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Windows 8 uptake: More like Vista than Windows 7
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Windows 8 uptake: More like Vista than Windows 7
On 12/1/2012 11:01 AM, Alias wrote:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...than_Windows_7 No offense to anyone but at least Vista worked!.. a resource hog that required lots of horsepower but at least it worked on computers built more than 2yrs ago. Go figure that Vista worked on my wife's touchsmart iq804 but not win 8. It is frickin ridiculous that some manufacturers will not update computers older to run win 8. although I think win 8 is a fisher price toy operating system and will definitely not put it on a system that requires any work to be performed with it. My system will stay win7 until something better comes along or start looking at other products. |
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Windows 8 uptake: More like Vista than Windows 7
On 12/1/2012 8:43 PM, Drew wrote:
On 12/1/2012 11:01 AM, Alias wrote: http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...than_Windows_7 No offense to anyone but at least Vista worked!.. a resource hog that required lots of horsepower but at least it worked on computers built more than 2yrs ago. Go figure that Vista worked on my wife's touchsmart iq804 but not win 8. It is frickin ridiculous that some manufacturers will not update computers older to run win 8. although I think win 8 is a fisher price toy operating system and will definitely not put it on a system that requires any work to be performed with it. My system will stay win7 until something better comes along or start looking at other products. Check out http://www.netrunner-os.com/ -- Alias |
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Windows 8 uptake: More like Vista than Windows 7
Alias wrote:
On 12/1/2012 8:43 PM, Drew wrote: On 12/1/2012 11:01 AM, Alias wrote: http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...uptake_More_li ke_Vista_than_Windows_7 No offense to anyone but at least Vista worked!.. a resource hog that required lots of horsepower but at least it worked on computers built more than 2yrs ago. Go figure that Vista worked on my wife's touchsmart iq804 but not win 8. It is frickin ridiculous that some manufacturers will not update computers older to run win 8. although I think win 8 is a fisher price toy operating system and will definitely not put it on a system that requires any work to be performed with it. My system will stay win7 until something better comes along or start looking at other products. Check out http://www.netrunner-os.com/ Please. Keep your distro adverts in the Linux groups. (Personally, I avoid the Ubuntu family, and prefer Slackware. If I wanted a ..deb-based system, I'd just go with Debian.) -- - Are there any broken bones? - No. - Dead bodies? - Noooo? - Illegal drug smuggling? - No! |
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Windows 8 uptake: More like Vista than Windows 7
On 12/1/2012 11:57 AM, Alias wrote:
On 12/1/2012 8:43 PM, Drew wrote: On 12/1/2012 11:01 AM, Alias wrote: http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...than_Windows_7 No offense to anyone but at least Vista worked!.. a resource hog that required lots of horsepower but at least it worked on computers built more than 2yrs ago. Go figure that Vista worked on my wife's touchsmart iq804 but not win 8. It is frickin ridiculous that some manufacturers will not update computers older to run win 8. although I think win 8 is a fisher price toy operating system and will definitely not put it on a system that requires any work to be performed with it. My system will stay win7 until something better comes along or start looking at other products. Check out http://www.netrunner-os.com/ Since this machine is a custom home built box that is a few yrs old and will still smoke most newer machines I will stick with Windows 7 for quite some time yet. For all we know somebody by then will have something to compete with Microsoft. Doubtful as Microsoft gets too bitchy with competition! |
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Windows 8 uptake: More like Vista than Windows 7
On 12/1/2012 4:32 PM, Drew wrote:
On 12/1/2012 11:57 AM, Alias wrote: On 12/1/2012 8:43 PM, Drew wrote: On 12/1/2012 11:01 AM, Alias wrote: http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...than_Windows_7 No offense to anyone but at least Vista worked!.. a resource hog that required lots of horsepower but at least it worked on computers built more than 2yrs ago. Go figure that Vista worked on my wife's touchsmart iq804 but not win 8. It is frickin ridiculous that some manufacturers will not update computers older to run win 8. although I think win 8 is a fisher price toy operating system and will definitely not put it on a system that requires any work to be performed with it. My system will stay win7 until something better comes along or start looking at other products. Check out http://www.netrunner-os.com/ Since this machine is a custom home built box that is a few yrs old and will still smoke most newer machines I will stick with Windows 7 for quite some time yet. For all we know somebody by then will have something to compete with Microsoft. Doubtful as Microsoft gets too bitchy with competition! First, judging an OPs system right after it comes out is fair, but the original release is often lacking. Win 7 & 8 are sorta birds of the same feather, etc. Add this, add that, tweak a bit here and there, take something out, and you might come close to the win 7 win 8 differences. Win 7 had it's origins in Vista. |
