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  #31  
Old November 29th 12, 02:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Drew[_3_]
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On 11/19/2012 4:36 PM, Drew wrote:
On 11/19/2012 12:01 PM, FDK wrote:
Any good? On a desktop or laptop.

I would say it depends on the machine. My wife has HP Touchsmart IQ804
and windows 8 compliments it nicely! Pretty cool on a 26 inch screen!
Even though there are problems with it at the moment and Microsoft
support is working on it as it was upgraded from win7 home prem 64.
(I suspect a driver of some sort as it functions perfectly in safe
mode). Under normal startup it black screens after a few hrs. Let me
tell you that is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen. Why would
you not still use a blue screen with a error message? Now my machine is
a high end custom built desktop with no touch ability and my copy of win
7 pro 64 screams and I really do not see my self changing it anytime
soon. I may wait for "9" or eventually win 8 with classic shell or
something.Just my 3 cents.

Drew.

Just a observation.. Since I installed win8 on my wife's HP touchsmart
IQ804 I have discovered that it does not work properly on it. This is a
4 year old touch screen pc that should work but HP in all its wisdom has
not and is not going to produce either a bios update and or chipset
update to accommodate windows 8. Microsoft worked on her computer for a
total of approx 8 hrs and could not get it stable with its current
setup. They finally figured that was a bios or driver problem (constant
black screens). Since then I have found that if I do not let it sleep or
hibernate it will stay working. I just have the screen set to turn off
at a given point. I think it is crap for a relatively high dollar (at
the time) 26 inch touchscreen pc to not be supported. I also think it is
a just a tad irritating that the upgrade advisor said it would work
fine. No exclamation points, no warnings at all. Unfortunately for me I
made the stupid mistake of downloading and installing win 8 pro without
checking HP first! I take the blame for that part but still "BE WARNED".
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  #32  
Old November 29th 12, 08:37 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Andy
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How old is this pc and allot of pc's both touch and non touch screen don't
work well with windows 8 does that surprise you?
it doesn't with me.


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"Drew" wrote in message
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On 11/19/2012 4:36 PM, Drew wrote:
On 11/19/2012 12:01 PM, FDK wrote:
Any good? On a desktop or laptop.

I would say it depends on the machine. My wife has HP Touchsmart IQ804
and windows 8 compliments it nicely! Pretty cool on a 26 inch screen!
Even though there are problems with it at the moment and Microsoft
support is working on it as it was upgraded from win7 home prem 64.
(I suspect a driver of some sort as it functions perfectly in safe
mode). Under normal startup it black screens after a few hrs. Let me
tell you that is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen. Why would
you not still use a blue screen with a error message? Now my machine is
a high end custom built desktop with no touch ability and my copy of win
7 pro 64 screams and I really do not see my self changing it anytime
soon. I may wait for "9" or eventually win 8 with classic shell or
something.Just my 3 cents.

Drew.

Just a observation.. Since I installed win8 on my wife's HP touchsmart
IQ804 I have discovered that it does not work properly on it. This is a 4
year old touch screen pc that should work but HP in all its wisdom has not
and is not going to produce either a bios update and or chipset update to
accommodate windows 8. Microsoft worked on her computer for a total of
approx 8 hrs and could not get it stable with its current setup. They
finally figured that was a bios or driver problem (constant black
screens). Since then I have found that if I do not let it sleep or
hibernate it will stay working. I just have the screen set to turn off at
a given point. I think it is crap for a relatively high dollar (at the
time) 26 inch touchscreen pc to not be supported. I also think it is a
just a tad irritating that the upgrade advisor said it would work fine. No
exclamation points, no warnings at all. Unfortunately for me I made the
stupid mistake of downloading and installing win 8 pro without checking
HP first! I take the blame for that part but still "BE WARNED".



  #33  
Old November 29th 12, 12:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Joe Morris
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"Drew" wrote:

I think it is crap for a relatively high dollar (at the time)
26 inch touchscreen pc to not be supported. I also think it is a just a
tad irritating that the upgrade advisor said it would work fine. No
exclamation points, no warnings at all. Unfortunately for me I made the
stupid mistake of downloading and installing win 8 pro without checking
HP first! I take the blame for that part but still "BE WARNED".


If it's any consolation, consider the problems that are encountered by users
who purchased the original Microsoft Surface a few years ago. Its
touchscreen features are supported under Vista...period.

