Windows 8.1 user accounts, you have GOT to be kidding.

On 30/09/14 04:27, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 02:36:30 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

Chime in ? OK

Any attempts to evangelize the issue further is like boarding a runaway
ocean liner plowing through the ice where the captain, crew and
passengers have left and continuing to look for someone to give you a
Drano enema.

Bottom line as noted before - protect all admin accounts (the first one
Win 8.1 creates and the hidden admin account) with a password.

Winston, you are pretty sharp. You must have figured out by now that JU
isn't going to understand any of this.

'sharp' very funny.

But truth to tell, I did get a kick out of a recent post of his, where
he said:

"It's reached the point where nobody with a vested interest will reply
because they know that a hidden unprotected Administrator account is
indefensible and not replying will move the thread down the order and
eventually it will 'go away'"

You realize that this means that if you answer, you're clearly trying to
mislead or lie to him, and if you don't answer, you're still trying to
mislead or lie to him.

And that's my misleading lie for today :-)

Oh you old kidder, you're hedging again aren't you.


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On 30/09/14 04:55, Paul wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 02:36:30 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

snip propaganda

But a hidden administrator
account that pops up out of no-where, that would be your
life line.

life line ... of course, it's a life line folks, don't worry, everything
will be just fine and you don't need to know about it.

and the author is ... Microsoft. Jeez, what a crock



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On 30/09/14 06:18, . . .winston wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 02:36:30 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

snip

That was one of the op's finer replies and just like a thread long
forgotten or ignored so will that ship with it's new captain, and the
ship's tone, tenor and hierarchy - even the background music - of little
consequence since no on else is on board to listen.

and yet you continue to respond.

We've all seen and/or conversed with posters in this forum that appear
as capricious, raving, self-serving, alternative agenda-driven, Doogie
Howser wannabe iceholes yet that doesn't mean they are not entertaining.
Usenet breeds iceholes: its principle export. In the long run this
forum is nothing more than entertainment, and if we haven't come to that
conclusion then maybe we should all be misleading iceholes, too.

Despite all your bizarre analogies and apparent fixation with ships
captains(?) you still haven't given an opinion.

That speaks louder than all your incoherent babbling.

Welcome to the land of iceholes, you are a good fit.


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On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:11:40 +0100, Joe User wrote:

On 27/09/14 22:25, felmon wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 08:21:59 +0100, Joe User wrote:

On 27/09/14 04:50, felmon wrote:
[...]

Yes, there will always be problems with complex systems, I presume you
are talking about the bash issue, it's been in existence for 25 years,
the hysterical reaction of the 'meedja' only serves to expand
awareness which is no bad thing actually. I predict that there will
*not* be a cataclysmic failure of systems using PHP and Apache httpd
(among others) although anyone that uses PHP gets everything they
deserve :-)

we better be careful not to veer too far off topic though it seems this
'hidden admin' thread has reached its end.

It's reached the point where nobody with a vested interest will reply
because they know that a hidden unprotected Administrator account is
indefensible and not replying will move the thread down the order and
eventually it will 'go away'

I could bump the thread daily but I probably won't, there are much
better ways of increasing awareness of this issue.

How about www.indefensiblewindowssecurityissues.com :-)

I'll add that I just did some
changes to address the bash issue which also gave me an opportunity (so
to speak) to do some necessary upgrades. to the extent I understand the
issue, I have the sense it wouldn't affect me very much since it
wouldn't be easy to hop onto my ssh sessions some of which are via vpn.
I'll have to see what my webhosting people are doing about it though.

For a non hysterical analysis read this

https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014...ially-crafted-
environment-variables-code-injection-attack/

non-hysterical perhaps but pretty scary nonetheless.

F.

On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:26:11 +0100, Joe User wrote:

On 30/09/14 04:27, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 02:36:30 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

Chime in ? OK

Any attempts to evangelize the issue further is like boarding a runaway
ocean liner plowing through the ice where the captain, crew and
passengers have left and continuing to look for someone to give you a
Drano enema.

Bottom line as noted before - protect all admin accounts (the first one
Win 8.1 creates and the hidden admin account) with a password.

Winston, you are pretty sharp. You must have figured out by now that JU
isn't going to understand any of this.

'sharp' very funny.

