Volume License

There is a version of Office 2007 for sale on Ebay that claims to be
legit because it has Volume Licensing. I have the url if you want it.

I've never heard of a Volume License before, but IIUC it's what computer
makers use to include a copy of windows with every computer they sell.

But this seems different, maybe because purchasers aren't buying
anything else.

I vaguely remember 10 or 15 years ago when some sort of software was
sold online and, I forget, a little hardware trinket was included so it
would meet the terms of the license, which was that the software had to
be sold with hardware. Is that related to this?

Anyhow, is it legit for him to buy a volume license and sell a copy to
any Tom, Dick, and Harry?


Background, but didn't answer my question:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume_licensing
https://community.spiceworks.com/top...sing-vs-retail
https://community.spiceworks.com/top...lume-licensing
There are many more.

On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 08:56:41 -0500, micky
wrote in


There is a version of Office 2007 for sale on Ebay that claims to be
legit because it has Volume Licensing. I have the url if you want it.

Forget MS Office. Try

FreeOffice 2018 by PlanMaker
https://www.freeoffice.com/en/

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Hell NO. Careful what you see on Ebay.


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Yes, it's not called EvilBay for nothing!

On 30/01/2020 17:05, CRNG wrote:
Forget MS Office. Try

Fr

The idiot has spoken. Listen to him.

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micky wrote:

There is a version of Office 2007 for sale on Ebay that claims to be
legit because it has Volume Licensing. I have the url if you want it.

Claiming to be legit is what any scammer will do. It is NOT legit to
slice out instances of licenses (seats) from a volume license to sell to
anyone, especially outside the organization for whom the volume license
was purchased. Volume licenses are usable only within the organization
that purchased the volume license. That ONE LICENSE cannot be doled out
to anyone other than the organization (business) that bought the volume
license.

Log into eBay, go to the scam auction, and use the "Report Item" link to
report the scam to eBay. REPORT IT!

I've see the same scam with Quicken where someone bought a 5-license
pack and then tried to slice it up by selling the SAME LICENSE to
multiple buyers.

You're obviously looking at this eBay seller's offer because you're
trying to go cheap on getting MS Office. That's the bait scammers use.
Why spend any money on an ancient version of MS Office 2007 released
back in late 2007 (over 12 years old) when you can LibreOffice for FREE,
or other free alternatives, like Kingsoft Office Suite (I think they
stopped using it as adware)? LibreOffice has GUIs you can pick that are
similar to the old and new GUIs in MS Office, and so does Kingsoft.
There's also Softmaker's FreeOffice, but I recall I found some
deficiencies that I do use in MS Office. If you just must pay for an
office suite, I'd go with Softmaker Office ($70) versus Kingsoft WPS
Office ($60). Why? The first and major reason is that at a similar
price that Kingsoft doesn't sell their product as a stand-alone license,
but only rents it (i.e., it is subscriptionware). $60 gets you a 2-year
subscription to their WPS Office, wherease Softmaker sells a lifetime
license for $70. You have to pay $120 to Kingsoft to get a one-time
license. That's a $50 jump with Kingsoft to get a product that is
equivalent to Softmaker. Plus, as I recall when looking at these a few
years ago, Software (free or paid) had more features than Kingsoft.

Just be aware that rare few office suites include an e-mail client.
None of the free or paid alternatives mentioned above include an e-mail
client. With MS Office, you get Outlook (unless you get the Home
edition). Although Thunderbird finally got a new but independent dev
team at Mozilla, it still isn't as robust as Outlook. For example, you
can't get Exchange support in Tbird unless you buy an extension that
adds that e-mail protocol. I trialed Tbird several times, the last
being 6 months long as as my primary client, but still got rid of it.

Do you really need a local office suite and keep your docs on your
computer, or might you go online for the office apps and keep your docs
in the cloud (and optionally save a local copy)? Microsoft has their
office web apps for free. So does Google with their Google Docs (just
be aware those want to save in Google's doc formats instead of
Microsoft's, by default). I stay old-school with local apps but I have
local and online copies of my docs. That's because I don't keep that
many docs on my computer, so their total size is well under the maximum
storage quota for OneDrive and Google Drive. The online web apps are
free because they're hoping you need to subscribe to more storage quota.
In fact, if you can look at Office 365 as either: free Office programs
and buying 1 TB online storage, or buying Office programs and getting 1
TB free. In either view, you're paying the same subscription cost. The
office web apps (MS or Google) are nowhere near as robust as local
programs, but then most users only use 10% of the features, so the web
apps are more than sufficient. Since you're using Windows 10, and
perhaps use a MS account to login into Windows 10, then you already have
an MS account, their office web apps are free, and there's even a Start
Menu shortcut and tile linking to their web apps.

