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Pirated XP, means-test everyone and every product with "income
"Linda B" wrote in
: Dude, you completely missed my point. I don't argue that it's not wrong, I'm just saying when people on these NGs call it "immoral" or "unethical," they're stepping over a line. I know I'm arguing semantics here, but to pretend like installing an illegal copy of Windows XP is tantamount to murder or rape (or anything else that actually *could* be argued is immoral) is just pure myopia. If you want to argue that it's illegal, I ain't arguing. If you want to argue that it's unethical, then I have a bone to pick. OK, last I checked a copy of Windows XP Home cost $179.94. You believe going into a store and stealing merchandise worth $180 is ethical? You believe it's moral? Your values are very different from mine.... |
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Pirated XP, means-test everyone and every product with "income
"Linda B" wrote in message ... | Alias, you are needlessly confrontational, but you have a good point -- | buying one copy of the OS and installing it on all five of my hypothetical | computers at home is doing Microsoft no harm whatsoever. | | Wish I'd thought of that in my previous posts with Leythos... | | --LB | | ps - bait and switch? scam? melodrama, my friend... melodrama. The license idea is a scam. You never really own what you buy. You buy a right to use it under MS's conditions. If that isn't a scam and highway robbery, I don't know what is. Next, you won't even be able to have the CD. You will have a subscription to Word, Outlook, etc. that you can only use on the web. Outlook is going for 59.95 a year and is being offered first to Hotmail accounts. Have you got your "Passport, product key and licence" so you can use your computer yet? Yeah, bait and switch. Most people don't even know an EULA exists and assume for some reason that when they buy something like a car, house, ring, watch or software that it is theirs and they are free to use them as the see fit. MS and Adobe are the prime offenders and others are getting into the scam. This is not to say that all software makers are rip off artists. My daughter has all the Tombraider games and none of them have an EULA and all of them can be installed on as many computers I can own without activation or agreeing to a rip off "license to use". Why doesn't Microsoft say Rent our Software and, instead, they say, Buy our Software? Bait and switch? -- Alias Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me. Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail. | | "Alias" wrote in message | ... | | "Leythos" wrote in message | ... | | In article , | | says... | | While I do agree that pirating software of any kind is not a good | thing, | and | | obviously punishable by law, I hear entirely too much talk on these | forums | | of it being "immoral." Give me a break. It's software. If you want | to | | fight for righteousness, | | | | I take it that you don't really work for a living, that you've never | | sold a product that you owned or made yourself. | | | | Wait till you start spreading that BS thinner and applying it to other | | things - software is a work, so is a car, | | More than one person can use the same car and you own it, not have a | licence | to use it. | | | so is a house, | | See above. | | | so is a watch | | or a ring. | | See above, all are absurd comparisons. When we can really buy the software | and use it as we see fit, your comparisons are valid. | | | There is no real difference in stealing from a big company | | than a little company. | | | | -- | | -- | | | | Really? How about BUYING the product and using it on all of one's | computers. | How is that stealing, using your examples above? Requiring licenses is | stealing and a complete bait and switch, aka a SCAM. | -- | Alias | | Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me. | Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail. | | | | |
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Pirated XP, means-test everyone and every product with "income
"Linda B" wrote in
: Alias, you are needlessly confrontational, but you have a good point -- buying one copy of the OS and installing it on all five of my hypothetical computers at home is doing Microsoft no harm whatsoever. If you bought the required five copies, they'd sell four copies more. How do you figure you've done them "no harm whatsoever"? You've stolen an amount of money equal to the price of those four copies, if you can justify that in your own mind fine but you'd still be a thief. |
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Pirated XP, means-test everyone and every product with "income
"XS11E" wrote in message ... | "Linda B" wrote in | : | | Dude, you completely missed my point. I don't argue that it's not | wrong, I'm just saying when people on these NGs call it "immoral" | or "unethical," they're stepping over a line. I know I'm arguing | semantics here, but to pretend like installing an illegal copy of | Windows XP is tantamount to murder or rape (or anything else that | actually *could* be argued is immoral) is just pure myopia. | | If you want to argue that it's illegal, I ain't arguing. If you | want to argue that it's unethical, then I have a bone to pick. | | OK, last I checked a copy of Windows XP Home cost $179.94. What a rip off! Highway robbery! Stealing from a captive market! | You believe going into a store and stealing merchandise worth $180 is | ethical? You believe it's moral? Bad comparison. We are talking about using software we BOUGHT and using it AS WE SEE FIT. | Your values are very different from mine.... Your logic is different than mine and I would appreciate it if you would keep your xtian morality out of it, along with your high moral horse. -- Alias Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me. Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail. | |
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Pirated XP, means-test everyone and every product with "income
