Email question for W-8

On 07/12/2012 10:26 PM, R. H. Breener wrote:
I'm hoping I can get some information for a friend who just bought a
desktop with W-8. He wants to do as I did with the email program and
that is run WindowsMail or OutlookExpress on his new PC. I told him I
seriously doubt OE would run on any of the new OSs, but I would ask
about WindowsMail. Not WindowsLiveMail. Does anyone know if he can get
it to work like those of us with W-7?

Windowslive sucks, use Thunderbird.

--
Liberal-socialism is a great idea so long as the credit is good and
other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay
for it leave, they can all share having nothing but debt and discontentment.

On 08/12/2012 5:26 AM, Alias wrote:
On 12/8/2012 12:40 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Alias typed:
On 12/8/2012 10:43 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/8/2012 12:49 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
"R. H. Breener" wrote:

I'm hoping I can get some information for a friend who just bought
a desktop with W-8. He wants to do as I did with the email program
and that is run WindowsMail or OutlookExpress on his new PC. I
told him I seriously doubt OE would run on any of the new OSs, but
I would ask about WindowsMail. Not WindowsLiveMail. Does anyone
know if he can get it to work like those of us with W-7?

Introduce your friend to Mozilla's Thunderbird...

I've been running Thunderbird since v1.5 and I wished I never
bothered with it at all. After all of these years it is still clumsy
to use and slow as molasses. And they can never get it right and
keep releasing bug fixes like crazy. Just in the last three years,
they went from v3 to v17. That's just insane! Maybe Mozilla might
get it right around version 93.

The only thing it does right is to also work as a portable
application. That makes syncing between machines very easy. And I
thought it was slow on my 6 year old machines. But it is just awful
on my new Intel Atom Z670 slate tablets. Heck the editor sometimes
freezes for 30 to 45 seconds at a time on these machines. Mozilla
really needs to get some better programmers that actually knows what
they are doing. :-(

Well, if something doesn't work for Bill the Braggart, you know it
will work for everyone else. I've been using T-Bird and its
predecessors for years and it isn't slow at all.

You are also an admitted pirate,

A lie.

thief,

A lie.

cheat,

A lie

and have no respect for
honesty and truth.

The irony!

So no surprise there.


What's no surprise is you can't configure T-Bird to work properly and,
well, you're a liar.

Alias, I see Microsoft diety worshipers are still idiots. Are you still
in Spain?


--
Liberal-socialism is a great idea so long as the credit is good and
other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay
for it leave, they can all share having nothing but debt and discontentment.

On 12/10/2012 11:37 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
Alias, I see Microsoft diety worshipers are still idiots. Are you still
in Spain?

Yep.

--
Alias

On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 11:08:43 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 10:23:20 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

"..winston" wrote:

***It does not support POP3***

I'm wondering what was the reason(s) behind that?

I've wondered about that too. But I don't know the answer, and I
doubt very much that Microsoft will ever tell us the reason.

I agree, but it's unfortunate because POP3 is all I have. There is
NO alternative in my area, I believe that Century Link, a DSL
service, offers POP3 only also.

Fortunately, Outlook 2007 still supports POP3, not sure about later
versions.


Later versions--both Outlook 2010 and Outlook 2013--also support it.


All 3rd party email programs also support POP3 AFAIK....


Same here. I don't know of any that don't either.


--
Ken Blake

"Tom Lake" wrote in message
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"..winston" wrote in message ...

"R. H. Breener" wrote in message ...


He asked about OE and WM, as he, like so many others, doesn't want WLM.
I'm going to forward him your entire post. I haven't seen W-8 or whatever
email program it comes with so can't comment. I wish he would use Usenet,
but I don't want to confuse him even more.


Windows 8 includes an email app (not full or simple mapi client) called
Windows Mail (not to be confused with Vista similar named
Windows Mail)

The Mail app in Win8 does not include a newsreader and only supports the
following type of accounts
Hotmail type accounts (Hotmail, Live, Msn, Outlook.com)
Outlook 365
Exchange
Google
Yahoo
AOL
Exchange Active Sync
IMAP

***It does not support POP3***

It is capable of the MAILTO URL:MailTo Protocol
Is is not capable of the Send Mail (aka SENDTO) Send Mail command

The Win8 Mail app is more closely related to the Windows Phone email app
than a full featured client.

