just tryed win8 at computer store

Ed Cryer wrote:

XS11E wrote:
My Win7 and Win8 installs have been co-existing for weeks now
with no problems of any kind.

You say they're on separate partitions. Are they on separate
drives as well?

No, separate partitions on the same drive.



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Ed Cryer wrote:

It all happened earlier this year when I was testing Win8. That
was a pre-release version. I installed in on a separate partition
of my HD, and it gobbled up the Win7 very quickly.

I also installed the pre-release version, again, no problems. I
deleted it and formatted the partition before installing the release
version of Win8 on that partition and still no problems of any kind.


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BillW50 wrote:

I've used dualboots off and on for about 15 years. And I
won't do it anymore. So many disadvantages to dualboot setups.

And they are?

Having one OS per machine is so much better.

Why would you think that?




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On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 09:02:25 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 14:35:50 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

Ed Cryer wrote:

XS11E wrote:
Why not install the upgrade on a separate partition (as I did)
and dual boot until such time as you decide which you prefer?

One very good reason. Win8 will fight with Win7 and (in my
experience) win unless you are extremely sharp and on the ball.
At the worst it will remove Win7; at the very least it will do all
it can to make life difficult with techniques such as having a
disk scan every time it boots.

I don't know what to say, everything you say is completely, totally,
incorrect in my experience.

Right! Saying that having two operating systems dual-booting will
cause one to fight with the other is like saying that if your
television set can get two or more channels they will fight with each
other.

That can happen. Or more precisely, the two viewers in the house can
fight with each other over what to watch right now.

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 10:55:05 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 09:02:25 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 14:35:50 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

Ed Cryer wrote:

XS11E wrote:
Why not install the upgrade on a separate partition (as I did)
and dual boot until such time as you decide which you prefer?

One very good reason. Win8 will fight with Win7 and (in my
experience) win unless you are extremely sharp and on the ball.
At the worst it will remove Win7; at the very least it will do all
it can to make life difficult with techniques such as having a
disk scan every time it boots.

I don't know what to say, everything you say is completely, totally,
incorrect in my experience.

Right! Saying that having two operating systems dual-booting will
cause one to fight with the other is like saying that if your
television set can get two or more channels they will fight with each
other.

That can happen. Or more precisely, the two viewers in the house can
fight with each other over what to watch right now.


Not in *this* house. I watch no television, and my wife watches almost
none. Almost the only thing we use the TV set for is watching Netflix
DVDs.


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"Ed Cryer" wrote in message ...


It all happened earlier this year when I was testing Win8. That was a
pre-release version. I installed in on a separate partition of my HD,
and it gobbled up the Win7 very quickly. I sorted that out with
excellent help in the Win7 NG (all fully documented in the archives, if
anyone is interested), but then Win8 started setting the Win7 dirty bit.
It ended up as a real battle, so I installed it under a virtual machine
instead; that worked fine.
Maybe the problem was local to pre-release versions. I bought a copy of
Win8 a few weeks ago, but I've got no use for it just yet. I enjoyed all
the testing but am fully satisfied with Win7 for now.


I do agree that others have encountered problems with multiple o/s installations on the same unit especially due to the confusion
surrounding Win8's design intent to load Windows 8 prior in order to provide Win8's dual boot GIU option; lack of understanding of
the system/boot volumes, etc..

Afaics....all the Win8 comments (yours) are based on a no-longer used beta/pre-release version of Windows 8 and may not be
indicative of others successful experiences dual/triple booting including o/s on the same partition or other drives and possibly
entirely different hardware.

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On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:15:50 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 10:55:05 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 09:02:25 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 14:35:50 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

Ed Cryer wrote:

XS11E wrote:
Why not install the upgrade on a separate partition (as I did)
and dual boot until such time as you decide which you prefer?

