Why Microsoft redesigned Windows

"BillW50" wrote in message ...

Mid 2013 ? That rumor (subscription based updates)
if it does exist, afaics lacks foundation.

Really, lacks foundation? Mary Jo Foley does have her reliable
sources within Microsoft. Why you think she doesn't?
http://www.zdnet.com/windows-next-ju...ue-7000002535/

Lol...
Having difficulty finding your references ??

That article (which I read months ago) has nothing to do about **subscription based updates** in mid 2013.
- update is mentioned only twice as a reference to a service pack or rollup. Subscription is not even mentioned.


If you like I can ask Mary Jo (on my social network) why she left out any reference to 'subscriptions' or didn't make herself clear
enough to be understood.

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....winston
msft mvp

...winston wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message ...

Mid 2013 ? That rumor (subscription based updates)
if it does exist, afaics lacks foundation.

Really, lacks foundation? Mary Jo Foley does have her reliable
sources within Microsoft. Why you think she doesn't?
http://www.zdnet.com/windows-next-ju...ue-7000002535/

Lol...
Having difficulty finding your references ??

That article (which I read months ago) has nothing to do about
**subscription based updates** in mid 2013.
- update is mentioned only twice as a reference to a service pack or
rollup. Subscription is not even mentioned.


If you like I can ask Mary Jo (on my social network) why she left out
any reference to 'subscriptions' or didn't make herself clear enough to
be understood.


It's a rumor at the moment. And the lockin will be achieved by the
invention of an SDK. Nifty.

http://www.pcper.com/news/General-Te...ue-Update-2013

Paul

Thanks Paul,
I'm aware of that (a Verge article a few months ago noted similar). I just wanted to point out that Mary Jo didn't claim or state
any reference to a 'subscription' based model as previously implied.

I do agree that in the long term [with a common o/s architecture foundation across multiple devices the easiest route to
update-rollup (upgrade is probably a better word to avoid confusion with security updates) said o/s on all devices is one common
path] that a subscription based model is most likely inevitable.

Doing so may also (in MSFT's eyes) de-complicate or simplify MSFT's approach to support -- where support directly from MSFT is only
provided for o/s using the latest available version (and after a period of time e.g. 90 days then additional support fees kick in)
with product lifecycles being shortened since it's nearly impossible to support more than one or two o/s.

--
....winston
msft mvp


"Paul" wrote in message ...

...winston wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message ...

Mid 2013 ? That rumor (subscription based updates)
if it does exist, afaics lacks foundation.

Really, lacks foundation? Mary Jo Foley does have her reliable
sources within Microsoft. Why you think she doesn't?
http://www.zdnet.com/windows-next-ju...ue-7000002535/

Lol...
Having difficulty finding your references ??

That article (which I read months ago) has nothing to do about **subscription based updates** in mid 2013.
- update is mentioned only twice as a reference to a service pack or rollup. Subscription is not even mentioned.


If you like I can ask Mary Jo (on my social network) why she left out any reference to 'subscriptions' or didn't make herself
clear enough to be understood.


It's a rumor at the moment. And the lockin will be achieved by the
invention of an SDK. Nifty.

http://www.pcper.com/news/General-Te...ue-Update-2013

Paul

In ,
...winston typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message ...

Mid 2013 ? That rumor (subscription based updates)
if it does exist, afaics lacks foundation.

Really, lacks foundation? Mary Jo Foley does have her reliable
sources within Microsoft. Why you think she doesn't?
http://www.zdnet.com/windows-next-ju...ue-7000002535/

Lol...
Having difficulty finding your references ??

Actually no.

That article (which I read months ago) has nothing to do about
**subscription based updates** in mid 2013. - update is mentioned only
twice as a reference to a service pack or
rollup. Subscription is not even mentioned.
If you like I can ask Mary Jo (on my social network) why she left out
any reference to 'subscriptions' or didn't make herself clear enough
to be understood.

Oh I assumed you where in the know camp. Sorry, my mistake. Windows Blue
is said to be the start for Windows new subscription based service and
the improved Start Screen that begins with build 9600.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing...ows-every-year

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/28/3...pdate-low-cost

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

On 1/2/2013 11:49 AM, BillW50 wrote:

Mid 2013 ? That rumor (subscription based updates) if it does
exist, afaics lacks foundation.

Really, lacks foundation? Mary Jo Foley does have her reliable
sources within Microsoft. Why you think she doesn't?
http://www.zdnet.com/windows-next-ju...ue-7000002535/

Lol... Having difficulty finding your references ??

Actually no.