--
...winston
msft mvp

If you have a Hotmail (or Outlook.com) account You can add POP3 accounts
to Mail. It's just not obvious how.

http://www.howtogeek.com/130516/how-...-in-windows-8/

Tom Lake


I'm forwarding all this to him. I hope it helps.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 07/12/2012 10:26 PM, R. H. Breener wrote:
I'm hoping I can get some information for a friend who just bought a
desktop with W-8. He wants to do as I did with the email program and
that is run WindowsMail or OutlookExpress on his new PC. I told him I
seriously doubt OE would run on any of the new OSs, but I would ask
about WindowsMail. Not WindowsLiveMail. Does anyone know if he can get
it to work like those of us with W-7?

Windowslive sucks, use Thunderbird.

--
Liberal-socialism is a great idea so long as the credit is good and other
people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay for it
leave, they can all share having nothing but debt and discontentment.

This info isn't for me. It's for someone else who just got a new PC w/W-8.
I have a fairly new PC with W-7. I'll save the info since some day I'll most
likely need the information for myself. That is unless I switch to a MAC.

"Frank" wrote in message
...

"R. H. Breener" wrote in message
...
I'm hoping I can get some information for a friend who just bought a
desktop
with W-8. He wants to do as I did with the email program and that is run
WindowsMail or OutlookExpress on his new PC. I told him I seriously
doubt OE
would run on any of the new OSs, but I would ask about WindowsMail. Not
WindowsLiveMail. Does anyone know if he can get it to work like those of
us
with W-7?


Hi R H,

Yes you can most definitely use your Vista Windows Mail email program on
Windows 8 as many have done already, it's almost the same procedure just
like I
see 'You' did the other day on Windows 7 over in the alt.windows7.general
group. Many people have and use WM on Windows 8 just fine!
It's almost the same procedure as you've done on Windows 7, but it's just
a
little different in the beginning. But seeing that you had so much
problems
with understanding how to do the simple tasks in the Windows 7 tutorial
may
mean that you haven't the techie experience yet to pull it off on Windows
8
too. You won't find the support for it especially on this group like you
did the other day in the other group for something that is so unsupported
and
not very well explained on how to accomplish the task. Perhaps at some
point
someone will make a detailed tutorial on that Windows 8 forum just like
they
did on the Windows 7 forum.
Anyway you can check how to do it in the below link, realize though it
seems
you need to read further than just the first post there, and read the
whole
first page of posts and discern the necessary info first before you
proceed:
http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html

Good luck


I'm passing all this info' on to him. Does anyone know why MS doesn't have a
working copy for people who want it to download it? It wouldn't cost MS
anything. That's not a monopoly if people choose it for themselves.

"Frank" wrote in message
...

"R. H. Breener" wrote in message
...
I'm hoping I can get some information for a friend who just bought a
desktop
with W-8. He wants to do as I did with the email program and that is run
WindowsMail or OutlookExpress on his new PC. I told him I seriously
doubt OE
would run on any of the new OSs, but I would ask about WindowsMail. Not
WindowsLiveMail. Does anyone know if he can get it to work like those of
us
with W-7?


Hi R H,

Yes you can most definitely use your Vista Windows Mail email program on
Windows 8 as many have done already, it's almost the same procedure just
like I
see 'You' did the other day on Windows 7 over in the alt.windows7.general
group. Many people have and use WM on Windows 8 just fine!
It's almost the same procedure as you've done on Windows 7, but it's just
a
little different in the beginning. But seeing that you had so much
problems
with understanding how to do the simple tasks in the Windows 7 tutorial
may
mean that you haven't the techie experience yet to pull it off on Windows
8
too.

He lives too far for me to help. Plus I've not seen W-8 so can't even help
him over the phone.