I've never heard of a Volume License before, but IIUC it's what
computer makers use to include a copy of windows with every computer
they sell.

No, that's an OEM license.

But this seems different, maybe because purchasers aren't buying
anything else.

How would you know what else some other buyer is buying?

Are you still talking about the OEM license? In the past, and because
it was supposed to be sold as a bundle with a computer, the requirement
was some hardware had to be included in the sale of an OEM license.
Microsoft changed that calling it a System Builder license which also
meant you built the computer and sold it to someone else, not sold to
yourself for free. Most users see OEM and System Builder as the same.
Plus that was when buying a Windows OEM license, not for Office.

Anyhow, is it legit for him to buy a volume license and sell a copy to
any Tom, Dick, and Harry?

No. The seller is not allowed to resell the volume license at all. He
cannot slice seats out of a volume license. He can't even resell the
seats to employees within the same organization. He cannot sell any of
the seats at all. The volume license is bought for and applicable to
the entire organization, and seats cannot be doled to anyone outside
that organization.

On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 08:56:41 -0500, micky
wrote:

There is a version of Office 2007 for sale on Ebay that claims to be
legit because it has Volume Licensing. I have the url if you want it.

I've never heard of a Volume License before, but IIUC it's what computer
makers use to include a copy of windows with every computer they sell.

No. A volume license is provided when a large organisation wants
to update 100 machines. I have a volume license for XP.

Anyhow, is it legit for him to buy a volume license and sell a copy to
any Tom, Dick, and Harry?

No.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 01 Feb 2020 19:24:49 +1100, Lucifer
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 08:56:41 -0500, micky
wrote:

There is a version of Office 2007 for sale on Ebay that claims to be
legit because it has Volume Licensing. I have the url if you want it.

I've never heard of a Volume License before, but IIUC it's what computer
makers use to include a copy of windows with every computer they sell.

No. A volume license is provided when a large organisation wants
to update 100 machines. I have a volume license for XP.

Anyhow, is it legit for him to buy a volume license and sell a copy to
any Tom, Dick, and Harry?

No.

Thanks all. I found his ad when shopping for 2007. Someone, maybe
here, said that Word 2004 and 2007 were much easier to understand than
newer ones with the ribbon across the top. I don't like the ribbon.

Plus I have another problem I thought maybe a different version would
help me solve. I may post about that later. I just have Word Starteer
that comes with win10.

On 03/02/2020 18:38, micky wrote:
I just have Word Starteer
that comes with win10.


You have a bootlegged windows 10 because a genuine product doesn't come
with any word. You can have an online FREE version of Excel and/or Word
but you need to have Internet access and Microsoft account.
Considering you are paranoid about everything Microsoft I doubt you knew
anything about this nor any idiot here would know anything about this.



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On 1/30/20 10:05 AM, CRNG wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 08:56:41 -0500, micky
wrote in


There is a version of Office 2007 for sale on Ebay that claims to be
legit because it has Volume Licensing. I have the url if you want it.

Forget MS Office. Try

FreeOffice 2018 by PlanMaker
https://www.freeoffice.com/en/

It's by Softmaker, from Germany. Planmaker is the spreadsheet portion.


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On 1/30/20 6:35 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
micky wrote:

There is a version of Office 2007 for sale on Ebay that claims to be
legit because it has Volume Licensing. I have the url if you want it.

snip

You're obviously looking at this eBay seller's offer because you're
trying to go cheap on getting MS Office. That's the bait scammers use.
Why spend any money on an ancient version of MS Office 2007 released
back in late 2007 (over 12 years old) when you can LibreOffice for FREE,
or other free alternatives, like Kingsoft Office Suite (I think they
stopped using it as adware)? LibreOffice has GUIs you can pick that are
similar to the old and new GUIs in MS Office, and so does Kingsoft.

With the folks I come in contact with, I can understand it. Some can't
afford new computers or new software. Some know the old software in and
out, backwards and forwards, and the old stuff does everything they
need, and possibly more? I wouldn't spend the money just to have
something new either. I'd rather go out to eat. G

I used to be a Libre Office fan, but these days, the more I learn about
it, the less impressed I am.

