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Old October 20th 12, 03:02 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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XS11E wrote:
"Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" wrote:

XS11E wrote:
"Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" wrote:

NOTE: One thing you can do is NOT remove the OS and NOT
remove the entry from the boot menu but in the Edit tab check
the desired OS and check the "Skip the boot menu" box. That
leaves the 2nd OS in place but you'll never know it until
you re-run EasyBCD and uncheck the box. Not in this case. It
is time limited.
Yes, but leaving the partition full of bits and bytes may prevent
moths from getting in.....

I can always fill it with Linux builds.

I downloaded and installed EasyBCD. Pretty neat, but I have a
question. If I uninstall it will the native Windows 7 boot stuff be
restored?


It only alters the boot manager. There's no need to uninstall
EasyBCD.


I understand that there is no need to uninstall it, but what I want to,
anyway? Will it restore the original Windows MBR/GPT without doing a
repair with the Windows install disk or repair disk?
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  #17  
Old October 20th 12, 03:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"SC Tom" wrote in message ...


"XS11E" wrote in message
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"Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" wrote:

I have been putting off installing Win8 RTM on my Win7 machine in
a dual boot configuration because I wasn't sure about getting rid
of the dual boot after I removed Win8. Can you run that by me?


Easy, I install 'experimental' OSs on a separate partition or on a
separate HD. To remove it, I just format the partition or HD where
it's installed and it's gone!

Now all that's left is to fix the boot menu to remove the unwanted
entry, here's two ways to do it:

1. Open a command prompt as administrator and type BCDEDIT to see your
boot loader, type BCDEDIT /? for a list of commands that will tell you
how to fix/change things or do it the easy way:

2. Download EasyBCD:
http://download.cnet.com/EasyBCD/300...-10556865.html

Run it to install it and then run it and follow the prompts to remove
the entry for the unwanted OS. It's pretty self explanatory!

NOTE: One thing you can do is NOT remove the OS and NOT remove the
entry from the boot menu but in the Edit tab check the desired OS and
check the "Skip the boot menu" box. That leaves the 2nd OS in place
but you'll never know it until you re-run EasyBCD and uncheck the box.


I wonder. . . I have Win8 installed on a spare drive, and Win7 on the only
drive in my laptop. It has space for a second drive (I used slot that to
clone my primary shortly after purchasing it). If I installed EasyBCD on
the WIn7 drive, then put the Win8 drive in and booted to the primary Win7
drive, do you think I could add the Win8 drive as a boot option? I've used
EasyBCD before, but never on something like this. Might be worth a try
(after I image my primary).


Nah, didn't work. ASA it boots (even before I ran EasyBCD), Win7 wants to
run chkdsk on the Win8 drive (I didn't let it run). Then, when I added the
Win8 drive to the boot menu, I can select it, but it won't boot. It wants me
to put the Win8 DVD in so it can make repairs. If I was sure it wouldn't
affect the Win7 drive, I'd give it a try. Maybe later on this evening when
I've got time to do it, I'll give it a try and see what happens. Worse comes
to worst, I'll just pull that drive out and re-image my Win7 drive (if it
gets messed up).
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Old October 20th 12, 07:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Dave \"Crash\" Dummy" wrote:

XS11E wrote:
It only alters the boot manager. There's no need to uninstall
EasyBCD.


I understand that there is no need to uninstall it, but what I
want to, anyway? Will it restore the original Windows MBR/GPT
without doing a repair with the Windows install disk or repair
disk?


No, if you uninstall it, it will leave the boot manager as you last
modifed it. Remember, it's not replacing or uninstalling or installing
anything, it's just a visual shell to let you use BCDedit more easily.

Imagine you ran BCDedit w/o EasyBCD. You manually modify the boot
manager, it remains modified until you modifiy it again.

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Old October 23rd 12, 04:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message ...
I have been using Classic Shell for a while in Win 8 and like it very much,
Now I see there is another similar utility out there called Retro UI. Has
anyone tried it yet? Is it as good or better than classic shell ?
I am not able to try it now as I cleaned out my trial Win 8 RTM. I realize I
am asking this a little too soon and may get better responses in a couple
weeks, Thanks in advance for any answers anyway.

