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Epson V600 scanner and Win8
I am having lots of grief from this device on my sons computer.
First Some background on hardware and software. Intel i7 950 3.06 Mhz Gigabyte GA-58-UD5 MB with original Bios FA 6 GB Kingston HyperX 1600 Mhz memory HIS Radeon HD5850 1GB Video card Cooler master 850 watt modular PS Samsung S223c DVD drive Seagate 500 GB 7200 RPM hard drive cooler master CM690-II Case Logitech G110 wired KB Logitech M510 wireless mouse Kodak ESP 5250 Printer Scanner all in one Epson V600 Scanner Logitech 2.1 Speaker system with on board sound Windows-8 64bit Kodak printer software and drivers Ver 7.6 Epson scanner software and drivers Ver 3.84A I built this machine a little more than 2 years ago and it has been running fine ever since WITH Windows-7 and the listed hardware, The trouble started as soon as I installed Windows-8. Clean install on a formatted drive Everything went fine no problems, Installed updated Video drivers and whatever else then made a Macrium Reflect backup and also a Windows Restore point. Then I installed the Kodak and Epson drivers and software and plugged in the devices on USB2 ports and tested both, The Epson V600 Scanner and Kodak ESP 5250 Printer and scanner all worked flawlessly. Used the system for the rest of the day,All OK. Next morning when the system was restarted it would not boot but message came up that advised the system had a problem and would need a windows repair, tried to do that by going into the continue or repair screen but it needed the Microsoft password, so typed it in and windrows rejected it as invalid, and i Know positively it is correct as i recorded it on the Win 64 bit DVD sleeve. OK I said, I will run the Win-8 DVD and go from there, Well the F-12 key for the boot menu would not work as I needed to boot the Optical drive, So I said I will go and change it in the bios, Nope the DEL key won't work Either. Well I had to pull my keyboard from my own machine and try that, It worked fine, both keys OK with my steelseries keyboard. BTW the Logitech keyboard F-12 and DEL keys worked fine before and work fine now. OK did a Win-8 reset from the Win-8 64bit disk and all is fine as I removed the Epson V600 and the Kodak ESP 5250 and Software and rebooted a few times, Now i did some more work and the story is the machine works A OK when i load and install either the Epson or Kodak but not both. BTW both sets of drivers are advertised as Win-8 compatible. Any Ideas on what is causing this? I think it's some kind of incompatibility between the 2 units but any help on solving it would be deeply appreciated. Regards and thanks for any advice, Rene |
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Epson V600 scanner and Win8
On 1/3/2013 10:37 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I am having lots of grief from this device on my sons computer. First Some background on hardware and software. Intel i7 950 3.06 Mhz Gigabyte GA-58-UD5 MB with original Bios FA 6 GB Kingston HyperX 1600 Mhz memory HIS Radeon HD5850 1GB Video card Cooler master 850 watt modular PS Samsung S223c DVD drive Seagate 500 GB 7200 RPM hard drive cooler master CM690-II Case Logitech G110 wired KB Logitech M510 wireless mouse Kodak ESP 5250 Printer Scanner all in one Epson V600 Scanner Logitech 2.1 Speaker system with on board sound Windows-8 64bit Kodak printer software and drivers Ver 7.6 Epson scanner software and drivers Ver 3.84A I built this machine a little more than 2 years ago and it has been running fine ever since WITH Windows-7 and the listed hardware, The trouble started as soon as I installed Windows-8. Clean install on a formatted drive Everything went fine no problems, Installed updated Video drivers and whatever else then made a Macrium Reflect backup and also a Windows Restore point. Then I installed the Kodak and Epson drivers and software and plugged in the devices on USB2 ports and tested both, The Epson V600 Scanner and Kodak ESP 5250 Printer and scanner all worked flawlessly. Used the system for the rest of the day,All OK. Next morning when the system was restarted it would not boot but message came up that advised the system had a problem and would need a windows repair, tried to do that by going into the continue or repair screen but it needed the Microsoft password, so typed it in and windrows rejected it as invalid, and i Know positively it is correct as i recorded it on the Win 64 bit DVD sleeve. OK I said, I will run the Win-8 DVD and go from there, Well the F-12 key for the boot menu would not work as I needed to boot the Optical drive, So I said I will go and change