just tryed win8 at computer store

"BillW50" wrote in message
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On 12/6/2012 3:42 PM, ..winston wrote:

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install the
other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it
this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if the
first one is on drive C.

Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently under
each boot.

Gene you are correct.

The drive lettering is dynamic.
The o/s that is loaded from the multi-boot menu in a multi-boot system
will be C:\ the other partitions will be assigned later drive letters.
Nor does it matter if the o/s reside on the same or different drives.

As an example - http://sdrv.ms/TVH8N2
Picture shows a triple boot system (one XP, and two Windows 7 Pro's)
currently booted to one of the Win7 (Drive C. The other o/s are XP
(Drive D: and Win7 Pro4Beta Drive E.

Note the labeling that shows the Disk and Partition (D0, D1 are the
separate disks, P1 and P2 the partition on those disks)
First Disk is D0 and has two operating systems XP on P1 (first
partition), Win7 on P2 (second partition).
Second Disk is D1 and has one operating system Win7 on P1 (first
partition)

Currently (shown in pic) loaded o/s is Win7 on Disk 0 (D0) and Partition
2 (P2) and is drive C: with XP (D0, P1) becoming drive D:, and Win7 (D1,
P1) drive E:

If XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, Win7 on Disk
0 Partition 2 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 would be
drive E:

If Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, XP on Disk
0 Partition 1 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would E:

i.e. drives letters are dynamic, not static.

Only true if you install dualboot with the new Windows from the install
disc. If you install the new Windows from the previous Windows, it does
not.


I understand. But I see no benefit to "install the new Windows from the
previous Windows".

Chris

"BillW50" wrote in message
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On 12/6/2012 3:59 PM, Chris S. wrote:

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
On 12/6/2012 3:42 PM, ..winston wrote:

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install the
other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it
this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if the
first one is on drive C.

Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently
under
each boot.

Gene you are correct.

The drive lettering is dynamic.
The o/s that is loaded from the multi-boot menu in a multi-boot system
will be C:\ the other partitions will be assigned later drive letters.
Nor does it matter if the o/s reside on the same or different drives.

As an example - http://sdrv.ms/TVH8N2
Picture shows a triple boot system (one XP, and two Windows 7 Pro's)
currently booted to one of the Win7 (Drive C. The other o/s are XP
(Drive D: and Win7 Pro4Beta Drive E.

Note the labeling that shows the Disk and Partition (D0, D1 are the
separate disks, P1 and P2 the partition on those disks)
First Disk is D0 and has two operating systems XP on P1 (first
partition), Win7 on P2 (second partition).
Second Disk is D1 and has one operating system Win7 on P1 (first
partition)

Currently (shown in pic) loaded o/s is Win7 on Disk 0 (D0) and
Partition
2 (P2) and is drive C: with XP (D0, P1) becoming drive D:, and Win7
(D1,
P1) drive E:

If XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, Win7 on
Disk
0 Partition 2 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 would be
drive E:

If Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, XP on
Disk
0 Partition 1 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would E:

i.e. drives letters are dynamic, not static.

Only true if you install dualboot with the new Windows from the
install disc. If you install the new Windows from the previous
Windows, it does not.


I can't imagine installing Windows any other way than with a clean
installation
from the booted DVD. Allowing the setup to format the drive as well.

Chris

What can I tell you, that works great of course. But Microsoft tells you
otherwise. They tell you to run setup.exe on the install disc from the
first installed Windows. That too works great if you to upgrade the
previous Windows, but not for dualbooting as the drive letters on the new
Windows won't be drive C.


Hmmm... Never read such a statement from Microsoft. But then I never
"Upgrade" a Windows OS. Always a clean installation.

Chris

On 12/6/2012 3:49 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:32 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:26 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:16 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:11 PM, Chris S. wrote:

"Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message
...
On 12/6/2012 2:23 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:47:05 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" not-
lid wrote in article 1mlf7b0faa4km
...

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install
the
other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you
do it
this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if
the
first one is on drive C.

Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently
under
each boot.

Yup, exactly so. Install XP to Drive 1 Partition 1, leave
Partition 2
empty. XP assigns C: to Partition 1 and D: to Partition 2. Install
Windows 7 to Partition 2, and when you boot into Windows 7,
Partition 2
is C: and Partition 1 is D:. Confused the daylights out of me the
first time it did that until I figured out what happened.



