Notification Area & Time and Date problem

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:50:05 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

On 11/24/2012 3:03 PM, Dave-UK wrote:

"Robin Bignall" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:30:02 -0000, "Dave-UK" wrote:


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On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:01:34 -0000, "Dave-UK" wrote:


"Gordon" wrote in message
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I'm still in the learning phase as a Windows 8 user, having recenlty
bought this new HP Presario with Windows 8 pre-installed. I'm getting
along pretty well but there is one problem that still has me
mystified.

When I leave this computer unattended for a while it will go into
Sleep mode, then when I try to bring it back awake I usually have to
use the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys and follow up with a Restart process.
The Notification Area and the Time and Date area at the lower
right of
the screen are gone. I notice this as soon as I move the mouse or
click a key and try to bring the computer out of sleep mode.

Nothing else can be done that I've discoverd, other than to use the
Ctrl-Alt-Del process to do a Restart. It will restart and the first
screen indicates that it is coming out of Sleep mode. Then the Lock
screen appears and everything goes normally from there on until the
next time I let this computer go into Sleep mode.

What can I do to avoid losing the Notification Area and the Time and
Date icons when this comptuer goes into Sleep mode, or how can I
recover them without doing a Restart? Gordon

When my laptop goes to sleep the screen goes all black. I don't
have any icons in the notification area or anywhere because the
screen is totally blank.

THis is very much like my desktop HP Pavilion has been doing. The
screen is black but I can see the mouse white arrow head moving around
when I move the mouse. The task bar at the bottom of the blackened out
screen looks normal

If you can see the mouse pointer or taskbar on the screen then your
computer (Pavilion, Presario or whatever it is) is not sleeping.

In Win 7, sleep and hibernate both turn the screen off, as you say. This
darkening of the screen except for the task bar sounds a bit like the
darkening in Win 7 when User Account Control is set to its maximum.
Could Win 8 have a similar darkening for some reason?

I don't notice any darkening anywhere.

Well I understand what Robin is talking about. And yes Robin, Windows 8
too can dim the display as well just like Windows 7. Now Dave, it is
possible that you never see this dimming of the display. But it does so
at certain times as the OS needs to user attention for something.
Normally a small window not dimmed (but everything else is) pops up.
This gives the user a choice to make depending on what it says.

Now both Windows 7 and Windows 8 (I never ran Vista much) can dim the
display if there is no activity in X amount of time and there is no
window too. This should be no big deal (I forget where this setting is)
as touching the mouse or keyboard should undim everything.

Now if Gordon thinks this dimmed state is sleeping, it really isn't. And
Gordon, if this is what you are thinking and seeing, it isn't in standby
mode. Something stopped it from going to Standby.

I may not have made this point very clear...my screen is not dimming
or fading as I sometimes see in my Windows 7 computer. The screen in
this new Windows 8 computer goes completely dark black except for the
white moust pointer and the Task Bar across the bottom.

Nothing I have found on any keyboard combination or mouse clicks will
bring the screen back to anything other than a solid black. I have to
press the computer's power button briefly then press it again within a
few seconds to get the computer to do something like come out of
slleep mode. Once it does this I see the Lock screen and everything
works normally from then on until the next time I let the computer
doze off into sleep mode again.

Even when the black screen appears as mentioned above, the task bar is
present along the bottom but it extends all the way to the lower right
corner of the screen. That is, the Notification Area and the Time and
Date Box are completely gone and the Task Bar has extended across
their territiory. Gordon

On 11/24/2012 4:20 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:50:05 -0600, wrote:

On 11/24/2012 3:03 PM, Dave-UK wrote:

"Robin wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:30:02 -0000, wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:01:34 -0000, wrote:


wrote in message
...
I'm still in the learning phase as a Windows 8 user, having recenlty
bought this new HP Presario with Windows 8 pre-installed. I'm getting
along pretty well but there is one problem that still has me
mystified.

