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Manually setting a STATIC IP in WinXP Pro
I have two Lenovo laptops. One running WinXP Pro. The other runs
Linux. I wish to create a minimal network. It will consist of only those two machines. Neither will have any internet connectivity. I've found a number of web references to setting static IP addresses on Windows machines. *HOWEVER* assume internet connectivity by one/both machines. Can anyone point me to any documentation EXPLICITLY covering my {admittedly} peculiar requirement. TIA |
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Manually setting a STATIC IP in WinXP Pro
Richard,
I've found a number of web references to setting static IP addresses on Windows machines. Pick one and follow it. It will most likely work. *HOWEVER* assume internet connectivity by one/both machines. No such connectivity is needed. But to be able to connect/test you need to be able to connect to *something*. And connecting to another device that you're also setting up doubles (at least!) the chance of not getting anything working. My suggestion? Take a(n old) modem or smart switch (not connected to the interwebz) which you know the IP of, and plug your 'puter into that. Now when you gif your 'puter as static IP in the same range (and with the same netmask!) you should be able to access that modems/switches setup page with your browser. Also be aware of a problem that might exists if you just plug a cable from one 'puter to the other: the connection might not work (you would need to use a special "cross-over" cable). The simpelest solution is to just take a hub/switch/something-like-it and plug both computers cables into it. Actually, if you would take an old modem you would not even need to go thru the effort of setting up a static IP, as the DHCP server in that modem will most likely still work, even when its not connected to the interwebz. :-) Hope that helps. Regards, Rudy Wieser -- Origional message: Richard Owlett schreef in berichtnieuws ... I have two Lenovo laptops. One running WinXP Pro. The other runs Linux. I wish to create a minimal network. It will consist of only those two machines. Neither will have any internet connectivity. I've found a number of web references to setting static IP addresses on Windows machines. *HOWEVER* assume internet connectivity by one/both machines. Can anyone point me to any documentation EXPLICITLY covering my {admittedly} peculiar requirement. TIA |
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Manually setting a STATIC IP in WinXP Pro
Incidental remark: try Cygwin under XP, which puts
a unix-like environment there while leaving everything else working, at least if all you want is compilers and shells. Its /dev/clipboard is enormously useful. Other machines have files under //machinename/sharepath for files you share under windows, so networks are trivial. -- On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk. |
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Manually setting a STATIC IP in WinXP Pro
On 1/16/2017 8:10 AM, Ron Hardin wrote:
Incidental remark: try Cygwin under XP, which puts a unix-like environment there while leaving everything else working, at least if all you want is compilers and shells. Its /dev/clipboard is enormously useful. Other machines have files under //machinename/sharepath for files you share under windows, so networks are trivial. For reasons not relevant here I wish to avoid adding any software to that machine. *HOWEVER* saying that Cygwin would provide a unix-like environment rattled my cage in a productive direction. For another project I had done a minimal Linux install to a flash drive. This time I'll do a much more complete install, specifically maximizing networking capabilities. I'll not have "linux-like". I'll have *LINUX*! Sometimes seeing the obvious takes a while ;/ Thanks all. |
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Manually setting a STATIC IP in WinXP Pro
Richard Owlett wrote:
On 1/16/2017 8:10 AM, Ron Hardin wrote: Incidental remark: try Cygwin under XP, which puts a unix-like environment there while leaving everything else working, at least if all you want is compilers and shells. Its /dev/clipboard is enormously useful. Other machines have files under //machinename/sharepath for files you share under windows, so networks are trivial. For reasons not relevant here I wish to avoid adding any software to that machine. *HOWEVER* saying that Cygwin would provide a unix-like environment rattled my cage in a productive direction. For another project I had done a minimal Linux install to a flash drive. This time I'll do a much more complete install, specifically maximizing networking capabilities. I'll not have "linux-like". I'll have *LINUX*! Sometimes seeing the obvious takes a while ;/ Thanks all. I started with linux on a laptop and found there weren't drivers for all the devices; using the original XP solved that, and then adding Cygwin gave me back the linux capabilities. In fact I don't know how anybody does anything with a bare XP system. -- On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk. |
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Alternative solution - was [ Manually setting a STATIC IP in WinXPPro]
On 1/16/2017 7:47 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
I have two Lenovo laptops. One running WinXP Pro. The other runs Linux. I wish to create a minimal network. It will consist of only those two machines. Neither will have any internet connectivity. I've found a number of web references to setting static IP addresses on Windows machines. *HOWEVER* assume internet connectivity by one/both machines. Can anyone point me to any documentation EXPLICITLY covering my {admittedly} peculiar requirement. TIA The minimal network was being pursued as it was a close as I *HAD THOUGHT* I could come to a "null modem cable". A USB implementation is available - http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/163/DS_USBNMC-5030.pdf . I'll check local suppliers. Will also continue pursuing the LAN solution for its educational value. |