100% correct, drive letters reversed so your boot drive is always C,
Done it many times.

Rene

YES! +1

Chris

Only true if you boot from the Windows install disc. If you do it the
Microsoft way and run setup.exe from the first Windows like Microsoft
says, it does not.


Don't know what your doing wrong but it works fine for me.

Rene

You ran the Windows install disc from boot up, right? You didn't run the
disc from the first Windows, right? Yes, I thought so.

Wrong, and what you "thought" isn't so, and besides I don't give a hoot
what You Thought..

That is ok Rene, as I also know you don't have 30+ years of computer
experience because if you did you would care. ;-)

--
Bill
Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('11 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 7 SP1

On 12/6/2012 4:10 PM, Chris S. wrote:

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
On 12/6/2012 3:59 PM, Chris S. wrote:

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
On 12/6/2012 3:42 PM, ..winston wrote:

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install the
other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it
this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if the
first one is on drive C.

Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently
under
each boot.

Gene you are correct.

The drive lettering is dynamic.
The o/s that is loaded from the multi-boot menu in a multi-boot system
will be C:\ the other partitions will be assigned later drive letters.
Nor does it matter if the o/s reside on the same or different drives.

As an example - http://sdrv.ms/TVH8N2
Picture shows a triple boot system (one XP, and two Windows 7 Pro's)
currently booted to one of the Win7 (Drive C. The other o/s are XP
(Drive D: and Win7 Pro4Beta Drive E.

Note the labeling that shows the Disk and Partition (D0, D1 are the
separate disks, P1 and P2 the partition on those disks)
First Disk is D0 and has two operating systems XP on P1 (first
partition), Win7 on P2 (second partition).
Second Disk is D1 and has one operating system Win7 on P1 (first
partition)

Currently (shown in pic) loaded o/s is Win7 on Disk 0 (D0) and
Partition
2 (P2) and is drive C: with XP (D0, P1) becoming drive D:, and Win7
(D1,
P1) drive E:

If XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, Win7 on
Disk
0 Partition 2 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1
would be
drive E:

If Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, XP on
Disk
0 Partition 1 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2
would E:

i.e. drives letters are dynamic, not static.

Only true if you install dualboot with the new Windows from the
install disc. If you install the new Windows from the previous
Windows, it does not.


I can't imagine installing Windows any other way than with a clean
installation
from the booted DVD. Allowing the setup to format the drive as well.

Chris

What can I tell you, that works great of course. But Microsoft tells
you otherwise. They tell you to run setup.exe on the install disc from
the first installed Windows. That too works great if you to upgrade
the previous Windows, but not for dualbooting as the drive letters on
the new Windows won't be drive C.


Hmmm... Never read such a statement from Microsoft. But then I never
"Upgrade" a Windows OS. Always a clean installation.

Never did, ah? So you reinstall your applications, utilities, and
setting all from scratch? How many hours does that take?

--
Bill
Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('11 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 7 SP1

On 12/6/2012 4:05 PM, Chris S. wrote:

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
On 12/6/2012 3:42 PM, ..winston wrote:

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install the
other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it
this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if the
first one is on drive C.

Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently under
each boot.

Gene you are correct.

The drive lettering is dynamic.
The o/s that is loaded from the multi-boot menu in a multi-boot system
will be C:\ the other partitions will be assigned later drive letters.
Nor does it matter if the o/s reside on the same or different drives.

As an example - http://sdrv.ms/TVH8N2
Picture shows a triple boot system (one XP, and two Windows 7 Pro's)
currently booted to one of the Win7 (Drive C. The other o/s are XP
(Drive D: and Win7 Pro4Beta Drive E.

Note the labeling that shows the Disk and Partition (D0, D1 are the
separate disks, P1 and P2 the partition on those disks)
First Disk is D0 and has two operating systems XP on P1 (first
partition), Win7 on P2 (second partition).
Second Disk is D1 and has one operating system Win7 on P1 (first
partition)

Currently (shown in pic) loaded o/s is Win7 on Disk 0 (D0) and Partition
2 (P2) and is drive C: with XP (D0, P1) becoming drive D:, and Win7 (D1,
P1) drive E:

If XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, Win7 on Disk
0 Partition 2 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 would be
drive E:

If Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, XP on Disk
0 Partition 1 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would E:

i.e. drives letters are dynamic, not static.

