Mozilla Thunderbird

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:33:41 -0500, "Rene Lamontagne"
wrote:


"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:47:24 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.

No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
and bottom-posting. Unreadable!

It is a terrible application.


Ditto! A very big ditto! In my opinion, it is the absolute *worst*
e-mail/newsreader program ever released.

Rene, you should be aware that if you use Windows 11 to post messages
here and in other newsgroups, you will soon find yourself on the
killfiles of many of us here. I don't killfile Windows Live Mail
posters because they are trolls or because I don't want to read what
they post; I killfile them because I *can not* read what they post,
and trying to do so is just a waste of my time.



--
Ken Blake

Ken I agree that WLM can't quote properly but what can I do if I can't get
Mozilla to send Emails? I've tried every thing I know how to get it to work


I know nothing about Mozilla, so I can't help you with it, but there
are many other better choices for e-mail than Windows Live Mail, and
there are many other better choices for a newsreader than Windows Live
Mail. Personally I use Outlook 2010 for e-mail and Forte Agent 6.0 as
my newsreader, but if I were in your shoes, I would explore the
alternatives rather than simply using what I use.

And by the way, I really don't care what you use for e-mail (as long
as you don't send me e-mail), but I do care what you use for
newsgroups if you are going to post here. So you can keep Windows Live
Mail for e-mail and use any other newsreading program; they are *all*
better than Windows Live Mail.


--
Ken Blake

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 13:29:59 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 11/1/2012 11:55 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:47:24 +0000 (UTC), Sam Hill
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:27:57 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.

No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
and bottom-posting. Unreadable!

It is a terrible application.


Ditto! A very big ditto! In my opinion, it is the absolute *worst*
e-mail/newsreader program ever released.

Rene, you should be aware that if you use Windows 11 to post messages
here and in other newsgroups, you will soon find yourself on the
killfiles of many of us here. I don't killfile Windows Live Mail
posters because they are trolls or because I don't want to read what
they post; I killfile them because I *can not* read what they post,
and trying to do so is just a waste of my time.





Hi Ken, I am using Tbird now for newsgroups for which it is marvelous
and easy to read and follow ngs,


Good, I'm glad you like it, although personally I have no opinion
about it other than that I'm sure it's better than Windows Live Mail.


My problem is I can't get Email to
work, I have spent many hours on this and I guess I am getting
frustrated. Not trying to PO anybody, so any help would be welcome.
As you can see from my reply to Crash dummy I cannot edit SMTP port
info,


As I said, I can't help you with it, but undoubtedly others here can.


any Pointers appreciated as I don't want to have to use two
different programs for mail and newsgroups.


Why not? I do. Many people do. E-mail and newsgroups are two different
things. Do you also want to use the same program for word processing
and spreadsheets (by the way, I once knew someone who did)? What's
wrong with using two different programs?

As far as I'm concerned, for each function, you should choose the
program you think is best for that function, without regard to what
you use for anything else, and without regard for wanting two
different functions to be the same suite. As a single example of that,
I use WordPerfect rather than Microsoft Word, because I think
WordPerfect is much better. But I use Microsoft Excel for spreadsheets
rather than Quattro Pro, which comes in the WordPerfect suite, because
I think Excel is better than Quattro Pro.



--
Ken Blake

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 10:15:50 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Sam Hill wrote:

Commence mis-quote:

It is a terrible application.

--
sam I KNOW THAT, What I meant was that it set up My Email and newsgroups
Like A Charm..... And if you have any USEFUL ideas feel free to post
them.
Rene

I already gave you a VERY USEFUL idea. Trash WLM. Uninstall it from your
computer. Everyone who has replied to you has given you this same advice.

Your inability (as described in other posts) to set the proper servers and
ports for Thunderbird is not a worthy excuse, as millions of others do not
have any such trouble as that. I've been using Thunderbird since version
0.2 (the first public release in 2002) and it has never failed to work.

BTW, the good reason to use separate apps for Mail and for News is to
prevent you from embarrassing yourself by sending a private email to a
newsgroup. I see that at least once a week from people who use all-in-one
applications.

--
sam

On 01 Nov 2012, "Rene Lamontagne" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I
also read on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may
also become a dead-end.