One very good reason. Win8 will fight with Win7 and (in my
experience) win unless you are extremely sharp and on the ball.
At the worst it will remove Win7; at the very least it will do all
it can to make life difficult with techniques such as having a
disk scan every time it boots.

I don't know what to say, everything you say is completely, totally,
incorrect in my experience.

Right! Saying that having two operating systems dual-booting will
cause one to fight with the other is like saying that if your
television set can get two or more channels they will fight with each
other.

That can happen. Or more precisely, the two viewers in the house can
fight with each other over what to watch right now.

Not in *this* house. I watch no television, and my wife watches almost
none. Almost the only thing we use the TV set for is watching Netflix
DVDs.

I wasn't accusing you, or even myself :-)

Just expressing my general cynical view is all.

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On 12/2/2012 11:18 AM, Stefan Patric wrote:

Why do you need to upgrade? W7 isn't all that old like XP. Is there
something that Windows 8 does (or does better) that Windows 7 doesn't?
Or is it that Windows 8 is the new toy that you have to have?


Stef


The clunky Metro (or whatever the hell it is called now) interface and
no major improvements from Windows 7... see no reason to get Windows 8.
Heck, I'd probably still be running Vista had I not got a good deal on a
copy of 7! I had no problems with Vista... however, I can't see any good
reason to still run XP.. unless you have a REALLY old machine, like an
old desktop I have that I use as a "jukebox" hooked to my stereo. It
only has 1 purpose, and the machine is terrible, so using an out-dated
OS is no biggie.

milt wrote:

The clunky Metro (or whatever the hell it is called now) interface
and no major improvements from Windows 7... see no reason to get
Windows 8. Heck, I'd probably still be running Vista had I not got
a good deal on a copy of 7!

Personally, I'd be running NT 4.0 if it handled USB and if there was a
64 bit version.....

I still prefer Windows 2000 and my XP, Vista, Win7 and Win8
installations were/are all modified to look like Windows 2000 and I've
used the same windows 2k wallpaper on my desktop ever since my first
Win2k install. I much appreciate more horsepower, PS, PB, PW and air
conditioning but do NOT MOVE MY STEERING WHEEL, DAMMIT!

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:42:50 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:15:50 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 10:55:05 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 09:02:25 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 14:35:50 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

Ed Cryer wrote:

XS11E wrote:
Why not install the upgrade on a separate partition (as I did)
and dual boot until such time as you decide which you prefer?

One very good reason. Win8 will fight with Win7 and (in my
experience) win unless you are extremely sharp and on the ball.
At the worst it will remove Win7; at the very least it will do all
it can to make life difficult with techniques such as having a
disk scan every time it boots.

I don't know what to say, everything you say is completely, totally,
incorrect in my experience.

Right! Saying that having two operating systems dual-booting will
cause one to fight with the other is like saying that if your
television set can get two or more channels they will fight with each
other.

That can happen. Or more precisely, the two viewers in the house can
fight with each other over what to watch right now.

Not in *this* house. I watch no television, and my wife watches almost
none. Almost the only thing we use the TV set for is watching Netflix
DVDs.

I wasn't accusing you, or even myself :-)

Just expressing my general cynical view is all.


I know. I didn't mean to defend myself against any sort of accusation.
I was just explaining my situation here.

Ken

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On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:23:25 -0600, milt wrote:

On 12/2/2012 11:18 AM, Stefan Patric wrote:

Why do you need to upgrade? W7 isn't all that old like XP. Is there
something that Windows 8 does (or does better) that Windows 7 doesn't?
Or is it that Windows 8 is the new toy that you have to have?


Stef


The clunky Metro (or whatever the hell it is called now) interface and
no major improvements from Windows 7... see no reason to get Windows 8.
Heck, I'd probably still be running Vista had I not got a good deal on a
copy of 7! I had no problems with Vista... however, I can't see any good
reason to still run XP.. unless you have a REALLY old machine, like an
old desktop I have that I use as a "jukebox" hooked to my stereo. It
only has 1 purpose, and the machine is terrible, so using an out-dated
OS is no biggie.