Only true if you install dualboot with the new Windows from the
install disc. If you install the new Windows from the previous
Windows, it does not.


I understand. But I see no benefit to "install the new Windows from the
previous Windows".

I think it originally started when you installed Windows from MS-DOS. As
during a Windows install from MS-DOS, you usually only had access of
only 640kb of memory. And DOS had taken part of that, so something like
500kb free. So it would take forever to install. But if you installed
from a previous Windows which could use far more memory, it was tons
faster.

--
Bill
Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('11 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 7 SP1

"BillW50" wrote in message
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On 12/6/2012 4:10 PM, Chris S. wrote:

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
On 12/6/2012 3:59 PM, Chris S. wrote:

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
On 12/6/2012 3:42 PM, ..winston wrote:

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install
the
other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it
this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if
the
first one is on drive C.

Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently
under
each boot.

Gene you are correct.

The drive lettering is dynamic.
The o/s that is loaded from the multi-boot menu in a multi-boot
system
will be C:\ the other partitions will be assigned later drive
letters.
Nor does it matter if the o/s reside on the same or different drives.

As an example - http://sdrv.ms/TVH8N2
Picture shows a triple boot system (one XP, and two Windows 7 Pro's)
currently booted to one of the Win7 (Drive C. The other o/s are XP
(Drive D: and Win7 Pro4Beta Drive E.

Note the labeling that shows the Disk and Partition (D0, D1 are the
separate disks, P1 and P2 the partition on those disks)
First Disk is D0 and has two operating systems XP on P1 (first
partition), Win7 on P2 (second partition).
Second Disk is D1 and has one operating system Win7 on P1 (first
partition)

Currently (shown in pic) loaded o/s is Win7 on Disk 0 (D0) and
Partition
2 (P2) and is drive C: with XP (D0, P1) becoming drive D:, and Win7
(D1,
P1) drive E:

If XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, Win7 on
Disk
0 Partition 2 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1
would be
drive E:

If Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, XP on
Disk
0 Partition 1 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2
would E:

i.e. drives letters are dynamic, not static.

Only true if you install dualboot with the new Windows from the
install disc. If you install the new Windows from the previous
Windows, it does not.


I can't imagine installing Windows any other way than with a clean
installation
from the booted DVD. Allowing the setup to format the drive as well.

Chris

What can I tell you, that works great of course. But Microsoft tells
you otherwise. They tell you to run setup.exe on the install disc from
the first installed Windows. That too works great if you to upgrade
the previous Windows, but not for dualbooting as the drive letters on
the new Windows won't be drive C.


Hmmm... Never read such a statement from Microsoft. But then I never
"Upgrade" a Windows OS. Always a clean installation.

Never did, ah? So you reinstall your applications, utilities, and setting
all from scratch? How many hours does that take?


When I move to a "new" Operating System, yes I do re-install, and
probably update the applications and utilities. "WET" helps significantly.

This doesn't happen often as I don't have two dozen old computers
strewn about. Certainly no more than yearly.

Chris

On 12/6/2012 4:10 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:49 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:32 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:26 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:16 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:11 PM, Chris S. wrote:

"Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message
...
On 12/6/2012 2:23 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:47:05 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" not-
lid wrote in article 1mlf7b0faa4km
...

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install
the
other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you
do it
this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if
the
first one is on drive C.

Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently
under
each boot.

Yup, exactly so. Install XP to Drive 1 Partition 1, leave
Partition 2
empty. XP assigns C: to Partition 1 and D: to Partition 2. Install
Windows 7 to Partition 2, and when you boot into Windows 7,
Partition 2
is C: and Partition 1 is D:. Confused the daylights out of me the
first time it did that until I figured out what happened.



100% correct, drive letters reversed so your boot drive is always C,
Done it many times.

Rene

YES! +1

Chris

Only true if you boot from the Windows install disc. If you do it the
Microsoft way and run setup.exe from the first Windows like Microsoft
says, it does not.


Don't know what your doing wrong but it works fine for me.

Rene

You ran the Windows install disc from boot up, right? You didn't run the
disc from the first Windows, right? Yes, I thought so.

Wrong, and what you "thought" isn't so, and besides I don't give a hoot
what You Thought..

That is ok Rene, as I also know you don't have 30+ years of computer
experience because if you did you would care. ;-)

BillW50 , Try 37 years, Started on a Honeywell Alpha 2000 Programed in
Octal, Teletype RO35 as a Hard monitor.