When I leave this computer unattended for a while it will go into
Sleep mode, then when I try to bring it back awake I usually have to
use the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys and follow up with a Restart process.
The Notification Area and the Time and Date area at the lower
right of
the screen are gone. I notice this as soon as I move the mouse or
click a key and try to bring the computer out of sleep mode.

Nothing else can be done that I've discoverd, other than to use the
Ctrl-Alt-Del process to do a Restart. It will restart and the first
screen indicates that it is coming out of Sleep mode. Then the Lock
screen appears and everything goes normally from there on until the
next time I let this computer go into Sleep mode.

What can I do to avoid losing the Notification Area and the Time and
Date icons when this comptuer goes into Sleep mode, or how can I
recover them without doing a Restart? Gordon

When my laptop goes to sleep the screen goes all black. I don't
have any icons in the notification area or anywhere because the
screen is totally blank.

THis is very much like my desktop HP Pavilion has been doing. The
screen is black but I can see the mouse white arrow head moving around
when I move the mouse. The task bar at the bottom of the blackened out
screen looks normal

If you can see the mouse pointer or taskbar on the screen then your
computer (Pavilion, Presario or whatever it is) is not sleeping.

In Win 7, sleep and hibernate both turn the screen off, as you say. This
darkening of the screen except for the task bar sounds a bit like the
darkening in Win 7 when User Account Control is set to its maximum.
Could Win 8 have a similar darkening for some reason?

I don't notice any darkening anywhere.

Well I understand what Robin is talking about. And yes Robin, Windows 8
too can dim the display as well just like Windows 7. Now Dave, it is
possible that you never see this dimming of the display. But it does so
at certain times as the OS needs to user attention for something.
Normally a small window not dimmed (but everything else is) pops up.
This gives the user a choice to make depending on what it says.

Now both Windows 7 and Windows 8 (I never ran Vista much) can dim the
display if there is no activity in X amount of time and there is no
window too. This should be no big deal (I forget where this setting is)
as touching the mouse or keyboard should undim everything.

Now if Gordon thinks this dimmed state is sleeping, it really isn't. And
Gordon, if this is what you are thinking and seeing, it isn't in standby
mode. Something stopped it from going to Standby.

I may not have made this point very clear...my screen is not dimming
or fading as I sometimes see in my Windows 7 computer. The screen in
this new Windows 8 computer goes completely dark black except for the
white moust pointer and the Task Bar across the bottom.

Nothing I have found on any keyboard combination or mouse clicks will
bring the screen back to anything other than a solid black. I have to
press the computer's power button briefly then press it again within a
few seconds to get the computer to do something like come out of
slleep mode. Once it does this I see the Lock screen and everything
works normally from then on until the next time I let the computer
doze off into sleep mode again.

Even when the black screen appears as mentioned above, the task bar is
present along the bottom but it extends all the way to the lower right
corner of the screen. That is, the Notification Area and the Time and
Date Box are completely gone and the Task Bar has extended across
their territiory. Gordon

Your computer isn't really sleeping (in Standby or hibernation), if
anything shows up on the screen at all (I don't care if it is just the
pointer). It might have tried to get into Standby, hibernation, or total
shutdown, but it never made it.

Try the Charms... press Win+C. click Settings (on the right) and then
Power and then Sleep. Now what happens? Anything on the screen at all?
There should be absolutely nothing. If there is, something is preventing
Windows 8 from sleeping (aka Standby).

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

BillW50 wrote:
On 11/24/2012 4:20 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:50:05 -0600, wrote:

On 11/24/2012 3:03 PM, Dave-UK wrote:

"Robin wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:30:02 -0000, wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:01:34 -0000, wrote:


wrote in message
...
I'm still in the learning phase as a Windows 8 user, having
recenlty
bought this new HP Presario with Windows 8 pre-installed. I'm
getting
along pretty well but there is one problem that still has me
mystified.

When I leave this computer unattended for a while it will go into
Sleep mode, then when I try to bring it back awake I usually
have to
use the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys and follow up with a Restart process.
The Notification Area and the Time and Date area at the lower
right of
the screen are gone. I notice this as soon as I move the mouse or
click a key and try to bring the computer out of sleep mode.

