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Old February 11th 19, 11:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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I had one software app that wouldn't run on xp so decided to get windows 10 since it's the newest version of Windows, as far as I know.

It hogged most of a 40 gig hard drive and it turned out the software I needed to run wouldn't run on it either. At least it was given to me by a disgruntled windows user, so it didn't cost anything.

Linux is what I run most of the time and it does more things better than windows 10 and uses less space.

Windows is also a money hog, just trying to get your money, whichever way it can.

It was interesting to see how it's changed, and also how it's not much different than win xp. I can't see anything special about it.

Linux can do everything windows can do.

Well that's my gripe about windows.

If it wasn't for specific software that needs windows I'd never use it.


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Old February 11th 19, 11:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2/11/2019 6:32 PM, Dogma wrote:

I had one software app that wouldn't run on xp so decided to get windows
10 since it's the newest version of Windows, as far as I know.
It hogged most of a 40 gig hard drive and it turned out the software I
needed to run wouldn't run on it either. At least it was given to me by
a disgruntled windows user, so it didn't cost anything.

Linux is what I run most of the time and it does more things better than
windows 10 and uses less space.

Windows is also a money hog, just trying to get your money, whichever
way it can.

It was interesting to see how it's changed, and also how it's not much
different than win xp. I can't see anything special about it.

Linux can do everything windows can do.
Well that's my gripe about windows.

If it wasn't for specific software that needs windows I'd never use it.


Linux is fun until you need something important to run on it and come to
find out you can't.
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Old February 11th 19, 11:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Control Your Beef wrote:
On 2/11/2019 6:32 PM, Dogma wrote:

[...]
Linux can do everything windows can do.
Well that's my gripe about windows.

If it wasn't for specific software that needs windows I'd never use it.


Linux is fun until you need something important to run on it and come to
find out you can't.


Mainly comes down to whether or not there are viable alternatives. I've
yet to run into that problem, but then I also don't do much in the way
where "windows" is the only option.

Worst I've run into is that there's no "dropin" for Active Directory.

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Old February 11th 19, 11:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2/11/2019 6:52 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:
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Control Your Beef wrote:
On 2/11/2019 6:32 PM, Dogma wrote:

[...]
Linux can do everything windows can do.
Well that's my gripe about windows.

If it wasn't for specific software that needs windows I'd never use it.


Linux is fun until you need something important to run on it and come to
find out you can't.


Mainly comes down to whether or not there are viable alternatives. I've
yet to run into that problem, but then I also don't do much in the way
where "windows" is the only option.

Worst I've run into is that there's no "dropin" for Active Directory.

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Yeah good luck with anything dealing with AD. Even on Mac's it sucks.
It's a shame because AD is one of the best things to come out of
Microsoft. I'm not sure how you Linux guys survive without something
like AD.. I digress..

I'd like a Lightroom and Cyberduck alternative. What's out now sucks.
Darktable is clunky and rclone is trash.
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Old February 12th 19, 12:29 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Dogma wrote:

I had one software app that wouldn't run on xp so decided to get windows
10 since it's the newest version of Windows, as far as I know.
It hogged most of a 40 gig hard drive and it turned out the software I
needed to run wouldn't run on it either. At least it was given to me by
a disgruntled windows user, so it didn't cost anything.

Linux is what I run most of the time and it does more things better than
windows 10 and uses less space.

Windows is also a money hog, just trying to get your money, whichever
way it can.

It was interesting to see how it's changed, and also how it's not much
different than win xp. I can't see anything special about it.

Linux can do everything windows can do.
Well that's my gripe about windows.

If it wasn't for specific software that needs windows I'd never use it.


Let's see. (Checks wallet)

I paid over $300 for my one and only copy of Win2K.
I paid $150 for a single copy of Windows 7.
I paid $39.95 each for two copies of Windows 8.
It's getting cheaper.
I paid nothing for the activated Windows 10 I have here.

I see a hogging pattern there.

The "images" for each OS are relatively consistent. They're
in the 10-12GB range. How do you make it that small ?

powercfg /h off # turn off hibernation, eliminate hiberfil.sys

Using System control panel, set pagefile to a fixed size. I
use 1GB as a ceremonial size, but you can dial that to around
300MB if you want. There could be up to 300MB of "write-once"
materials during boot.

Now, after a reboot, check the size of C: and maybe there's
12GB of stuff (before you install any programs). The OS size,
once you've done that, is relatively consistent from Win7/Win8/Win10.
WinXP was an entirely different animal (since it doesn't use
the same software maintenance folder structure).

Does TurboTax run in Linux ? OK then. And tax season
in my country starts soon (when slips arrive to start
the tax calculation process).