"XS11E" wrote in message .. . | "Linda B" wrote in | : | | Alias, you are needlessly confrontational, but you have a good | point -- buying one copy of the OS and installing it on all five | of my hypothetical computers at home is doing Microsoft no harm | whatsoever. | | If you bought the required five copies, they'd sell four copies more. | How do you figure you've done them "no harm whatsoever"? You've stolen | an amount of money equal to the price of those four copies, if you can | justify that in your own mind fine but you'd still be a thief. You are assuming that the licence scam is ethical. You're wrong. It's unethical and, well, it's larceny, grand larceny at that. Before activation, all the MS OS's could be copied at will and installed on any computer, right? Did that make MS the poorest corporation in the world? Or are they the OS monopoly of the world and filthy rich? -- Alias Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me. Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail. |
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Pirated XP, means-test everyone and every product with "income
Again, I do not view this siutation as black or white. This is a common
problem today, where people tend to view any given situation as either right or wrong, and lack the intellectual capacity to grasp the subtleties of a gray area (example: George W. Bush, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms). Yes, I agree that walking into a store and walking out with a piece of software is stealing, but I also feel it's outrageous that, should I want to install that same piece of software on five different computers, I am required to pay $1000 for the luxury. That is also stealing, in my humble opinion. Another issue is that the software in question is "worth" $180, as you opine below. "XS11E" wrote in message ... "Linda B" wrote in : Dude, you completely missed my point. I don't argue that it's not wrong, I'm just saying when people on these NGs call it "immoral" or "unethical," they're stepping over a line. I know I'm arguing semantics here, but to pretend like installing an illegal copy of Windows XP is tantamount to murder or rape (or anything else that actually *could* be argued is immoral) is just pure myopia. If you want to argue that it's illegal, I ain't arguing. If you want to argue that it's unethical, then I have a bone to pick. OK, last I checked a copy of Windows XP Home cost $179.94. You believe going into a store and stealing merchandise worth $180 is ethical? You believe it's moral? Your values are very different from mine.... |
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Pirated XP, means-test everyone and every product with "income
See my earlier posts if you require explanation. Or don't; I certainly
don't care. "XS11E" wrote in message .. . "Linda B" wrote in : Alias, you are needlessly confrontational, but you have a good point -- buying one copy of the OS and installing it on all five of my hypothetical computers at home is doing Microsoft no harm whatsoever. If you bought the required five copies, they'd sell four copies more. How do you figure you've done them "no harm whatsoever"? You've stolen an amount of money equal to the price of those four copies, if you can justify that in your own mind fine but you'd still be a thief. |
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Pirated XP, means-test everyone and every product with "income
"Leythos" wrote in message ... | In article , | says... | You are assuming that the licence scam is ethical. You're wrong. It's | unethical and, well, it's larceny, grand larceny at that. Before activation, | | Actually, it's completely ethical - if you want to use their software, | and nothing is holding a gun to your head - you must agree to the terms | of the license. Again, you don't have to use their software at all, and | there are very viable alternatives for those that don't use it. Not really without going through a learning curve ordeal with Linux, although it is a growing movement. I wonder why. | | all the MS OS's could be copied at will and installed on any computer, | right? Did that make MS the poorest corporation in the world? Or are they | the OS monopoly of the world and filthy rich? | | Again, they could NOT be copied and installed at will, just because they | didn't have activation in early releases does not indicate that the | software was free for use to anyone that could obtain a copy through any | means. The one install of an OS has always been a restrictions, back | even in the DOS days. You mean MS didn't want them copied and so stated in their EULA. They could be copied and any product key would work. Nonetheless, even with millions, if not billions, of illegal copies being used, MS became filthy and obscenely rich. How do you explain that? | | What does the richness of the producer have to do with the ethical | decision to steal their product? Nothing unless they steal to get rich through scams like the EULA's. | MS is not a monopoly, ask any Linux, Unix, SCO, BSD user if they have to | get permission from MS to run their software on their PC's / Servers. Not a monopoly? Please, don't insult my intelligence. I have well visited web sites and 99% of the people who visit use an MS OS. How many computers are sold with Linux installed vs. MS? Pull the other one, chum, it has bells on it. | You're all wet, you don't have a valid argument for stealing products. | -- | Your opinion. We are going to have to agree to disagree it seems, what with your being so over righteous and pure and moral and ethical in your defence of one of the most profitable scams in the history of mankind since deficit spending. It must be lonely to be so lily white and perfect. -- Alias Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me. Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail. |
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Pirated XP, means-test everyone and every product with "income
