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Old October 31st 12, 11:41 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake[_4_]
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:54:24 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:51:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:36:16 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:


That's why I usually hold down the RIGHT mouse button while Copying or
Moving files. Nothing gets committed until I release the button, giving me
time to read the popup showing the actual destination. And, even after the
release, it lets me choose between Copy and Move (or Cancel), giving me a
last chance to verify the destination, too.


I do the same thing, RC. I do it for the commitment reason you
mention, but mainly because I find it hard to remember under what
condition drag-and-drop means "copy" and under what conditions it
means "move." With right-drag, I don't have to remember.


Feel free to forget the following :-)

If it's to the same partition, without control it's move and with
control it's copy.

If it's to another partition, it's the reverse.

It seems that Microsoft thinks you normally want to move a file when
you're dragging it within your partition, whereas you normally want to
copy a file when you're dragging it between partitions.

I have the advantage of remembering that, but in truth, I don't like it
very much.



Yes, thanks. I've read those rules when I've read them before. But
because I see no logic in it, I find it hard to remember. So I choose
to right-drag.


Before I forget: on my W7 system, when I am dragging a file, there is an
icon on the mouse cursor that shows whether the OS plans to move the
file or to copy it.



Yes, same on Windows 8.


I try to remember to look at that icon before
releasing the mouse button.



Yes, but to me, *trying* to remember is dangerous. I want to know for
sure. And again, that's why I right-drag.


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  #32  
Old November 1st 12, 12:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Dave \Crash\ Dummy
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Default classic shell vs Retro UI

Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:54:24 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:51:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:36:16 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:


That's why I usually hold down the RIGHT mouse button while
Copying or Moving files. Nothing gets committed until I
release the button, giving me time to read the popup showing
the actual destination. And, even after the release, it lets
me choose between Copy and Move (or Cancel), giving me a last
chance to verify the destination, too.
I do the same thing, RC. I do it for the commitment reason you
mention, but mainly because I find it hard to remember under what
condition drag-and-drop means "copy" and under what conditions
it means "move." With right-drag, I don't have to remember.

Feel free to forget the following :-)

If it's to the same partition, without control it's move and with
control it's copy.

If it's to another partition, it's the reverse.

It seems that Microsoft thinks you normally want to move a file
when you're dragging it within your partition, whereas you normally
want to copy a file when you're dragging it between partitions.

I have the advantage of remembering that, but in truth, I don't
like it very much.



Yes, thanks. I've read those rules when I've read them before. But
because I see no logic in it, I find it hard to remember. So I choose
to right-drag.


Before I forget: on my W7 system, when I am dragging a file, there
is an icon on the mouse cursor that shows whether the OS plans to
move the file or to copy it.



Yes, same on Windows 8.


I try to remember to look at that icon before releasing the mouse
button.



Yes, but to me, *trying* to remember is dangerous. I want to know for
sure. And again, that's why I right-drag.


There really is a reason for the intrapartition move and interpartition
copy. To move a file within the same partition all you have to do is
change the address. The file isn't moved, at all. To move a file to a
different partition requires physically copying the file to the
destination then erasing it from the source. Copying without deleting
the source is a simpler operation. So the logic is to perform the
simplist operation by default, a move within a partition and a copy
between partitions.
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Old November 1st 12, 01:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gene E. Bloch[_2_]
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:41:22 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:54:24 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:51:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:36:16 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:


That's why I usually hold down the RIGHT mouse button while Copying or
Moving files. Nothing gets committed until I release the button, giving me
time to read the popup showing the actual destination. And, even after the
release, it lets me choose between Copy and Move (or Cancel), giving me a
last chance to verify the destination, too.

I do the same thing, RC. I do it for the commitment reason you
mention, but mainly because I find it hard to remember under what
condition drag-and-drop means "copy" and under what conditions it
means "move." With right-drag, I don't have to remember.


Feel free to forget the following :-)

If it's to the same partition, without control it's move and with
control it's copy.

If it's to another partition, it's the reverse.

It seems that Microsoft thinks you normally want to move a file when
you're dragging it within your partition, whereas you normally want to
copy a file when you're dragging it between partitions.

I have the advantage of remembering that, but in truth, I don't like it
very much.


Yes, thanks. I've read those rules when I've read them before. But
because I see no logic in it, I find it hard to remember. So I choose
to right-drag.

Before I forget: on my W7 system, when I am dragging a file, there is an
icon on the mouse cursor that shows whether the OS plans to move the
file or to copy it.


Yes, same on Windows 8.

I try to remember to look at that icon before
releasing the mouse button.


Yes, but to me, *trying* to remember is dangerous. I want to know for
sure. And again, that's why I right-drag.


All of which is why I wrote "Feel free to forget the following" :-)

Crash's post gives what for me is a mnemonic aid (and probably why I've
had no trouble remembering it), namely the rationale for it. Feel free
to forget that as well :-)

When there are choices, as there often are in Windows, we all[1] adopt
the methods that we like best. You are well within your rights to make
the choices you mentioned. My remarks were only for your consideration
as info, no strings attached.

[1] At least the smarter ones :-)

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