Regards, Rene


I've been trying out another start menu approach, this one runs
Windows 7 explorer.exe in Win8. So far it looks pretty good.
You can easily switch between Win7 and Win8 explorers.
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1573...for-windows-8/


  #20  
Old October 29th 12, 12:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Dave-UK" wrote in message ...

"Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message
...
I have been using Classic Shell for a while in Win 8 and like it very
much, Now I see there is another similar utility out there called Retro
UI. Has anyone tried it yet? Is it as good or better than classic shell
?
I am not able to try it now as I cleaned out my trial Win 8 RTM. I
realize I am asking this a little too soon and may get better responses
in a couple weeks, Thanks in advance for any answers anyway.

Regards, Rene


I've been trying out another start menu approach, this one runs Windows 7
explorer.exe in Win8. So far it looks pretty good.
You can easily switch between Win7 and Win8 explorers.
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1573...for-windows-8/


I like this! I saw your post here, and another by Andre in the Technet
forums, and decided to give it a try, and I'll probably keep it (if I keep
Windows 8).
Since I dislike the Win8 Game scenario, I also brought in a couple of the
Win7 ones (Solitaire and Free Cell) using the method described he

http://www.howtogeek.com/122145/what...-in-windows-8/

If I do much more to it, it'll just be another instance of Win7, so why
bother? I've seen a few posts about how much faster Win8 boots than Win7,
but I have to disagree. I have Win7 HP 64-bit on one drive, and Win8 Pro
64-bit on another identical drive in my laptop, and I choose what I want to
run from the boot menu (no dual boot). Booting to the Win7 is noticeably
faster than booting to Win8, even before doing and customization. There may
be better memory usage in Win8 than Win7 (I read that somewhere), but I have
never run out of memory on either of my Win7 64-bit or 32-bit machines, so
that's not a plus for me.

I figured, what the heck, for $15 I'll give Win8 a try. Whether or not I'll
keep it, I haven't decided yet.
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  #21  
Old October 29th 12, 07:18 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1573...for-windows-8/


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Old October 29th 12, 10:12 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"SC Tom" wrote in message ...


"Dave-UK" wrote in message ...


I've been trying out another start menu approach, this one runs Windows 7
explorer.exe in Win8. So far it looks pretty good.
You can easily switch between Win7 and Win8 explorers.
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1573...for-windows-8/


I like this! I saw your post here, and another by Andre in the Technet
forums, and decided to give it a try, and I'll probably keep it (if I keep
Windows 8).



The author of that Start menu fix has now written a new method without using Win7 files.
I think it's even better, you can switch between desktop and Metro via the mouse-wheel!
It's at the beta stage and free at the moment but he will be charging a small fee as it matures.
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1586...s-back-beta-3/




  #23  
Old October 30th 12, 08:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 10/18/2012 10:31 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I have been using Classic Shell for a while in Win 8 and like it very
much, Now I see there is another similar utility out there called Retro
UI. Has anyone tried it yet? Is it as good or better than classic shell ?
I am not able to try it now as I cleaned out my trial Win 8 RTM. I
realize I am asking this a little too soon and may get better responses
in a couple weeks, Thanks in advance for any answers anyway.

Regards, Rene

I have been reading all of the posts relating to Classic Start so I
downloaded it. My main desire was to be able to cut and paste the
entries in the menu. I can copy, but when I highlite an menu item where
I want to copy the item I do not get a paste option.

Dos this (or Cut & Paste) work in this application?
  #24  
Old October 30th 12, 10:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:55:48 -0400, Marv wrote:

On 10/18/2012 10:31 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I have been using Classic Shell for a while in Win 8 and like it very
much, Now I see there is another similar utility out there called Retro
UI. Has anyone tried it yet? Is it as good or better than classic shell ?
I am not able to try it now as I cleaned out my trial Win 8 RTM. I
realize I am asking this a little too soon and may get better responses
in a couple weeks, Thanks in advance for any answers anyway.

