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On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:05:03 -0500, Silver Slimer
wrote: I absolutely want to remove Thunderbird and replace it but I have no idea what newsreader to use instead. Try Forte Agent, which I like a lot. It comes with a 30-day free trial, so you don't have to pay for it ($29) until you decide whether or not you like it. |
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On 2/19/2014 10:48 AM, Juan Wei wrote:
Paul has written on 2/19/2014 12:43 AM: Adam Kubias wrote: On 2014-02-18 8:48 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:04:55 -0500, Silver Slimer wrote: On 18/02/2014 5:33 PM, Adam Kubias wrote: I have an even better computer. i7-4770 @3.40 GHz with 32 GB RAM. Thunderbird is slow as hell, at least 5 times a day it totally freezes. Holy ****. It freezes on THAT kind of a configuration? Jesus Christ it's worse than awful isn't it? You're assuming that Thunderbird is the one and only application ever running on that system. That sort of assumes facts not in evidence, as a lawyer buddy is fond of saying. Without knowing what else is running, you can't come to a conclusion WRT Thunderbird. Just posting this message takes 138 MB RAM. It's kind of a resource hog. Just posting this message, takes 321MB of RAM. But, there's a good reason for that. My biggest .msf file is 48MB. All the .msf files are open right now, and held in memory. That's the memory consumption. The fewer or smaller the .msf, the smaller the memory footprint. I can clean up the .msf files. If I delete .msf and .dat for each newsgroup, they'll be re-created. And they will be smaller (as only the current articles on the server, will define the file content). My 48MB .msf, contains the headers of the last five years of the newsgroup in question. Those could be safely tossed. I would be able to significantly reduce the 321MB figure that way. ******* Another option, is recent versions of Thunderbird have a timer set to five minutes, which closes unused .msf/.dat pairs. So if you have newsgroups in your list, which you have not accessed in the last five minutes, that amount of RAM won't be needed. These are supposed to be the entries in Configuration Editor, that control the behavior. The 300000 number is milliseconds, or five minutes. mail.db.idle_limit 300000 mail.db.max_open ******* Of course, a news client doesn't have to be designed this way. Years ago, on a Unix box, I used a news client that kept only an .rc file (keeps high_water, low_water, and tracks articles which have been read, a string of numbers). The .rc file is tiny, perhaps half a megabyte at the time. No record at all is kept for each newsgroup. So the .msf/.dat pairs are totally unneeded. Of course, the .msf/.dat pairs on Thunderbird, are capable of keeping more history than the event horizon of the news server, and you can debate whether that's an essential feature or not. If I click on an old article in there, it doesn't load, because it's no longer on the server. All I can see is headers of messages, not the bodies. You can debate whether the feature set of Thunderbird is wise, but the memory consumption can be traced to how you're using it. There are people who never clean mail folders, who use 2GB of RAM, but that's their fault. The reason the files are kept in memory, is a performance trade-off. On a slow computer, the initial parsing time for a large .msf might be significant. The design decision is to keep it in RAM. My experience here on my processor, is that isn't an issue. If the files were not kept in memory, it would only slow things down a little bit. If I was running on a 300MHz Celeron, I would think otherwise. I would load the newsgroups once in the morning, and go make coffee while it happened. If I set mail.db.max_open to "1", I expect that would significantly reduce the memory footprint. I have plenty of RAM, so it's a non-issue. ******* I only consider a tool "broken", when no tuning knob is available. I prefer that programs make good choices on their own, but when a complicated program offers tuning adjustments, it's a second best option. Now, if the Configuration Editor had popup balloons to explain what the settings did, *that* would be a good design. You have to comb the mozilla.org site, looking for hints. How about using Compact Folders? Thunderbird is designed for the average user. The average user may never know of the about:config, let alone have desire to change it. Many of the parameters that routinely get changed in the about:config are also set from the options menu. Some people are afraid to make changes in the Options menu, because they do not know or afraid they don't understand what the options do. Remember there are still people who are not using