But truth to tell, I did get a kick out of a recent post of his, where
he said:

"It's reached the point where nobody with a vested interest will reply
because they know that a hidden unprotected Administrator account is
indefensible and not replying will move the thread down the order and
eventually it will 'go away'"

You realize that this means that if you answer, you're clearly trying to
mislead or lie to him, and if you don't answer, you're still trying to
mislead or lie to him.

And that's my misleading lie for today :-)

Oh you old kidder, you're hedging again aren't you.

Seems like this whole thing is a minor issue given the way things are
going. Soon you won't be able to take a dump without getting some
message like " please enter microsoft id to continue with defication"
IF linux takes over it would be the same thing..whoever gets the money
wants more and more control. Look at the changes in Ubuntu in recent
years..what do you see now..ads..money, power,contro,l stick your left
foot in stick your left foot out..thats what it's all about

On 30 Sep 2014 12:30, steve wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:26:11 +0100, Joe User wrote:

On 30/09/14 04:27, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 02:36:30 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

Chime in ? OK

Any attempts to evangelize the issue further is like boarding a runaway
ocean liner plowing through the ice where the captain, crew and
passengers have left and continuing to look for someone to give you a
Drano enema.

Bottom line as noted before - protect all admin accounts (the first one
Win 8.1 creates and the hidden admin account) with a password.

Winston, you are pretty sharp. You must have figured out by now that JU
isn't going to understand any of this.

'sharp' very funny.

But truth to tell, I did get a kick out of a recent post of his, where
he said:

"It's reached the point where nobody with a vested interest will reply
because they know that a hidden unprotected Administrator account is
indefensible and not replying will move the thread down the order and
eventually it will 'go away'"

You realize that this means that if you answer, you're clearly trying to
mislead or lie to him, and if you don't answer, you're still trying to
mislead or lie to him.

And that's my misleading lie for today :-)

Oh you old kidder, you're hedging again aren't you.

Seems like this whole thing is a minor issue given the way things are
going. Soon you won't be able to take a dump without getting some
message like " please enter microsoft id to continue with defication"
IF linux takes over it would be the same thing..whoever gets the money
wants more and more control. Look at the changes in Ubuntu in recent
years..what do you see now..ads..money, power,contro,l stick your left
foot in stick your left foot out..thats what it's all about

Unfortunately and to the entire disadvantage of the human species,
that's the way humans have nearly always been. By and large an
irrational species entirely taken over by the notion of control,
manipulation, greed and extortion. A sad species indeed.

On 30/09/14 20:30, steve wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:26:11 +0100, Joe User wrote:

On 30/09/14 04:27, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 02:36:30 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

snip

And that's my misleading lie for today :-)

Oh you old kidder, you're hedging again aren't you.

Seems like this whole thing is a minor issue given the way things are
going. Soon you won't be able to take a dump without getting some
message like " please enter microsoft id to continue with defication"

One of the most insidious things about some of the new 'apps' accessible
from the metro interface is that in some cases you now need a 'Microsoft
account' to do what you used to be able to do without one.

Take Skype. A lot of the older folks I meet rely on Skype to keep in
touch with their relatives who are often scattered around the planet.
So, their old machine finally gives up the ghost and they fall for the
sales patter of the local shed chimp and buy a nice shiny new laptop
running Windows 8/8.1, they fire it up, find the Skype 'tile' and then
their whole world falls apart, literally, they can no longer access
their primary method of keeping in touch with their families because all
of a sudden they need a new account etc. I've had people close to tears
over this, it's that important to them.

So, I download and install the 'desktop' version and they can talk to
their families again using their old familiar Skype with their old
familiar username and password etc. How many thousands or even millions
of people are suffering this totally unnecessary misery simply so
another multi-national can build lists of punters that they sell to any
scumbag cold caller who flashes the required amount of cash.

I wonder how long it will be before the desktop version disappears?

Sickening. Really, it's all starting to get way out of hand.

IF linux takes over it would be the same thing..whoever gets the money
wants more and more control. Look at the changes in Ubuntu in recent
years..what do you see now..ads..money, power,contro,l stick your left
foot in stick your left foot out..thats what it's all about.

It'll never happen, too many distros, too many people with eyes on the
code, too many free individuals ... and 'Linux' is the kernel, it's the
distro vendors who are playing the fool, not the kernel developers ... yet.