Rene

On 12/6/2012 4:48 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 12/6/2012 4:10 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:49 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:32 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:26 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:16 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:11 PM, Chris S. wrote:

"Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message
...
On 12/6/2012 2:23 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:47:05 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" not-
lid wrote in article 1mlf7b0faa4km
...

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to
install
the
other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you
do it
this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive
C if
the
first one is on drive C.

Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently
under
each boot.

Yup, exactly so. Install XP to Drive 1 Partition 1, leave
Partition 2
empty. XP assigns C: to Partition 1 and D: to Partition 2. Install
Windows 7 to Partition 2, and when you boot into Windows 7,
Partition 2
is C: and Partition 1 is D:. Confused the daylights out of me the
first time it did that until I figured out what happened.



100% correct, drive letters reversed so your boot drive is
always C,
Done it many times.

Rene

YES! +1

Chris

Only true if you boot from the Windows install disc. If you do it the
Microsoft way and run setup.exe from the first Windows like Microsoft
says, it does not.


Don't know what your doing wrong but it works fine for me.

Rene

You ran the Windows install disc from boot up, right? You didn't run
the
disc from the first Windows, right? Yes, I thought so.

Wrong, and what you "thought" isn't so, and besides I don't give a hoot
what You Thought..

That is ok Rene, as I also know you don't have 30+ years of computer
experience because if you did you would care. ;-)

BillW50 , Try 37 years, Started on a Honeywell Alpha 2000 Programed in
Octal, Teletype RO35 as a Hard monitor.

Then why don't you care?

--
Bill
Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('11 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 7 SP1

On 12/6/2012 4:55 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 4:48 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 12/6/2012 4:10 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:49 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:32 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:26 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:16 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:11 PM, Chris S. wrote:

"Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message
...
On 12/6/2012 2:23 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:47:05 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" not-
lid wrote in article 1mlf7b0faa4km
...

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to
install
the
other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you
do it
this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive
C if
the
first one is on drive C.

Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters
differently
under
each boot.

Yup, exactly so. Install XP to Drive 1 Partition 1, leave
Partition 2
empty. XP assigns C: to Partition 1 and D: to Partition 2.
Install
Windows 7 to Partition 2, and when you boot into Windows 7,
Partition 2
is C: and Partition 1 is D:. Confused the daylights out of me the
first time it did that until I figured out what happened.



100% correct, drive letters reversed so your boot drive is
always C,
Done it many times.

Rene

YES! +1

Chris

Only true if you boot from the Windows install disc. If you do it
the
Microsoft way and run setup.exe from the first Windows like
Microsoft
says, it does not.


Don't know what your doing wrong but it works fine for me.

Rene

You ran the Windows install disc from boot up, right? You didn't run
the
disc from the first Windows, right? Yes, I thought so.

Wrong, and what you "thought" isn't so, and besides I don't give a hoot
what You Thought..

That is ok Rene, as I also know you don't have 30+ years of computer
experience because if you did you would care. ;-)

BillW50 , Try 37 years, Started on a Honeywell Alpha 2000 Programed in
Octal, Teletype RO35 as a Hard monitor.

Then why don't you care?


Care about what? what you think or what Micrsoft tells you to do to
install or dualboot Windows? And I didn't say I didn't care, I said I
don't Give A hoot. :-))

And Yes When I do a clean new install I want all new updated Apps and
drivers. consequently I never get all these blue screens and lockups
that people complain about. And No it doesn't take all that long to do.

Regards, Rene

BillW50 wrote:

Is that so, Gene? I've done it dozens of times and I know you are
wrong.

Sorry, he's right, you're wrong.

Say you have two partitions. The last one is empty (where
you plan on installing Windows 7 let's say) and the first one has
XP installed. Microsoft tells you to run the Windows 7 install
setup.exe under XP.

So you're doing it wrong, no wonder you have such weird ideas about
what happens!

You turn off the pc, restart and boot in the Windows CD, tell it to
install on your selected partition (I chose "G" because D, E and F are
in use) it installs, designates that partition as drive "C" and assigns
your former partition a new drive letter (like maybe "F") and you now
have 2 "C" drives. If I boot Win7 it boots drive 0, partition 1 which
is "C" to Windows 7, if I boot Win8 it boots drive 0, partition 4 which
is drive "C" to Windows 8 and all work to perfection.