That article (which I read months ago) has nothing to do about
**subscription based updates** in mid 2013. - update is mentioned
only twice as a reference to a service pack or rollup. Subscription
is not even mentioned. If you like I can ask Mary Jo (on my social
network) why she left out any reference to 'subscriptions' or
didn't make herself clear enough to be understood.

Oh I assumed you where in the know camp. Sorry, my mistake. Windows
Blue is said to be the start for Windows new subscription based
service and the improved Start Screen that begins with build 9600.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing...ows-every-year


http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/28/3...pdate-low-cost


Just another good reason to stick with 7 if you're going to use Windows
or move over to Linux.

--
Alias

See my other response.
You referenced an article by Mary Jo (a friend of mine) implying something she didn't say.
I'm absolutely certain I know a lot more than I'm allowed to state.

-- Those who say cannot know and those who know cannot say!

--
....winston
msft mvp


"BillW50" wrote in message ...

In ,
...winston typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message ...

Mid 2013 ? That rumor (subscription based updates)
if it does exist, afaics lacks foundation.

Really, lacks foundation? Mary Jo Foley does have her reliable
sources within Microsoft. Why you think she doesn't?
http://www.zdnet.com/windows-next-ju...ue-7000002535/

Lol...
Having difficulty finding your references ??

Actually no.

That article (which I read months ago) has nothing to do about
**subscription based updates** in mid 2013. - update is mentioned only twice as a reference to a service pack or
rollup. Subscription is not even mentioned.
If you like I can ask Mary Jo (on my social network) why she left out
any reference to 'subscriptions' or didn't make herself clear enough to be understood.

Oh I assumed you where in the know camp. Sorry, my mistake. Windows Blue
is said to be the start for Windows new subscription based service and
the improved Start Screen that begins with build 9600.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing...ows-every-year

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/28/3...pdate-low-cost

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

On 1/1/2013 3:39 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:41:33 -0500, charlie wrote:

On 12/30/2012 5:17 AM, Damaeus wrote:
In news:alt.comp.os.windows-8, Rob posted
on Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:48:32 +1100 the following:

MS have now gone the way of Apple where they release a new OS and make
a nominal charge, previously each release was very expensive exercise.

Be interesting to see what the next update (W9) will cost.

Someone somewhere (I think in this newsgroup) said that Microsoft was
trying to acclimate people to a subscription model for Windows. Perhaps
it'll be $20 a year to use Windows. That might not be too bad as long as
the updates keep coming, but if the subscription is $20 a year, maybe more
people will upgrade to each new version so Microsoft won't have to release
updates for so many older versions of Windows. But then, that also opens
the door to let people stay with the version they like if they're going to
have to keep paying $20 a year for it anyway. So maybe it's because
Microsoft wants to keep making money (or at least not losing money) on the
older versions of Windows people want to keep using.

I wonder how few people would have to be paying subscribers to Windows 9
when Windows 15 comes out. How few subscribers before Microsoft just
decides to stop supporting it, anyway. Maybe that's when the yearly
subscription would be terminated, and at that point, you use it at your
own risk, or you go back into the subscription loop with a newer version.

Damaeus


Microsoft has been playing with the idea of subscriptions for some time.
The details differ, but the idea persists.
At least some of the supporting code has been present in past windows
versions. I really expected to see subscriptions sooner in such things
as some office versions.

Subscriptions have been available to developers, partners, mvp's, etc.,
via such things as universal subscription programs, tech-net, and likely
others for more than a decade.

Given that I have multiple computers, used for diverse purposes,
a reasonably priced subscription is attractive. A Tech-net access
subscription and/or the partner program subscription allow access and
use of the majority of Microsoft's products. The "universal
subscription" is expensive, and since I no longer personally develop
software (retired), I can no longer justify the expense.

The cost of an operating system and a "fully featured" office version
for one desktop alone is about the same or more as the annual
subscription fee I pay for multiple computers and access/use of multiple
ops systems, and applications beyond those in most versions of office.
One license for a server ops system is more than the entire annual
subscription fee.

People have been predicting and pushing for "cloud" computing for
years using a subscription model. Especially for big companies. Ten
years ago the hot talk at my agency was how the "typical user" would
soon be switching from PCs to just dumb terminals connected to this
"cloud". I think some company named Cynex (or something like that)
kept pushing our IT people. It never happened. Too many people
really did have some kind of special need that required a PC on their
desk. About the only people I could ever see being happen with the
"cloud" model were paperwork drones who did the same repetitive tasks
every day.

"Too many people really did have some kind of special need that required
a PC on their desk. About the only people I could ever see being happen
with the "cloud" model were paperwork drones who did the same repetitive
tasks every day."