Thank the Big Giant Head for gcc. Do your own thing.
While you still can.



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On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 01:18:43 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 02:36:30 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

Chime in ? OK

Any attempts to evangelize the issue further is like boarding a runaway
ocean liner plowing through the ice where the captain, crew and
passengers have left and continuing to look for someone to give you a
Drano enema.

Bottom line as noted before - protect all admin accounts (the first one
Win 8.1 creates and the hidden admin account) with a password.

Winston, you are pretty sharp. You must have figured out by now that JU
isn't going to understand any of this.

But truth to tell, I did get a kick out of a recent post of his, where
he said:

"It's reached the point where nobody with a vested interest will reply
because they know that a hidden unprotected Administrator account is
indefensible and not replying will move the thread down the order and
eventually it will 'go away'"

You realize that this means that if you answer, you're clearly trying to
mislead or lie to him, and if you don't answer, you're still trying to
mislead or lie to him.

And that's my misleading lie for today :-)


That was one of the op's finer replies and just like a thread long
forgotten or ignored so will that ship with it's new captain, and the
ship's tone, tenor and hierarchy - even the background music - of little
consequence since no on else is on board to listen.

We've all seen and/or conversed with posters in this forum that appear
as capricious, raving, self-serving, alternative agenda-driven, Doogie
Howser wannabe iceholes yet that doesn't mean they are not entertaining.
Usenet breeds iceholes: its principle export. In the long run this
forum is nothing more than entertainment, and if we haven't come to that
conclusion then maybe we should all be misleading iceholes, too.

In truth, I really agree with you about entertainment.

That's one of the reasons I'm not into plonking. Or maybe I should say
one of the reasons I'm *conscious* of :-)

When a poster becomes less entertaining, I just tend not to read his
posts, or at least not as carefully.

BTW, looking at some of Joe User's recent posts, I'm beginning to worry
about him (not a joke this time).

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:26:11 +0100, Joe User wrote:

On 30/09/14 04:27, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 02:36:30 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

Chime in ? OK

Any attempts to evangelize the issue further is like boarding a runaway
ocean liner plowing through the ice where the captain, crew and
passengers have left and continuing to look for someone to give you a
Drano enema.

Bottom line as noted before - protect all admin accounts (the first one
Win 8.1 creates and the hidden admin account) with a password.

Winston, you are pretty sharp. You must have figured out by now that JU
isn't going to understand any of this.

'sharp' very funny.

But truth to tell, I did get a kick out of a recent post of his, where
he said:

"It's reached the point where nobody with a vested interest will reply
because they know that a hidden unprotected Administrator account is
indefensible and not replying will move the thread down the order and
eventually it will 'go away'"

You realize that this means that if you answer, you're clearly trying to
mislead or lie to him, and if you don't answer, you're still trying to
mislead or lie to him.

And that's my misleading lie for today :-)

Oh you old kidder, you're hedging again aren't you.

Actually, satire is a way of conveying information. Unfortunately, it
can fail to reach some of its potential audience.

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:00:32 +0100, Joe User wrote:

One of the most insidious things about some of the new 'apps' accessible
from the metro interface is that in some cases you now need a 'Microsoft
account' to do what you used to be able to do without one.

Take Skype. A lot of the older folks I meet rely on Skype to keep in
touch with their relatives who are often scattered around the planet.
So, their old machine finally gives up the ghost and they fall for the
sales patter of the local shed chimp and buy a nice shiny new laptop
running Windows 8/8.1, they fire it up, find the Skype 'tile' and then
their whole world falls apart, literally, they can no longer access
their primary method of keeping in touch with their families because all
of a sudden they need a new account etc. I've had people close to tears
over this, it's that important to them.

Another reason to use Linux.

Rod.

On 2014-09-30 6:28 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:00:32 +0100, Joe User wrote:

One of the most insidious things about some of the new 'apps' accessible
from the metro interface is that in some cases you now need a 'Microsoft
account' to do what you used to be able to do without one.

Take Skype. A lot of the older folks I meet rely on Skype to keep in
touch with their relatives who are often scattered around the planet.
So, their old machine finally gives up the ghost and they fall for the
sales patter of the local shed chimp and buy a nice shiny new laptop
running Windows 8/8.1, they fire it up, find the Skype 'tile' and then
their whole world falls apart, literally, they can no longer access
their primary method of keeping in touch with their families because all
of a sudden they need a new account etc. I've had people close to tears
over this, it's that important to them.