it in the bios, Nope the DEL key won't work Either. Well I had to pull my keyboard from my own machine and try that, It worked fine, both keys OK with my steelseries keyboard. BTW the Logitech keyboard F-12 and DEL keys worked fine before and work fine now. OK did a Win-8 reset from the Win-8 64bit disk and all is fine as I removed the Epson V600 and the Kodak ESP 5250 and Software and rebooted a few times, Now i did some more work and the story is the machine works A OK when i load and install either the Epson or Kodak but not both. BTW both sets of drivers are advertised as Win-8 compatible. Any Ideas on what is causing this? I think it's some kind of incompatibility between the 2 units but any help on solving it would be deeply appreciated. Regards and thanks for any advice, Rene Gremlins maybe? Actually, you hit on several areas that have been problematic in the past. Scanner & printer drivers with software- Both seem to often be retreads of older drivers that incorporate "legacy" system functions/calls USB Keyboards - When all else fails, I usually revert to a PS2 keyboard and mouse. Sound Card drivers and accompanying software This has gotten a bit out of hand- MBD sound systems Video card sound systems Plugin or USB sound cards I've had various problems with the video card sound systems, realtech drivers, and ms drivers and utilities not getting along well. The password bit makes me think that the user profiles may have taken a hit for some reason. (It's happened to me with no obvious reasons) If the problem(s) are gone, and stay that way, fine. If not, The usual initial troubleshooting involves running diagnostics on the hardware. (Mem86, etc.) Clean contacts (Keyboard, etc) Finally, I usually end up starting with (as you did) a "clean" system, and adding things (hardware and software) one thing at a time. What's even more frustrating is that the add in order can make a difference. There's even a small chance that the "sunspots" were involved! |
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Epson V600 scanner and Win8
charlie wrote:
On 1/3/2013 10:37 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: I am having lots of grief from this device on my sons computer. First Some background on hardware and software. Intel i7 950 3.06 Mhz Gigabyte GA-58-UD5 MB with original Bios FA 6 GB Kingston HyperX 1600 Mhz memory HIS Radeon HD5850 1GB Video card Cooler master 850 watt modular PS Samsung S223c DVD drive Seagate 500 GB 7200 RPM hard drive cooler master CM690-II Case Logitech G110 wired KB Logitech M510 wireless mouse Kodak ESP 5250 Printer Scanner all in one Epson V600 Scanner Logitech 2.1 Speaker system with on board sound Windows-8 64bit Kodak printer software and drivers Ver 7.6 Epson scanner software and drivers Ver 3.84A I built this machine a little more than 2 years ago and it has been running fine ever since WITH Windows-7 and the listed hardware, The trouble started as soon as I installed Windows-8. Clean install on a formatted drive Everything went fine no problems, Installed updated Video drivers and whatever else then made a Macrium Reflect backup and also a Windows Restore point. Then I installed the Kodak and Epson drivers and software and plugged in the devices on USB2 ports and tested both, The Epson V600 Scanner and Kodak ESP 5250 Printer and scanner all worked flawlessly. Used the system for the rest of the day,All OK. Next morning when the system was restarted it would not boot but message came up that advised the system had a problem and would need a windows repair, tried to do that by going into the continue or repair screen but it needed the Microsoft password, so typed it in and windrows rejected it as invalid, and i Know positively it is correct as i recorded it on the Win 64 bit DVD sleeve. OK I said, I will run the Win-8 DVD and go from there, Well the F-12 key for the boot menu would not work as I needed to boot the Optical drive, So I said I will go and change it in the bios, Nope the DEL key won't work Either. Well I had to pull my keyboard from my own machine and try that, It worked fine, both keys OK with my steelseries keyboard. BTW the Logitech keyboard F-12 and DEL keys worked fine before and work fine now. OK did a Win-8 reset from the Win-8 64bit disk and all is fine as I removed the Epson V600 and the Kodak ESP 5250 and Software and rebooted a few times, Now i did some more work and the story is the machine works A OK when i load and install either the Epson or Kodak but not both. BTW both sets of drivers are advertised as Win-8 compatible. Any Ideas on what is causing this? I think it's some kind of incompatibility between the 