email, part of them are afraid to look at their computer cross-eyed, for fear on causing something not to work. I have a friend who has been using her computer for as long as I, yet she has multiple photo programs each with their own copy of her pictures. She is constantly having problems because she does not know a thing about the internal working of the computer and the programs on the computer. The last time I tried to help her, there were 5 gb free on her 200 gb drive. Most of that was in picture files. I know she would never look at the options of a program. While I have occasionally made changes in the about:config, it is not something that I access, or change frequently. I frequently make changes in the Options. Point, it is not cost effective to cater to the very small minority of techies that use their systems and programs. |
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On 16/02/2014 1:28 PM, OldGuy wrote:
Win 7 Pro all updates TB latest version PC = Intel Quad 3GHz 8GRAM, 500MB free C: It is because I have so many eMails with 150K attachements that are downloading. TB programmers need to release more code time to the system (allowing TB to multitask) during such downloads. Maybe TB only uses a few threads?? I have a similar problem with Tbird. It will sometimes just freeze for about 10 seconds while I'm in the middle of writing a message, like this one. I have desktop gadgets that show me disk and processor activity, and initially I thought maybe it's accessing the disk for some reason, but it's doesn't seem to be disk activity at all. Instead, I see processor activity just spike on one core for the duration of time that the freeze occurs. I got six-cores, so why doesn't Tbird know how to distribute itself better over the multiple cores? I also notice the Tbird's memory utilization just keeps growing and growing the longer you keep it open. I had 8 GB's previously, and I saw once it had used up 6 of the 8GB, just by itself. I have now upgraded to 16GB, but the memory utilization is still heavy. It didn't matter if I ran the thing on an SSD or a regular HDD, the freezes still happened. Running newsgroups has made the Tbird profile absolutely directory massive, with lots (100's of thousands) of big and little files. I think Tbird is more unstable when running newsgroups than when not, the developers seem to have little to no interest in fixing newsgroup support in Tbird. Win 7 Ult x86 PC = AMD Phenom II X6 1100T, 16GB DDR3. Lot's of space on the drive that's its on. Yousuf Khan |
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 2/19/2014 10:48 AM, Juan Wei wrote: Paul has written on 2/19/2014 12:43 AM: Adam Kubias wrote: On 2014-02-18 8:48 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:04:55 -0500, Silver Slimer wrote: On 18/02/2014 5:33 PM, Adam Kubias wrote: I have an even better computer. i7-4770 @3.40 GHz with 32 GB RAM. Thunderbird is slow as hell, at least 5 times a day it totally freezes. Holy ****. It freezes on THAT kind of a configuration? Jesus Christ it's worse than awful isn't it? You're assuming that Thunderbird is the one and only application ever running on that system. That sort of assumes facts not in evidence, as a lawyer buddy is fond of saying. Without knowing what else is running, you can't come to a conclusion WRT Thunderbird. Just posting this message takes 138 MB RAM. It's kind of a resource hog. Just posting this message, takes 321MB of RAM. But, there's a good reason for that. My biggest .msf file is 48MB. All the .msf files are open right now, and held in memory. That's the memory consumption. The fewer or smaller the .msf, the smaller the memory footprint. I can clean up the .msf files. If I delete .msf and .dat for each newsgroup, they'll be re-created. And they will be smaller (as only the current articles on the server, will define the file content). My 48MB .msf, contains the headers of the last five years of the newsgroup in question. Those could be safely tossed. I would be able to significantly reduce the 321MB figure that way. ******* Another option, is recent versions of Thunderbird have a timer set to five minutes, which closes unused .msf/.dat pairs. So if you have newsgroups in your list, which you have not accessed in the last five minutes, that amount of RAM won't be needed. These are supposed to be the entries in Configuration Editor, that control the behavior. The 300000 number is milliseconds, or five minutes. mail.db.idle_limit 300000 mail.db.max_open ******* Of course, a news client doesn't have to be designed this way. Years ago, on a Unix box, I used a news client that kept only an .rc file (keeps high_water, low_water, and tracks articles which have been read, a string of numbers). The .rc file is tiny, perhaps half a megabyte at the