Regards, Rene

I have been reading all of the posts relating to Classic Start so I
downloaded it. My main desire was to be able to cut and paste the
entries in the menu. I can copy, but when I highlite an menu item where
I want to copy the item I do not get a paste option.

Dos this (or Cut & Paste) work in this application?


I don't really know what you mean by "highlite an menu item where I want
to copy the item", so I'll tell you what I do.

I click in an empty part of the file pane of the directory where I wish
to copy or move the object, then I choose Paste.

By "choose Paste", I mean either I press Ctrl-V or I right click in that
area and select Paste from the context menu.

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  #25  
Old October 30th 12, 11:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:55:48 -0400, Marv wrote:

On 10/18/2012 10:31 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I have been using Classic Shell for a while in Win 8 and like it very
much, Now I see there is another similar utility out there called Retro
UI. Has anyone tried it yet? Is it as good or better than classic
shell ?
I am not able to try it now as I cleaned out my trial Win 8 RTM. I
realize I am asking this a little too soon and may get better responses
in a couple weeks, Thanks in advance for any answers anyway.

Regards, Rene

I have been reading all of the posts relating to Classic Start so I
downloaded it. My main desire was to be able to cut and paste the
entries in the menu. I can copy, but when I highlite an menu item where
I want to copy the item I do not get a paste option.

Dos this (or Cut & Paste) work in this application?


I don't really know what you mean by "highlite an menu item where I want
to copy the item", so I'll tell you what I do.

I click in an empty part of the file pane of the directory where I wish
to copy or move the object, then I choose Paste.

By "choose Paste", I mean either I press Ctrl-V or I right click in that
area and select Paste from the context menu.

You can also right-click on the target folder and pick Paste.
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Old October 30th 12, 11:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:19:02 -0400, SC Tom wrote:

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:55:48 -0400, Marv wrote:

On 10/18/2012 10:31 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I have been using Classic Shell for a while in Win 8 and like it very
much, Now I see there is another similar utility out there called Retro
UI. Has anyone tried it yet? Is it as good or better than classic
shell ?
I am not able to try it now as I cleaned out my trial Win 8 RTM. I
realize I am asking this a little too soon and may get better responses
in a couple weeks, Thanks in advance for any answers anyway.

Regards, Rene

I have been reading all of the posts relating to Classic Start so I
downloaded it. My main desire was to be able to cut and paste the
entries in the menu. I can copy, but when I highlite an menu item where
I want to copy the item I do not get a paste option.

Dos this (or Cut & Paste) work in this application?


I don't really know what you mean by "highlite an menu item where I want
to copy the item", so I'll tell you what I do.

I click in an empty part of the file pane of the directory where I wish
to copy or move the object, then I choose Paste.

By "choose Paste", I mean either I press Ctrl-V or I right click in that
area and select Paste from the context menu.

You can also right-click on the target folder and pick Paste.


True. But I rarely do that, because I am clumsy enough to click on the
wrong folder occasionally. (This is not a joke.)

But of course, I still should have mentioned it.

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Old October 31st 12, 03:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:19:02 -0400, SC Tom wrote:

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:55:48 -0400, Marv wrote:

On 10/18/2012 10:31 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I have been using Classic Shell for a while in Win 8 and like it very
much, Now I see there is another similar utility out there called
Retro
UI. Has anyone tried it yet? Is it as good or better than classic
shell ?
I am not able to try it now as I cleaned out my trial Win 8 RTM. I
realize I am asking this a little too soon and may get better
responses
in a couple weeks, Thanks in advance for any answers anyway.

Regards, Rene

I have been reading all of the posts relating to Classic Start so I
downloaded it. My main desire was to be able to cut and paste the
entries in the menu. I can copy, but when I highlite an menu item
where
I want to copy the item I do not get a paste option.

Dos this (or Cut & Paste) work in this application?

I don't really know what you mean by "highlite an menu item where I want
to copy the item", so I'll tell you what I do.

I click in an empty part of the file pane of the directory where I wish
to copy or move the object, then I choose Paste.

By "choose Paste", I mean either I press Ctrl-V or I right click in that
area and select Paste from the context menu.