I did get something of a chuckle out of the situation, though. At my POE
surplus desktop and laptop systems not picked up by one of the labs goes to
an occasional auction to the staff. I had bought a Lenovo tablet at a time
when it looked like we would be moving in that direction (I own the
corporate Windows configuration specs); we didn't, and a couple of years
later I surplused the box. None of the labs picked it up so it went to
auction.

The humor? Our property tracking system has a limited field for the
description, and by chance the word "TABLET" at the end had the final "T"
clipped off. Watching the over-enthusiastic bidding I strongly suspect that
whoever paid top dollar for it thought he was getting a "TABLE" and not a
"TABLET" even though the box was clearly described as coming from Lenovo.

(BTW: the auction has a no-questions-asked 3-day return policy, so if he did
make that mistake he wasn't locked into the purchase.)

Joe


  #34  
Old November 29th 12, 12:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
BillW50
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On 11/29/2012 5:08 AM, Joe Morris wrote:
wrote:


I think it is crap for a relatively high dollar (at the time)
26 inch touchscreen pc to not be supported. I also think it is a just a
tad irritating that the upgrade advisor said it would work fine. No
exclamation points, no warnings at all. Unfortunately for me I made the
stupid mistake of downloading and installing win 8 pro without checking
HP first! I take the blame for that part but still "BE WARNED".


If it's any consolation, consider the problems that are encountered by users
who purchased the original Microsoft Surface a few years ago. Its
touchscreen features are supported under Vista...period.

I did get something of a chuckle out of the situation, though. At my POE
surplus desktop and laptop systems not picked up by one of the labs goes to
an occasional auction to the staff. I had bought a Lenovo tablet at a time
when it looked like we would be moving in that direction (I own the
corporate Windows configuration specs); we didn't, and a couple of years
later I surplused the box. None of the labs picked it up so it went to
auction.

The humor? Our property tracking system has a limited field for the
description, and by chance the word "TABLET" at the end had the final "T"
clipped off. Watching the over-enthusiastic bidding I strongly suspect that
whoever paid top dollar for it thought he was getting a "TABLE" and not a
"TABLET" even though the box was clearly described as coming from Lenovo.

(BTW: the auction has a no-questions-asked 3-day return policy, so if he did
make that mistake he wasn't locked into the purchase.)

Joe


My new Dell Latitude ST (tablet) which is on order and I haven't got
yet, Dell originally said it will be Windows 8 compatible. They are
currently being sold by Dell and others with Windows 7 installed. And
now I am finding out that Dell doesn't and will never support Windows 8
on these tablets. This makes no sense to me at all. Yet these old
Gateways M465 will run XP, Vista, 7, and 8. Go figure!

--
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Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8
  #35  
Old November 29th 12, 09:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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BillW50 wrote:
On 11/29/2012 5:08 AM, Joe Morris wrote:
wrote:


I think it is crap for a relatively high dollar (at the
time)
26 inch touchscreen pc to not be supported. I also think it is a just a
tad irritating that the upgrade advisor said it would work fine. No
exclamation points, no warnings at all. Unfortunately for me I made the
stupid mistake of downloading and installing win 8 pro without
checking
HP first! I take the blame for that part but still "BE WARNED".


If it's any consolation, consider the problems that are encountered by
users
who purchased the original Microsoft Surface a few years ago. Its
touchscreen features are supported under Vista...period.

I did get something of a chuckle out of the situation, though. At my POE
surplus desktop and laptop systems not picked up by one of the labs
goes to
an occasional auction to the staff. I had bought a Lenovo tablet at a
time
when it looked like we would be moving in that direction (I own the
corporate Windows configuration specs); we didn't, and a couple of years
later I surplused the box. None of the labs picked it up so it went to
auction.

The humor? Our property tracking system has a limited field for the
description, and by chance the word "TABLET" at the end had the final "T"
clipped off. Watching the over-enthusiastic bidding I strongly
suspect that
whoever paid top dollar for it thought he was getting a "TABLE" and not a
"TABLET" even though the box was clearly described as coming from Lenovo.

(BTW: the auction has a no-questions-asked 3-day return policy, so if
he did
make that mistake he wasn't locked into the purchase.)

Joe


My new Dell Latitude ST (tablet) which is on order and I haven't got
yet, Dell originally said it will be Windows 8 compatible. They are
currently being sold by Dell and others with Windows 7 installed. And
now I am finding out that Dell doesn't and will never support Windows 8
on these tablets. This makes no sense to me at all. Yet these old
Gateways M465 will run XP, Vista, 7, and 8. Go figure!