time. No record at all is kept for each newsgroup. So the .msf/.dat pairs are totally unneeded. Of course, the .msf/.dat pairs on Thunderbird, are capable of keeping more history than the event horizon of the news server, and you can debate whether that's an essential feature or not. If I click on an old article in there, it doesn't load, because it's no longer on the server. All I can see is headers of messages, not the bodies. You can debate whether the feature set of Thunderbird is wise, but the memory consumption can be traced to how you're using it. There are people who never clean mail folders, who use 2GB of RAM, but that's their fault. The reason the files are kept in memory, is a performance trade-off. On a slow computer, the initial parsing time for a large .msf might be significant. The design decision is to keep it in RAM. My experience here on my processor, is that isn't an issue. If the files were not kept in memory, it would only slow things down a little bit. If I was running on a 300MHz Celeron, I would think otherwise. I would load the newsgroups once in the morning, and go make coffee while it happened. If I set mail.db.max_open to "1", I expect that would significantly reduce the memory footprint. I have plenty of RAM, so it's a non-issue. ******* I only consider a tool "broken", when no tuning knob is available. I prefer that programs make good choices on their own, but when a complicated program offers tuning adjustments, it's a second best option. Now, if the Configuration Editor had popup balloons to explain what the settings did, *that* would be a good design. You have to comb the mozilla.org site, looking for hints. How about using Compact Folders? Thunderbird is designed for the average user. The average user may never know of the about:config, let alone have desire to change it. Many of the parameters that routinely get changed in the about:config are also set from the options menu. Some people are afraid to make changes in the Options menu, because they do not know or afraid they don't understand what the options do. Remember there are still people who are not using email, part of them are afraid to look at their computer cross-eyed, for fear on causing something not to work. I have a friend who has been using her computer for as long as I, yet she has multiple photo programs each with their own copy of her pictures. She is constantly having problems because she does not know a thing about the internal working of the computer and the programs on the computer. The last time I tried to help her, there were 5 gb free on her 200 gb drive. Most of that was in picture files. I know she would never look at the options of a program. While I have occasionally made changes in the about:config, it is not something that I access, or change frequently. I frequently make changes in the Options. Point, it is not cost effective to cater to the very small minority of techies that use their systems and programs. The Configuration Editor concept is just unfamiliar to Windows users. The concepts come from Unix and XWindows. Where naming of options has been that way for some time. The Configuration Editor is similar to a text editor applied to an XRDB (X Resouce DataBase). It's the Registry, in disguise. Ordinary users don't want to use the Registry, but this program happens to have its own private registry. And all because nobody wanted to make an Options or Preferences panel to fit (the "GUI way"). In Unix land, we used to use commercial software which came with no documentation. We would open executable files in a text editor, and search for text strings of the kind you see in the Configuration Editor. This allowed changing settings we would not have been otherwise able to change. Some tools had hundreds of those things. It was a game at work, something to discuss over coffee break, what new and marvelous things you'd found in the commercial software. Tools like Thunderbird and Firefox, are cross-platform. But at heart, they had to start somewhere. They were either Windows-centric or Unix/Linux-centric. If you download the tarball for the program (the source), all the text files have Unix line terminations. That should give you a better idea what the origins of the development might have been. I don't know the actual origins (where they were standing when 1.0.0 came out), but I can guess at it. These programs "wouldn't suck so bad", if they only ran on the one platform :-) Paul |