NOTE: Zaphod Beeblebrox probably explained it more clearly but that's
the advantage of having two heads, he can proofread his own posts....

The ONLY caveat, to set up a dual, triple, quadruple, etc. boot, IF you
want MSFT to set it up automatically you MUST install the oldest OS
first, otherwise you'll have to use BCDedit to set things up.



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BillW50 wrote:

Only true if you boot from the Windows install disc. If you do it
the Microsoft way and run setup.exe from the first Windows like
Microsoft says, it does not.

Microsoft says "Turn off your PC and reboot on the install CD"



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On 12/6/2012 4:28 PM, Chris S. wrote:

"BillW50" wrote in message
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On 12/6/2012 4:10 PM, Chris S. wrote:

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
On 12/6/2012 3:59 PM, Chris S. wrote:

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
On 12/6/2012 3:42 PM, ..winston wrote:

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to
install the
other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you
do it
this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C
if the
first one is on drive C.

Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently
under
each boot.

Gene you are correct.

The drive lettering is dynamic.
The o/s that is loaded from the multi-boot menu in a multi-boot
system
will be C:\ the other partitions will be assigned later drive
letters.
Nor does it matter if the o/s reside on the same or different
drives.

As an example - http://sdrv.ms/TVH8N2
Picture shows a triple boot system (one XP, and two Windows 7 Pro's)
currently booted to one of the Win7 (Drive C. The other o/s are XP
(Drive D: and Win7 Pro4Beta Drive E.

Note the labeling that shows the Disk and Partition (D0, D1 are the
separate disks, P1 and P2 the partition on those disks)
First Disk is D0 and has two operating systems XP on P1 (first
partition), Win7 on P2 (second partition).
Second Disk is D1 and has one operating system Win7 on P1 (first
partition)

Currently (shown in pic) loaded o/s is Win7 on Disk 0 (D0) and
Partition
2 (P2) and is drive C: with XP (D0, P1) becoming drive D:, and Win7
(D1,
P1) drive E:

If XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, Win7 on
Disk
0 Partition 2 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1
would be
drive E:

If Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, XP on
Disk
0 Partition 1 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2
would E:

i.e. drives letters are dynamic, not static.

Only true if you install dualboot with the new Windows from the
install disc. If you install the new Windows from the previous
Windows, it does not.


I can't imagine installing Windows any other way than with a clean
installation
from the booted DVD. Allowing the setup to format the drive as well.

Chris

What can I tell you, that works great of course. But Microsoft tells
you otherwise. They tell you to run setup.exe on the install disc from
the first installed Windows. That too works great if you to upgrade
the previous Windows, but not for dualbooting as the drive letters on
the new Windows won't be drive C.


Hmmm... Never read such a statement from Microsoft. But then I never
"Upgrade" a Windows OS. Always a clean installation.

Never did, ah? So you reinstall your applications, utilities, and
setting all from scratch? How many hours does that take?


When I move to a "new" Operating System, yes I do re-install, and
probably update the applications and utilities. "WET" helps significantly.

This doesn't happen often as I don't have two dozen old computers
strewn about. Certainly no more than yearly.

Oh man! Back in the 80's and 90's it wasn't too bad installing from
scratch. But around 2001, I said I had enough of this nonsense. Back in
the early days when the system got unstable, no big deal, just reinstall
everything. Later, it wasn't so easy to do so. Previously, I never
worried about backing up my OS or applications, as you can always
reinstall. Only backing up the data was important.

Nowadays it is so much worse. Now I own applications with keys that can
only be activated once and then the keys are useless. And if you need to
reinstall someday, that key is useless and you have to buy another key
or plead your case with customer service (yes I have lost with customer
service before, so it doesn't always work). And worse, some keys won't
allow hardware changes, cloning to a new drive, etc.

So starting fresh is really bad for me most of the time. Maybe you have
better luck in that department than I do. Sure I can do it, but I might
have to give up stuff unless I pony up and pay again.

So how long does it take for you to start from scratch again? I've been
using this new Dell Latitute Slate Tablet for two days now with Windows
7 preinstalled without all of my favorite stuff. I don't have everything
I want on it of course. Plus I already paid Microsoft for an upgrade for
Windows 8 on this machine and I haven't done it yet. SO whatever I do on
this machine might not matter since it might be running Windows 8 later.
It might never happen, but at least I have a Windows 8 key if I do.