2 units but any help on solving it would be deeply appreciated. Regards and thanks for any advice, Rene Gremlins maybe? Actually, you hit on several areas that have been problematic in the past. Scanner & printer drivers with software- Both seem to often be retreads of older drivers that incorporate "legacy" system functions/calls USB Keyboards - When all else fails, I usually revert to a PS2 keyboard and mouse. Sound Card drivers and accompanying software This has gotten a bit out of hand- MBD sound systems Video card sound systems Plugin or USB sound cards I've had various problems with the video card sound systems, realtech drivers, and ms drivers and utilities not getting along well. The password bit makes me think that the user profiles may have taken a hit for some reason. (It's happened to me with no obvious reasons) If the problem(s) are gone, and stay that way, fine. If not, The usual initial troubleshooting involves running diagnostics on the hardware. (Mem86, etc.) Clean contacts (Keyboard, etc) Finally, I usually end up starting with (as you did) a "clean" system, and adding things (hardware and software) one thing at a time. What's even more frustrating is that the add in order can make a difference. There's even a small chance that the "sunspots" were involved! The only thing I noticed about the setup, is the printer has scanning capability, as well as the Epson being a dedicated scanner. So there are two scanner devices connected, and potentially two scanner drivers. The scanning hardware should be entirely different, as one scanner uses a CMOS (CIS) sensor, the other a CCD, the resolutions are different by 5x or so, so the chip used probably isn't the same one. Scanning can be handled by a single chip, in the case of sub-$100 scanning devices. The Epson driver is dated 2010, and appears to be using some generic approach, which is why it claims to be "compatible" with Windows 8. It's either TWAIN or WIA or something. And I'm guessing the driver written for Vista, works in Win7 or Win8. The only reason the driver was re-released in 2010, was to fix a file write problem in a previous driver version. So Epson feels that driver is like gold, as they haven't been constantly tweaking it. As for the Kodak product... http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windo...&tempOsid=win8 but as those are "user votes", who knows what the people thought they were voting for. I'd much rather see a scheme where the users entered a few words as to what didn't work right. being able to click a vote button, isn't that useful. Paul |
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Epson V600 scanner and Win8
On 1/4/2013 10:55 AM, Paul wrote:
charlie wrote: On 1/3/2013 10:37 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: I am having lots of grief from this device on my sons computer. First Some background on hardware and software. Intel i7 950 3.06 Mhz Gigabyte GA-58-UD5 MB with original Bios FA 6 GB Kingston HyperX 1600 Mhz memory HIS Radeon HD5850 1GB Video card Cooler master 850 watt modular PS Samsung S223c DVD drive Seagate 500 GB 7200 RPM hard drive cooler master CM690-II Case Logitech G110 wired KB Logitech M510 wireless mouse Kodak ESP 5250 Printer Scanner all in one Epson V600 Scanner Logitech 2.1 Speaker system with on board sound Windows-8 64bit Kodak printer software and drivers Ver 7.6 Epson scanner software and drivers Ver 3.84A I built this machine a little more than 2 years ago and it has been running fine ever since WITH Windows-7 and the listed hardware, The trouble started as soon as I installed Windows-8. Clean install on a formatted drive Everything went fine no problems, Installed updated Video drivers and whatever else then made a Macrium Reflect backup and also a Windows Restore point. Then I installed the Kodak and Epson drivers and software and plugged in the devices on USB2 ports and tested both, The Epson V600 Scanner and Kodak ESP 5250 Printer and scanner all worked flawlessly. Used the system for the rest of the day,All OK. Next morning when the system was restarted it would not boot but message came up that advised the system had a problem and would need a windows repair, tried to do that by going into the continue or repair screen but it needed the Microsoft password, so typed it in and windrows rejected it as invalid, and i Know positively it is correct as i recorded it on the Win 64 bit DVD sleeve. OK I said, I will run the Win-8 DVD and go from there, Well the F-12 key for the boot menu would not work as I needed to boot the Optical drive, So I said I will go and change it in the bios, Nope the DEL key won't work Either. Well