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"Char Jackson" wrote in message ... On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 06:52:57 -0600, "BillW50" wrote: "Char Jackson" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:04:55 -0500, Silver Slimer wrote: On 18/02/2014 5:33 PM, Adam Kubias wrote: I have an even better computer. i7-4770 @3.40 GHz with 32 GB RAM. Thunderbird is slow as hell, at least 5 times a day it totally freezes. Holy ****. It freezes on THAT kind of a configuration? Jesus Christ it's worse than awful isn't it? You're assuming that Thunderbird is the one and only application ever running on that system. That sort of assumes facts not in evidence, as a lawyer buddy is fond of saying. Without knowing what else is running, you can't come to a conclusion WRT Thunderbird. It isn't rocket science. All you have to do and open up the Task Manager and see what all of the processes are doing with the CPU. I also run Process Lasso and it logs processes, which ones that hogs the processor. And both Thunderbird and Firefox are usually the only ones in the log for days. After seeing the wild claims in this thread, the only conclusion I can come to is that for some people it's indistinguishable from rocket science. Case in point: the statement above that says "It freezes on THAT kind of a configuration? Jesus Christ it's worse than awful isn't it?" is utterly ridiculous. I don't mean to pick on one person, though. This entire thread, or at least the part about Thunderbird, has been laughable from the start. Actually I believe cause and effect is enough reason to dump it without finding out the real cause. Like the old joke "Doc, it hurts when I do this!" And I haven't really investigated what Thunderbird is actually doing to freeze up suddenly in my case. My latest theory is it might be indexing my IMAP accounts. And it is most annoying while I am composing a message. As it stops showing keystrokes and when it unfreezes some of the last keystrokes can be totally lost (probably because the keyboard buffer overflowed). My temporary fix is to copy and paste to another editor. And it doesn't matter what other editor, Notepad, WordPad, WordStar, Word, etc. and the rest shows every keystroke and never drops characters. Regardless whether Thunderbird is currently frozen or not. It only happens under Thunderbird and nothing else. So the solution seems pretty clear to me. Don't use Thunderbird or at least use another editor and the major problem is gone. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center |
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Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 16/02/2014 1:28 PM, OldGuy wrote: Win 7 Pro all updates TB latest version PC = Intel Quad 3GHz 8GRAM, 500MB free C: It is because I have so many eMails with 150K attachements that are downloading. TB programmers need to release more code time to the system (allowing TB to multitask) during such downloads. Maybe TB only uses a few threads?? I have a similar problem with Tbird. It will sometimes just freeze for about 10 seconds while I'm in the middle of writing a message, like this one. I have desktop gadgets that show me disk and processor activity, and initially I thought maybe it's accessing the disk for some reason, but it's doesn't seem to be disk activity at all. Instead, I see processor activity just spike on one core for the duration of time that the freeze occurs. I got six-cores, so why doesn't Tbird know how to distribute itself better over the multiple cores? I also notice the Tbird's memory utilization just keeps growing and growing the longer you keep it open. I had 8 GB's previously, and I saw once it had used up 6 of the 8GB, just by itself. I have now upgraded to 16GB, but the memory utilization is still heavy. It didn't matter if I ran the thing on an SSD or a regular HDD, the freezes still happened. Running newsgroups has made the Tbird profile absolutely directory massive, with lots (100's of thousands) of big and little files. I think Tbird is more unstable when running newsgroups than when not, the developers seem to have little to no interest in fixing newsgroup support in Tbird. Win 7 Ult x86 PC = AMD Phenom II X6 1100T, 16GB DDR3. Lot's of space on the drive that's its on. Yousuf Khan Just for the record, Thunderbird has a complete HTML engine inside. All you need, to break it, is get it "eating" some bad HTML/JavaScript. Try sending someone an HTML email, attach an actively leaking JavaScript attachment, and watch the fun. It's a good thing that certain NSPs have installed CleanFeed to filter out various kinds of attacks of that sort. It's the only reason Thunderbird isn't a bigger liability as a USENET client. The "guy who runs the server" is protecting us :-) Thunderbird has a huge attack surface, but I guess that's why people use it. Lots of the things we use every day are like that. I had my very first "memory blowout" just yesterday here. Firefox managed to leak up to the 2GB mark. And when I opened one of the web pages, the page would not render (repaint), because the program had run out of RAM, but was too ashamed of itself to crash. It took maybe five or ten minutes, before it had the good sense to crash, and send a report to Mozilla. That can be blamed on one of the web pages I had opened at the time. Presumably, more leaky code on a web page. Firefox is fine today, and works as if nothing had happened. Paul |
