Pirated XP

"Leythos" wrote

| You've not shown how activation impacts legal owners.

It doesn't if they use AU because MS hasn't figured out how to put ActiveX
on AU -- yet. If you want to go to the WU site, yes, it puts you through
hoops such as using ActiveX and IE. You will have to type your Product Key
and prove it is legit software.

| You've not shown how pirates are going to get around it - DUH.

| --
|

Using AU, of course. BTW, cracked XPs don't need to be activated and can
also use AU. PC World has a good article on this he

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119458,00.asp
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"Leythos" wrote in message
...
| In article , donmcdaniel2005
| @yahoo.com says...
| Of course it's ok (and ethical) to install Office XP on two computers
| -- more properly, it's ok to install the same copy of Office XP on
| your desktop and one laptop. This is provided for in the EULA of
| every retail version of Office XP.
|
| Actually, it's only permitted if there is only one user of both
| computers. If the computer is shared with others you may not install it
| twice - this has been the case since Office 4.x.
|
|
| --
| --
|

And must one install a web cam so MS can check who's using it or is the
honor system used?
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"Dan" wrote

| So auto-update will work for pirated users. However, software pirates
will
| not have the flexibility to pick and choose their updates.

Wrong. You can set AU to download but not install and then you can choose
what you want to install. What they may not be able to get is the latest
Windows Media Player etc.

| This seems to be
| a fair trade-off. (Still puzzles me why Microsoft wants you to auto-update
| and encourages it through the XP Security Center in XP SP2 --- not for
me --
| I can download it but I do not want anything to go on my machine if
possible
| without my authorization) It still angers me that users have to have
| anti-virus programs, anti-spyware programs and anti-everything programs to
| make their PC's work at least okay and then the PC requires a huge time
| commitment to maintain and then it is a smart idea not to store
confidential
| information on the PC in case it is hacked into. I for one do not use
| on-line banking due to the risk of the account being hacked. Stupid Crazy
| F___ing stealing people's identity. I almost think they should bring back
| the guilitine for people like these.

Actually, ID theft is not very common on the Net. In fact, online banking
has decreased it because you can check to see if anything funny is going on
anytime you want without waiting for your monthly statement. Most ID theft
comes in the real world by people looking through your mail box or trash. If
you're paranoid about ID theft, get a shredder and use your online banking
to check to make sure your balance is what you think it is.
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|
| "Alias" wrote in message
| ...
| :
| : "Tom Pepper Willett" wrote in message
| : ...
| : | Guess what? That's about to change:
| : | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6868504/
| :
| : Same article that states:
| :
| : "By mid-2005, the program will become mandatory for Windows users to get
| : virtually all updates, including security fixes available through the
| : company's Windows Update Web site. But users who have pirated copies of
| : Windows will be able to continue to get security fixes if they sign up
to
| : automatically receive security updates."
| :
| : Oops.
| : --
| : Alias
| :
| : Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
| : Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
| : |
| : | "Santa" wrote in message
| : | ...
| : ||
| : ||
| : || |
| : || Read Closer... if you are a Pirate, you will be updated if You use
AUTO
| : || UPDATE..
| : |
| : |
| :
| :
|
|

Wow you are really funny! You think I will turn into a monster because I
justify installing MS products on my friends and family’s computers and vice
versus? Buddy I don’t know what hick town you are from but I live in
Manhattan. The last thing on my mind is a guilty concourse about installing
software. The thought actually never even crossed my mind since I saw this
thread. Your world must be very small to be thinking that someone is a
monster for doing this. I guess all my other good deeds come undone from
installing software huh? I’m really snickering. But like I don’t care either
way. Right or wrong it really doesn’t matter to me either way. I couldn’t
give a sh*t if it is or isn’t, you created and believe in your ideals, that’s
friggen great. Doesn’t make them right or wrong. They are yours not mine. It
is your theory on life. Good luck with that, i'm glad for you that you live
your life so perfectly that the worst thing you have to worry about is
copying software.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

Believing "Microsoft is a monster" does not justify theft.
The "monster" you believe Microsoft to be is also what you become if you use
that to even partly justify your actions.
Thieves also use that kind of smoke and mirrors to blur the fact that they
are plain thieves, nothing more.