Nothing else can be done that I've discoverd, other than to use
the
Ctrl-Alt-Del process to do a Restart. It will restart and the
first
screen indicates that it is coming out of Sleep mode. Then the
Lock
screen appears and everything goes normally from there on until
the
next time I let this computer go into Sleep mode.

What can I do to avoid losing the Notification Area and the
Time and
Date icons when this comptuer goes into Sleep mode, or how can I
recover them without doing a Restart? Gordon

When my laptop goes to sleep the screen goes all black. I don't
have any icons in the notification area or anywhere because the
screen is totally blank.

THis is very much like my desktop HP Pavilion has been doing. The
screen is black but I can see the mouse white arrow head moving
around
when I move the mouse. The task bar at the bottom of the
blackened out
screen looks normal

If you can see the mouse pointer or taskbar on the screen then your
computer (Pavilion, Presario or whatever it is) is not sleeping.

In Win 7, sleep and hibernate both turn the screen off, as you say.
This
darkening of the screen except for the task bar sounds a bit like the
darkening in Win 7 when User Account Control is set to its maximum.
Could Win 8 have a similar darkening for some reason?

I don't notice any darkening anywhere.

Well I understand what Robin is talking about. And yes Robin, Windows 8
too can dim the display as well just like Windows 7. Now Dave, it is
possible that you never see this dimming of the display. But it does so
at certain times as the OS needs to user attention for something.
Normally a small window not dimmed (but everything else is) pops up.
This gives the user a choice to make depending on what it says.

Now both Windows 7 and Windows 8 (I never ran Vista much) can dim the
display if there is no activity in X amount of time and there is no
window too. This should be no big deal (I forget where this setting is)
as touching the mouse or keyboard should undim everything.

Now if Gordon thinks this dimmed state is sleeping, it really isn't. And
Gordon, if this is what you are thinking and seeing, it isn't in standby
mode. Something stopped it from going to Standby.

I may not have made this point very clear...my screen is not dimming
or fading as I sometimes see in my Windows 7 computer. The screen in
this new Windows 8 computer goes completely dark black except for the
white moust pointer and the Task Bar across the bottom.

Nothing I have found on any keyboard combination or mouse clicks will
bring the screen back to anything other than a solid black. I have to
press the computer's power button briefly then press it again within a
few seconds to get the computer to do something like come out of
slleep mode. Once it does this I see the Lock screen and everything
works normally from then on until the next time I let the computer
doze off into sleep mode again.

Even when the black screen appears as mentioned above, the task bar is
present along the bottom but it extends all the way to the lower right
corner of the screen. That is, the Notification Area and the Time and
Date Box are completely gone and the Task Bar has extended across
their territiory. Gordon

Your computer isn't really sleeping (in Standby or hibernation), if
anything shows up on the screen at all (I don't care if it is just the
pointer). It might have tried to get into Standby, hibernation, or total
shutdown, but it never made it.

Try the Charms... press Win+C. click Settings (on the right) and then
Power and then Sleep. Now what happens? Anything on the screen at all?
There should be absolutely nothing. If there is, something is preventing
Windows 8 from sleeping (aka Standby).


I wonder what would happen, if a person connected to the affected
machine, from a second machine running something like TeamViewer ?
What would you see ?

Paul

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:22:14 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

On 11/24/2012 4:20 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:50:05 -0600, wrote:

On 11/24/2012 3:03 PM, Dave-UK wrote:

"Robin wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:30:02 -0000, wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:01:34 -0000, wrote:


wrote in message
...
I'm still in the learning phase as a Windows 8 user, having recenlty
bought this new HP Presario with Windows 8 pre-installed. I'm getting
along pretty well but there is one problem that still has me
mystified.

When I leave this computer unattended for a while it will go into
Sleep mode, then when I try to bring it back awake I usually have to
use the Ctrl-Alt-Del keys and follow up with a Restart process.
The Notification Area and the Time and Date area at the lower
right of
the screen are gone. I notice this as soon as I move the mouse or
click a key and try to bring the computer out of sleep mode.

