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Keith Nuttle wrote in news:nh75pd$13ca$1
@gioia.aioe.org: On 5/14/2016 6:20 AM, DMP wrote: On 5/13/2016 8:15 PM, Drew wrote: I find bootup and shutdown much faster, however, I am using a local account with most of its enhancements that phone home turned off. I have never had the PC crash and the OS has run flawlessly. I don't think the upgrade was necessary and would have stayed with 8.1 but the price was right. D. I have a fully updated Windows 8.1 computer. I upgraded to Windows 10 in the weeks after it came out, but reverted to Windows 8.1. Now after many of the bugs have been worked out of Windows 10 I would like to try again. As I understand there are two ways to upgrade. One where Windows 10 installs over Windows 8.1, this would preserve all of the current drivers on the computer. The other option is a clean install. If I go for a clean install, will the installer find the proper drivers for my computer, or will I have to locate them all as part of the installation and manually install them. I want to spend the minimal time in upgrading. If you are upgrading from 8.1 you do not want to do a clean install. If you do, your Win10 will not authenticate, and you will be forced to either revert or purchase a Win10 license. As far as I know, the correct path is to upgrade 8.1 to 10, get it authenicated, and then do a clean install of Win10 if that is what you want. You will then need to contact Microsoft and tell them that you had an authenticated version of Win10, but had to do a clean install. They should be able to then authenticate your clean install. Google Win10 clean install for more info. |
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On Sat, 14 May 2016 11:00:42 -0400, DMP wrote:
IMHO, t's always better to clean install with a new OS; I strongly disagree. A clean installation (with all the effort of installing all your applications, and configuring Windows and the applications the way you want them) is much more work, and takes much longer. And most of the time, upgrading works fine, without problems. However, two points: 1. Upgrading usually works fine, but doesn't always, so before starting the upgrade, you should always be prepared to redo the installation cleanly if necessary; make sure that you have all the data backups, application installation CDs, and anything else you need for a clean installation. 2. The one time you should avoid upgrading and do a clean installation instead is when you are having problems. Despite the hope and expectation many people have that upgrading will solve the problems, upgrading is more likely to worsen the problems than to solve them. |
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On 14/05/2016 19:34, Tim wrote:
If you are upgrading from 8.1 you do not want to do a clean install. If you do, your Win10 will not authenticate, and you will be forced to either revert or purchase a Win10 license. This is not quite correct. If your Windws 8.1 is already stored in Bios (Most OEMs shipping Windows 8/8.1 were required to store the serial number in Bios) then it will activate without any problems. However, even if the serial number is not stored in BIOS, it is still possible to do a clean install. To do this, follow the online instructions at the time of installation and choose the option to delete everything including your files and windows will make sure it has all the necessary info required to install Windows 10 and to activate it. I did this on a Windows 7 machine where the serial number wasn't stored in the BIOS but it was still possible to do the cean install. As far as I know, the correct path is to upgrade 8.1 to 10, get it authenicated, and then do a clean install of Win10 if that is what you want. You will then need to contact Microsoft and tell them that you had an authenticated version of Win10, but had to do a clean install. They should be able to then authenticate your clean install. Google Win10 clean install for more info. your info is a bit outdated so perhaps you need to try installing using the latest Windows 10 (1511). |
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On 05/13/16 17:15, Drew so wittily quipped:
Curious and considering it. Recent custom build with Intel core 17 4790, 16 gigs of ram, 256 gig ssd for c:, 2tb drive for docs and such. Also using several externals for backups and other storage. On this type of system where 8.1 seems to run well and very fast. The question is would win 10 be the same or better? Currently running win 10 on 2 other machines that belong to the wife and she likes it. I understand people not wanting to lose win 7 and also for the "other" generation that does not have the ability or want to change. SERIOUSLY? "does not want to change" - that sounds very very very arrogant of you. Oh, Nemesis... where ARE you? looking to start a flame war but I have noticed that there has been a huge drop off in posts on alt.comp.os.windows-8 since 10 came out. that's because MOST of the shift to 10 comes from "Ape". They look so much alike after all... |
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On 05/13/16 18:25, Good Guy so wittily quipped:
On 14/05/2016 02:09, Ron wrote: Not if you like using Windows Media Center. What is Media Center? How do you use it in business to make profits? Can a Tax/Accounting practise use it? what about employee productivity? does it go up or down by using Media Center? you really ARE an clueless asshole, aren't you? Would you like a CLUEBAT applied to the seat of knowledge? Or how about a CAT5-o-9-tails - I got some laying about, gladly will apply them as needed. In PERSON even! |