I had to pull my keyboard from my own machine and try that, It worked fine, both keys OK with my steelseries keyboard. BTW the Logitech keyboard F-12 and DEL keys worked fine before and work fine now. OK did a Win-8 reset from the Win-8 64bit disk and all is fine as I removed the Epson V600 and the Kodak ESP 5250 and Software and rebooted a few times, Now i did some more work and the story is the machine works A OK when i load and install either the Epson or Kodak but not both. BTW both sets of drivers are advertised as Win-8 compatible. Any Ideas on what is causing this? I think it's some kind of incompatibility between the 2 units but any help on solving it would be deeply appreciated. Regards and thanks for any advice, Rene Gremlins maybe? Actually, you hit on several areas that have been problematic in the past. Scanner & printer drivers with software- Both seem to often be retreads of older drivers that incorporate "legacy" system functions/calls USB Keyboards - When all else fails, I usually revert to a PS2 keyboard and mouse. Sound Card drivers and accompanying software This has gotten a bit out of hand- MBD sound systems Video card sound systems Plugin or USB sound cards I've had various problems with the video card sound systems, realtech drivers, and ms drivers and utilities not getting along well. The password bit makes me think that the user profiles may have taken a hit for some reason. (It's happened to me with no obvious reasons) If the problem(s) are gone, and stay that way, fine. If not, The usual initial troubleshooting involves running diagnostics on the hardware. (Mem86, etc.) Clean contacts (Keyboard, etc) Finally, I usually end up starting with (as you did) a "clean" system, and adding things (hardware and software) one thing at a time. What's even more frustrating is that the add in order can make a difference. There's even a small chance that the "sunspots" were involved! The only thing I noticed about the setup, is the printer has scanning capability, as well as the Epson being a dedicated scanner. So there are two scanner devices connected, and potentially two scanner drivers. The scanning hardware should be entirely different, as one scanner uses a CMOS (CIS) sensor, the other a CCD, the resolutions are different by 5x or so, so the chip used probably isn't the same one. Scanning can be handled by a single chip, in the case of sub-$100 scanning devices. The Epson driver is dated 2010, and appears to be using some generic approach, which is why it claims to be "compatible" with Windows 8. It's either TWAIN or WIA or something. And I'm guessing the driver written for Vista, works in Win7 or Win8. The only reason the driver was re-released in 2010, was to fix a file write problem in a previous driver version. So Epson feels that driver is like gold, as they haven't been constantly tweaking it. As for the Kodak product... http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windo...&tempOsid=win8 but as those are "user votes", who knows what the people thought they were voting for. I'd much rather see a scheme where the users entered a few words as to what didn't work right. being able to click a vote button, isn't that useful. Paul Thanks Paul and charlie, Yes the Epson driver is quite old, The Kodak fairly new, Dec 2012, I am going to experiment by installing a Cannon Lide 200 instead of the Epson and see what happens, Also will try different drivers and software with both Epson and Cannon scanners Specifically VueScan which has a free trial version. Will update this NG with results. Thanks, Rene |
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Epson V600 scanner and Win8
On 1/4/2013 4:29 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 1/4/2013 10:55 AM, Paul wrote: charlie wrote: On 1/3/2013 10:37 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: I am having lots of grief from this device on my sons computer. First Some background on hardware and software. Intel i7 950 3.06 Mhz Gigabyte GA-58-UD5 MB with original Bios FA 6 GB Kingston HyperX 1600 Mhz memory HIS Radeon HD5850 1GB Video card Cooler master 850 watt modular PS Samsung S223c DVD drive Seagate 500 GB 7200 RPM hard drive cooler master CM690-II Case Logitech G110 wired KB Logitech M510 wireless mouse Kodak ESP 5250 Printer Scanner all in one Epson V600 Scanner Logitech 2.1 Speaker system with on board sound Windows-8 64bit Kodak printer software and drivers Ver 7.6 Epson scanner software and drivers Ver 3.84A I built this machine a little more than 2 years ago and it has been running fine ever since WITH Windows-7 and the listed hardware, The trouble started as soon as I