It could be the level of multi-touch support, which makes them
"shy" to support Windows 8.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2...windows-8.aspx

"The touch language allows us to design a base user experience that
is optimized for touch and works well on every PC, whether it was
built originally for Windows 7 or for Windows 8. The fundamental gestures
require no more than *2 fingers*.

However it is important to note that 2 fingers can be very limiting for a
variety of applications. This is why Windows 8 PCs require digitizers that
support a minimum of *5 fingers*.

The reason we went in this direction is a response to developer feedback.
Developers do not want their creativity to be limited --- !!!
and in particular, they let us know that they want to be free to use whichever
multi-finger gestures or controls are useful. They do not want requirements
for a minimum number of fingers that may not make sense for their application.

As such, we focused on a minimum of 5 fingers to enable scenarios like whole
hand interactions (all 5 fingers) or multi-finger/multi-hand scenarios. This
will address the feedback, and unlocks opportunities for developers to push
the envelope with multi-touch applications. So, while we ensure that the OS
works well with a Windows 7 PC, a new Windows 8 PC is going to be much more
consistent and predictable both from a user and developer perspective.
"

There's a list here, of the new devices as they come out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_and_monitors

Paul
  #36  
Old November 29th 12, 11:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
BillW50
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In ,
Paul typed:
BillW50 wrote:
On 11/29/2012 5:08 AM, Joe Morris wrote:
wrote:

I think it is crap for a relatively high dollar (at the
time)
26 inch touchscreen pc to not be supported. I also think it is a
just a tad irritating that the upgrade advisor said it would work
fine. No exclamation points, no warnings at all. Unfortunately
for me I made the stupid mistake of downloading and installing win
8 pro without checking
HP first! I take the blame for that part but still "BE WARNED".

If it's any consolation, consider the problems that are encountered
by users
who purchased the original Microsoft Surface a few years ago. Its
touchscreen features are supported under Vista...period.

I did get something of a chuckle out of the situation, though. At
my POE surplus desktop and laptop systems not picked up by one of
the labs goes to
an occasional auction to the staff. I had bought a Lenovo tablet
at a time
when it looked like we would be moving in that direction (I own the
corporate Windows configuration specs); we didn't, and a couple of
years later I surplused the box. None of the labs picked it up so
it went to auction.

The humor? Our property tracking system has a limited field for the
description, and by chance the word "TABLET" at the end had the
final "T" clipped off. Watching the over-enthusiastic bidding I
strongly suspect that
whoever paid top dollar for it thought he was getting a "TABLE" and
not a "TABLET" even though the box was clearly described as coming
from Lenovo. (BTW: the auction has a no-questions-asked 3-day return
policy, so
if he did
make that mistake he wasn't locked into the purchase.)

Joe


My new Dell Latitude ST (tablet) which is on order and I haven't got
yet, Dell originally said it will be Windows 8 compatible. They are
currently being sold by Dell and others with Windows 7 installed. And
now I am finding out that Dell doesn't and will never support
Windows 8 on these tablets. This makes no sense to me at all. Yet
these old Gateways M465 will run XP, Vista, 7, and 8. Go figure!


It could be the level of multi-touch support, which makes them
"shy" to support Windows 8.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2...windows-8.aspx

"The touch language allows us to design a base user experience that
is optimized for touch and works well on every PC, whether it was
built originally for Windows 7 or for Windows 8. The fundamental
gestures require no more than *2 fingers*.

However it is important to note that 2 fingers can be very
limiting for a variety of applications. This is why Windows 8 PCs
require digitizers that support a minimum of *5 fingers*.

The reason we went in this direction is a response to developer
feedback. Developers do not want their creativity to be limited
--- !!! and in particular, they let us know that they want to be
free to use whichever multi-finger gestures or controls are
useful. They do not want requirements for a minimum number of
fingers that may not make sense for their application.
As such, we focused on a minimum of 5 fingers to enable scenarios
like whole hand interactions (all 5 fingers) or
multi-finger/multi-hand scenarios. This will address the
feedback, and unlocks opportunities for developers to push the
envelope with multi-touch applications. So, while we ensure that
the OS works well with a Windows 7 PC, a new Windows 8 PC is
going to be much more consistent and predictable both from a user
and developer perspective. "
There's a list here, of the new devices as they come out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_and_monitors

Paul


All very good information Paul. Do you look this stuff up or have you
known it all before? Most of the time I get by from things I already
know. Sometimes I have to look things up. But some of the things you
come up with, I wouldn't have ever guessed.