Any Windows software with snuffy licensing
mechanisms, isn't going to survive WINE. And at least
one clever dude, has written an installer that "detects
everything". His installer refuses to install in virtual
OSes (Guests) as well as WINE. He has detectors for both.
So his software won't be running on your machine, even if
he has a "demo" mode. The installer won't allow it.

And then we can talk about RAM. Windows 10 can run in
350MB. Does Linux run in 350MB in all 500 cases ? No.
Windows 10 has a "1GB spec" for RAM, but the actual
kernel will run in 250-350MB. Not really that much
larger than the resting size of WinXP (maybe about
double what WinXP managed on a good day). If I set
a Win10 VM to 250MB, I can *still* open a copy of
Notepad! Firefox, not so much.

Is it a well designed OS, Windows 10?

Actually, no, but it would take another post to explain why.
I've had Windows 10 freeze up a number of times, and it
doesn't handle corner cases all that well. Task Manager
sucks, as it's a regular application with no superpowers.

Paul
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Old February 12th 19, 01:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2/11/2019 4:24 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-02-11 18:32, Dogma wrote:

I had one software app that wouldn't run on xp so decided to get
windows 10 since it's the newest version of Windows, as far as I know.
It hogged most of a 40 gig hard drive


Way too small these days. I'm surprised it ran well enough for you to
know it didn't run well enough for you.

and it turned out the software I needed to run wouldn't run on it either.


If it's all XP era, of course not.


At least it was given to me by a disgruntled windows user, so it
didn't cost anything.

Linux is what I run most of the time and it does more things better
than windows 10 and uses less space.


For ancient hardware, Linux is really the only option.

Windows is also a money hog, just trying to get your money, whichever
way it can.

It was interesting to see how it's changed, and also how it's not much
different than win xp. I can't see anything special about it.

Linux can do everything windows can do.


Nope, it can't. If you're talking typing, spreadsheet, web-browsing, and
such plain vanilla task, sure Linux works well. For anything specialised
not so much. For example, it won't run my favourite word processor.


Problem is there's no such thing as a linux desktop computing platform.
There's a chaos of
dozens/hundreds of distros each with it's own set of
quirks/compatibilities/interfaces/procedures/defaults...
And the next release will be different again.

The good news for linux is that windows is descending into the same
chaos model.

Well that's my gripe about windows.

If it wasn't for specific software that needs windows I'd never use it.

Me neither, but there IS a lot of software that needs it.

In the US, do I really need to have my car's steering wheel on the left
side?
Of course not. It would drive just fine with the wheel on the other side.
Until I tried to get out of a parking structure and the robot that
accepts payment is on the wrong side.
Or until my decades of experience led me to behave as if the steering
wheel were on the correct side and I crashed.
Trying to switch back and forth between left and right is an accident
waiting to happen. Pick something and stick with it.

If you think about what you want to do, you choose windows for ordinary user
desktop use.

If you want a hobby, or just to claim you're better/smarter, you choose
desktop linux.

Going with the flow is often easier than opposing the incumbent os.
M$ failed to unseat Android.

You've got the right end of the stick: Start with the tasks you need to
perform, and go from there.

Just for interest's sake, what is the program that you can't run on
Linux? If you skedaddle over to a Linux newsgroup, someone may know of a
Linux work-alike or alternative.

Just for interest's sake, why would you want to skedaddle out of your way
to search for a different way to do something you already know how to do?
Linux users act as if they were in a vacuum. The world is interconnected.
If you want to communicate/interact with others, you gotta
conform to the norms.
Start preaching from the book of linux at bridge club and see how far
you get.

Unless you're a newbie, you've likely got terabytes of history
that may not be dragable/dropable into a linux environment.

And yeah, windows is bloated.
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Old February 12th 19, 01:12 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Worst I've run into is that there's no "dropin" for Active Directory.

[...]
I'm not sure how you Linux guys survive without something
like AD.. I digress..


Mainly (at least in mt experience) with discrete components (LDAP,
Kerberos, PAM) all playing nicely together [1]. Though, honestly the
deepest I ever got into AD was server 2k era (2k3?) during university --
and that only gets one so deep into the beast.

[1] note, some aspects require "convincing", as well as pleas to the
Omnissiah.

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Old February 12th 19, 01:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 17:32:20 -0600, Dogma wrote:

I had one software app that wouldn't run on xp so decided to get windows
10 since it's the newest version of Windows, as far as I know.

It hogged most of a 40 gig hard drive and it turned out the software I
needed to run wouldn't run on it either. At least it was given to me by
a disgruntled windows user, so it didn't cost anything.

Linux is what I run most of the time and it does more things better than
windows 10 and uses less space.

Windows is also a money hog, just trying to get your money, whichever
way it can.

It was interesting to see how it's changed, and also how it's not much
different than win xp. I can't see anything special about it.