installed Windows-8. Clean install on a formatted drive Everything went fine no problems, Installed updated Video drivers and whatever else then made a Macrium Reflect backup and also a Windows Restore point. Then I installed the Kodak and Epson drivers and software and plugged in the devices on USB2 ports and tested both, The Epson V600 Scanner and Kodak ESP 5250 Printer and scanner all worked flawlessly. Used the system for the rest of the day,All OK. Next morning when the system was restarted it would not boot but message came up that advised the system had a problem and would need a windows repair, tried to do that by going into the continue or repair screen but it needed the Microsoft password, so typed it in and windrows rejected it as invalid, and i Know positively it is correct as i recorded it on the Win 64 bit DVD sleeve. OK I said, I will run the Win-8 DVD and go from there, Well the F-12 key for the boot menu would not work as I needed to boot the Optical drive, So I said I will go and change it in the bios, Nope the DEL key won't work Either. Well I had to pull my keyboard from my own machine and try that, It worked fine, both keys OK with my steelseries keyboard. BTW the Logitech keyboard F-12 and DEL keys worked fine before and work fine now. OK did a Win-8 reset from the Win-8 64bit disk and all is fine as I removed the Epson V600 and the Kodak ESP 5250 and Software and rebooted a few times, Now i did some more work and the story is the machine works A OK when i load and install either the Epson or Kodak but not both. BTW both sets of drivers are advertised as Win-8 compatible. Any Ideas on what is causing this? I think it's some kind of incompatibility between the 2 units but any help on solving it would be deeply appreciated. Regards and thanks for any advice, Rene Gremlins maybe? Actually, you hit on several areas that have been problematic in the past. Scanner & printer drivers with software- Both seem to often be retreads of older drivers that incorporate "legacy" system functions/calls USB Keyboards - When all else fails, I usually revert to a PS2 keyboard and mouse. Sound Card drivers and accompanying software This has gotten a bit out of hand- MBD sound systems Video card sound systems Plugin or USB sound cards I've had various problems with the video card sound systems, realtech drivers, and ms drivers and utilities not getting along well. The password bit makes me think that the user profiles may have taken a hit for some reason. (It's happened to me with no obvious reasons) If the problem(s) are gone, and stay that way, fine. If not, The usual initial troubleshooting involves running diagnostics on the hardware. (Mem86, etc.) Clean contacts (Keyboard, etc) Finally, I usually end up starting with (as you did) a "clean" system, and adding things (hardware and software) one thing at a time. What's even more frustrating is that the add in order can make a difference. There's even a small chance that the "sunspots" were involved! The only thing I noticed about the setup, is the printer has scanning capability, as well as the Epson being a dedicated scanner. So there are two scanner devices connected, and potentially two scanner drivers. The scanning hardware should be entirely different, as one scanner uses a CMOS (CIS) sensor, the other a CCD, the resolutions are different by 5x or so, so the chip used probably isn't the same one. Scanning can be handled by a single chip, in the case of sub-$100 scanning devices. The Epson driver is dated 2010, and appears to be using some generic approach, which is why it claims to be "compatible" with Windows 8. It's either TWAIN or WIA or something. And I'm guessing the driver written for Vista, works in Win7 or Win8. The only reason the driver was re-released in 2010, was to fix a file write problem in a previous driver version. So Epson feels that driver is like gold, as they haven't been constantly tweaking it. As for the Kodak product... http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windo...