Windows 8 uptake: More like Vista than Windows 7

On 12/1/2012 9:05 PM, Paul wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Drew typed:
Since I ran both Vista business and now win 7 pro I agree there are
similarities and both small and vast differences. One thing I am
finding about Windows8 is that it does not like to run on a lot of
machines that are more than a couple of years old. Vista would run
and quite well. I know as I did it. My original opinion stands as I
believe Microsoft is heading in the wrong direction but since I am
just the buying public my opinion does not count. Microsoft has
never listened to what the buying public wants only what they want to
sell you.I think Win 8 is another Millenium or Vista and if windows
blue is any indication of what is coming then I think Pc sales will
drop even more.

Odd! I am running Windows 8 on a Gateway M465 manufactured back in
2006. And it runs just fine. Neither Windows 7 or Windows 8 needed any
special drivers for my either of my eight M465 machines. Just take the
Windows install disc and it has everything.


I have only two machines here capable of running Windows 8,
and on one there is no video driver. And there never will be
a video driver, since Nvidia announced there won't be. In
response, Windows 8 uses a fallback driver. It runs the
screen at 1024x768 or so, fixed. Too bad the LCD is 1440x900 and
the results look terrible.

Other potential candidate machines, are ruled out by the
NX/XD requirement.

Windows 8 started out with such promise, because it had
a relatively small memory footprint. I reported some
time ago, being able to run the Developer Preview, in
a VM with something like 128MB allocated. (Practically
speaking, it needs a little more than that, but that's
not important now.) As a result of that, it could have
run on my first PC. But the NX/XD requirement, kinda chops
a major chunk of the market away.

The graphics are simple-minded enough, that they could
have been emulated with a little effort (allowing crappy
video cards to work with the new OS). It would allow
more of the market to buy copies of Windows 8 and
experiment with it. For those segments of the market,
where they'd only try Windows 8, if they picked up
an OS box at Best Buy, complete with DVD installer disc.

It's like there was just complete ignorance about
hardware, like the developers had a field day. Maybe
that touch screen article, where it said "developers
might feel constrained by less than 5 finger touch",
is indicative of how "developers" felt about other
aspects of the computers. It's good to have
a potential market, dismissed out of hand like
that. Good... business... sense...

Maybe the idea is, it's an all-out bet about
mobile. Desktops are obsolete, and "we'll bet the
farm on mobile". In one sense that's true. I can
understand that sentiment from the likes of Ballmer.
But most reasonable people (people trying to grow
or maintain a business), also weigh heavily the possibility
of making more money with zero effort. And that's why
some of the decisions just don't make a lot of sense.
Two releases of preview, were free of any NX/XD absolute
requirement. Up it pops in the last release.

Sometimes, when a product seems to lack focus,
you conclude there were "too many fingers in the pie".
And a lot of the decisions were just arbitrary
"shoot from the hip" decisions. I used to work
for people who did that, shoot from the hip, but,
they were remarkably good shots. What sucks, is
when you have management that shoot from the hip,
and aim for the toes.

Paul

All very interesting and usually true, Paul. But what is the big deal
about the NX/XD requirement? I looked up my 20 some computers here and
they all are NX/XD capable. They compose of Celerons, Core Duo, Core2
Duo, Atom, and AMD Turion 64 Mobile. The only exception was my three
netbooks running Celeron 900MHz. They have no NX/XD support. But they
also would be very unsatisfactory for running 7/8 anyway. I did have 7
installed on one of them and it was constantly click and wait and
wait... click and wait and wait... it was so sad. Those same netbooks
run 2000/XP very satisfactory.

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Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12.0.1
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

On 12/2/2012 7:20 PM, chrisv wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 12/2/2012 5:12 PM, chrisv wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 12/1/2012 9:40 PM, Auric__ put on his net nanny cap wrote:


No offense to anyone but at least Vista worked!.. a resource hog
that required lots of horsepower but at least it worked on
computers built more than 2yrs ago. Go figure that Vista worked
on my wife's touchsmart iq804 but not win 8. It is frickin
ridiculous that some manufacturers will not update computers
older to run win 8. although I think win 8 is a fisher price toy
operating system
and will definitely not put it on a system that requires any work
to be performed with it. My system will stay win7 until something
better comes along or start looking at other products.

Check out http://www.netrunner-os.com/

Please. Keep your distro adverts in the Linux groups.

I'll post what I want. Don't like it? Kill file me.

Consider it done!
*PLONK*

You don't have to be a drama queen about it. Or do you?

I'll *PLONK* what I want. Don't like it? Kill file me. ;-)


I don't kill file anyone. Never have. I use a little thing called self
control and ignore those posts I'm not interested in. I can see you've
had a change of heart and don't want to miss out on the fun :-)


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On 12/2/2012 6:12 PM, Alias wrote:
I don't kill file anyone. Never have. I use a little thing called self
control and ignore those posts I'm not interested in. I can see you've
had a change of heart and don't want to miss out on the fun :-)

You use self control? That is a good one! You fly off of the handle
every chance you get. I actually picture you beating your fists on the
keyboard and shouting at the monitor most of the time. ;-)

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12.0.1
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 11:31:38 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

I looked up my 20 some computers here...

Good grief! Get a life!

On 12/3/2012 1:23 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/2/2012 6:12 PM, Alias wrote:
I don't kill file anyone. Never have. I use a little thing called self
control and ignore those posts I'm not interested in. I can see you've
had a change of heart and don't want to miss out on the fun :-)

You use self control? That is a good one! You fly off of the handle
every chance you get. I actually picture you beating your fists on the
keyboard and shouting at the monitor most of the time. ;-)


Got any other lying fantasies about me that you would like to share, sport?