"Leythos" wrote in message ... | In article , | says... | Alias, you are needlessly confrontational, but you have a good point -- | buying one copy of the OS and installing it on all five of my hypothetical | computers at home is doing Microsoft no harm whatsoever. | | Wrong, if it has benefit to you, then you determined that it was a | useful product, and as it's also a licensed product that you are | required to purchase in order to be properly licensed, you are harming | the vendor - you are taking tangible substance from their pocket by your | unlicensed use of their product. | | -- | -- | | (Remove 999 to reply to me) The "required to purchase" phrase is an interesting one. The licence, a non portable property, is a scam, and a highly profitable one and one can understand why the scammer wouldn't be happy with people who don't play the game. Course, the licence or whatever you want to call it, has not been successfully brought to court in the States and the country where I live in has -- repeatedly -- disagreed with MS and you and has passed judgment, time and time again, saying copying for personal use is -- get this -- NOT STEALING and legal. Want urls for the judgments? In the end you're just being a brown-nosing shill for the scammers, hiding behind false ethics and righteous moral indignation. -- Alias Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me. Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail. |
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Pirated XP, means-test everyone and every product with "income
"Leythos" wrote in message ... | In article , | says... | More than one person can use the same car and you own it, not have a licence | to use it. | | And nowhere in the owners manual does it say that it can only be used by | one person. In fact, owning a car and driving it have nothing to do with | a drivers license, although it's illegal (by law, not by car vendor) to | drive without a drivers license. Huh? Own. Licence to use. Car. XP. Going too fast for you? How about your watch and ring example? Make more sense to you? | | You analogy does not fit, not even close. | | -- | -- | No, you don't understand it. -- Alias Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me. Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail. |
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"Linda B" wrote in
: See my earlier posts if you require explanation. Or don't; I certainly don't care. Why would I care that you're a thief? |
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Pirated XP, means-test everyone and every product with "income
I change jobs often I am in IT and like many other consultants to get a big
raise you have to keep switching jobs. Most consulting company’s will only want/view resumes word format and if you save them in WordPad they do not show up correctly because MS word is the standard viewer for them. If your resume comes up all botched because it was done in a different program it most likely will be over looked because of the difficulty to read it. I am PRO MS but I can also admit they are intertwined in our world like cancer and are a necessity for me and millions of others. I say it is you that has a lower standard of ethics. You allow a large company that has monopolized the industry continue to ask whatever they want for a product because people like me cant submit a resume without it (Just an example of many things that makes MS products a must have to put a benze in my driveway). Just because you feel that because what you are told to do is “right” IS the right thing to do, doesn’t mean you are right or a more ethical person. You are a sheep and you like your world to be black and white so you can wake up in the morning feeling like “Hey im sure a great guy I don’t steal software” When in fact I feel that if I buy something it is MINE and if my friend wants to use MY cd that I BOUGHT on his computer SURE I BOUGHT IT. You are so scared to think outside of your comfortable box it is scary and amusing at the same time. Let’s say I open up a car dealership in a small town, nobody in this town owns a car and I am the only dealership for miles. You buy a car from me and I say “Hey buddy you are not aloud to drive other people around in the car you bought because if they use your car then they get free rides and they may not buy a car of there own” Lol and you would listen to him because you would be like “well oklie doklie that was the agreement” Who are you Ned flanders?! Like I said to me, It is people like you because of your rock throwing and ideas of “ethics” that are actually allowing the bigger dogs to lower there ethics. Wake up, Stop trying to argue and start realizing that whoa, you may actually be wrong on this one. This post applies to who it fits. |
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I change jobs often I am in IT and like many other consultants to get a big
raise you have to keep switching jobs. Most consulting company’s will only want/view resumes word format and if you save them in WordPad they do not show up correctly because MS word is the standard viewer for them. If your resume comes up all botched because it was done in a different program it most likely will be over looked because of the difficulty to read it. I am PRO MS but I can also admit they are intertwined in our world like cancer and are a necessity for me and millions of others. I say it is you that has a lower standard of ethics. You allow a large company that has monopolized the industry continue to ask whatever they want for a product because people like me cant submit a resume without it (Just an example of many things that makes MS products a must have to put a benze in my driveway). Just because you feel that because what you are told to do is “right” IS the right thing to do, doesn’t mean you are right or a more ethical person. You are a sheep and you like your world to be black and white so you can wake up in the morning feeling like “Hey im sure a great guy I don’t steal software” When in fact I feel that if I buy something it is MINE and if my friend wants to use MY cd that I BOUGHT on his computer SURE I BOUGHT IT. You are so scared to think outside of your comfortable box it is scary and amusing at the same time. Let’s say I open up a car dealership in a small town, nobody in this town owns a car and I am the only dealership for miles. You buy a car from me and I say “Hey buddy you are not aloud to drive other people around in the car you bought because if they use your car then they get free rides and they may not buy a car of there own” Lol and you would listen to him because you would be like “well oklie doklie that was the agreement” Who are you Ned flanders?! Like I said to me, It is people like you because of your rock throwing and ideas of “ethics” that are actually allowing the bigger dogs to lower there ethics. Wake up, Stop trying to argue and start realizing that whoa, you may actually be wrong on this one. This post applies to who it fits. |
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