Another reason to use Linux.

That is probably the dumbest thing ever written in this newsgroup. Your
statement either suggests that old machines running GNU/Linux can't
possibly have a hardware issue which kills the machine or that GNU/Linux
aren't in the habit of forgetting their Skype user credentials as though
as they're somehow superior.

The reality is that GNU/Linux offers users a GREATER number of potential
problems than Windows ever would.

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OpenMedia Supporter
Help control the parasite population, have your GNU/Linux advocate
spayed or neutered.

On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:45:39 -0400, Silver Slimer
wrote:

On 2014-09-30 6:28 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:00:32 +0100, Joe User wrote:

One of the most insidious things about some of the new 'apps' accessible
from the metro interface is that in some cases you now need a 'Microsoft
account' to do what you used to be able to do without one.

Take Skype. A lot of the older folks I meet rely on Skype to keep in
touch with their relatives who are often scattered around the planet.
So, their old machine finally gives up the ghost and they fall for the
sales patter of the local shed chimp and buy a nice shiny new laptop
running Windows 8/8.1, they fire it up, find the Skype 'tile' and then
their whole world falls apart, literally, they can no longer access
their primary method of keeping in touch with their families because all
of a sudden they need a new account etc. I've had people close to tears
over this, it's that important to them.

Another reason to use Linux.

That is probably the dumbest thing ever written in this newsgroup. Your
statement either suggests that old machines running GNU/Linux can't
possibly have a hardware issue which kills the machine or that GNU/Linux
aren't in the habit of forgetting their Skype user credentials as though
as they're somehow superior.

The reality is that GNU/Linux offers users a GREATER number of potential
problems than Windows ever would.

I think he means that recently You have had to sign on to skype using
a microsoft account rather than Your usual skype account..that means
that all Your contacts etc would be gone..I'm not sure though I never
got through the sign on using the microsoft account part.

Making the dumbest post in the group would take some doing..I think
the "does silver slimer means thief?" post, takes that prize

On 30/09/14 22:39, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:26:11 +0100, Joe User wrote:

snip

Actually, satire is a way of conveying information. Unfortunately, it
can fail to reach some of its potential audience.

How incredibly interesting.

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On 01/10/14 00:45, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 2014-09-30 6:28 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:00:32 +0100, Joe User wrote:

snip

Another reason to use Linux.

That is probably the dumbest thing ever written in this newsgroup. Your
statement either suggests that old machines running GNU/Linux can't
possibly have a hardware issue which kills the machine or that GNU/Linux
aren't in the habit of forgetting their Skype user credentials as though
as they're somehow superior.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in this thread. It's not
about forgetting passwords it's about requiring a whole new Microsoft
account. Comprehension difficulties?

The reality is that GNU/Linux offers users a GREATER number of potential
problems than Windows ever would.

Fascinating.


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Not confused, just ... bewildered

On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:45:39 -0400, Silver Slimer
wrote:

One of the most insidious things about some of the new 'apps' accessible
from the metro interface is that in some cases you now need a 'Microsoft
account' to do what you used to be able to do without one.

Take Skype. A lot of the older folks I meet rely on Skype to keep in
touch with their relatives who are often scattered around the planet.
So, their old machine finally gives up the ghost and they fall for the
sales patter of the local shed chimp and buy a nice shiny new laptop
running Windows 8/8.1, they fire it up, find the Skype 'tile' and then
their whole world falls apart, literally, they can no longer access
their primary method of keeping in touch with their families because all
of a sudden they need a new account etc. I've had people close to tears
over this, it's that important to them.

Another reason to use Linux.

That is probably the dumbest thing ever written in this newsgroup. Your
statement either suggests that old machines running GNU/Linux can't
possibly have a hardware issue which kills the machine or that GNU/Linux
aren't in the habit of forgetting their Skype user credentials as though
as they're somehow superior.

The reality is that GNU/Linux offers users a GREATER number of potential
problems than Windows ever would.

Maybe, but getting basic things like Skype to work doesn't appear to
be one of them. New versions of the operating system rendering
existing software applications unusable doesn't appear to be one of
them either, at least not in my experience.

Rod.