--
Bill
Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('11 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 7 SP1

"Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message
...
On 12/6/2012 4:55 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 4:48 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 12/6/2012 4:10 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:49 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:32 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:26 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:16 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:11 PM, Chris S. wrote:

"Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message
...
On 12/6/2012 2:23 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:47:05 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" not-
lid wrote in article 1mlf7b0faa4km
...

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to
install
the
other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you
do it
this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive
C if
the
first one is on drive C.

Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters
differently
under
each boot.

Yup, exactly so. Install XP to Drive 1 Partition 1, leave
Partition 2
empty. XP assigns C: to Partition 1 and D: to Partition 2.
Install
Windows 7 to Partition 2, and when you boot into Windows 7,
Partition 2
is C: and Partition 1 is D:. Confused the daylights out of me
the
first time it did that until I figured out what happened.



100% correct, drive letters reversed so your boot drive is
always C,
Done it many times.

Rene

YES! +1

Chris

Only true if you boot from the Windows install disc. If you do it
the
Microsoft way and run setup.exe from the first Windows like
Microsoft
says, it does not.


Don't know what your doing wrong but it works fine for me.

Rene

You ran the Windows install disc from boot up, right? You didn't run
the
disc from the first Windows, right? Yes, I thought so.

Wrong, and what you "thought" isn't so, and besides I don't give a
hoot
what You Thought..

That is ok Rene, as I also know you don't have 30+ years of computer
experience because if you did you would care. ;-)

BillW50 , Try 37 years, Started on a Honeywell Alpha 2000 Programed in
Octal, Teletype RO35 as a Hard monitor.

Then why don't you care?


Care about what? what you think or what Micrsoft tells you to do to
install or dualboot Windows? And I didn't say I didn't care, I said I
don't Give A hoot. :-))

And Yes When I do a clean new install I want all new updated Apps and
drivers. consequently I never get all these blue screens and lockups that
people complain about. And No it doesn't take all that long to do.

Regards, Rene

Totally correct thinking, Rene! I agree wholeheartedly.
A pristine installation is the only way to go.

I had a similar career start as you did over 40 years ago.
SDS 910 (Later Xerox) programmed in Octal to make
it a beam controller for the then new NBS Linear Accelerator. (LINAC)

Chris

"Chris S." wrote:

But I see no benefit to "install the new Windows from the previous
Windows".

That's how you upgrade, not how you install a different OS.

BillW50 is mistaken when he says "that's how MSFT tells you do do it"
when my PC tells me to reboot on the install PC if I don't want to
upgrade.


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D0-P2 was installed from DO-P1 o/s (XP) by inserting the full version W7Pro DVD and running setup.
D1-P1 was installed by booting the W7Pro DVD (from a different W7 Pro DVD)


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msft mvp


"BillW50" wrote in message ...

On 12/6/2012 3:42 PM, ..winston wrote:

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install the
other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it
this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if the
first one is on drive C.

Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently under
each boot.

Gene you are correct.

The drive lettering is dynamic.
The o/s that is loaded from the multi-boot menu in a multi-boot system
will be C:\ the other partitions will be assigned later drive letters.
Nor does it matter if the o/s reside on the same or different drives.

As an example - http://sdrv.ms/TVH8N2
Picture shows a triple boot system (one XP, and two Windows 7 Pro's)
currently booted to one of the Win7 (Drive C. The other o/s are XP
(Drive D: and Win7 Pro4Beta Drive E.

Note the labeling that shows the Disk and Partition (D0, D1 are the
separate disks, P1 and P2 the partition on those disks)
First Disk is D0 and has two operating systems XP on P1 (first
partition), Win7 on P2 (second partition).
Second Disk is D1 and has one operating system Win7 on P1 (first partition)

Currently (shown in pic) loaded o/s is Win7 on Disk 0 (D0) and Partition
2 (P2) and is drive C: with XP (D0, P1) becoming drive D:, and Win7 (D1,
P1) drive E:

If XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, Win7 on Disk
0 Partition 2 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 would be
drive E:

If Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, XP on Disk
0 Partition 1 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would E:

i.e. drives letters are dynamic, not static.

Only true if you install dualboot with the new Windows from the install
disc. If you install the new Windows from the previous Windows, it does not.

--
Bill
Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('11 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 7 SP1