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Windows 8 uptake: More like Vista than Windows 7
On 12/1/2012 9:40 PM, Auric__ put on his net nanny cap wrote:
No offense to anyone but at least Vista worked!.. a resource hog that required lots of horsepower but at least it worked on computers built more than 2yrs ago. Go figure that Vista worked on my wife's touchsmart iq804 but not win 8. It is frickin ridiculous that some manufacturers will not update computers older to run win 8. although I think win 8 is a fisher price toy operating system and will definitely not put it on a system that requires any work to be performed with it. My system will stay win7 until something better comes along or start looking at other products. Check out http://www.netrunner-os.com/ Please. Keep your distro adverts in the Linux groups. I'll post what I want. Don't like it? Kill file me. -- Alias |
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Windows 8 uptake: More like Vista than Windows 7
On 12/1/2012 2:28 PM, charlie wrote:
On 12/1/2012 4:32 PM, Drew wrote: On 12/1/2012 11:57 AM, Alias wrote: On 12/1/2012 8:43 PM, Drew wrote: On 12/1/2012 11:01 AM, Alias wrote: http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...than_Windows_7 No offense to anyone but at least Vista worked!.. a resource hog that required lots of horsepower but at least it worked on computers built more than 2yrs ago. Go figure that Vista worked on my wife's touchsmart iq804 but not win 8. It is frickin ridiculous that some manufacturers will not update computers older to run win 8. although I think win 8 is a fisher price toy operating system and will definitely not put it on a system that requires any work to be performed with it. My system will stay win7 until something better comes along or start looking at other products. Check out http://www.netrunner-os.com/ Since this machine is a custom home built box that is a few yrs old and will still smoke most newer machines I will stick with Windows 7 for quite some time yet. For all we know somebody by then will have something to compete with Microsoft. Doubtful as Microsoft gets too bitchy with competition! First, judging an OPs system right after it comes out is fair, but the original release is often lacking. Win 7 & 8 are sorta birds of the same feather, etc. Add this, add that, tweak a bit here and there, take something out, and you might come close to the win 7 win 8 differences. Win 7 had it's origins in Vista. Since I ran both Vista business and now win 7 pro I agree there are similarities and both small and vast differences. One thing I am finding about Windows8 is that it does not like to run on a lot of machines that are more than a couple of years old. Vista would run and quite well. I know as I did it. My original opinion stands as I believe Microsoft is heading in the wrong direction but since I am just the buying public my opinion does not count. Microsoft has never listened to what the buying public wants only what they want to sell you.I think Win 8 is another Millenium or Vista and if windows blue is any indication of what is coming then I think Pc sales will drop even more. |
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Windows 8 uptake: More like Vista than Windows 7
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Drew typed: Since I ran both Vista business and now win 7 pro I agree there are similarities and both small and vast differences. One thing I am finding about Windows8 is that it does not like to run on a lot of machines that are more than a couple of years old. Vista would run and quite well. I know as I did it. My original opinion stands as I believe Microsoft is heading in the wrong direction but since I am just the buying public my opinion does not count. Microsoft has never listened to what the buying public wants only what they want to sell you.I think Win 8 is another Millenium or Vista and if windows blue is any indication of what is coming then I think Pc sales will drop even more. Odd! I am running Windows 8 on a Gateway M465 manufactured back in 2006. And it runs just fine. Neither Windows 7 or Windows 8 needed any special drivers for my either of my eight M465 machines. Just take the Windows install disc and it has everything. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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Windows 8 uptake: More like Vista than Windows 7
Alias wrote:
On 12/1/2012 9:40 PM, Auric__ put on his net nanny cap wrote: Anyone who knows me would find that line hilarious. Check out http://www.netrunner-os.com/ Please. Keep your distro adverts in the Linux groups. I'll post what I want. Don't like it? Kill file me. I don't need to, to ignore people. (Not that I do very often, but still.) -- Loud shouts are often the easiest to ignore. |
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Windows 8 uptake: More like Vista than Windows 7
On 12/1/2012 9:08 PM, Drew wrote:
On 12/1/2012 2:28 PM, charlie wrote: On 12/1/2012 4:32 PM, Drew wrote: On 12/1/2012 11:57 AM, Alias wrote: On 12/1/2012 8:43 PM, Drew wrote: On 12/1/2012 11:01 AM, Alias wrote: http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...than_Windows_7 No offense to anyone but at least Vista worked!.. a resource hog that required lots of horsepower but at least it worked on computers built more than 2yrs ago. Go figure that Vista worked on my wife's touchsmart iq804 but not win 8. It is frickin ridiculous that some manufacturers will not update computers older to run win 8. although I think win 8 is a fisher price toy operating system and will definitely not put it on a system that requires any work to be performed with it. My system will stay win7 until something better comes along or start looking at other products. Check out http://www.netrunner-os.com/ Since this machine is a custom home built box that is a few yrs old and will still smoke most newer machines I will stick with Windows 7 for quite some time yet. For all we know somebody by then will have something to compete with Microsoft. Doubtful as Microsoft gets too bitchy with competition! First, judging an OPs system right after it comes out is fair, but the original release is often lacking. Win 7 & 8 are sorta birds of the same feather, etc. Add this, add that, tweak a bit here and there, take something out, and you might come close to the win 7 win 8 differences. Win 7 had it's origins in Vista. Since I ran both Vista business and now win 7 pro I agree there are similarities and both small and vast differences. One thing I am finding about Windows8 is that it does not like to run on a lot of machines that are more than a couple of years old. Vista would run and quite well. I know as I did it. My original opinion stands as I believe Microsoft is heading in the wrong direction but since I am just the buying public my opinion does not count. Microsoft has never listened to what the buying public wants only what they want to sell you.I think Win 8 is another Millenium or Vista and if windows blue is any indication of what is coming then I think Pc sales will drop even more. Win 95 was the release I didn't particularly like. It had problems with timing and interrupt response. It seemed like the delay before an interrupt was serviced doubled from the previous version. About then, I also remember something about modem command responses not being parsed correctly. The microsoft supplied software would "hickup", then fall through. It was OK for "normal" data usage, and didn't always work properly with fax & voice modems. Having basically stopped using modems, I have no idea if the problems were ever really solved. Some still existed with the beta XP versions. (About the time I quit worrying about such things!) Win ME actually wasn't that bad after all the patches and SPs. I always thought it amusing that about the time the last Win release was pretty well straightened out, MS releases a new version, and the cycle starts all over. |
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Windows 8 uptake: More like Vista than Windows 7
BillW50 wrote:
In , Drew typed: Since I ran both Vista business and now win 7 pro I agree there are similarities and both small and vast differences. One thing I am finding about Windows8 is that it does not like to run on a lot of machines that are more than a couple of years old. Vista would run and quite well. I know as I did it. My original opinion stands as I believe Microsoft is heading in the wrong direction but since I am just the buying public my opinion does not count. Microsoft has never listened to what the buying public wants only what they want to sell you.I think Win 8 is another Millenium or Vista and if windows blue is any indication of what is coming then I think Pc sales will drop even more. Odd! I am running Windows 8 on a Gateway M465 manufactured back in 2006. And it runs just fine. Neither Windows 7 or Windows 8 needed any special drivers for my either of my eight M465 machines. Just take the Windows install disc and it has everything. I have only two machines here capable of running Windows 8, and on one there is no video driver. And there never will be a video driver, since Nvidia announced there won't be. In response, Windows 8 uses a fallback driver. It runs the screen at 1024x768 or so, fixed. Too bad the LCD is 1440x900 and the results look terrible. Other potential candidate machines, are ruled out by the NX/XD requirement. Windows 8 started out with such promise, because it had a relatively small memory footprint. I reported some time ago, being able to run the Developer Preview, in a VM with something like 128MB allocated. (Practically speaking, it needs a little more than that, but that's not important now.) As a result of that, it could have run on my first PC. But the NX/XD requirement, kinda chops a major chunk of the market away. The graphics are simple-minded enough, that they could have been emulated with a little effort (allowing crappy video cards to work with the new OS). It would allow more of the market to buy copies of Windows 8 and experiment with it. For those segments of the market, where they'd only try Windows 8, if they picked up an OS box at Best Buy, complete with DVD installer disc. It's like there was just complete ignorance about hardware, like the developers had a field day. Maybe that touch screen article, where it said "developers might feel constrained by less than 5 finger touch", is indicative of how "developers" felt about other aspects of the computers. It's good to have a potential market, dismissed