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On 2014-02-19 10:43 AM, Juan Wei wrote:
Adam Kubias has written on 2/18/2014 6:10 PM: On 2014-02-18 6:04 PM, Silver Slimer wrote: On 18/02/2014 5:33 PM, Adam Kubias wrote: I have an even better computer. i7-4770 @3.40 GHz with 32 GB RAM. Thunderbird is slow as hell, at least 5 times a day it totally freezes. Holy ****. It freezes on THAT kind of a configuration? Jesus Christ it's worse than awful isn't it? It only freezes for video and graphics heavy rss feeds. Rarely on anything else. Would you explain that please? Do RSS feeds actually deliver video content to you and you can view it in Thunderbird? Yes, for example I have an NHL rss feed "http://www.nhl.com/rss/news.xml". The preview for a message will state "SOCHI -- Phil Kessel has carried his red-hot play from the NHL season into the 2014 Sochi Olympics to help the United States prove its status as a gold-medal contender. With seven points in three games, the Toronto Maple Leafs right wing not only ..." If I double-click, a new tab with the full message - basically the same view you get from their website opens with video content. I have 20 feeds coming in. |
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BillW50 wrote:
My temporary fix is to copy and paste to another editor. And it doesn't matter what other editor, Notepad, WordPad, WordStar, Word, etc. and the rest shows every keystroke and never drops characters. Regardless whether Thunderbird is currently frozen or not. It only happens under Thunderbird and nothing else. So the solution seems pretty clear to me. Don't use Thunderbird or at least use another editor and the major problem is gone. And why don't you ask about this in a Thunderbird news group? The signs on the door here are Windows XP, 7 and 8. -- Blue |
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"Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: My temporary fix is to copy and paste to another editor. And it doesn't matter what other editor, Notepad, WordPad, WordStar, Word, etc. and the rest shows every keystroke and never drops characters. Regardless whether Thunderbird is currently frozen or not. It only happens under Thunderbird and nothing else. So the solution seems pretty clear to me. Don't use Thunderbird or at least use another editor and the major problem is gone. And why don't you ask about this in a Thunderbird news group? The signs on the door here are Windows XP, 7 and 8. I have. Last question I posted was why does Firefox v28/29 only work as a Metro App only on my touch screen machine and not on my other two non-touch machines? Nobody knows? Many of them also leave questions and nobody knows anything to help them either. Unless you have a very simple question that most people know about, nothing is probably going to happen there. Anyway I was replying to Char's question concerning Thunderbird. And this Thunderbird problem even goes back since the beginning. And apparently if it hasn't been fixed in all of this time, it probably is never going to be fixed. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center |
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On 2/19/14 10:12 AM, BillW50 wrote:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message ... On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 06:52:57 -0600, "BillW50" wrote: "Char Jackson" wrote in message ... On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:04:55 -0500, Silver Slimer wrote: On 18/02/2014 5:33 PM, Adam Kubias wrote: I have an even better computer. i7-4770 @3.40 GHz with 32 GB RAM. Thunderbird is slow as hell, at least 5 times a day it totally freezes. Holy ****. It freezes on THAT kind of a configuration? Jesus Christ it's worse than awful isn't it? You're assuming that Thunderbird is the one and only application ever running on that system. That sort of assumes facts not in evidence, as a lawyer buddy is fond of saying. Without knowing what else is running, you can't come to a conclusion WRT Thunderbird. It isn't rocket science. All you have to do and open up the Task Manager and see what all of the processes are doing with the CPU. I also run Process Lasso and it logs processes, which ones that hogs the processor. And both Thunderbird and Firefox are usually the only ones in the log for days. After seeing the wild claims in this thread, the only conclusion I can come to is that for some people it's indistinguishable