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Alternative solution - was [ Manually setting a STATIC IP inWinXPPro]
On 1/18/2017 9:23 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
Richard, The minimal network was being pursued as it was a close as I *HAD THOUGHT* I could come to a "null modem cable". Thats the "cross over" cable I mentioned* :-) *although a null-modem cable normally includes cross-over, it does need to. *NO* A "cross over" cable connects two Ethernet ports. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium...ace#Auto_MDI-X A "null-modem" connects two DTE or two DCE together. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_c...ting_equipment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_terminal_equipment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_modem IOW connect COM ports of two computers to each other. P.S. I've been using null modems for 50 years ;} Ethernet is only ~30 years old. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet But its still a good idea to first connect to a known-to-be-good device (the modem or smart switch (or anything else with a web-accessible setup) I mentioned) so that you can see your fixed IP actually works (on both 'puters), _before_ you try that cross-over cable (I'm not sure you realize, but now you've introduced a _third_ location that could give you troubles with setting up such a 'puter-to-'puter connection). Regards, Rudy Wieser -- Origional question. Richard Owlett schreef in berichtnieuws ... On 1/16/2017 7:47 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I have two Lenovo laptops. One running WinXP Pro. The other runs Linux. I wish to create a minimal network. It will consist of only those two machines. Neither will have any internet connectivity. I've found a number of web references to setting static IP addresses on Windows machines. *HOWEVER* assume internet connectivity by one/both machines. Can anyone point me to any documentation EXPLICITLY covering my {admittedly} peculiar requirement. TIA The minimal network was being pursued as it was a close as I *HAD THOUGHT* I could come to a "null modem cable". A USB implementation is available - http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/163/DS_USBNMC-5030.pdf . I'll check local suppliers. Will also continue pursuing the LAN solution for its educational value. |
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Alternative solution - was [ Manually setting a STATIC IP inWinXPPro]
Richard,
*NO* .... A "null-modem" connects two DTE or two DCE together. As you feel that strong about it I googled to have some backup for what I assumed to be true, and came across this page: http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/all...256F720071DECF It shows that the so-called "null-modem" cable is to connect a two devices of the _same type_ together (in other words: crossing the TXD and RXD wires), and the "straight thru" to connect a DCE to a DTE. To be honest, I have allways though of a "null modem" cable as being the one with just TXD and RXD (and ground ofcourse) connected to the other machine (regardless of if it was of the same, or opposite type), with the control lines connected back to their counterparts on the same connector. So, it looks like we both made a mistake. :-) P.S. I've been using null modems for 50 years ;} I have been using them, and others of its kind for quite a while too, and have even been known to solder a few myself. Regardless our time that we used them, we both seem to have misremembered. Also, age has little meaning on the "interwebz". Knowledge is the only thing that counts here. :-) Regards, Rudy Wieser P.s. More of the same: https://www.decisivetactics.com/supp...-or-null-modem -vs-straight-through-serial-cable http://www.zytrax.com/tech/layer_1/c...tech_rs232.htm http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cable.html All show a "null modem" cable to connect two devices of the same type. I'm not sure how you ... Scratch that. I notice all your links are to the same source. -- Origional message: Richard Owlett schreef in berichtnieuws ... On 1/18/2017 9:23 AM, R.Wieser wrote: Richard, The minimal network was being pursued as it was a close as I *HAD THOUGHT* I could come to a "null modem cable". Thats the "cross over" cable I mentioned* :-) *although a null-modem cable normally includes cross-over, it does need to. *NO* A "cross over" cable connects two Ethernet ports. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium...ace#Auto_MDI-X A "null-modem" connects two DTE or two DCE together. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_c...ting_equipment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_terminal_equipment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_modem IOW connect COM ports of two computers to each other. P.S. I've been using null modems for 50 years ;} Ethernet is only ~30 years old. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet But its still a good idea to first connect to a known-to-be-good device (the modem or smart switch (or anything else with a web-accessible setup) I mentioned) so that you can see your fixed IP actually works (on both 'puters), _before_ you try that cross-over cable (I'm not sure you realize, but now you've introduced a _third_ location that could give you troubles with setting up such a 'puter-to-'puter connection). Regards, Rudy Wieser -- Origional question. Richard Owlett schreef in berichtnieuws ... On 1/16/2017 7:47 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I have two Lenovo laptops. One running WinXP Pro. The other runs Linux. I wish to create a minimal network. It will consist of only those two machines. Neither will have any internet connectivity. I've found a number of web references to setting static IP addresses on Windows machines. *HOWEVER* assume internet connectivity by one/both machines. Can anyone point me to any documentation EXPLICITLY covering my {admittedly} peculiar requirement. TIA The minimal network was being pursued as it was a close as I *HAD THOUGHT* I could come to a "null modem cable". A USB implementation is available - http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/163/DS_USBNMC-5030.pdf . I'll check local suppliers. Will also continue pursuing the LAN solution for its educational value. |
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Addendum,
I just re-read my post and see I didn't make my self too clear (excuse of the day: It was late when I wrote it), I should have quoted an additional line: *NO* A "cross over" cable connects two Ethernet ports. .... A "null-modem" connects two DTE or two DCE together. Those cables have the _exact same_ function, one for serial, the other for ethernet. And if I may point something else out, the phrase "connects two Ethernet ports" is non-informative. Like if you would have used "two serial ports" in the second. Also consider that for ethernet all 'puters are comparable to DTEs from the serial-port case, with the modems, hubs and switches taking the place of DCEs. Maybe that makes it easier to see how both cables are effectivily the same. Regards, Rudy Wieser -- Origional message: R.Wieser schreef in berichtnieuws ... Richard, *NO* ... A "null-modem" connects two DTE or two DCE together. As you feel that strong about it I googled to have some backup for what I assumed to be true, and came across this page: http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/all...256F720071DECF It shows that the so-called "null-modem" cable is to connect a two devices of the _same type_ together (in other words: crossing the TXD and RXD wires), and the "straight thru" to connect a DCE to a DTE. To be honest, I have allways though of a "null modem" cable as being the one with just TXD and RXD (and ground ofcourse) connected to the other machine (regardless of if it was of the same, or opposite type), with the control lines connected back to their counterparts on the same connector. So, it looks like we both made a mistake. :-) P.S. I've been using null modems for 50 years ;} I have been using them, and others of its kind for quite a while too, and have even been known to solder a few myself. Regardless our time that we used them, we both seem to have misremembered. Also, age has little meaning on the "interwebz". Knowledge is the only thing that counts here. :-) Regards, Rudy Wieser P.s. More of the same: https://www.decisivetactics.com/supp...-or-null-modem -vs-straight-through-serial-cable http://www.zytrax.com/tech/layer_1/c...tech_rs232.htm http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cable.html All show a "null modem" cable to connect two devices of the same type. I'm not sure how you ... Scratch that. I notice all your links are to the same source. -- Origional message: Richard Owlett schreef in berichtnieuws ... On 1/18/2017 9:23 AM, R.Wieser wrote: Richard, The minimal network was being pursued as it was a close as I *HAD THOUGHT* I could come to a "null modem cable". Thats the "cross over" cable I mentioned* :-) *although a null-modem cable normally includes cross-over, it does need to. *NO* A "cross over" cable connects two Ethernet ports. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium...ace#Auto_MDI-X A "null-modem" connects two DTE or two DCE together. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_c...ting_equipment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_terminal_equipment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_modem IOW connect COM ports of two computers to each other. P.S. I've been using null modems for 50 years ;} Ethernet is only ~30 years old. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet But its still a good idea to first connect to a known-to-be-good device (the modem or smart switch (or anything else with a web-accessible setup) I mentioned) so that you can see your fixed IP actually works (on both 'puters), _before_ you try that cross-over cable (I'm not sure you realize, but now you've introduced a _third_ location that could give you troubles with setting up such a 'puter-to-'puter connection). Regards, Rudy Wieser -- Origional question. Richard Owlett schreef in berichtnieuws ... On 1/16/2017 7:47 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: I have two Lenovo laptops. One running WinXP Pro. The other runs Linux. I wish to create a minimal network. It will consist of only those two machines. Neither will have any internet connectivity. I've found a number of web references to setting static IP addresses on Windows machines. *HOWEVER* assume internet connectivity by one/both machines. Can anyone point me to any documentation EXPLICITLY covering my {admittedly} peculiar requirement. TIA The minimal network was being pursued as it was a close as I *HAD THOUGHT* I could come to a "null modem cable". A USB implementation is available - http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/163/DS_USBNMC-5030.pdf . I'll check local suppliers. Will also continue pursuing the LAN solution for its educational value. |
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