&tempOsid=win8 but as those are "user votes", who knows what the people thought they were voting for. I'd much rather see a scheme where the users entered a few words as to what didn't work right. being able to click a vote button, isn't that useful. Paul Thanks Paul and charlie, Yes the Epson driver is quite old, The Kodak fairly new, Dec 2012, I am going to experiment by installing a Cannon Lide 200 instead of the Epson and see what happens, Also will try different drivers and software with both Epson and Cannon scanners Specifically VueScan which has a free trial version. Will update this NG with results. Thanks, Rene Viewscan can be a good choice. I use the "pro" version, which supports "calibration". My last scanner was an HP, which I retired when I went to Win 7 and Epson all in ones. Viewscan supports them, and they can be networked. (Useful when you have a document feeder) There is a big gotcha, in that the OEM scanner drivers might still be required. Check the list. At least, you can try the freebee version. Remember that I mentioned that the install order of the scanner and printer drivers may make a difference. It's also possible that you might be able to uninstall the all in one scanner driver only. An additional area to look at might be the printer's monitor/status software. I don't know anything about Kodak's stuff, but the Epsons use a status monitor that can occasionally cause problems. In the past, with multiple scanners, I was able to use the WIA driver scheme on one, and the OEM drivers for the other. (Something that I'd not recommend these days, other than a last resort.) My overall impression of scanner drivers is that they are not that great, are often not updated for new windows versions, and have had some real problems. Twain used to work fairly well, and then Microsoft's WIA came out. Then, things started going downhill, unless you had a really high end scanner. |
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On 1/4/2013 5:36 PM, charlie wrote:
On 1/4/2013 4:29 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 1/4/2013 10:55 AM, Paul wrote: charlie wrote: On 1/3/2013 10:37 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: I am having lots of grief from this device on my sons computer. First Some background on hardware and software. Intel i7 950 3.06 Mhz Gigabyte GA-58-UD5 MB with original Bios FA 6 GB Kingston HyperX 1600 Mhz memory HIS Radeon HD5850 1GB Video card Cooler master 850 watt modular PS Samsung S223c DVD drive Seagate 500 GB 7200 RPM hard drive cooler master CM690-II Case Logitech G110 wired KB Logitech M510 wireless mouse Kodak ESP 5250 Printer Scanner all in one Epson V600 Scanner Logitech 2.1 Speaker system with on board sound Windows-8 64bit Kodak printer software and drivers Ver 7.6 Epson scanner software and drivers Ver 3.84A I built this machine a little more than 2 years ago and it has been running fine ever since WITH Windows-7 and the listed hardware, The trouble started as soon as I installed Windows-8. Clean install on a formatted drive Everything went fine no problems, Installed updated Video drivers and whatever else then made a Macrium Reflect backup and also a Windows Restore point. Then I installed the Kodak and Epson drivers and software and plugged in the devices on USB2 ports and tested both, The Epson V600 Scanner and Kodak ESP 5250 Printer and scanner all worked flawlessly. Used the system for the rest of the day,All OK. Next morning when the system was restarted it would not boot but message came up that advised the system had a problem and would need a windows repair, tried to do that by going into the continue or repair screen but it needed the Microsoft password, so typed it in and windrows rejected it as invalid, and i Know positively it is correct as i recorded it on the Win 64 bit DVD sleeve. OK I said, I will run the Win-8 DVD and go from there, Well the F-12 key for the boot menu would not work as I needed to boot the Optical drive, So I said I will go and change it in the bios, Nope the DEL key won't work Either. Well I had to pull my keyboard from my own machine and try that, It worked fine, both keys OK with my steelseries keyboard. BTW the Logitech keyboard F-12 and DEL keys worked fine before and work fine now. OK did a Win-8 reset from the Win-8 64bit disk and all is fine as I removed the Epson V600 and the Kodak ESP 5250 and Software and rebooted a few times, Now i did some more work and the story is the machine works A OK when i load and install either the Epson or Kodak but not both. BTW both sets of drivers are advertised as Win-8 compatible. Any Ideas on what is causing this? I think it's some kind of incompatibility between the 2 units but any help on solving it would be deeply appreciated. Regards and thanks for any advice, Rene Gremlins maybe? Actually, you hit on several areas that have been problematic in the past. Scanner & printer drivers with software- Both seem to often be retreads of older drivers that incorporate "legacy" system functions/calls USB Keyboards - When all else fails, I usually revert to a PS2 keyboard and mouse. Sound Card drivers and accompanying software This has gotten a bit out of hand- MBD sound systems Video card sound systems Plugin or USB sound cards I've had various