There's also Softmaker's FreeOffice, but I recall I found some
deficiencies that I do use in MS Office.

True, but the paid version gives you more than the free version. I
liked it well enough that I bought the 2016 version, and it does
everything I need and more. There is a database component to the suite,
but it's not a standalone component like Access. It's a non-relational
system access from either the word processor or spreadsheet. I've got a
project in mind for this, just haven't gotten off my lazy butt to get it
done.

I think the different programs are better integrated with each other,
and if you expect it to work like Office, then you will be disappointed.

If you just must pay for an
office suite, I'd go with Softmaker Office ($70) versus Kingsoft WPS
Office ($60). Why? The first and major reason is that at a similar
price that Kingsoft doesn't sell their product as a stand-alone license,
but only rents it (i.e., it is subscriptionware). $60 gets you a 2-year
subscription to their WPS Office, wherease Softmaker sells a lifetime
license for $70. You have to pay $120 to Kingsoft to get a one-time
license. That's a $50 jump with Kingsoft to get a product that is
equivalent to Softmaker. Plus, as I recall when looking at these a few
years ago, Software (free or paid) had more features than Kingsoft.

Just be aware that rare few office suites include an e-mail client.

Softmaker Office 2016 (paid version) and newer include Thunderbird.

None of the free or paid alternatives mentioned above include an e-mail
client.

There is at least one free office suite that does include an email
program, but darned if I can remember it.

With MS Office, you get Outlook (unless you get the Home
edition). Although Thunderbird finally got a new but independent dev
team at Mozilla, it still isn't as robust as Outlook. For example, you
can't get Exchange support in Tbird unless you buy an extension that
adds that e-mail protocol. I trialed Tbird several times, the last
being 6 months long as as my primary client, but still got rid of it.

And Thunderbird still has a lot of old issues that have been around
quite awhile.

Do you really need a local office suite and keep your docs on your
computer, or might you go online for the office apps and keep your docs
in the cloud (and optionally save a local copy)? Microsoft has their
office web apps for free. So does Google with their Google Docs (just
be aware those want to save in Google's doc formats instead of
Microsoft's, by default). I stay old-school with local apps but I have
local and online copies of my docs. That's because I don't keep that
many docs on my computer, so their total size is well under the maximum
storage quota for OneDrive and Google Drive. The online web apps are
free because they're hoping you need to subscribe to more storage quota.
In fact, if you can look at Office 365 as either: free Office programs
and buying 1 TB online storage, or buying Office programs and getting 1
TB free. In either view, you're paying the same subscription cost. The
office web apps (MS or Google) are nowhere near as robust as local
programs, but then most users only use 10% of the features, so the web
apps are more than sufficient. Since you're using Windows 10, and
perhaps use a MS account to login into Windows 10, then you already have
an MS account, their office web apps are free, and there's even a Start
Menu shortcut and tile linking to their web apps.

I think I'm more "old school" than you. LOL I don't use One Drive, I
don't use iCloud. I do have a Dropbox account, but it's used just for
items I would/could attach to an email. Then I email a link, and when
everyone has had a chance to check and see if there's anything they
want, I delete them.

Local system backups. Pretty much zip for social media. But
considering a super basic Facebook account.

snip


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Thunderbird 60.9
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and it's gone!"

On 2/3/20 11:38 AM, micky wrote:
Someone, maybe
here, said that Word 2004 and 2007 were much easier to understand than
newer ones with the ribbon across the top.

2004 is for the Mac. 2003 is for Windows.

2003 no ribbon. I don't know about 2004 for the Mac.

2007 for Windows introduced the ribbon.

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and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:

Softmaker Office 2016 (paid version) and newer include Thunderbird.

Alas, I've come to dislike Thunderbird. I trialed it several times, but
gave up after a couple weeks. In the last trial, I was determined to
use it a lot longer and learn more about it. Unfortunately that meant I
disliked it more. After just overa 6-month trial, I dumped it and went
back to MS Outlook (which you have to pay for, so I had an MS Office 365
subscription but have since let it expire).