I suspect I'm wasting my time with this, since you already deleted
Thunderbird, but the answer is:

Tools | Account Settings | Outgoing Server (SMTP) | Edit. Set your
server port as required.

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:18:30 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I also
read on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may also become
a dead-end.

Oh yeah, on this point, you have misunderstood. Or you read somebody's
uninformed blog or something. Thunderbird is not a dead-end. The
developers feel that it already has all the features a worthy email app
should have and don't need to add any more fluff.

Updates - mainly for security - will continue to flow as expected.

--
sam

On 11/1/2012 4:15 PM, Nil wrote:
On 01 Nov 2012, "Rene Lamontagne" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I
also read on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may
also become a dead-end.

I suspect I'm wasting my time with this, since you already deleted
Thunderbird, but the answer is:

Tools | Account Settings | Outgoing Server (SMTP) | Edit. Set your
server port as required.


Thanks NIL, I still have it installed as I shall definitely use it as my
newsgroup reader from now on.
I missed that SMTP thing about 5 times and I don't know how (old age I
guess turned 78 last April)

Regards, Rene

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:41:32 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 11/1/2012 4:15 PM, Nil wrote:
On 01 Nov 2012, "Rene Lamontagne" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I
also read on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may
also become a dead-end.

I suspect I'm wasting my time with this, since you already deleted
Thunderbird, but the answer is:

Tools | Account Settings | Outgoing Server (SMTP) | Edit. Set your
server port as required.


Thanks NIL, I still have it installed as I shall definitely use it as my
newsgroup reader from now on.
I missed that SMTP thing about 5 times and I don't know how (old age I
guess turned 78 last April)

Regards, Rene

That's no excuse :-)

Anyway, with help, you now have "that SMTP thing", so all is
(presumably) good.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 11/1/2012 5:35 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:41:32 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 11/1/2012 4:15 PM, Nil wrote:
On 01 Nov 2012, "Rene Lamontagne" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I
also read on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may
also become a dead-end.

I suspect I'm wasting my time with this, since you already deleted
Thunderbird, but the answer is:

Tools | Account Settings | Outgoing Server (SMTP) | Edit. Set your
server port as required.


Thanks NIL, I still have it installed as I shall definitely use it as my
newsgroup reader from now on.
I missed that SMTP thing about 5 times and I don't know how (old age I
guess turned 78 last April)

Regards, Rene

That's no excuse :-)

Anyway, with help, you now have "that SMTP thing", so all is
(presumably) good.



Yep The SMTP thing is no longer a problem, The creeping old age is
slowing me down some though :-)) Thanks to all who helped me solve this
problem.

Regards, Rene

On 11/1/2012 4:07 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 11/1/2012 5:35 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:41:32 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 11/1/2012 4:15 PM, Nil wrote:
On 01 Nov 2012, "Rene Lamontagne" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

If anyone has A cure for Tbird I may try it again later on But I
also read on WWW that they are no longer developing it so it may
also become a dead-end.

I suspect I'm wasting my time with this, since you already deleted
Thunderbird, but the answer is:

Tools | Account Settings | Outgoing Server (SMTP) | Edit. Set your
server port as required.


Thanks NIL, I still have it installed as I shall definitely use it as my
newsgroup reader from now on.
I missed that SMTP thing about 5 times and I don't know how (old age I
guess turned 78 last April)

Regards, Rene

That's no excuse :-)

Anyway, with help, you now have "that SMTP thing", so all is
(presumably) good.



Yep The SMTP thing is no longer a problem, The creeping old age is
slowing me down some though :-)) Thanks to all who helped me solve this
problem.

Regards, Rene

I'm not far behind you Rene. We all get a little slower.

©¿©¬ wrote:

©¿©¬ wrote:
©¿©¬ wrote:
No, I don't like those coloured bars. I prefer the old-style markers
()

So change all the colors to ... all black'n'white! But of course that
defeats the purpose of the extension. shrug

yourself by downloading it from my 4Shared folder if you like.

http://www.snip

Actually, ignore that and get my more recent update from my Dropbox
folder instead. That way you don't need to sign up for a 4Shared account
to download it, either.