Relating what you do to what you believe a "monster" does is not a good
idea.
With that kind of a standard, you often become a "monster" and not realize
it.

Your own judgement at the end of your post is a reflection of your own self.
Read your post again.

Lastly you are not a moderator of anything I know or recognize so drop the
title and ego trip.

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"Anthony" wrote in message
...
NOW we are getting somewhere. You said the magic bunch of words "If you
didn't agree with the terms you would buy a car elsewhere" That's all well
and good, and normally it is what I would do. But let's look at the facts
here. Using Linux with the devices and software I use is like a bicycle
to a
car. It is simply not an option. Linux is really the only other
alternative
if you will even call it one.
With cars and most other products there is much competiton and
alternatives. I don't like prices or brand or lease agreements there are
ten
other dealerships lining up to do business with me and work something out.
Say it with me? "Competitions are a GOOD thing" Microsoft is a monster and
I
will say it once again I am very pro Microsoft. You can refuse to believe
it
but Microsoft is no longer just a company that makes an operating system
Microsoft is computers and computers are Microsoft. With that said I
really
could not give a s**t about all of your waked out ideas of what you
believe
to be fair because people like me are the moderators of companies like
Microsoft.

And besides with out people like me, then you all couldn't feel so good
about yourselves. What do you think you are captain America because you go
to
the store and pay 70 bucks or whatever it costs to buy windows (I don't
know
ive never bought software in my life) ha.? But I bet if I knew your life's
I
could go down the list and find things you do that I find to be completely
unethical against my ethics. This is just one little part of your life
that
you decided goes against your weak minded moral principles.

So do you think we might have a 1984 action at this point, Alias? (except in
this case a company rather than the government doing the spying)

"Alias" wrote in message
...
:
: "Leythos" wrote in message
: ...
: | In article , donmcdaniel2005
: | @yahoo.com says...
: | Of course it's ok (and ethical) to install Office XP on two computers
: | -- more properly, it's ok to install the same copy of Office XP on
: | your desktop and one laptop. This is provided for in the EULA of
: | every retail version of Office XP.
: |
: | Actually, it's only permitted if there is only one user of both
: | computers. If the computer is shared with others you may not install it
: | twice - this has been the case since Office 4.x.
: |
: |
: | --
: | --
: |
:
: And must one install a web cam so MS can check who's using it or is the
: honor system used?
: --
: Alias
:
: Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
: Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
:
:

Man, that's a trip -- I grew up in Manhatten. I used to love bike riding in
Central Park, having awesome pizza, bagels and hotdogs and just finding it
amazing as how many people can live in such a small place at least in terms
of space. I now live out in the Southwest -- actually in Southern Arizona.
Actually, I never thought copying software was wrong when I was young, I have
only recently changed my opinions about it in the last decade or so. So how
is the city holding up and have they started work at Ground Zero, Anthony?