You won't find the support for it especially on this group like you
did the other day in the other group for something that is so unsupported
and
not very well explained on how to accomplish the task. Perhaps at some
point
someone will make a detailed tutorial on that Windows 8 forum just like
they
did on the Windows 7 forum.
Anyway you can check how to do it in the below link, realize though it
seems
you need to read further than just the first post there, and read the
whole
first page of posts and discern the necessary info first before you
proceed:
http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html

Good luck

R. H. Breener wrote:

"Frank" wrote in message
...

"R. H. Breener" wrote in message
...
I'm hoping I can get some information for a friend who just bought a
desktop
with W-8. He wants to do as I did with the email program and that is run
WindowsMail or OutlookExpress on his new PC. I told him I seriously
doubt OE
would run on any of the new OSs, but I would ask about WindowsMail. Not
WindowsLiveMail. Does anyone know if he can get it to work like
those of us
with W-7?


Hi R H,

Yes you can most definitely use your Vista Windows Mail email program on
Windows 8 as many have done already, it's almost the same procedure
just like I
see 'You' did the other day on Windows 7 over in the alt.windows7.general
group. Many people have and use WM on Windows 8 just fine!
It's almost the same procedure as you've done on Windows 7, but it's
just a
little different in the beginning. But seeing that you had so much
problems
with understanding how to do the simple tasks in the Windows 7
tutorial may
mean that you haven't the techie experience yet to pull it off on
Windows 8
too.

He lives too far for me to help. Plus I've not seen W-8 so can't even
help him over the phone.

You won't find the support for it especially on this group like you
did the other day in the other group for something that is so
unsupported and
not very well explained on how to accomplish the task. Perhaps at
some point
someone will make a detailed tutorial on that Windows 8 forum just
like they
did on the Windows 7 forum.
Anyway you can check how to do it in the below link, realize though it
seems
you need to read further than just the first post there, and read the
whole
first page of posts and discern the necessary info first before you
proceed:
http://www.eightforums.com/browsers-...ndows-8-a.html


Good luck


It's probably too late now, but there were preview versions of
Windows 8, if you'd wanted to experiment with it. I have a copy
sitting on one of my disks here. The license for the preview
versions should all be expired sometime in January next year.
Until then, I can still play with it. I think the one I have
is Win8 Release Candidate.

Windows8-ReleasePreview-32bit-English.iso (2,615,529,472 bytes)

Windows8-ReleasePreview-64bit-English.iso (3,515,703,296 bytes)

License key (until mid-January) = TK8TP-9JN6P-7X7WW-RFFTV-B7QPF

Your computer needs NX/XD support for that version (same as
when using the actual released version of Win8). NX/XD is
a hardware feature, typically available in 64 bit generation
CPUs. My P4 in S478 socket, doesn't have that. But my LGA775
socket machines are OK. S754/S939 AMD processors or later,
are also OK. The requirement may not be spelled out
in the Win8 documentation.

*******

As for someone living too far away to help, there is
always remote control software (like perhaps TeamViewer).
The key ingredient there, is a broadband connection.
If a person is on dialup, you're not going to be able
to do very much in any case, at 5KB/sec. Even Windows
Update sucks up too much bandwidth, to be practical to
do in a timely manner under all circumstances. (Imagine
installing a Service Pack, over a dialup modem connection.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teamviewer

*******

The only problem with the suggested "mail hack", is
what happens if there is ever a security update for
the original contents of that folder. That could damage
or blow away todays hacking effort, and require
another reload of the folder.

Paul

"R. H. Breener" wrote in message ...

Frank wrote
Yes you can most definitely use your Vista Windows Mail email program
on Windows 8 as many have done already,


I'm passing all this info' on to him. Does anyone know why MS doesn't
have a working copy for people who want it to download it?
It wouldn't cost MS anything.

I can elaborate to some extent.