Anyway some have actually got Windows 8 running somewhat reasonable on
their Dell Latitude ST (although unsupported by Dell). And all Dell has
to do is just update their drivers for Windows 8. But they won't do it.
Seems odd for a model that only has been out a year and they are still
selling it. And just a little bit of effort on their part and they can
make it seamless. But they can't bother.

Anyway here is an example how others have got Windows 8 to work somewhat
on the Dell Latitude ST without Dell's help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUmcyWNDGiY

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2


  #37  
Old November 30th 12, 12:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default Windows 7 users who upgraded to 8 question.

BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Paul typed:
BillW50 wrote:
On 11/29/2012 5:08 AM, Joe Morris wrote:
wrote:
I think it is crap for a relatively high dollar (at the
time)
26 inch touchscreen pc to not be supported. I also think it is a
just a tad irritating that the upgrade advisor said it would work
fine. No exclamation points, no warnings at all. Unfortunately
for me I made the stupid mistake of downloading and installing win
8 pro without checking
HP first! I take the blame for that part but still "BE WARNED".
If it's any consolation, consider the problems that are encountered
by users
who purchased the original Microsoft Surface a few years ago. Its
touchscreen features are supported under Vista...period.

I did get something of a chuckle out of the situation, though. At
my POE surplus desktop and laptop systems not picked up by one of
the labs goes to
an occasional auction to the staff. I had bought a Lenovo tablet
at a time
when it looked like we would be moving in that direction (I own the
corporate Windows configuration specs); we didn't, and a couple of
years later I surplused the box. None of the labs picked it up so
it went to auction.

The humor? Our property tracking system has a limited field for the
description, and by chance the word "TABLET" at the end had the
final "T" clipped off. Watching the over-enthusiastic bidding I
strongly suspect that
whoever paid top dollar for it thought he was getting a "TABLE" and
not a "TABLET" even though the box was clearly described as coming
from Lenovo. (BTW: the auction has a no-questions-asked 3-day return
policy, so
if he did
make that mistake he wasn't locked into the purchase.)

Joe
My new Dell Latitude ST (tablet) which is on order and I haven't got
yet, Dell originally said it will be Windows 8 compatible. They are
currently being sold by Dell and others with Windows 7 installed. And
now I am finding out that Dell doesn't and will never support
Windows 8 on these tablets. This makes no sense to me at all. Yet
these old Gateways M465 will run XP, Vista, 7, and 8. Go figure!

It could be the level of multi-touch support, which makes them
"shy" to support Windows 8.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2...windows-8.aspx

"The touch language allows us to design a base user experience that
is optimized for touch and works well on every PC, whether it was
built originally for Windows 7 or for Windows 8. The fundamental
gestures require no more than *2 fingers*.

However it is important to note that 2 fingers can be very
limiting for a variety of applications. This is why Windows 8 PCs
require digitizers that support a minimum of *5 fingers*.

The reason we went in this direction is a response to developer
feedback. Developers do not want their creativity to be limited
--- !!! and in particular, they let us know that they want to be
free to use whichever multi-finger gestures or controls are
useful. They do not want requirements for a minimum number of
fingers that may not make sense for their application.
As such, we focused on a minimum of 5 fingers to enable scenarios
like whole hand interactions (all 5 fingers) or
multi-finger/multi-hand scenarios. This will address the
feedback, and unlocks opportunities for developers to push the
envelope with multi-touch applications. So, while we ensure that
the OS works well with a Windows 7 PC, a new Windows 8 PC is
going to be much more consistent and predictable both from a user
and developer perspective. "
There's a list here, of the new devices as they come out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_and_monitors

Paul


All very good information Paul. Do you look this stuff up or have you
known it all before? Most of the time I get by from things I already
know. Sometimes I have to look things up. But some of the things you
come up with, I wouldn't have ever guessed.

Anyway some have actually got Windows 8 running somewhat reasonable on
their Dell Latitude ST (although unsupported by Dell). And all Dell has
to do is just update their drivers for Windows 8. But they won't do it.
Seems odd for a model that only has been out a year and they are still
selling it. And just a little bit of effort on their part and they can
make it seamless. But they can't bother.