You and I are exceptions to the overly impressionable mass marketed
masses out the we buy things that we need not MUST HAVE!; and use them
until they are no longer usable. To replace something that is still
useful simply because it's not the newest model doesn't make sense to
us. Those flashy commercials with beautiful, trendy people doing "cool"
things in "cool" places with their "cool" cars, computers, liquor, etc.
don't lure us into buying when what we got works just fine, thank-you-
very-much, but no thanks.

I'm sure the masses out there think us crazy, and make fun of us for our
nonconformist, antisocial ways. I can live with it. ;-)

Stef

On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 18:52:05 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Not in *this* house. I watch no television, and my wife watches almost
none. Almost the only thing we use the TV set for is watching Netflix
DVDs.

I wasn't accusing you, or even myself :-)

Just expressing my general cynical view is all.

I know. I didn't mean to defend myself against any sort of accusation.
I was just explaining my situation here.

OK, I understand - finally :-)

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XS11E wrote:
BillW50 wrote:

I've used dualboots off and on for about 15 years. And I
won't do it anymore. So many disadvantages to dualboot setups.

And they are?

Having one OS per machine is so much better.

Why would you think that?

If you're sitting in just one OS, it means
you aren't doing anything challenging...

For example, I was booted in Windows 7 about
half an hour ago, wanted to create four primary
partitions, disk management wouldn't let me, and
insisted I make three primary partitions and the
next would be extended+logical. To beat some sense
into it, I booted a Linux LiveCD, used the tools
in there, and made the fourth primary I wanted. Went back
to Windows 7, reformatted the four partition (so it would
be stamped with the correct version of NTFS), and...
job done.

Or, I could sit around for half the evening, guessing
whether there was some other "pure" windows recipe.
My choice.

Paul

Paul wrote:

If you're sitting in just one OS, it means
you aren't doing anything challenging...

Or it means that my computer is a tool and if it does what I want/need
it to do, it's doing it's job and there's no profit in doing anything
"challenging".



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...winston wrote:
"Ed Cryer" wrote in message ...


It all happened earlier this year when I was testing Win8. That was a
pre-release version. I installed in on a separate partition of my HD,
and it gobbled up the Win7 very quickly. I sorted that out with
excellent help in the Win7 NG (all fully documented in the archives, if
anyone is interested), but then Win8 started setting the Win7 dirty bit.
It ended up as a real battle, so I installed it under a virtual machine
instead; that worked fine.
Maybe the problem was local to pre-release versions. I bought a copy of
Win8 a few weeks ago, but I've got no use for it just yet. I enjoyed all
the testing but am fully satisfied with Win7 for now.


I do agree that others have encountered problems with multiple o/s
installations on the same unit especially due to the confusion
surrounding Win8's design intent to load Windows 8 prior in order to
provide Win8's dual boot GIU option; lack of understanding of the
system/boot volumes, etc..

Afaics....all the Win8 comments (yours) are based on a no-longer used
beta/pre-release version of Windows 8 and may not be indicative of
others successful experiences dual/triple booting including o/s on the
same partition or other drives and possibly entirely different hardware.


As soon as I shared what had happened to me in the Win7 group someone
jumped right on my neck and pointed out most forcefully that MS were
specifically advising us to use separate drives.
Anyway what I'd done was this.
I reduced the Win7 partition and made a Win8 one, installed the Consumer
Preview and got dual-boot working flawlessly. On about the second time I
was in Win8 it told me that it was repairing system files; which took a
minute or so. But then lo! Win7 had gone.

I got it all back after a long trek through the very innards of Windows
OS (all of which was superb learning territory). And yes, I did have
good backups had I needed them for restore.

A little while later I started getting automatic check-disks scheduled
for each boot into Win7, whereas Win8 was perfect.

Ed