I've gone to eM Client for an e-mail, contacts, and calendar client.
Alas, it has some bugs. When defining a Gmail account, do NOT let eM
Client automatically create a Gmail account because that will use
Google's Mail API (which gives access to e-mail, contacts, and
calendar). Why? Because the Mail API requires going through a project
at Google, and a project gets an API quota. eM Client's owner(s) have
not upped their Mail API quota in their Google project account. The API
quota is for *all* API requests for all users of eM Client sharing the
same Google project for eM Client. The result is eM Client users will
notice they cannot poll their Gmail accounts for awhile (until the API
quota subsides as frustrated eM Client users leave that client, remove
Gmail from eM Client, or reduce their aggregate polling count. To
reliably poll Gmail just for e-mail, you use Other when creating a Gmail
account in eM Client, and create an IMAP account for Gmail. This means
you get e-mail but not contacts or calendar. Since Gmail is my backup
or secondary account, all I want from it is e-mail. I don't need my
contacts or calendars from Gmail. For contacts, they're all in my
Hotmail account that eM Client can use. My calendars come from Hotmail,
too. eM Client supports MS Exchange/ActiveSync (EAS), so I get my
e-mail, contacts, and calendars from my Hotmail account.

eM Client includes Exchange support, so it works with Microsoft
accounts. Thunderbird does not support Exchange. You have to buy an
extension (Exquilla, 10 ¤/year, or ~$11.33 USD/year) to add Exchange
support to Thunderbird. I dislike subscriptionware (and why I stopped
using MS Office 365 although you can buy the standalone version), and
Exquilla is subscriptionware. Users have reported deficiencies with
Exquilla showing it doesn't have full Exchange support, like renaming
folders.

Although Softwaker Office (payware, not their freeware FreeOffice)
bundles Thunderbird, I would omit Thunderbird in a custom installation
and use a more capable e-mail client. Yeah, free and robust e-mail
clients are rare. eM Client's free version has some limitations, like
just 2 e-mail accounts maximum. I have 3 active ones. I configured my
ISP e-mail account to always forward to my Gmail account, so eM Client
only has to poll 2 accounts. The only feature in their payware version
that interests me is supporting more than 2 accounts. For comparison,
see https://www.emclient.com/pro-vs-free. However, while they have a
relatively good e-mail client, $50 is too high.

While Windows 10 comes with Mail, People, and Calendar apps, I've had
lots of problems with them. First is they are deficient compared to 3rd
party e-mail programs and apps regarding features. They are apps for
uber-boobs. While I get toasts (popups) and entries in the Action
Center for e-mails, calendar reminders are very iffy. Most of my
calendar events with reminders never show a toast to remind me of an
appointment or task. Even if the toast pops up, it times out. You can
do a registry edit to increase the wait time, but the app will truncate
the value to some maximum, like 5 minutes, so you can't keep the toast
indefinitely shown to leave it around when you happen to return to your
computer. After the calendar's toast disappears, so does the event's
entry in the Action Center, so there is no badge count on the Action
Center's tray icon nor an entry to see in the Action Center. Users have
come to the conclusion that Microsoft believes reminders should only be
shown before an event, and are to disappear after the time for the
event.

None of the free or paid alternatives mentioned above include an e-mail
client.

There is at least one free office suite that does include an email
program, but darned if I can remember it.

I've looked at several. Haven't found one yet (and not by bundling
Thunderbird which is someone else's program). Another choice I've
looked at was EssentialPIM (essentialpim.com). MS Outlook is a PIM
(Personal Information Manager) that includes e-mail functions. It's $10
USD cheaper than eM Client. It's not subscriptionware per se, but the
purchase only includes 1 year of updates. I've not researched how often
they issue updates. It's $20/year for more updates (for just one more
year). What you buy doesn't auto-destruct, so you can keep using the
old version sans updates. The lifetime license costs a whopping $80.
As I recall, EPIM freeware doesn't include "cloud services" which
includes Exchange support, and I want that. EPIM free doesn't have
Exchange but eM Client free does.

For now, I'll keep using LibreOffice, but will revisit Softmaker's
FreeOffice (and look at their Office freeware version, too). If it
comes with Thunderbird, no thanks. Besides, bundling Tbird into their
product is a gype: they're just proferring someone else's software into
their office suite, so it really isn't part of their office suite. Lots
of installers try to dump bundleware onto users.

And Thunderbird still has a lot of old issues that have been around
quite awhile.