from rocket science. Case in point: the statement above that says "It freezes on THAT kind of a configuration? Jesus Christ it's worse than awful isn't it?" is utterly ridiculous. I don't mean to pick on one person, though. This entire thread, or at least the part about Thunderbird, has been laughable from the start. Actually I believe cause and effect is enough reason to dump it without finding out the real cause. Like the old joke "Doc, it hurts when I do this!" And I haven't really investigated what Thunderbird is actually doing to freeze up suddenly in my case. My latest theory is it might be indexing my IMAP accounts. And it is most annoying while I am composing a message. As it stops showing keystrokes and when it unfreezes some of the last keystrokes can be totally lost (probably because the keyboard buffer overflowed). Bill, I don't know if this will help you do try to track down what is happening, but I have the same typo issues here, on this Mac. TB 24, I've stopped updating TB and Firefox. But I do not have any IMAP accounts, all my email accounts are POP3. Myself, I'm about to buy the latest Office for Mac, and go back to Outlook. I like HTML email, everyone I know uses it, as most use webmail. Too many issues with HTML composing, and those issues have just become too frustrating. My temporary fix is to copy and paste to another editor. And it doesn't matter what other editor, Notepad, WordPad, WordStar, Word, etc. and the rest shows every keystroke and never drops characters. Regardless whether Thunderbird is currently frozen or not. It only happens under Thunderbird and nothing else. So the solution seems pretty clear to me. Don't use Thunderbird or at least use another editor and the major problem is gone. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 24.0 |
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BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: My temporary fix is to copy and paste to another editor. And it doesn't matter what other editor, Notepad, WordPad, WordStar, Word, etc. and the rest shows every keystroke and never drops characters. Regardless whether Thunderbird is currently frozen or not. It only happens under Thunderbird and nothing else. So the solution seems pretty clear to me. Don't use Thunderbird or at least use another editor and the major problem is gone. And why don't you ask about this in a Thunderbird news group? The signs on the door here are Windows XP, 7 and 8. I have. Last question I posted was why does Firefox v28/29 only work as a Metro App only on my touch screen machine and not on my other two non-touch machines? Nobody knows? Many of them also leave questions and nobody knows anything to help them either. Unless you have a very simple question that most people know about, nothing is probably going to happen there. Anyway I was replying to Char's question concerning Thunderbird. And this Thunderbird problem even goes back since the beginning. And apparently if it hasn't been fixed in all of this time, it probably is never going to be fixed. I wonder why my install of Thunderbird doesn't do that on five machines. I have it on Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows XP and Linux Netrunner and it works just fine on all of them. My experience with the Mozilla Thunderbird news group is that it's inhabited by very savvy users. -- Blue |
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"Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: My temporary fix is to copy and paste to another editor. And it doesn't matter what other editor, Notepad, WordPad, WordStar, Word, etc. and the rest shows every keystroke and never drops characters. Regardless whether Thunderbird is currently frozen or not. It only happens under Thunderbird and nothing else. So the solution seems pretty clear to me. Don't use Thunderbird or at least use another editor and the major problem is gone. And why don't you ask about this in a Thunderbird news group? The signs on the door here are Windows XP, 7 and 8. I have. Last question I posted was why does Firefox v28/29 only work as a Metro App only on my touch screen machine and not on my other two non-touch machines? Nobody knows? Many of them also leave questions and nobody knows anything to help them either. Unless you have a very simple question that most people know about, nothing is probably going to happen there. Anyway I was replying to Char's question concerning Thunderbird. And this Thunderbird problem even goes back since the beginning. And apparently if it hasn't been fixed in all of this time, it probably is never going to be fixed. I wonder why my install of Thunderbird doesn't do that on five machines. I have it on Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows XP and Linux Netrunner and it works just fine on all of them. My experience with the Mozilla Thunderbird news group is that it's inhabited by very savvy users. Yes, I have also heard stories like yours before. And if it is true and I am not saying it is not, then something is different. I use IMAP, newsgroups, and no POP3 accounts. I also read posts in another window, some doesn't do that either and just use a pane view to do so. As for Mozilla newsgroups, I don't doubt most of them are sawy users. But some of us only ask questions about the really tough stuff. And that could be difficult for even the best of them. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center |
