications that's heavily optimized
for IE. It's not easy to switch to other browsers (including Edge)
without additional programming and hence costs.

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Old February 12th 19, 10:36 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2/10/2019 5:29 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-02-10 14:24, Neil wrote:
On 2/10/2019 7:16 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 10:31:18 +0000, Neil was quoted:

We're in a downward spiral as a result of the general acceptance
of Google's proposed revised structure for the internet.

What's that then?

Do a web search. It's off-topic for this group.



Can't find "Google's proposed revised structure for the internet." The
hits referred to Google's internal reorganisation.

So, you think the problem is that you found nothing based on quoting a
comment. That is so typical of folks that want someone else to do their
homework for them.

So, he

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP/3

Perhaps you'll understand why it's OT for this ng.

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Old February 12th 19, 01:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Neil" wrote

| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP/3
|

Perhaps you'll explain why, of all the things Google's doing,
you think this protocol proposal is a problem. Seeing as
how we're not talking about it, we may as well know what
we're not talking about. All I see in the descriptions is a
plan to increase speed and efficiency by adding UDP to
TCP for HTTP.


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Old February 12th 19, 02:47 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2/12/2019 9:24 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-02-12 05:36, Neil wrote:
On 2/10/2019 5:29 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-02-10 14:24, Neil wrote:
On 2/10/2019 7:16 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 10:31:18 +0000, Neil was quoted:

We're in a downward spiral as a result of the general acceptance
of Google's proposed revised structure for the internet.

What's that then?

Do a web search. It's off-topic for this group.



Can't find "Google's proposed revised structure for the internet."
The hits referred to Google's internal reorganisation.

So, you think the problem is that you found nothing based on quoting a
comment. That is so typical of folks that want someone else to do
their homework for them.


I used the phrase you used. What else? Obviously you didn't use enough
care to craft an adequate description. Don't blame me for your laziness.

The absurdity of that approach to a web search on a topic is incredible.
Who writes comments as a basis for a web search? If I use your comments
as one, such as "Obviously you didn't use enough care to craft an
adequate description." will I turn up anything useful? You just simply
want to argue instead of learn anything, and I really have no time to
spend on such people.

So, he

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP/3


If your phrase had been an adequate and accurate label for your topic
drift, this link should've come up. It didn't. Since it didn't, your
phrase was not only useless, it was misleading.

Perhaps you'll understand why it's OT for this ng.


Nothing is OT for any unmoderated newsgroup. It's polite to signal an OT
thread or drift, but that's entirely up to the poster. NB that I've been
polite an relabelled this topic drift. Just for you, so you don't get
confused.

Have a frabjous day,




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Old February 12th 19, 05:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default OT: internet panic (Was: Microsoft blackballs IE)

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 09:47:52 -0500, Neil wrote:

On 2/12/2019 9:24 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-02-12 05:36, Neil wrote:
On 2/10/2019 5:29 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-02-10 14:24, Neil wrote:
On 2/10/2019 7:16 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 10:31:18 +0000, Neil was quoted:

We're in a downward spiral as a result of the general acceptance
of Google's proposed revised structure for the internet.

What's that then?

Do a web search. It's off-topic for this group.



Can't find "Google's proposed revised structure for the internet."
The hits referred to Google's internal reorganisation.

So, you think the problem is that you found nothing based on quoting a
comment. That is so typical of folks that want someone else to do
their homework for them.


I used the phrase you used. What else? Obviously you didn't use enough
care to craft an adequate description. Don't blame me for your laziness.

The absurdity of that approach to a web search on a topic is incredible.


It seemed to be entirely reasonable to me. You made a claim about the
Internet being in a downward spiral, and now that you haven't been able
to back it up, you're punching back. (IMHO, HTTP/3 doesn't support your
claim.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP/3
Perhaps you'll understand why it's OT for this ng.


Much less OT than global climate change. In fact, I'd argue that it's
not really OT at all. If there's going to be a major shift in Web
protocols, it'll affect Windows users directly, to some extent. Not that
I think there's anything to worry about just yet.

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