When parts of DOD were converting from old server/mainframe text based
software, (in the 90s) the conversion also involved changing from "dumb"
terminals to desktops running windows. The advantage was rather obvious.
The PC could be used as a dumb terminal (SmartTerm, EasyTerm, etc.) or
as a PC with the appropriate software.

At that time, it was possible to install applications similar or
identical to office on the server, and when needed, each user could
"start" the server based application from the PC. What happened was that
the application actually ran on the PC, not the server.

Later, the software providers got into such things as per seat
licensing. As a result, it was less expensive and better to simply buy
the PC's with the most common app software installed.

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 07:19:01 -0500, charlie wrote:


When parts of DOD were converting from old server/mainframe text based
software, (in the 90s) the conversion also involved changing from "dumb"
terminals to desktops running windows. The advantage was rather obvious.
The PC could be used as a dumb terminal (SmartTerm, EasyTerm, etc.) or
as a PC with the appropriate software.

At that time, it was possible to install applications similar or
identical to office on the server, and when needed, each user could
"start" the server based application from the PC. What happened was that
the application actually ran on the PC, not the server.

Later, the software providers got into such things as per seat
licensing. As a result, it was less expensive and better to simply buy
the PC's with the most common app software installed.

Charlie who? Just curious. I might know you.

ME

On 1/3/2013 9:13 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 07:19:01 -0500, charlie wrote:


When parts of DOD were converting from old server/mainframe text based
software, (in the 90s) the conversion also involved changing from "dumb"
terminals to desktops running windows. The advantage was rather obvious.
The PC could be used as a dumb terminal (SmartTerm, EasyTerm, etc.) or
as a PC with the appropriate software.

At that time, it was possible to install applications similar or
identical to office on the server, and when needed, each user could
"start" the server based application from the PC. What happened was that
the application actually ran on the PC, not the server.

Later, the software providers got into such things as per seat
licensing. As a result, it was less expensive and better to simply buy
the PC's with the most common app software installed.

Charlie who? Just curious. I might know you.

ME


At that time (90s) my office section had multiple Charlies.
We were among the first at a large DOD location in Georgia to actually
figure out what had to be done to get Zenith 286/386 desktops (addin 386
cards) to:
Run windows 3.x
Get them to "talk" to DEC and other DOD mainframes from windows, instead
of the "legacy" software.
Figured out and (very important!) document a method to remotely access
the mainframes from a dial up desktop or laptop, and, in turn use the
mainframes to access what is now called the internet.

After that showed the limitations of the Zenith desktops, a wholesale
replacement effort started, using an IBM "Value Line" 386 desktop model.
From sometime in the 90s, until I retired in 2004-5, I was one of the
MS MVPs (Ops Systems)

In ,
...winston typed:
See my other response.
You referenced an article by Mary Jo (a friend of mine) implying
something she didn't say. I'm absolutely certain I know a lot more
than I'm allowed to state.

-- Those who say cannot know and those who know cannot say!

--
...winston
msft mvp

Winston... what is your problem? If she is a friend of yours like you
say, just ask her. I am sure she knows about the subscription plan
rumors. No, she didn't say anything about it in that one link I posted.
But you seriously want me to post links of every article she ever
posted? She even knows about the subscription planned about Office.

http://redmondmag.com/articles/2012/...microsoft.aspx

"BillW50" wrote in message ...

In ,
..winston typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message ...

Mid 2013 ? That rumor (subscription based updates)
if it does exist, afaics lacks foundation.

Really, lacks foundation? Mary Jo Foley does have her reliable
sources within Microsoft. Why you think she doesn't?
http://www.zdnet.com/windows-next-ju...ue-7000002535/

Lol...
Having difficulty finding your references ??

Actually no.

That article (which I read months ago) has nothing to do about
**subscription based updates** in mid 2013. - update is mentioned
only twice as a reference to a service pack or rollup. Subscription
is not even mentioned. If you like I can ask Mary Jo (on my social
network) why she left out
any reference to 'subscriptions' or didn't make herself clear enough
to be understood.

Oh I assumed you where in the know camp. Sorry, my mistake. Windows
Blue is said to be the start for Windows new subscription based
service and the improved Start Screen that begins with build 9600.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing...ows-every-year

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/28/3...pdate-low-cost

--
Bill
Motion Computing LE1600TS Tablet ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino 758 1.5GHz - 1.5GB - Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005 SP3

Now you're correct.
And that was my point since that link was used falsely in an attempt to make a point that someone said something (which they did
not).

Fyi...the only article she wrote about subscription based versions was on Office and easily searchable (I use OL to grab her RSS
feeds)


--
....winston
msft mvp


"BillW50" wrote in message ...

No, she didn't say anything about it in that one link I posted.