Thunderbird has bugs and requests that are dated to 2002. They kept
adding features instead of focusing their manpower on fixing bugs. I'd
find yet another problem, search their bugzilla database, and find the
bug was over a decade old. It's status was New which meant it never got
looked at by devs nor was anything fixed. The bug ticket never got
opened and looked at.

Tbird now has a new "home" at Mozilla Foundation rather than relying a
community of volunteers. However, I suspect Mozilla Foundation is much
like Apache Foundation: a dumping place for old software that is no
longer supported, as what happened to OpenOffice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Thunderbird

On July 6, 2012, Mozilla announced the company was dropping the
priority of Thunderbird development because the continuous effort to
extend Thunderbird's feature set was mostly fruitless. The new
development model shifted to Mozilla offering only "Extended Support
Releases", which deliver security and maintenance updates, while
allowing the community to take over the development of new features.

On December 1, 2015, Mozilla Executive Chair Mitchell Baker announced
in a company-wide memo that Thunderbird development needs to be
uncoupled from Firefox.

Mozilla has brought Thunderbird back in-house in an announcement on
May 9, 2017.

On January 28, 2020, the Mozilla Foundation announced that the project
would henceforth be operating from a new wholly owned subsidiary, MZLA
Technologies Corporation, in order to explore offering products and
services that were not previously possible and to collect revenue
through partnerships and non-charitable donations.

The heydays of Thunderbird are gone. Also, a big problem with
Thunderbird is it support newsgroup. It is a monitored newsgroup.
Chris Ilias is the monitor. He has usurped this newsgroup as his own.
It's his rules, not Mozilla's, that he enforces. If he decides, your
posts are not automatically accepted. Supposedly he reviews the pending
posts, but it could be a day, or more, before he gets to them. He
tolerates only inquiries for help, and nothing about problems inherent
to Tbird even if it to help a user understand why something doesn't work
correctly in Tbird. Ilias makes the Tbird newsgroup nearly unusable
except for his old cronies and noobs.

Mozilla operates their support newsgroups as mailing lists, not as an
NNTP server to do newsgroups (aka Usenet). They added a NNTP gateway to
their e-mail system, but it is not a legit NNTP server. Any article
submitted to their NNTP gateway gets immediately accepted despite it is
still pending submission to their e-mail system where it can get
rejected (sometimes by e-mail errors, sometimes by Ilias, or neglected
by Ilias so the pending submission expires). You submit to their NNTP
gateway, your client gets an OK status back which is supposed to mean
the article got accepted and will show up, but you discover that your
article never showed up. The NNTP gateway disconnects the NNTP
connection from their e-mail system, so e-mail errors, moderator
rejections, and submit timeouts were never reported by to the NNTP user.

When I pointed out a Mozilla web page describing the duties of a
moderator in Mozilla's newsgroups, like moving a rejected article to a
different newsgroup (where it could still be seen) because the moderator
considered it off-topic, or redacting an article to show reasons why the
moderator thought there was a problem with the article, Ilias managed to
make that web page disappear. He didn't want anyone to know he wasn't
following Mozilla's rules on how to moderate Mozilla's newsgroups.

Local system backups. Pretty much zip for social media. But
considering a super basic Facebook account.

Social sites are for mentally wimps: those that need public ego
stroking. Some are used for a business presence (i.e., to advertise).
Some are informative. Most are managed by boobs that need to stroke
their egos in public. After all, they only get positive votes, so
without any negative voting you cannot see how others actually perceive
their site. We wouldn't want to upside the kiddies now, would we? Yes,
there could be a lot of spiteful or shill voting, but the same for
positive voting, and why a reputation rating should be used to decide on
the weighting of votes.

On 2/4/20 8:59 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

Softmaker Office 2016 (paid version) and newer include Thunderbird.

Alas, I've come to dislike Thunderbird. I trialed it several times, but
gave up after a couple weeks. In the last trial, I was determined to
use it a lot longer and learn more about it. Unfortunately that meant I
disliked it more. After just overa 6-month trial, I dumped it and went
back to MS Outlook (which you have to pay for, so I had an MS Office 365
subscription but have since let it expire).

I've stopped recommending Thunderbird and Firefox to people. In fact, I
pretty much recommend nothing. About the closest I get to doing this is
to list the free AV programs that rate well on AV-Comparatives. I used
to check the Virus Bulletin page, but, IMO, the site has gone downhill
with the apparent deletion of the RAP chart to just a list that's
pass/fail. Personally, I want comparisons between the individual products.