"Anthony" wrote in message
...
: Wow you are really funny! You think I will turn into a monster because I
: justify installing MS products on my friends and family's computers and
vice
: versus? Buddy I don't know what hick town you are from but I live in
: Manhattan. The last thing on my mind is a guilty concourse about installing
: software. The thought actually never even crossed my mind since I saw this
: thread. Your world must be very small to be thinking that someone is a
: monster for doing this. I guess all my other good deeds come undone from
: installing software huh? I'm really snickering. But like I don't care
either
: way. Right or wrong it really doesn't matter to me either way. I couldn't
: give a sh*t if it is or isn't, you created and believe in your ideals, that
's
: friggen great. Doesn't make them right or wrong. They are yours not mine.
It
: is your theory on life. Good luck with that, i'm glad for you that you live
: your life so perfectly that the worst thing you have to worry about is
: copying software.
:
: "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
:
: Believing "Microsoft is a monster" does not justify theft.
: The "monster" you believe Microsoft to be is also what you become if you
use
: that to even partly justify your actions.
: Thieves also use that kind of smoke and mirrors to blur the fact that
they
: are plain thieves, nothing more.
:
: Relating what you do to what you believe a "monster" does is not a good
: idea.
: With that kind of a standard, you often become a "monster" and not
realize
: it.
:
: Your own judgement at the end of your post is a reflection of your own
self.
: Read your post again.
:
: Lastly you are not a moderator of anything I know or recognize so drop
the
: title and ego trip.
:
: --
: Jupiter Jones [MVP]
: http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
:
:
: "Anthony" wrote in message
: ...
: NOW we are getting somewhere. You said the magic bunch of words "If you
: didn't agree with the terms you would buy a car elsewhere" That's all
well
: and good, and normally it is what I would do. But let's look at the
facts
: here. Using Linux with the devices and software I use is like a
bicycle
: to a
: car. It is simply not an option. Linux is really the only other
: alternative
: if you will even call it one.
: With cars and most other products there is much competiton and
: alternatives. I don't like prices or brand or lease agreements there
are
: ten
: other dealerships lining up to do business with me and work something
out.
: Say it with me? "Competitions are a GOOD thing" Microsoft is a monster
and
: I
: will say it once again I am very pro Microsoft. You can refuse to
believe
: it
: but Microsoft is no longer just a company that makes an operating
system
: Microsoft is computers and computers are Microsoft. With that said I
: really
: could not give a s**t about all of your waked out ideas of what you
: believe
: to be fair because people like me are the moderators of companies like
: Microsoft.
:
: And besides with out people like me, then you all couldn't feel so good
: about yourselves. What do you think you are captain America because you
go
: to
: the store and pay 70 bucks or whatever it costs to buy windows (I don't
: know
: ive never bought software in my life) ha.? But I bet if I knew your
life's
: I
: could go down the list and find things you do that I find to be
completely
: unethical against my ethics. This is just one little part of your life
: that
: you decided goes against your weak minded moral principles.
:
:
:

Thanks, I actually use a shredder. I live in southern Arizona. The only
information that I have been really careless about keeping safe was my
employee id number and the pin associated with it. Anyway, someone ended up
stealing this information and logging onto the cash registers at my work and
the company is now investigating to see if the individual was stealing money.
It was most likely a co-worker and a inside job. I am glad the computer told
me that there had been transactions that day because that alerted me to the
fact that my number was being used by another individual. This was actually
the second time that it happened this month. Anyway, I have a meeting with
the head of our security at our store today and if the individual is caught
then I may get a reward.