Go here http://dl.dropbox.snip or
here http://db.tt/snip

To download it in .rar format instead, go here
http://dl.dropbox.snip

Why don't you instead tell folks to get it direct from the author? Should
we trust that you are providing the exact same file? The simple posting of
the following link would have sufficed:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/quote-colors/

--
sam

©¿©¬ wrote:

Sam Hill wrote:
©¿©¬ wrote:
©¿©¬ wrote:
©¿©¬ wrote:
No, I don't like those coloured bars. I prefer the old-style markers
()

So change all the colors to ... all black'n'white! But of course that
defeats the purpose of the extension. shrug

It changes the colours AND gives you the option of using the old-style
quote markers (), which I find to be the best use for this add-on.

Yes, I forgot to mention that. Simply UNcheck the option:

[ ] Enable graphical quoting for plain text messages

To download it in .rar format, go here http://dl.dropbox.snip

Why don't you instead tell folks to get it direct from the author?

Because the author hasn't updated it, that's why, so I updated it
myself.

So rather than post links to a modified file (which some may not trust)
why didn't you just explain how to change the .xpi file for the newer
versions?

snip

--
sam

©¿©¬ wrote:

Sam Hill wrote:
So rather than post links to a modified file (which some may not trust)
why didn't you just explain how to change the .xpi file for the newer
versions?

Because it's a bit long-winded, but here goes.

Thanks.

1) Use Winrar to extract the quote_colors-0.3-tb+sm.xpi file to a new,
empty folder.

...or any zip product, as the .xpi file is simply a zip file, just like if
it had an extension ".zip"

I also seem to remember that newish versions of Fx and Tb don't even
bother to reference that maxVersion parameter any more, so this altering
the .xpi isn't necessary any longer. I'm sure I read that somewhere.

--
sam

"Sam Hill" wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.

No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
and bottom-posting. Unreadable!

It is a terrible application.


I use Windows Live Mail 2009, build14.0.8089, which can still be downloaded
from various websites if you Google for it. It was the last "straight" Microsoft
email/newsgroups application (i.e. without all the distracting colors) and with
the ability to have multiple NG accounts and quote with carets just like with
Outlook Express. If you just start typing at the default cursor position when
Replying, you will top-post, but you can bottom-post by simply repositioning
the cursor to the bottom of the page. It involves almost no learning curve
when transitioning from Outlook Express, and I'm happy with it.

*TimDaniels*

"Timothy Daniels" wrote in message ...
"Sam Hill" wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.

No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
and bottom-posting. Unreadable!

It is a terrible application.


I use Windows Live Mail 2009, build14.0.8089, which can still be downloaded
from various websites if you Google for it. It was the last "straight" Microsoft
email/newsgroups application (i.e. without all the distracting colors) and with
the ability to have multiple NG accounts and quote with carets just like with
Outlook Express. If you just start typing at the default cursor position when
Replying, you will top-post, but you can bottom-post by simply repositioning
the cursor to the bottom of the page. It involves almost no learning curve
when transitioning from Outlook Express, and I'm happy with it.

*TimDaniels*

You can set it to bottom-post.
Tools Options Advanced Reply on the bottom of a Message.

"Dave-UK" pointed out:
"Timothy Daniels" wrote:
"Sam Hill" denigrated WLM:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I have run out of patience with it and deleted it and reinstalled
Windows Live Mail which works like a charm.

No, it does not. It does not have *a clue* on how to do quoting in
messages. Look at your own reply to your OP to see what I mean. Imagine
trying to follow a thread with several people using WLM and a mix of top-
and bottom-posting. Unreadable!

It is a terrible application.


I use Windows Live Mail 2009, build14.0.8089, which can still be downloaded
from various websites if you Google for it. It was the last "straight" Microsoft
email/newsgroups application (i.e. without all the distracting colors) and with
the ability to have multiple NG accounts and quote with carets just like with
Outlook Express. If you just start typing at the default cursor position when
Replying, you will top-post, but you can bottom-post by simply repositioning
the cursor to the bottom of the page. It involves almost no learning curve
when transitioning from Outlook Express, and I'm happy with it.

*TimDaniels*

You can set it to bottom-post.
Tools Options Advanced Reply on the bottom of a Message.


How right you are! Thanks.

*TimDaniels*