Nothing else can be done that I've discoverd, other than to use the
Ctrl-Alt-Del process to do a Restart. It will restart and the first
screen indicates that it is coming out of Sleep mode. Then the Lock
screen appears and everything goes normally from there on until the
next time I let this computer go into Sleep mode.

What can I do to avoid losing the Notification Area and the Time and
Date icons when this comptuer goes into Sleep mode, or how can I
recover them without doing a Restart? Gordon

When my laptop goes to sleep the screen goes all black. I don't
have any icons in the notification area or anywhere because the
screen is totally blank.

THis is very much like my desktop HP Pavilion has been doing. The
screen is black but I can see the mouse white arrow head moving around
when I move the mouse. The task bar at the bottom of the blackened out
screen looks normal

If you can see the mouse pointer or taskbar on the screen then your
computer (Pavilion, Presario or whatever it is) is not sleeping.

In Win 7, sleep and hibernate both turn the screen off, as you say. This
darkening of the screen except for the task bar sounds a bit like the
darkening in Win 7 when User Account Control is set to its maximum.
Could Win 8 have a similar darkening for some reason?

I don't notice any darkening anywhere.

Well I understand what Robin is talking about. And yes Robin, Windows 8
too can dim the display as well just like Windows 7. Now Dave, it is
possible that you never see this dimming of the display. But it does so
at certain times as the OS needs to user attention for something.
Normally a small window not dimmed (but everything else is) pops up.
This gives the user a choice to make depending on what it says.

Now both Windows 7 and Windows 8 (I never ran Vista much) can dim the
display if there is no activity in X amount of time and there is no
window too. This should be no big deal (I forget where this setting is)
as touching the mouse or keyboard should undim everything.

Now if Gordon thinks this dimmed state is sleeping, it really isn't. And
Gordon, if this is what you are thinking and seeing, it isn't in standby
mode. Something stopped it from going to Standby.

I may not have made this point very clear...my screen is not dimming
or fading as I sometimes see in my Windows 7 computer. The screen in
this new Windows 8 computer goes completely dark black except for the
white moust pointer and the Task Bar across the bottom.

Nothing I have found on any keyboard combination or mouse clicks will
bring the screen back to anything other than a solid black. I have to
press the computer's power button briefly then press it again within a
few seconds to get the computer to do something like come out of
slleep mode. Once it does this I see the Lock screen and everything
works normally from then on until the next time I let the computer
doze off into sleep mode again.

Even when the black screen appears as mentioned above, the task bar is
present along the bottom but it extends all the way to the lower right
corner of the screen. That is, the Notification Area and the Time and
Date Box are completely gone and the Task Bar has extended across
their territiory. Gordon

Your computer isn't really sleeping (in Standby or hibernation), if
anything shows up on the screen at all (I don't care if it is just the
pointer). It might have tried to get into Standby, hibernation, or total
shutdown, but it never made it.

Try the Charms... press Win+C. click Settings (on the right) and then
Power and then Sleep. Now what happens? Anything on the screen at all?
There should be absolutely nothing. If there is, something is preventing
Windows 8 from sleeping (aka Standby).

Bill, I went back through the Control Panel - Power Options - Change
Plan Settings and set up both the Balanced and the Power Saver options
such that both have the Turn off display and the Put computer to sleep
set at 30 minutes. I then saved these settings and went back to a
client software for a while to get things settled down, then I left
the computer undisturbed for about 45 minutes. The light on the
computer box showed it going into some form of remission at the 30
minute time. I left it untouched for another 15 minutes then tapped
the Enter key on the keyboard and it came back into activity with all
the screen functions looking normal. So far it seems to have recovered
from whatever was causing it to lose the Notification Area and the
Time and Date box. All is well that ends well, so let's hope this is
the end of this set of problems. I'll keep you posted as to any
further developments. Gordon