dual boot

"Paul" wrote in message ...


The only thing Windows Media Center might provide is some CODECs.
But there are likely other ways to get those.

I thought the deal was a means to recover licensing costs. So if
you put DVD playing capability in an OS, you owed someone money.
As an OS development company, by making your customers pay for
additional CODECs, the customer who wants stuff like that, pays
extra for it.

Now, maybe if the only thing you supported was PCM sound, it might
be possible to avoid Dolby licensing. That might mean paying
for video codecs (mpeg LA?).

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/media...ight-away/3860

"We already know that some video codecs and Dolby Digital
capabilities will be left out of the base Windows 8 product.
At a buck or two per copy, that’s hundreds of millions of dollars
in expenses for Microsoft over the life of a Windows release - and
it's difficult to justify those outlays if 94% of users don’t want
or need the licensed components.
"

And this link doesn't clarify the situation, as to what you get
with Media Center in Win8.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/...indows-8/10287

Perhaps someone who is installing Media Center, can test with
GSpot CODEC tool. It's normally used to determine what CODECs
are needed to play a movie. But it will also list the CODECs
currently installed in a system.

http://gspot.headbands.com/v26x/index.htm

http://gspot.headbands.com/v26x/GSpot270a.zip


Hi Paul,

There continues to be a fair amount of confusion regarding Media Player's (MP) and Media Center's (MC) capabilities on Win8.

So far, I've yet to see anyone provide solid information (that may or may not exist) that MP will play DVD's with additional
installed codecs usually available from a variety of sources or included in other DVD playable/capable media players.

The presence of MC on Windows 8 Pro and its ability to play DVD's may also require updated Windows 8 graphics drivers (via Windows
Update or the Graphic Card adapter/Chip Manufacturer website ...as an example some of the more recent chips - Intel HD Graphics,
Intel HD Graphics 2000/3000/4000 series - needed an updated driver to provide MC DVD playing capability)

It will be interesting to see how the stand-alone CODEC tools/utilities and third party media players play out moving forward with
both Win8's MP and MC applications.


--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

You're welcome.
MP on Win8 (as well as MC on Win8) look and feel the same as they did on Win7.
* MP = Media Player; MC = Media Center *

Only MC , afiak at this stage, is the only product of the two (MP and MC) capable of playing DVD's (e.g. movies)


--
....winston
msft mvp


"Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message ...

...winston wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message ...


Hopefully Winston will chime in here if I make an error, as he knows this stuff better than me. But purchasing a Windows 8 key
now is supposed to be good forever (assuming Microsoft servers exists
forever). And the Media Center can be had by anybody with a valid
email address, even if you never owned Windows in your life. The key
thing in this case is that the key you get is supposedly worthless
after January 31st if you never activate it before then.


Just a few additional comments.

If you purchase a Windows 8 key, OEM preinstalled pc, or Personal Use
System Builder version before or after the promotional offer your license or ability to upgrade/install Windows 8 does not
expire after
the promotional period ends. What will change is the cost of the upgrade and/or Personal User System Builder version (OEM pc's
with preinstall Win8's have their own 'what I call floating-rate' pc
costs)

Windows 8 Pro is required to install Windows 8 Media Center

To obtain Media Center for Windows 8 Pro http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w.../feature-packs - Enter
your email address and type in the 6 characters - the product key and
a link to download will be emailed - You don't need to obtain W8
Media Center from a Win8 Pro pc but it will only install on a Win8
Pro PC - Win8 Media Center is installed via the Win8 Pro Add Features
option where you will be prompted to 'buy a key' or 'I have a key' -
after Jan 31, 2013, the Win8 Media Center will be available for Win8
Pro at some nominal cost ($10-15 US) - the free offer is only
available if you install and activate Win8 Media Center on Win8 Pro
prior to Jan 31, 2013 (i.e. if you obtain it prior to Jan 31, 2013
but install if after that date you will have to pay the nominal cost)
- installing Win8 Media Center on a Win8 Pro pc changes the o/s
version from Win8 Pro to Win 8 Pro with Media Center - installing
Win8 Media Center changes the license on the pc to a retail license -
installing Win8 Media Center changes the product key from the
previous Win8 Pro key to the Win8 Pro with Media Center key - if your
original pc was an OEM pc (e.g. Dell, HP, Samsung etc.) you will no
longer be able to obtain OEM specific apps from the MSFT store. -
after you install Win8 Pro Media Center you are entitled to 90 days
of no-charge support from MSFT

Notes: (1.) I have no clue how the above impacts support from an/your
OEM pc manufacturer (2) I have no experience (since Jan 31 has not
arrived) how one would clean reinstall Win8 Pro and upgrade to Win 8
Pro with Media Center after Jan 31, 2013 with a Win8 Media Center key
that was acquired during the promotion (guessing - you'll have to pay
for it....which makes a strong case to ensure you have a valid backup
image of your entire System and Boot Volume of Win8 Pro Media Center
before prematurely jumping off that cliff) (3) You can verify that
Win8 Media Center changes the o/s product key by comparing the
product key before and after install. (4) Good luck

Thank you for the detailed explanation. That confirms what I thought
about having to have Windows 8 installed before January 31 to get the
free Media Center. What you post elsewhere clarifies another point. I
was confusing Windows Media Player, which I want, with Windows Media
Center, which I don't care about. If Windows 8 comes with WMP, then I
have no problem with a January 31 deadline.
--
Crash

"Something there is that doesn't love a wall, that wants it down."
~ Robert Frost ~

On 2012-12-21, ..winston wrote:
Based on the licensing agreement that appears to be MSFT's position....only the Personal User System Builder version has language
allowing use in a virtual or separate partition.

As noted elsewhere (possibly in this forum or on the net) ...technically feasible vs. allowed are two different animals.