You can also right-click on the target folder and pick Paste.


True. But I rarely do that, because I am clumsy enough to click on the
wrong folder occasionally. (This is not a joke.)

But of course, I still should have mentioned it.


Oh, I believe you. I had to turn the sensitivity down on my mouse because of
that. I'd think I had the cursor over one folder and by the time I turned
loose of the right button, the damn thing had jumped to some other folder,
and I'd have to do a Search Everything for the file :-(
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  #28  
Old October 31st 12, 02:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Hi, Tom - and Gene.

That's why I usually hold down the RIGHT mouse button while Copying or
Moving files. Nothing gets committed until I release the button, giving me
time to read the popup showing the actual destination. And, even after the
release, it lets me choose between Copy and Move (or Cancel), giving me a
last chance to verify the destination, too.

RC
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"SC Tom" wrote in message ...


"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:19:02 -0400, SC Tom wrote:

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:55:48 -0400, Marv wrote:

On 10/18/2012 10:31 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I have been using Classic Shell for a while in Win 8 and like it very
much, Now I see there is another similar utility out there called
Retro
UI. Has anyone tried it yet? Is it as good or better than classic
shell ?
I am not able to try it now as I cleaned out my trial Win 8 RTM. I
realize I am asking this a little too soon and may get better
responses
in a couple weeks, Thanks in advance for any answers anyway.

Regards, Rene

I have been reading all of the posts relating to Classic Start so I
downloaded it. My main desire was to be able to cut and paste the
entries in the menu. I can copy, but when I highlite an menu item
where
I want to copy the item I do not get a paste option.

Dos this (or Cut & Paste) work in this application?

I don't really know what you mean by "highlite an menu item where I want
to copy the item", so I'll tell you what I do.

I click in an empty part of the file pane of the directory where I wish
to copy or move the object, then I choose Paste.

By "choose Paste", I mean either I press Ctrl-V or I right click in that
area and select Paste from the context menu.

You can also right-click on the target folder and pick Paste.


True. But I rarely do that, because I am clumsy enough to click on the
wrong folder occasionally. (This is not a joke.)

But of course, I still should have mentioned it.


Oh, I believe you. I had to turn the sensitivity down on my mouse because of
that. I'd think I had the cursor over one folder and by the time I turned
loose of the right button, the damn thing had jumped to some other folder,
and I'd have to do a Search Everything for the file :-(
--
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Old October 31st 12, 03:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:36:16 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:


That's why I usually hold down the RIGHT mouse button while Copying or
Moving files. Nothing gets committed until I release the button, giving me
time to read the popup showing the actual destination. And, even after the
release, it lets me choose between Copy and Move (or Cancel), giving me a
last chance to verify the destination, too.



I do the same thing, RC. I do it for the commitment reason you
mention, but mainly because I find it hard to remember under what
condition drag-and-drop means "copy" and under what conditions it
means "move." With right-drag, I don't have to remember.


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Old October 31st 12, 10:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:51:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:36:16 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:


That's why I usually hold down the RIGHT mouse button while Copying or
Moving files. Nothing gets committed until I release the button, giving me
time to read the popup showing the actual destination. And, even after the
release, it lets me choose between Copy and Move (or Cancel), giving me a
last chance to verify the destination, too.


I do the same thing, RC. I do it for the commitment reason you
mention, but mainly because I find it hard to remember under what
condition drag-and-drop means "copy" and under what conditions it
means "move." With right-drag, I don't have to remember.


Feel free to forget the following :-)

If it's to the same partition, without control it's move and with
control it's copy.

If it's to another partition, it's the reverse.

It seems that Microsoft thinks you normally want to move a file when
you're dragging it within your partition, whereas you normally want to
copy a file when you're dragging it between partitions.

I have the advantage of remembering that, but in truth, I don't like it
very much.

Before I forget: on my W7 system, when I am dragging a file, there is an
icon on the mouse cursor that shows whether the OS plans to move the
file or to copy it. I try to remember to look at that icon before
releasing the mouse button. Note that you can press or release Ctrl any
time before you release the mouse button.

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