Outlook is way overkill for my needs. As a matter of fact, so is
Thunderbird. LOL ButTB has some add ons that really make things better
for me. The 2 most important being Account Colors and Theme and Font
Size Changer. With my eyesight situation these days, I would consider
those 2 to be all but indispensable.

There are very, very few programs that I would pay a subscription fee
for. Currently, I have none. If things were really bad in the AV
world, that's one category of software I would consider a subscription to.

I've gone to eM Client for an e-mail, contacts, and calendar client.
Alas, it has some bugs. When defining a Gmail account, do NOT let eM
Client automatically create a Gmail account because that will use
Google's Mail API (which gives access to e-mail, contacts, and
calendar). Why? Because the Mail API requires going through a project
at Google, and a project gets an API quota. eM Client's owner(s) have
not upped their Mail API quota in their Google project account. The API
quota is for *all* API requests for all users of eM Client sharing the
same Google project for eM Client. The result is eM Client users will
notice they cannot poll their Gmail accounts for awhile (until the API
quota subsides as frustrated eM Client users leave that client, remove
Gmail from eM Client, or reduce their aggregate polling count. To
reliably poll Gmail just for e-mail, you use Other when creating a Gmail
account in eM Client, and create an IMAP account for Gmail. This means
you get e-mail but not contacts or calendar. Since Gmail is my backup
or secondary account, all I want from it is e-mail. I don't need my
contacts or calendars from Gmail. For contacts, they're all in my
Hotmail account that eM Client can use. My calendars come from Hotmail,
too. eM Client supports MS Exchange/ActiveSync (EAS), so I get my
e-mail, contacts, and calendars from my Hotmail account.

Personally, I don't want all the connections to the web, at least no
more than necessary. My ISP offers something like 15 email addresses
for free, so over the years, i've created number of addresses for
specific purposes. Only 2 of my accounts are IMAP, and these days,
those are for showing people the difference between how IMAP and POP
accounts.

eM Client includes Exchange support, so it works with Microsoft
accounts. Thunderbird does not support Exchange. You have to buy an
extension (Exquilla, 10 €/year, or ~$11.33 USD/year) to add Exchange
support to Thunderbird. I dislike subscriptionware (and why I stopped
using MS Office 365 although you can buy the standalone version), and
Exquilla is subscriptionware. Users have reported deficiencies with
Exquilla showing it doesn't have full Exchange support, like renaming
folders.

Although Softwaker Office (payware, not their freeware FreeOffice)
bundles Thunderbird, I would omit Thunderbird in a custom installation
and use a more capable e-mail client. Yeah, free and robust e-mail
clients are rare. eM Client's free version has some limitations, like
just 2 e-mail accounts maximum. I have 3 active ones. I configured my
ISP e-mail account to always forward to my Gmail account, so eM Client
only has to poll 2 accounts. The only feature in their payware version
that interests me is supporting more than 2 accounts. For comparison,
see https://www.emclient.com/pro-vs-free. However, while they have a
relatively good e-mail client, $50 is too high.

Most of the current email programs have evolved to a "looks like
everybody else" UI, which is now difficult for me to use. I like the
ability to personalize software so I enjoy using it. I'm not a lemming.
LOL Along that vein of thought, if you want to check out a free
office with a radical different look, check out Ssuite, from South
Africa I believe. https://www.ssuiteoffice.com/

I've not played with it for years, and it's different now than it was then.

While Windows 10 comes with Mail, People, and Calendar apps, I've had
lots of problems with them. First is they are deficient compared to 3rd
party e-mail programs and apps regarding features. They are apps for
uber-boobs. While I get toasts (popups) and entries in the Action
Center for e-mails, calendar reminders are very iffy. Most of my
calendar events with reminders never show a toast to remind me of an
appointment or task. Even if the toast pops up, it times out. You can
do a registry edit to increase the wait time, but the app will truncate
the value to some maximum, like 5 minutes, so you can't keep the toast
indefinitely shown to leave it around when you happen to return to your
computer. After the calendar's toast disappears, so does the event's
entry in the Action Center, so there is no badge count on the Action
Center's tray icon nor an entry to see in the Action Center. Users have
come to the conclusion that Microsoft believes reminders should only be
shown before an event, and are to disappear after the time for the
event.

My brief contact with the Mail App left me totally unimpressed. I can
only conclude people use it because they are unaware of any alternatives.

