Win 10 a disaster.

On 06/12/2015 23:36, John Nice wrote:
What was wrong with 8.1? It's being supported until 2023.

I guess MS will focus on W10 development, not 8.1. If you are interested
in new features, W10 is the way to go.
On the other hand, if you are satisfied with 8.1 or 7, do keep them, as
they are probably better choices in terms of stability.

On 12/6/2015 5:36 PM, John Nice wrote:
On 06/12/2015 11:48, Kenny wrote:
Upgraded Acer laptop from Win 8.1. First thing Start button didn't do
anything, used the "fix" from command prompt shown he
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/wi...ws-10-3623893/


Thought it had worked until I discovered many of my programs weren't
showing and many of the ones which did won't work from there!
Windows Live Mail doesn't show at all and I had to burrow through
Programs to find it to check my mail and post this comment.
My plan now is to try a fresh install on a blank HDD, I've downloaded a
Win 10 ISO separately, although tempted to just forget Win 10 and stick
with Win 8.1. Used Belarc Advisor to get Win 8.1 serial, is that all I
need?
Would also add that the PC has slowed considerably since upgrading and I
have about 20GB wasted space with Windows.old and $WINDOWS.~BT


Kenny Cargill
What was wrong with 8.1? It's being supported until 2023.

You know what...not a thing.

I put Win 10 on my laptop. I find it annoying and intrusive; Win 8.1 has
not failed me on my desktop, has never crashed and took everything I
threw at it w/o a complaint.

OTOH, any company that sneaks in KB's that gets you setup for Win 10
without your knowledge doesn't deserve trust or my business. There were
two more of those little buggers this week; one for Win 7 and one for
Win 8.1. Worst of all, you can't manage your own PC with the update
setup. I may be an idiot, but I can be an idiot w/o their help.

"Kenny" wrote in message
om...
Upgraded Acer laptop from Win 8.1. First thing Start button didn't do
anything, used the "fix" from command prompt shown he
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/wi...ws-10-3623893/
Thought it had worked until I discovered many of my programs weren't
showing and many of the ones which did won't work from there!
Windows Live Mail doesn't show at all and I had to burrow through
Programs to find it to check my mail and post this comment.
My plan now is to try a fresh install on a blank HDD, I've downloaded
a Win 10 ISO separately, although tempted to just forget Win 10 and
stick with Win 8.1. Used Belarc Advisor to get Win 8.1 serial, is
that all I need?
Would also add that the PC has slowed considerably since upgrading and
I have about 20GB wasted space with Windows.old and $WINDOWS.~BT

Once your upgraded copy of Win 10 is activated, you can do a clean
install and won't need to enter a product key. Besides, a Win 8 product
key cannot be used for a Win 10 install.

Kenny wrote:
Found this disassembly guide after I had already done it:
http://www.myfixguide.com/manual/ace...g-disassembly/
My fear is damaging one of those ZIF connectors when removing and
reconnecting ribbon cables, it has happened before. My understanding is
that the black part should easily flip up to release the cable, I didn't
find it that simple!

Kenny

That's an impressive disassembly.

For the USB cable, you could try undoing the screws on the
two port PCB and pull up the PCB and move it out of the way,
to access the hard drive. But messing with a keyboard cable,
touchpad cable, LCD panel cable, might still be necessary
(and not spelled out on that page).

You might have considered the purchase of an
optical drive bay adapter module for SATA storage
devices. And put the SSD in that. If the laptop shipped
with a "plastic filler" module instead of an optical drive,
perhaps fitting one of these would not be as difficult.
With this, now you have "two hard drives", the regular one,
and the SSD sits in your DVD bay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2nd-SSD-HDD-...#ht_5100wt_922

And using that module, assumes the BIOS has enough settings
to define the boot order. Which isn't a given. A lack of
BIOS settings could shoot this project in the foot. The project
is a "go" if the BIOS is full-featured.

Paul

PAS wrote:


Once your upgraded copy of Win 10 is activated, you can do a clean
install and won't need to enter a product key. Besides, a Win 8 product
key cannot be used for a Win 10 install.

Not as of 10586 DVD download.

That DVD allows entering the Win7 or Win8.1 qualifying
OS license key directly. Subject to the usual Microsoft
screw-ups of course. The feature was first available
in the 10565 Insider DVD, and is also in the 10586
regular track DVD.

The original 10240 DVD is not designed to accept
Win7 or Win8 keys. Direct key acceptance came later.

Paul

On Sun, 06 Dec 2015 17:46:08 -0500, Nil
wrote:

On 06 Dec 2015, John Nice wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

What was wrong with 8.1? It's being supported until 2023.

But... but... but... Windows 10 is *FREE*!

Considering what you get, that's too expensive for me.

On 12/6/2015 12:32 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:

In a nutshell, Windows 10 is not ready for average users unless they
have Geek Squad on rapid dial.


Rapid dialing Geek Squad is like asking the elementary school choir for
help.

That was funny. But as the family computer guy I get lots of
invitations to dinner. Only think idiot support knows today is OEM
reinstalls. Gets kind of dry.

Interesting idea replacing DVD drive with an HDD caddy, I didn't know until
now that was possible and thinking seriously about it.

Kenny

"Paul" wrote in message ...

Kenny wrote:
Found this disassembly guide after I had already done it:
http://www.myfixguide.com/manual/ace...g-disassembly/
My fear is damaging one of those ZIF connectors when removing and
reconnecting ribbon cables, it has happened before. My understanding is
that the black part should easily flip up to release the cable, I didn't
find it that simple!

Kenny

That's an impressive disassembly.