Linux can do everything windows can do.

Well that's my gripe about windows.

If it wasn't for specific software that needs windows I'd never use it.


Have you tried running it in Linux via WINE?
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Old February 12th 19, 02:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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ray wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 17:32:20 -0600, Dogma wrote:
I had one software app that wouldn't run on xp so decided to get windows
10 since it's the newest version of Windows, as far as I know.

It hogged most of a 40 gig hard drive and it turned out the software I
needed to run wouldn't run on it either. At least it was given to me by
a disgruntled windows user, so it didn't cost anything.

Linux is what I run most of the time and it does more things better than
windows 10 and uses less space.

Windows is also a money hog, just trying to get your money, whichever
way it can.

It was interesting to see how it's changed, and also how it's not much
different than win xp. I can't see anything special about it.

Linux can do everything windows can do.

Well that's my gripe about windows.

If it wasn't for specific software that needs windows I'd never use it.

Have you tried running it in Linux via WINE?

I have tried running it in wine, it crashes when trying to start.

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Old February 12th 19, 03:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Paul wrote:

Does TurboTax run in Linux ?


Yep. In a browser. I'm doing my TurboTax(es) using my Chrome OS
laptop. And I could do them on this Android tablet if I wanted. Using
that disk/download.exe is so old school...
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Old February 12th 19, 07:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 02/11/19 15:32, Dogma wrote:
Linux is what I run most of the time and it does more things better than
windows 10 and uses less space.


works for me, too! That, and FreeBSD

Windows is also a money hog, just trying to get your money, whichever
way it can.


often by spying on you, or shoving ads in your face

It was interesting to see how it's changed, and also how it's not much
different than win xp. I can't see anything special about it.


Win-10-nic and "Ape" (8) are 2D FLATTY McFLATFACE FLATSO, where XP and 7
are 3D skeuomorphic, particularly with respect to dialog controls,
window decorations (borders, buttons in the title bar, etc.) and overall
appearance. I'm _NO_ fan of "the Metro" look, I don't like bright blue
on blindingly bright white, and "settings" screens are much harder to
use than the 'Control Panel' equivalents.

If it wasn't for specific software that needs windows I'd never use it.


ABSOLUTELY TRUE for ME as WELL!


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Old February 12th 19, 07:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Big Bad Bob wrote:
On 02/11/19 15:32, Dogma wrote:
Linux is what I run most of the time and it does more things better
than windows 10 and uses less space.


works for me, too! That, and FreeBSD

Windows is also a money hog, just trying to get your money, whichever
way it can.


often by spying on you, or shoving ads in your face

It was interesting to see how it's changed, and also how it's not much
different than win xp. I can't see anything special about it.


I no longer see adverts for Office.

And there are some options you can use in Settings
to control some of the other things.

But nobody removes the "free games" and I know there's
still some Flappy Birds I didn't particularly want, on the
hard drive. That habit hasn't changed. Something that
really irritated me, was when some sort of Disney Corporation
content was placed on the hard drive. Holds up clove
of garlic and an upside-down cross to make it go away.
I don't play Whack-A-Mole with that stuff, because
that would be admitting they've won. As long as it stays
hidden, and doesn't appear as a Tile on the screen, it's... OK.

If they're spying on me... they're doing a good job. There's
always a pizza truck with antennas on top, parked out on the
street in front of the house. It's nice being able to walk
across the lawn and order an extra large pepperoni. And watch as
the truck drives off to pick it up.

And it's different than WinXP, because they've hidden the
Control Panels so people won't find them :-) Hows that
for an improvement ? Typing "control" in the Run box,
will pop it up for you. See how friendly ?

And if you open Settings, open Windows Update and click
the "check for updates" button, you're classed as a "Seeker".
Heaven help us for what other names they have for us.
Rather than spying, they've probably got a psych profile
for each person using the product ("habitual defragmenter
and CCleaner user").

Paul
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Old February 12th 19, 09:24 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 02/11/2019 11:22 PM, Big Bad Bob wrote:
On 02/11/19 15:32, Dogma wrote:

If it wasn't for specific software that needs windows I'd never use it.


ABSOLUTELY TRUE for ME as WELL!


In a nutshell,

Linux when you want to, or Windows when you have to.

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Old February 12th 19, 05:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2/11/19 5:32 PM, Dogma wrote:

[snip]

Linux can do everything windows can do.
Well that's my gripe about windows.

If it wasn't for specific software that needs windows I'd never use it.


And for anything important that requires Windows, avoid versions above 7.


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Old February 12th 19, 05:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2/11/19 5:44 PM, Control Your Beef wrote:

[snip]

Linux is fun until you need something important to run on it and come to
find out you can't.


I do have a couple of programs like that, run on a Win 7 VM on the Linux
host.

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