out of hand like that. Good... business... sense... Maybe the idea is, it's an all-out bet about mobile. Desktops are obsolete, and "we'll bet the farm on mobile". In one sense that's true. I can understand that sentiment from the likes of Ballmer. But most reasonable people (people trying to grow or maintain a business), also weigh heavily the possibility of making more money with zero effort. And that's why some of the decisions just don't make a lot of sense. Two releases of preview, were free of any NX/XD absolute requirement. Up it pops in the last release. Sometimes, when a product seems to lack focus, you conclude there were "too many fingers in the pie". And a lot of the decisions were just arbitrary "shoot from the hip" decisions. I used to work for people who did that, shoot from the hip, but, they were remarkably good shots. What sucks, is when you have management that shoot from the hip, and aim for the toes. Paul |
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Windows 8 uptake: More like Vista than Windows 7
On 12/1/2012 9:13 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In , Drew typed: Since I ran both Vista business and now win 7 pro I agree there are similarities and both small and vast differences. One thing I am finding about Windows8 is that it does not like to run on a lot of machines that are more than a couple of years old. Vista would run and quite well. I know as I did it. My original opinion stands as I believe Microsoft is heading in the wrong direction but since I am just the buying public my opinion does not count. Microsoft has never listened to what the buying public wants only what they want to sell you.I think Win 8 is another Millenium or Vista and if windows blue is any indication of what is coming then I think Pc sales will drop even more. Odd! I am running Windows 8 on a Gateway M465 manufactured back in 2006. And it runs just fine. Neither Windows 7 or Windows 8 needed any special drivers for my either of my eight M465 machines. Just take the Windows install disc and it has everything. "Custom built" machines can be quite troublesome, in that the exact hardware configuration may exist only on that particular system. (I've built them now and then since the 386 days!) Lessons learned Don't try for all the latest and greatest with price no object. A level or so down from that usually works out better in the long run. Choose components with an eye to commonality. I.E. Just because you can get off brand modems, sound cards, motherboards, etc. for cheap doesn't mean that they will be supportable. Don't buy limited production high or low end components, unless there is a real need. They usually have more problems than you'd like, and limited production usually means a rapid decline in OEM support. |
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Windows 8 uptake: More like Vista than Windows 7
"charlie" wrote:
I always thought it amusing that about the time the last Win release was pretty well straightened out, MS releases a new version, and the cycle starts all over. Microsoft certainly seems to follow that pattern, but in fairness to Redmond it's hardly the first company to use that idea. 'Way back in the mainframe days the user community expected that behavior from vendors. In the early 1960s Jackson W. Granholm published a series of humorous articles in _Datamation_, collectively known as "The Kludge Kapers" (or occasionally "The Kludge Papers"). In the article titled "The Master Plan for Kludge Software" you can find these items: TENET 3. "Distribute new versions of each system as soon as the previous one is showing signs of being checked-out." This guarantees job security for a very large segment of the programmer community known as "System Programmers." TENET 4. "Whenever a new system is proposed or implemented, refuse to continue maintenance on some other (any other) existing system." How far can you make a rubber band stretch? We've already provided for keeping our programmers busy! http://www.landsnail.com/thedatadoma...per-papers.pdf At some point in the early 1970s - when I was the chief system programmer for my POE - I quoted a couple of the Kludge items to the IBM salesdroid responsible for my (large) account - and he got up and walked out of the room. (All in fun; he had a good sense of humor.) Joe |
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Windows 8 uptake: More like Vista than Windows 7
On 12/2/2012 5:12 PM, chrisv wrote:
Alias wrote: On 12/1/2012 9:40 PM, Auric__ put on his net nanny cap wrote: No offense to anyone but at least Vista worked!.. a resource hog that required lots of horsepower but at least it worked on computers built more than 2yrs ago. Go figure that Vista worked on my wife's touchsmart iq804 but not win 8. It is frickin ridiculous that some manufacturers will not update computers older to run win 8. although I think win 8 is a fisher price toy operating system and will definitely not put it on a system that requires any work to be performed with it. My system will stay win7 until something better comes along or start looking at other products. Check out http://www.netrunner-os.com/ Please. Keep your distro adverts in the Linux groups. I'll post what I want. Don't like it? Kill file me. Consider it done! *PLONK* You don't have to be a drama queen about it. Or do you? -- Alias |
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