For the USB cable, you could try undoing the screws on the
two port PCB and pull up the PCB and move it out of the way,
to access the hard drive. But messing with a keyboard cable,
touchpad cable, LCD panel cable, might still be necessary
(and not spelled out on that page).

You might have considered the purchase of an
optical drive bay adapter module for SATA storage
devices. And put the SSD in that. If the laptop shipped
with a "plastic filler" module instead of an optical drive,
perhaps fitting one of these would not be as difficult.
With this, now you have "two hard drives", the regular one,
and the SSD sits in your DVD bay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2nd-SSD-HDD-...#ht_5100wt_922

And using that module, assumes the BIOS has enough settings
to define the boot order. Which isn't a given. A lack of
BIOS settings could shoot this project in the foot. The project
is a "go" if the BIOS is full-featured.

Paul

"Paul" wrote in message
...
PAS wrote:


Once your upgraded copy of Win 10 is activated, you can do a clean
install and won't need to enter a product key. Besides, a Win 8
product key cannot be used for a Win 10 install.

Not as of 10586 DVD download.

That DVD allows entering the Win7 or Win8.1 qualifying
OS license key directly. Subject to the usual Microsoft
screw-ups of course. The feature was first available
in the 10565 Insider DVD, and is also in the 10586
regular track DVD.

The original 10240 DVD is not designed to accept
Win7 or Win8 keys. Direct key acceptance came later.

Paul

Thanks for pointing that out. I've updated to 10586 via Windows update.
So, now someone can upgrade to Win10 with a fresh install without having
first upgraded a version 7 or 8 or 8.1 OS as long as they have a valid
key.

PAS wrote:


Thanks for pointing that out. I've updated to 10586 via Windows update.
So, now someone can upgrade to Win10 with a fresh install without having
first upgraded a version 7 or 8 or 8.1 OS as long as they have a valid key.

I don't plan on testing it, but that was the word.

It would be a reason to own a 10586 DVD.

Paul

On 12/7/2015 1:53 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 06 Dec 2015 17:46:08 -0500, Nil
wrote:

On 06 Dec 2015, John Nice wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

What was wrong with 8.1? It's being supported until 2023.

But... but... but... Windows 10 is *FREE*!

Considering what you get, that's too expensive for me.

Win 10 is mainly another marketing scheme.
With out it, MS would not have an excuse to sell the "latest and
greatest" As a user, Win7 or 8.1 work quite well, although I
occasionally still miss some of the stuff we could do with the
really older windows versions. Something about real time operations
and custom drivers as I recall.

Times are a changin! The latest effort is to use a Raspberry Pi 2B for
hardware control, and talk to it via windows on a P/C, with a Wi-Fi
link. Linux has far less restrictions and so forth to deal with.

Besides, a $35 computer with a gig of ram, USB,audio,HDMI, etc. is
not to be sneezed at!

Unfortunately, it looks like my router packed it in this evening,
so I'll have to go get a new one. Seems that they design them to fail
after several years.

Took the plunge and replaced HDD with SSD, not overly difficult but was very
careful disconnecting and reconnecting those ribbon cables/ZIF sockets, used
a plastic spudger. I had no idea spudger was even a word until I did this!
The Samsung migration software worked very well, it booted straight to
Windows with programs etc. intact. Only slight problem was when I put the
old HDD into a USB enclosure, the PC wouldn't recognise it, something to do
with ID's conflicting. Can't remember how I fixed it, found the answer via
Google and it was relatively simple.

Kenny

"Kenny" wrote in message
om...

Interesting idea replacing DVD drive with an HDD caddy, I didn't know until
now that was possible and thinking seriously about it.

Kenny

"Paul" wrote in message ...

Kenny wrote:
Found this disassembly guide after I had already done it:
http://www.myfixguide.com/manual/ace...g-disassembly/
My fear is damaging one of those ZIF connectors when removing and
reconnecting ribbon cables, it has happened before. My understanding is
that the black part should easily flip up to release the cable, I didn't
find it that simple!

Kenny

That's an impressive disassembly.

For the USB cable, you could try undoing the screws on the
two port PCB and pull up the PCB and move it out of the way,
to access the hard drive. But messing with a keyboard cable,
touchpad cable, LCD panel cable, might still be necessary
(and not spelled out on that page).

You might have considered the purchase of an
optical drive bay adapter module for SATA storage
devices. And put the SSD in that. If the laptop shipped
with a "plastic filler" module instead of an optical drive,
perhaps fitting one of these would not be as difficult.
With this, now you have "two hard drives", the regular one,
and the SSD sits in your DVD bay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2nd-SSD-HDD-...#ht_5100wt_922

And using that module, assumes the BIOS has enough settings
to define the boot order. Which isn't a given. A lack of
BIOS settings could shoot this project in the foot. The project
is a "go" if the BIOS is full-featured.

Paul


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On 14/12/2015 18:19, Kenny Cargill wrote:
Took the plunge and replaced HDD with SSD, not overly difficult but
was very careful disconnecting and reconnecting those ribbon
cables/ZIF sockets, used a plastic spudger. I had no idea spudger was
even a word until I did this!
The Samsung migration software worked very well, it booted straight to
Windows with programs etc. intact. Only slight problem was when I put
the old HDD into a USB enclosure, the PC wouldn't recognise it,
something to do with ID's conflicting. Can't remember how I fixed it,
found the answer via Google and it was relatively simple.



So the moral of the story is that Windows 10 is NOT a disaster after all.

Thank you for posting your success story. That is what we like to hear.

People like Kenny should be ashamed of themselves for being so stupid.
Perhaps he can learn a thing or two from you.

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