"Alias" wrote in message
...
:
: "Dan" wrote
:
: | So auto-update will work for pirated users. However, software pirates
: will
: | not have the flexibility to pick and choose their updates.
:
: Wrong. You can set AU to download but not install and then you can choose
: what you want to install. What they may not be able to get is the latest
: Windows Media Player etc.
:
: | This seems to be
: | a fair trade-off. (Still puzzles me why Microsoft wants you to
auto-update
: | and encourages it through the XP Security Center in XP SP2 --- not for
: me --
: | I can download it but I do not want anything to go on my machine if
: possible
: | without my authorization) It still angers me that users have to have
: | anti-virus programs, anti-spyware programs and anti-everything programs
to
: | make their PC's work at least okay and then the PC requires a huge time
: | commitment to maintain and then it is a smart idea not to store
: confidential
: | information on the PC in case it is hacked into. I for one do not use
: | on-line banking due to the risk of the account being hacked. Stupid
Crazy
: | F___ing stealing people's identity. I almost think they should bring
back
: | the guilitine for people like these.
:
: Actually, ID theft is not very common on the Net. In fact, online banking
: has decreased it because you can check to see if anything funny is going on
: anytime you want without waiting for your monthly statement. Most ID theft
: comes in the real world by people looking through your mail box or trash.
If
: you're paranoid about ID theft, get a shredder and use your online banking
: to check to make sure your balance is what you think it is.
: --
: Alias
:
: Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
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: |
: | "Alias" wrote in message
: | ...
: | :
: | : "Tom Pepper Willett" wrote in message
: | : ...
: | : | Guess what? That's about to change:
: | : | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6868504/
: | :
: | : Same article that states:
: | :
: | : "By mid-2005, the program will become mandatory for Windows users to
get
: | : virtually all updates, including security fixes available through the
: | : company's Windows Update Web site. But users who have pirated copies of
: | : Windows will be able to continue to get security fixes if they sign up
: to
: | : automatically receive security updates."
: | :
: | : Oops.
: | : --
: | : Alias
: | :
: | : Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email
me.
: | : Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
: | : |
: | : | "Santa" wrote in message
: | : | ...
: | : ||
: | : ||
: | : || |
: | : || Read Closer... if you are a Pirate, you will be updated if You use
: AUTO
: | : || UPDATE..
: | : |
: | : |
: | :
: | :
: |
: |
:
:

Thanks for the PC World article, Alias. It was interesting and informative.
BTW, I noticied that 98, 98SE and ME are not going to be checked and yet
Microsoft still will support them until 30 June 2006 with critical updates
through Windows Update. I wonder why Microsoft would not want to protect
their older operating systems as well. Finally, I hope Microsoft decides to
sell their 9x source code to the open source community after the final
support phase is done because I would like to see some real competition to
the NT source code of 2000 and XP and I think the 9x source code would be an
excellent candidate. It could also be a good pr move for Microsoft.

"Alias" wrote in message
...
:
: "Leythos" wrote
:
: | You've not shown how activation impacts legal owners.
:
: It doesn't if they use AU because MS hasn't figured out how to put ActiveX
: on AU -- yet. If you want to go to the WU site, yes, it puts you through
: hoops such as using ActiveX and IE. You will have to type your Product Key
: and prove it is legit software.
:
: | You've not shown how pirates are going to get around it - DUH.
:
: | --
: |
:
: Using AU, of course. BTW, cracked XPs don't need to be activated and can
: also use AU. PC World has a good article on this he
:
: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119458,00.asp
: --
: Alias
:
: Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
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:

Dan wrote:
Thanks for the PC World article, Alias. It was interesting and informative.
BTW, I noticied that 98, 98SE and ME are not going to be checked and yet
Microsoft still will support them until 30 June 2006 with critical updates
through Windows Update. I wonder why Microsoft would not want to protect
their older operating systems as well. Finally, I hope Microsoft decides to
sell their 9x source code to the open source community after the final
support phase is done because I would like to see some real competition to
the NT source code of 2000 and XP and I think the 9x source code would be an
excellent candidate. It could also be a good pr move for Microsoft.

The 98 code base has little to do with NT or 2000, it would not make a
good base for anything except single user non-networked systems with
little need to connect to anything.



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Then why doesn't Microsoft sell off the 98 code base (9x code) after the
final support is done if it is mostly worthless.

"Leythos" wrote in message
...
: Dan wrote:
: Thanks for the PC World article, Alias. It was interesting and
informative.
: BTW, I noticied that 98, 98SE and ME are not going to be checked and yet
: Microsoft still will support them until 30 June 2006 with critical
updates
: through Windows Update. I wonder why Microsoft would not want to protect
: their older operating systems as well. Finally, I hope Microsoft decides
to
: sell their 9x source code to the open source community after the final
: support phase is done because I would like to see some real competition
to
: the NT source code of 2000 and XP and I think the 9x source code would be
an
: excellent candidate. It could also be a good pr move for Microsoft.
:
: The 98 code base has little to do with NT or 2000, it would not make a
: good base for anything except single user non-networked systems with
: little need to connect to anything.
:
:
:
: --
:
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http://news.com.com/Sun+warms+to+ope...3-5550457.html

Sun is now opening its patents to the open-source community. The article
also states that Microsoft will fight with the open-source community in
regards to the use of its patents. This makes me wonder if Microsoft is
living in unreality and fighting a losing battle regarding consumer demand.