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Alias

On 12/3/2012 11:12 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 11:31:38 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

I looked up my 20 some computers here...

Good grief! Get a life!


Really!

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Alias

In ,
Alias typed:
On 12/3/2012 1:23 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/2/2012 6:12 PM, Alias wrote:
I don't kill file anyone. Never have. I use a little thing called
self control and ignore those posts I'm not interested in. I can
see you've had a change of heart and don't want to miss out on the
fun :-)

You use self control? That is a good one! You fly off of the handle
every chance you get. I actually picture you beating your fists on
the keyboard and shouting at the monitor most of the time. ;-)


Got any other lying fantasies about me that you would like to share,
sport?

Hardly... you would never find a judge and a jury to agree with you
there. ;-)

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Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2

On 12/3/2012 1:22 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alias typed:
On 12/3/2012 1:23 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/2/2012 6:12 PM, Alias wrote:
I don't kill file anyone. Never have. I use a little thing called
self control and ignore those posts I'm not interested in. I can
see you've had a change of heart and don't want to miss out on the
fun :-)

You use self control? That is a good one! You fly off of the handle
every chance you get. I actually picture you beating your fists on
the keyboard and shouting at the monitor most of the time. ;-)


Got any other lying fantasies about me that you would like to share,
sport?

Hardly...

Only one, then?

you would never find a judge and a jury to agree with you
there. ;-)


You're a braggart, give bad advice and should be tending to your dozens
of computers rather than posting here. Anyone who follows your advice is
a FOOL.

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Alias

Alias wrote:

some idiot forging chrisv wrote:
Alias wrote:
some idiot forging chrisv wrote:

Consider it done!
*PLONK*

You don't have to be a drama queen about it. Or do you?

I'll *PLONK* what I want. Don't like it? Kill file me. ;-)

I don't kill file anyone. Never have.

Apparently you don't check headers when someone is being a twit,
either. If you had, you'd see a dizum.com header, a clear indicator
of an anonymous coward and, in this case, forger.

On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 10:12:44 +0000, "mechanic"
wrote in article ...

On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 11:31:38 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

I looked up my 20 some computers here...

Good grief! Get a life!

+1

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Adventurer, ex-hippie, good-timer (crook? quite possibly),
manic self-publicist, terrible bad at personal relationships,
often thought to be completely out to lunch.

On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 14:02:42 +0100, "Alias"
wrote in article k9i7tk$8nn$1@dont-
email.me...

On 12/3/2012 1:22 PM, BillW50 wrote:

you would never find a judge and a jury to agree with you
there. ;-)


You're a braggart, give bad advice and should be tending to your dozens
of computers rather than posting here. Anyone who follows your advice is
a FOOL.

+1

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Voted "Worst Dressed Sentient Being in the Known Universe" for seven
years in a row.

On 12/3/2012 2:03 PM, chrisv wrote:
Alias wrote:

some idiot forging chrisv wrote:
Alias wrote:
some idiot forging chrisv wrote:

Consider it done!
*PLONK*

You don't have to be a drama queen about it. Or do you?

I'll *PLONK* what I want. Don't like it? Kill file me. ;-)

I don't kill file anyone. Never have.

Apparently you don't check headers when someone is being a twit,
either. If you had, you'd see a dizum.com header, a clear indicator
of an anonymous coward and, in this case, forger.


No, I don't regularly check headers.

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Alias

Alias wrote:
On 12/3/2012 2:03 PM, chrisv wrote:
Alias wrote:

some idiot forging chrisv wrote:
Alias wrote:
some idiot forging chrisv wrote:

Consider it done!
*PLONK*

You don't have to be a drama queen about it. Or do you?

I'll *PLONK* what I want. Don't like it? Kill file me. ;-)

I don't kill file anyone. Never have.

Apparently you don't check headers when someone is being a twit,
either. If you had, you'd see a dizum.com header, a clear indicator
of an anonymous coward and, in this case, forger.


No, I don't regularly check headers.

The problem is that the name "chrisv" is spoofed so often, it is not
possible to tell if claimant A, claimant B, or claimants C, D, E, F, G, H,
I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y or Z are telling the
truth. Of course, unless one trademarks (®) their name, it is a little
difficult to prove "ownership" of a name, especially on Usenet where anyone
can call themselves anything they like, any day of the week.
Given the serious doubts over actual "ownership" of the name "chrisv", you
might consider abusing it yourself (a supposition, not an inducement.) If
splattering about in someone else's dirty bath-water is not your "thing",
you might like to abuse it in other ways (a supposition, not an inducement.)
For example, as a symbolic gesture, you might like to print the name
"chrisv" out in large letters and urinate or/and **** on it, wrap it up and
flush it into the sewer where he belongs.
HTH & GFIA

On 12/3/2012 5:40 PM, Clogwog wrote:

HTH & GFIA

GFIA?

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Alias

chrisv writes:

Alias wrote:

some idiot forging chrisv wrote:
Alias wrote:
some idiot forging chrisv wrote:

Consider it done!
*PLONK*

You don't have to be a drama queen about it. Or do you?

I'll *PLONK* what I want. Don't like it? Kill file me. ;-)

I don't kill file anyone. Never have.

Apparently you don't check headers when someone is being a twit,
either. If you had, you'd see a dizum.com header, a clear indicator
of an anonymous coward and, in this case, forger.


Says "intelligent and insightful" turd aka "chrisv".

You tell 'em turd!


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