problems with the video card sound systems, realtech drivers, and ms drivers and utilities not getting along well. The password bit makes me think that the user profiles may have taken a hit for some reason. (It's happened to me with no obvious reasons) If the problem(s) are gone, and stay that way, fine. If not, The usual initial troubleshooting involves running diagnostics on the hardware. (Mem86, etc.) Clean contacts (Keyboard, etc) Finally, I usually end up starting with (as you did) a "clean" system, and adding things (hardware and software) one thing at a time. What's even more frustrating is that the add in order can make a difference. There's even a small chance that the "sunspots" were involved! The only thing I noticed about the setup, is the printer has scanning capability, as well as the Epson being a dedicated scanner. So there are two scanner devices connected, and potentially two scanner drivers. The scanning hardware should be entirely different, as one scanner uses a CMOS (CIS) sensor, the other a CCD, the resolutions are different by 5x or so, so the chip used probably isn't the same one. Scanning can be handled by a single chip, in the case of sub-$100 scanning devices. The Epson driver is dated 2010, and appears to be using some generic approach, which is why it claims to be "compatible" with Windows 8. It's either TWAIN or WIA or something. And I'm guessing the driver written for Vista, works in Win7 or Win8. The only reason the driver was re-released in 2010, was to fix a file write problem in a previous driver version. So Epson feels that driver is like gold, as they haven't been constantly tweaking it. As for the Kodak product... http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windo...&tempOsid=win8 but as those are "user votes", who knows what the people thought they were voting for. I'd much rather see a scheme where the users entered a few words as to what didn't work right. being able to click a vote button, isn't that useful. Paul Thanks Paul and charlie, Yes the Epson driver is quite old, The Kodak fairly new, Dec 2012, I am going to experiment by installing a Cannon Lide 200 instead of the Epson and see what happens, Also will try different drivers and software with both Epson and Cannon scanners Specifically VueScan which has a free trial version. Will update this NG with results. Thanks, Rene Viewscan can be a good choice. I use the "pro" version, which supports "calibration". My last scanner was an HP, which I retired when I went to Win 7 and Epson all in ones. Viewscan supports them, and they can be networked. (Useful when you have a document feeder) There is a big gotcha, in that the OEM scanner drivers might still be required. Check the list. At least, you can try the freebee version. Remember that I mentioned that the install order of the scanner and printer drivers may make a difference. It's also possible that you might be able to uninstall the all in one scanner driver only. An additional area to look at might be the printer's monitor/status software. I don't know anything about Kodak's stuff, but the Epsons use a status monitor that can occasionally cause problems. In the past, with multiple scanners, I was able to use the WIA driver scheme on one, and the OEM drivers for the other. (Something that I'd not recommend these days, other than a last resort.) My overall impression of scanner drivers is that they are not that great, are often not updated for new windows versions, and have had some real problems. Twain used to work fairly well, and then Microsoft's WIA came out. Then, things started going downhill, unless you had a really high end scanner. Hello again, got it working with Charlie and Paul's help which got my gears turning, I found that the repair account password for Microsoft was not that account, what it wanted in not too plain English was my log in password for the system, Seeing I don't use a log in password a simple tap on return key solved that part. Now to the other part, after doing much newsgroup reading I got Charlies Hint of Ink monitors giving trouble so I installed Winpatrol and set the Kodak software for a 60 second delay. I also went into the Epson EXE file and set it to Windows 7 Compatibility mode and also set it to run as administrator. Now after many reboots and tests everything seems ok, I even set the day 3 days in the future to see if would crash as it did before a day or 2 later, Seems all OK now ( Crosses Fingers). You Know, at 79 this stuff is getting harder to figure out, Or maybe I'm slowing down. Thanks for your help Charlie and Paul, Rene |
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