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On 05/14/16 02:28, Ken Springer so wittily quipped:
On 5/13/16 6:58 PM, Paul wrote: Do not rely on the "reversion" capability of Win10 installations, to get back to the Win8.1 qualifying OS. Tiny details will get missed if you do that. If you make a backup first, however, everything gets put back the way you had it. +1 I work 9 hr./wk at a PC shop, and we see people bringing in their systems where the reversion from 10 to X has not gone well. not surprised. even within the 30 days, sometimes it gets screwed up [seen too many horror stories online already]. |
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On 05/13/16 21:31, Tim so wittily quipped:
Drew wrote in : Curious and considering it. Recent custom build with Intel core 17 4790, 16 gigs of ram, 256 gig ssd for c:, 2tb drive for docs and such. Also using several externals for backups and other storage. On this type of system where 8.1 seems to run well and very fast. The question is would win 10 be the same or better? I am not a fan of some of the new features, but on my system Win10 seems to run faster than 8.1 did. interestingly enough, this has been measured. Win-10-nic is still a bit slower than 7 and XP, though, from the measurement results I've seen. And made. SPINNY drives have the worst comparison, since Win-10-nic seems to be a bit unfriendlier to them. Too much registry crap compared to earlier versions, WAY slows things down due to internally 'paranoid' cacheing like "I gotta re-re-re-re-read that AGAIN because it *might* have changed, even though that's impossible". I'm pretty sure that with the registry, THAT is happening [which is why an SSD makes such a huge difference, even though it shouldn't be THAT huge, because spinny disks have latency due to the 'spinning' thing, and I'm right about the 'paranoid cacheing']. |
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On 05/14/16 00:34, Paul so wittily quipped:
There are some benchmarks here, which cover more areas than I'd be able to cover. What I really want to see, is this suite run on a dual core processor, because I feel the dual core highlights the details of the OSes better. http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-...-vs-windows-7/ when I saw that they compared 8 and 7 and said '8 was on par, and sometimes a little faster' I just about fell off the chair. EVERY! OTHER! MEASUREMENT! I! HAVE! SEEN! (and made myself) shows that for some rather CRITICAL timings [like application load times], "Ape" is a LOT slower than 7. THIS page, however, was consistent with that: http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-...s-7/page3.html where it matters - APPLICATION PERFORMANCE [like I mentioned already] is SLOWER in "Ape", but about the same between 7 and 10, with 10 being "slightly slower" than 7, with the interesting exception of firefox... 10 was slower than 8, which was slower than 7. IE11 was the exception, being slower on 7 than 8 or 10, and WAY slower than their new 'edge' (not surprising since MS browsers *SUCK*) (they're disk performance did NOT compare any 'spinny' drives, interestingly enough, so it was pointless to proceed) in any case, things that matter and frustrate people the MOST are "application slowness" issues, and NOT 'all that other ****' that makes the BENCHMARK FANS cream their jeans. In fact, you could build an adaptor or software or even an operating system "to pass the test with flying colors", and YET have it COMPLETELY SUCK with REAL WORLD performance. it happens, AND has been written about more than once. In short, I think my observations stand: 7's performance (overall) is faster than "Ape", and slightly faster than Win-10-nic. And that would be based on USER PERCEPTION, which makes the BIGGEST difference in the OS and platform that people choose. incidentally - the 2D FLUGLY affects USER PERCEPTION also, which is why 7 machines (up until October of 2014) *FLEW* off of the shelves when compared to "Ape" machines, because the PERCEPTION was that 7 is, just, BETTER than "Ape". And Win-10-nic is like APE with spyware, adware, forced updates, yotta yotta. Micro-shaft HAS to give it away! Otherwise, who would BUY it [except fanbois] ??? |
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On 05/13/16 22:02, Mr. Man-wai Chang so wittily quipped:
On 14/05/2016 8:15 AM, Drew wrote: I understand people not wanting to lose win 7 and also for the "other" generation that does not have the ability or want to change.... This belief enable Window$ 7 to be sold at higher prices. funny, I bought a 7 machine recently for $150 and it's a dual core 3Ghz Lenovo running 7 Pro 64-bit. "higher prices" indeed... How about USER PREFERENCE because "Ape" and Win-10-nic *SUCK* by comparison to 7??? |
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On 05/14/16 10:01, pjp so wittily quipped:
In article , says... Keith Nuttle wrote: On 5/14/2016 6:20 AM, DMP wrote: On 5/13/2016 8:15 PM, Drew wrote: I find bootup and shutdown much faster, however, I am using a local account with most of its enhancements that phone home turned off. I have never had the PC crash and the OS has run flawlessly. I don't think the upgrade was necessary and would have stayed with 8.1 but the price was right. D. I have a fully updated Windows 8.1 computer. I upgraded to Windows 10 in the weeks after it came out, but reverted to Windows 8.1. Now after many of the bugs have been worked out of Windows 10 I would like to try again. As I understand there are two ways to upgrade. One where Windows 10 installs over Windows 8.1, this would preserve all of the current drivers on the computer. The other option is a clean install. If I go for a clean install, will the installer find the proper drivers for my computer, or will I have to locate them all as part of the installation and manually install them. I want to spend the minimal time in upgrading. I just installed Win10 here a couple hours ago (test install), and I went to Device Manager and asked it to "Update" the driver for a device in there. It can search online for a driver. It's only if it cannot find a driver, you have to dredge for it yourself. For example, no OS was able to find the driver for my PCI Express parallel port card. So that will be extra work, when I get around to it. The OS is otherwise fully functional. And the Win10 DVD did install the Basic Display Adapter for my 7950 video card (a card with no Win10 driver). That's the fallback driver, when no manufacturer driver is available. An attempt to search for a driver, of course it failed. The Win10 screen in this case, will be staying at 1024x768, as that is all the Basic Display Adapter offers for resolution. Even if your screen is 1920x1080, it runs at 1024x768 (ugly). That's my problem with two different pcs more than capable of running Win10 EXCEPT for video. One's a nVidia 6800 the other an ATI 4650. Neither company appears to plan on providing any updated driver for either video card. of course not. Welcome to the world of Micro-shaft non-backward-compatibility! [I had this happen when I put 7 on an XP laptop, which had an S3 Verge adapter, supported by XP, Linux, and FreeBSD, but not by 7. But I needed 7 on it for work reasons so I just won't be able to play any videos on it, and must use the 'generic' VESA adaptor without any of the video performance boosts]. I am NOT going to buy a new video card just for an OS, especially when they run all the games I want to play just fine as is. I also don't want to loose multi-monitor setup on one and a functioning composite TV-OUT to a TV on the other. Both cases I assume would not work after upgrade. ACK on that. Micro-shaft stopped their backward compatibility support some time ago, seems like, and isn't interested in starting it back up again. Computers last a LOT longer these days than they used to. 15 year old computers still work "just fine" in fact, if you don't need super high performance. Just upgrade the RAM and hard drive, and you're good to go at 2Ghz or whatever. And the new inefficiencies of the "new" operating systems makes the performance difference "that much less" than before. And don't forget, on a LAPTOP, you can't just "change the adaptor". |
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Big Bad Bob wrote on 05/15/2016 3:54 PM:
S3 Verge adapter Microsoft designed and built Verge adapters and wrote the XP code ? -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
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On 05/15/16 15:53, . . .winston so wittily quipped:
Big Bad Bob wrote on 05/15/2016 3:54 PM: S3 Verge adapter Microsoft designed and built Verge adapters and wrote the XP code ? don't know, except that the XP driver won't work in 7. And it's *OLD* and nobody wants to support old hardware, regardless of how FUNCTIONAL it still is. |
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Big Bad Bob wrote on 05/15/2016 9:24 PM:
On 05/15/16 15:53, . . .winston so wittily quipped: Big Bad Bob wrote on 05/15/2016 3:54 PM: S3 Verge adapter Microsoft designed and built Verge adapters and wrote the XP code ? don't know, except that the XP driver won't work in 7. And it's *OLD* and nobody wants to support old hardware, regardless of how FUNCTIONAL it still is. Won't be the first XP driver that didn't work on 7, though doubtful MSFT was responsible for creating the driver. More likely the hardware manufacturer chose not to do so on multiple fronts - release, submit to MSFT for certification, etc. Doesn't sound like a MSFT backward non-compatibility issue. -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
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On 5/13/2016 5:15 PM, Drew wrote:
Curious and considering it. Recent custom build with Intel core 17 4790, 16 gigs of ram, 256 gig ssd for c:, 2tb drive for docs and such. Also using several externals for backups and other storage. On this type of system where 8.1 seems to run well and very fast. The question is would win 10 be the same or better? Currently running win 10 on 2 other machines that belong to the wife and she likes it. I understand people not wanting to lose win 7 and also for the "other" generation that does not have the ability or want to change. I am not looking to start a flame war but I have noticed that there has been a huge drop off in posts on alt.comp.os.windows-8 since 10 came out. Full image of Win 8.1 as well as verified any previous backups. Took the plunge on Saturday evening. Win 10 is taking a bit to get it the way 8.1 was (setup, personalizing etc). I run Tbird so mail is not a problem, Mostly use Firefox but will probably mess around with edge to see if I can make it useable. So far and overall it appears to be snappy just like 8.1 was on this particular machine. I have seen many that hate 10 and many that hated 8.1. All love or at least like win 7. I understand that as I still use that on other machines and it is better out of the box than xp was to start with. (...and here we go!) Let the flood gates open and we will see if and who really remembers! |
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