Anyway here is an example how others have got Windows 8 to work somewhat
on the Dell Latitude ST without Dell's help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUmcyWNDGiY


Hmmm. I just noticed something else :-)

Apple iPad All-in-One iOS 11 9.7 inch (diagonally) 2048x1536 $499 – $829

The "11" thing. So it's "finger envy" :-) Hahaha. A competitor has
a screen with 11 point touch. And that drives your design,
instead of doing your own elegant gesture design.

I worked with a CAD tool years ago, that had gestures.
And the gestures could be entered with a single point of
touch. There's no need to have "11 fingers", if you're clever.

Paul


  #38  
Old November 30th 12, 04:26 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gene E. Bloch[_2_]
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:14:20 -0500, Paul wrote:

Apple iPad All-in-One iOS 11 9.7 inch (diagonally) 2048x1536 $499 ¡V $829

The "11" thing. So it's "finger envy" :-) Hahaha. A competitor has
a screen with 11 point touch. And that drives your design,
instead of doing your own elegant gesture design.


My first thought was "What's the 11th finger?". I was restrained enough
to figure it might be the nose...

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  #39  
Old November 30th 12, 06:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:14:20 -0500, Paul wrote:

Apple iPad All-in-One iOS 11 9.7 inch (diagonally) 2048x1536 $499 ¡V $829

The "11" thing. So it's "finger envy" :-) Hahaha. A competitor has
a screen with 11 point touch. And that drives your design,
instead of doing your own elegant gesture design.


My first thought was "What's the 11th finger?". I was restrained enough
to figure it might be the nose...


Take a look at the picture on the right, and you'll see who it's for :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyly

I think this is great. I first heard about this
in biology class in high school. Think of the
iron grip and firm handshake you'd have.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...olydactyly.jpg

Paul
  #40  
Old November 30th 12, 07:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gene E. Bloch[_2_]
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:42:17 -0500, Paul wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:14:20 -0500, Paul wrote:

Apple iPad All-in-One iOS 11 9.7 inch (diagonally) 2048x1536 $499 ¡V $829

The "11" thing. So it's "finger envy" :-) Hahaha. A competitor has
a screen with 11 point touch. And that drives your design,
instead of doing your own elegant gesture design.


My first thought was "What's the 11th finger?". I was restrained enough
to figure it might be the nose...


Take a look at the picture on the right, and you'll see who it's for :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyly

I think this is great. I first heard about this
in biology class in high school. Think of the
iron grip and firm handshake you'd have.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...olydactyly.jpg

Paul


Think of the fun you'd have thumbing your nose at someone :-)

In New England (and in some other regions of the world I've read about
but forgotten) polydactyly is common among domestic cats. They also
display it as an extra thumb (well, that's what I think it is) on the
front paws.

I saw a play many years ago in a tiny theater in Pittsburgh, PA, in
which the young daughter of the family had polydactyly. The family saved
and scraped to have surgery to make her normal, and when it was done,
the daughter died.

IIRC, she had an extra finger, rather than two thumbs.

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  #41  
Old December 5th 12, 12:37 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Richard Rose
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FDK presented the following explanation :
Any good? On a desktop or laptop.


It works and is probably best used just for a touch enabled laptop but
make sure you have cleaning cloths for your monitors, greasy fingers
are a nuisance and spoiil the experience!

It will also slow down in time when MS start releasing updates or new
versions of Internet Explorer just the same with previous versions of
windows and its a bit more dumbed down for people who dont have a clue
about computers whilst infuriating advanced users and programmers. Have
found the odd bug in windows 8 already which no doubt will be exploited
by some as well.

IMO Win 8 should detect whether the screen is a touchscreen and then
show the relevant GUI ie metro for touchscreen or traditional desktop
if no touchscreen becuase its pointless trying to use Metro with a
mouse, charms is flaky and we are advising our corporate users to steer
clear of it as it will cause too many support calls. Oh and I cant get
it to recognise more than 1 monitor which is bit pointless as I have 6
monitors on my desktop system but from what I have seen regarding multi
monitor support, its taken some features from Ultramon but not all like
a hot key to move an app from one monitor to the other and other little
hot keys tricks.

This release will probably hurt MS alot, sales data shows windows 8
seats are down 21% IIRC compared to Win7 seats over the same time
period.


 




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