Years ago, I read a statement that was along the lines of "Microsoft
software works, it just doesn't work well." I still believe that's
applicable.

I just did an unsuccessful search for the free office suite with an
email client, and of course found articles for "best free office
suites". A couple of them mention iWork from Apple, with one site
having a "Buy from Apple" button. To begin with, the last iWork package
I can remember is 2011. I own 2009. Apple then broke the package apart
into the 3 individual programs. They are now free, also. So if this
info is wrong, what other info on those and other sites, are also wrong?

FWIW, if you need to do the occasional desktop publishing project, Pages
has a frame based DTP mode.

None of the free or paid alternatives mentioned above include an e-mail
client.

There is at least one free office suite that does include an email
program, but darned if I can remember it.

I've looked at several. Haven't found one yet (and not by bundling
Thunderbird which is someone else's program). Another choice I've
looked at was EssentialPIM (essentialpim.com). MS Outlook is a PIM
(Personal Information Manager) that includes e-mail functions. It's $10
USD cheaper than eM Client. It's not subscriptionware per se, but the
purchase only includes 1 year of updates. I've not researched how often
they issue updates. It's $20/year for more updates (for just one more
year). What you buy doesn't auto-destruct, so you can keep using the
old version sans updates. The lifetime license costs a whopping $80.
As I recall, EPIM freeware doesn't include "cloud services" which
includes Exchange support, and I want that. EPIM free doesn't have
Exchange but eM Client free does.

I looked at EPIM a few years ago, but there was something I found
missing or didn't like. Probably time to check it out again.

For now, I'll keep using LibreOffice, but will revisit Softmaker's
FreeOffice (and look at their Office freeware version, too). If it
comes with Thunderbird, no thanks. Besides, bundling Tbird into their
product is a gype: they're just proferring someone else's software into
their office suite, so it really isn't part of their office suite. Lots
of installers try to dump bundleware onto users.

I've got FreeOffice 2018 on this Mac, and it feels a lot more limited
than my paid for 2016. So, I'm not sure you'd get a decent impression.

snip

The heydays of Thunderbird are gone. Also, a big problem with
Thunderbird is it support newsgroup. It is a monitored newsgroup.
Chris Ilias is the monitor. He has usurped this newsgroup as his own.
It's his rules, not Mozilla's, that he enforces. If he decides, your
posts are not automatically accepted. Supposedly he reviews the pending
posts, but it could be a day, or more, before he gets to them. He
tolerates only inquiries for help, and nothing about problems inherent
to Tbird even if it to help a user understand why something doesn't work
correctly in Tbird. Ilias makes the Tbird newsgroup nearly unusable
except for his old cronies and noobs.

Ah, yes... Mr. Ilias... I've had my go-arounds with him.
snip

Local system backups. Pretty much zip for social media. But
considering a super basic Facebook account.

Social sites are for mentally wimps: those that need public ego
stroking. Some are used for a business presence (i.e., to advertise).
Some are informative. Most are managed by boobs that need to stroke
their egos in public. After all, they only get positive votes, so
without any negative voting you cannot see how others actually perceive
their site. We wouldn't want to upside the kiddies now, would we? Yes,
there could be a lot of spiteful or shill voting, but the same for
positive voting, and why a reputation rating should be used to decide on
the weighting of votes.

My use would be for advertising. I do a small amount of computer
tutoring, and I'd like a little more activity there, and all the
feedback I get from business folks here is most of the customers find
out about them on Facebook.



--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 70.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 05/02/2020 13:30, Ken Springer wrote:

In fact, I pretty much recommend nothing.

Very wise. Your knowledge and experience of 1940 is not going to help
anybody here who are all using 21st century, State of the art
technology. So it is very clever of you not to recommend anything here
because you'll only look stupid. you don't want that to happen in your
last few days on this earth.









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With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On 2/5/20 9:42 AM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 05/02/2020 13:30, Ken Springer wrote:

Â*In fact, I pretty much recommend nothing.

Very wise.Â* Your knowledge and experience of 1940 is not going to help
anybody here who are all using 21st century, State of the art
technology.Â* So it is very clever of you not to recommend anything here
because you'll only look stupid.Â* you don't want that to happen in your
last few days on this earth.

Hmmm, maybe I should recommend stuff. Then, I could sound as stupid as
you!!! What a role model!

That just might be the ticket to success!


--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 70.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"