"David Candy" . wrote in message
...
But alias is right. It is a US thing. The US government is busy coercing
other countries into adopting US law. In Australia, copyright holders were
just given a 20 year free extension of copyright (from 50 years after death
to 70 years) at the instigation of the US government.

Remember IP is anti capitalist. MS is attempting to become the rentiers
rather than capitalists. Capitalism replaced rents and the system was called
feudal. That why marxist don't rail against rentiers, we thought they were
long gone.

IP is only a legal fiction that rentiers use to extort money from others. IP
is actually a crime of theft.
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Your feeble attempts to justify theft are noted and likely reflective on
you.

People work hard for their intellectual property just as others do in other
fields.
They deserve to be paid what they ask or the buyer simply chooses to go
elsewhere same as other fields.

I suppose you take charity, fruits of others efforts and contribute
nothing?
Or do you sell a product or service and yet seem to deny others the same
simply because it is intellectual property?
Good of you to judge that others can't sell at a fair price something you
are unable to provide for yourself.
Perhaps we should arbitrarily let others steal whatever you have with no
punishment even if caught!

--
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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote
:
: Please show a source that shows the Spanish courst supporting "people
: copying friends' software" as fair use.
:
: --
: Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www.bufetalmeida.com/sentencias/sentencias.html

Gotta be able to read Spanish, though, as I am not going to translate it
for
you. Babelfish will give you an idea, though. Yaknow, the rest of the
world
isn't as rich as the USA, nor is it as anal about intellectual property
rights, especially with software rip off houses that are obscenely rich
from
selling their overpriced software. Some would call the software houses
attempts to stop "piracy" as "greedy" but YMMV.
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: "Alias" wrote

: More like the high prices give rise to pirtated versions being
profitable
: and people copying friends' software because they can't afford to pay
MS'
: high prices. Some people call using pirated versions due to economic
: necesity stealing, others, like the Spanish courts, call that fair
use.
: The
: reason MS charges so much has nothing to do with piracy and everything
to
: do
: with "because they can".
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:
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:
:
:

Dan wrote:
Then why doesn't Microsoft sell off the 98 code base (9x code) after the
final support is done if it is mostly worthless.

For the same reason that Apple doesn't sell off it's code base for the
pre-OS/X systems. For the same reason that many vendors don't sell off
the code they developed - it cuts into sales of future products.

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On 26 Jan 2005 18:19:16 -0800, wrote:

First Truth:
Second Truth:
Third Truth:

What you ***ACTUALLY*** said, coincides with my feelings on the
subject exactly.

Regards,
T

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:01:56 +0100, "Alias"
wrote:

BTW, cracked XPs don't need to be activated and can
also use AU. PC World has a good article on this he

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119458,00.asp

Fantastic article Alias. Goes along with some of the tech discussion
groups and interviews I have been seeing on the network news lately
which is what I base my information on instead of the MisQuoters on
the NG's.

I called my PC maker and asked him to give me some URL's where people
go to get illegit copies of software so I could see all this for
myself. He gave me around 15 but I only had to goto the first 2 to
see that anyone can download a copy of XP (any versions) that does not
require any activation what so ever. In other words, it doesn't even
ask so a fake activation isn't even needed. I had assumed that they
had fake activation codes but they have gone beyond that now to having
hacked copies of XP that don't even ask to be activated.

Regards,
T

No, they're going to use the fingerprint readers. Will you please try to
keep up with the rest of the class?

Alias wrote:


And must one install a web cam so MS can check who's using it or is the
honor system used?