Vista Windows Mail is protected code. Microsoft only distributes
code via o/s, software releases, and updates. Since WM was
included in the O/S, it's not MSFT practice to distribute o/s parts
separately as stand-alone software.
-i.e. if you have Vista, you already have the code

Second, MSFT doesn't support the use of Windows Mail on Win8.
- support is different than acknowledging or being aware that
Vista's Windows Mail can be used on Windows 8

Third..Acknowledgement of Windows Mail use has covered a fair
amount of ground since Win7's release.
- To accomplish using Window Mail on Win8 one needs a few
earlier version files. Those files are either obtained from one's
licensed Vista system or elsewhere. Elsewhere would entail
some form of distribution requiring MSFT's permission. At one
time MSFT has requested that those necessary files be removed
from certain sites since permission was not obtained to
distribute their protected code. The gray area started when
updates to those files became available when
included in easily downloadable updates (extraction required)
in publicly available Windows/Microsoft updates.

Finally, as an operating system gets older less effort is
placed on policing distribution of protected code without permission.

With all the above, there is no benefit for MSFT to make those
files available....its easier to acknowledge the possibility and
obvious distribution than to waste any time or expense to meet
a very small need especially when other free or fee based
MSFT email alternatives are available (Windows Live Mail 2012,
Office Outlook with Office suites, Windows 8 Mail app, Hotmail )
for use with Windows 8

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:47:31 -0500, "..winston"
wrote:

"R. H. Breener" wrote in message ...

Frank wrote
Yes you can most definitely use your Vista Windows Mail email program
on Windows 8 as many have done already,


I'm passing all this info' on to him. Does anyone know why MS doesn't
have a working copy for people who want it to download it?
It wouldn't cost MS anything.

I can elaborate to some extent.

Vista Windows Mail is protected code. Microsoft only distributes
code via o/s, software releases, and updates. Since WM was
included in the O/S, it's not MSFT practice to distribute o/s parts
separately as stand-alone software.
-i.e. if you have Vista, you already have the code

Second, MSFT doesn't support the use of Windows Mail on Win8.
- support is different than acknowledging or being aware that
Vista's Windows Mail can be used on Windows 8

Third..Acknowledgement of Windows Mail use has covered a fair
amount of ground since Win7's release.
- To accomplish using Window Mail on Win8 one needs a few
earlier version files. Those files are either obtained from one's
licensed Vista system or elsewhere. Elsewhere would entail
some form of distribution requiring MSFT's permission. At one
time MSFT has requested that those necessary files be removed
from certain sites since permission was not obtained to
distribute their protected code. The gray area started when
updates to those files became available when
included in easily downloadable updates (extraction required)
in publicly available Windows/Microsoft updates.

Finally, as an operating system gets older less effort is
placed on policing distribution of protected code without permission.

With all the above, there is no benefit for MSFT to make those
files available....its easier to acknowledge the possibility and
obvious distribution than to waste any time or expense to meet
a very small need especially when other free or fee based
MSFT email alternatives are available (Windows Live Mail 2012,
Office Outlook with Office suites, Windows 8 Mail app, Hotmail )
for use with Windows 8


I've been trying to install Windows Mail from my Vista 64 to Windows 8
for two weeks now and still haven't succeeded. Windows 8 will not
install the msidcrl30.dll file. It seems from what I've read it worked
fine on the prelimenary editions of Windows 8 but I haven't seen
anything on the version that is on my new Windows 8 computer.
Anyone have any ideas about that? Any help would be much appreciated.
TIA,
Walt

"Walt" wrote:

I've been trying to install Windows Mail from my Vista 64 to Windows 8
for two weeks now and still haven't succeeded. Windows 8 will not
install the msidcrl30.dll file. It seems from what I've read it worked
fine on the prelimenary editions of Windows 8 but I haven't seen
anything on the version that is on my new Windows 8 computer.
Anyone have any ideas about that? Any help would be much appreciated.
TIA,
Walt

Rename "Windows Mail" to "Windows Mail 8" (for not to need take ownership)
Create new "Windows Mail" folder (so all registry references still being
correct)
Copy content of "Windows Mail" folder from Vista into new created "Windows
Mail" folder
Copy "msidcrl30.dll" from Vista into "Windows Mail" folder
Run "Windows Mail"