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BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: My temporary fix is to copy and paste to another editor. And it doesn't matter what other editor, Notepad, WordPad, WordStar, Word, etc. and the rest shows every keystroke and never drops characters. Regardless whether Thunderbird is currently frozen or not. It only happens under Thunderbird and nothing else. So the solution seems pretty clear to me. Don't use Thunderbird or at least use another editor and the major problem is gone. And why don't you ask about this in a Thunderbird news group? The signs on the door here are Windows XP, 7 and 8. I have. Last question I posted was why does Firefox v28/29 only work as a Metro App only on my touch screen machine and not on my other two non-touch machines? Nobody knows? Many of them also leave questions and nobody knows anything to help them either. Unless you have a very simple question that most people know about, nothing is probably going to happen there. Anyway I was replying to Char's question concerning Thunderbird. And this Thunderbird problem even goes back since the beginning. And apparently if it hasn't been fixed in all of this time, it probably is never going to be fixed. I wonder why my install of Thunderbird doesn't do that on five machines. I have it on Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows XP and Linux Netrunner and it works just fine on all of them. My experience with the Mozilla Thunderbird news group is that it's inhabited by very savvy users. Yes, I have also heard stories like yours before. And if it is true and I am not saying it is not, then something is different. I use IMAP, newsgroups, and no POP3 accounts. I also read posts in another window, some doesn't do that either and just use a pane view to do so. As for Mozilla newsgroups, I don't doubt most of them are sawy users. But some of us only ask questions about the really tough stuff. And that could be difficult for even the best of them. Sounds like you don't want a solution. I use imap, POP3, HTML mail and open new windows to compose or read and don't have your problems. Are you saying that TB doesn't work properly on all of your 30+ machines? I would suspect an add on. Have you tried running TB in safe mode? -- Blue |
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On 2/19/2014 12:27 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
Bill, I don't know if this will help you do try to track down what is happening, but I have the same typo issues here, on this Mac. TB 24, I've stopped updating TB and Firefox. But I do not have any IMAP accounts, all my email accounts are POP3. Myself, I'm about to buy the latest Office for Mac, and go back to Outlook. I like HTML email, everyone I know uses it, as most use webmail. Too many issues with HTML composing, and those issues have just become too frustrating. Thanks Ken. You gave me an idea. I just killed all of my email accounts with this Thunderbird (don't worry, I will restore from a backup) and I am testing it now (after I closed it and reopened it just in case). And so far, everything is working really great! Heck I just checked Process Lasso's logs and whenever Thunderbird freezes, Process Lasso bitches about it in the logs. And so far, so good. ;-) Oh darn, it just happened again. Well it appears it has nothing to do with email accounts, whether POP3 or IMAP. I'm just going to be away for a few hours and I'll recheck the logs when I get back. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center |
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 17:33:01 -0500, Adam Kubias wrote:
I have an even better computer. i7-4770 @3.40 GHz with 32 GB RAM. Thunderbird is slow as hell, at least 5 times a day it totally freezes. TB runs just fine. Specs in the sig... (Windows and other software is installed on a SSD.) -- Win7 Home Premium x64 SP1, AMD A8-3870K Black Edition Quad-Core APU, 8 GiB RAM, Page File: 7,98 GiB, NTFS, Video adapter: ASUS Radeon HD 5450 (512MiB GDDR3), Screen: LCD 1440x900x75Hz -- s|b |
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