--
...winston
msft mvp


So, if the win8 overrides/kills the win7 license after installation,
would that also mean one can no longer use the win7 license after
deleting the win8 to re-install the win7...legally since the win7
could not be used?

"anotherpaul" wrote in message ...

So, if the win8 overrides/kills the win7 license after installation,
would that also mean one can no longer use the win7 license after
deleting the win8 to re-install the win7...legally since the win7
could not be used?

The user can always return to their prior o/s but not via the Win8 o/s. Removing Win8 and returning to an earlier o/s (clean
install, recovery media, etc.) and activating the previous o/s and license is permitted. Activation when necessary would be handled
the same as in the past...online or over the phone.

--
....winston
msft mvp

In ,
...winston typed:
The user can always return to their prior o/s but not via the Win8
o/s. Removing Win8 and returning to an earlier o/s (clean install,
recovery media, etc.) and activating the previous o/s and
license is permitted. Activation when necessary would be handled the
same as in the past...online or over the phone.

And what does Microsoft say we are suppose to do with the Windows 8 Pro
Upgrade ($199.99 list price) that didn't work out?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

"..winston" wrote in message ...


"anotherpaul" wrote in message ...

So, if the win8 overrides/kills the win7 license after installation,
would that also mean one can no longer use the win7 license after
deleting the win8 to re-install the win7...legally since the win7
could not be used?

The user can always return to their prior o/s but not via the Win8 o/s. Removing Win8 and
returning to an earlier o/s (clean install, recovery media, etc.) and activating the previous o/s
and license is permitted. Activation when necessary would be handled
the same as in the past...online or over the phone.

--
...winston
msft mvp

That's not what it says on my license agreement.
I upgraded to Windows 8 Pro from Windows 7 Pro.
If I right-click Computer Properties and 'View details in Windows Activation'
there is a link to 'Read the Microsoft Software License Terms'.

There are some Q&A where it says:

"What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement
is an upgrade to your existing system software, so the UPGRADE REPLACES THE
ORIGINAL SOFTWARE THAT YOU ARE UPGRADING. You do not retain any rights to the
original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to use it
or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the
upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you
upgraded."

On 12/22/2012 4:21 AM, Dave-UK wrote:

"..winston" wrote in message
...


"anotherpaul" wrote in message ...

So, if the win8 overrides/kills the win7 license after installation,
would that also mean one can no longer use the win7 license after
deleting the win8 to re-install the win7...legally since the win7
could not be used?

The user can always return to their prior o/s but not via the Win8
o/s. Removing Win8 and returning to an earlier o/s (clean install,
recovery media, etc.) and activating the previous o/s and license is
permitted. Activation when necessary would be handled the same as in
the past...online or over the phone.

--
...winston
msft mvp

That's not what it says on my license agreement.
I upgraded to Windows 8 Pro from Windows 7 Pro.
If I right-click Computer Properties and 'View details in Windows
Activation'
there is a link to 'Read the Microsoft Software License Terms'.

There are some Q&A where it says:

"What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement
is an upgrade to your existing system software, so the UPGRADE REPLACES THE
ORIGINAL SOFTWARE THAT YOU ARE UPGRADING. You do not retain any rights
to the
original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to
use it
or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the
upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you
upgraded."

Yes that was my understanding too. So you purchase Windows 8 to replace
Windows 7. And then something doesn't work right... in my case, two
cameras quit working and I lost an hour of battery capacity under
Windows 8 compared to Windows 7 Pro. Plus Windows Updates are not
working. So I need another licence now for a full version of Windows 7
Pro (that costs $279.99 at Newegg). Because the Windows 8 Pro license
doesn't allow for downgrading. :-(

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116717

--
Bill
Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows Pro 8

On 2012-12-22, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/22/2012 4:21 AM, Dave-UK wrote:

"..winston" wrote in message
...


"anotherpaul" wrote in message ...

So, if the win8 overrides/kills the win7 license after installation,
would that also mean one can no longer use the win7 license after
deleting the win8 to re-install the win7...legally since the win7
could not be used?

The user can always return to their prior o/s but not via the Win8
o/s. Removing Win8 and returning to an earlier o/s (clean install,
recovery media, etc.) and activating the previous o/s and license is
permitted. Activation when necessary would be handled the same as in
the past...online or over the phone.

--
...winston
msft mvp

That's not what it says on my license agreement.
I upgraded to Windows 8 Pro from Windows 7 Pro.
If I right-click Computer Properties and 'View details in Windows
Activation'
there is a link to 'Read the Microsoft Software License Terms'.

There are some Q&A where it says:

"What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement
is an upgrade to your existing system software, so the UPGRADE REPLACES THE
ORIGINAL SOFTWARE THAT YOU ARE UPGRADING. You do not retain any rights
to the
original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to
use it
or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the
upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you
upgraded."

Yes that was my understanding too. So you purchase Windows 8 to replace
Windows 7. And then something doesn't work right... in my case, two
cameras quit working and I lost an hour of battery capacity under
Windows 8 compared to Windows 7 Pro. Plus Windows Updates are not
working. So I need another licence now for a full version of Windows 7
Pro (that costs $279.99 at Newegg). Because the Windows 8 Pro license
doesn't allow for downgrading. :-(

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116717

That's how m$ can make more money to be like apple.

I'm back to win7 on a "clean" install.

To try to get away from the constant "driver power failure state" where
m$ says to check online for "info", I decided to reinstall win8 from
start after formatting the drive. Decided to goback to win7 after
getting "driver power failure state" twice within 1 hr when I didn't
even get to finish configuring win8.

Dual booting is discouraged by m$ by making the permissions for
accessing various drives, partitions, folders & files. Depending how
much one has on a WORKING system, changing the permissions between
the OS's is a pain especially when inheritance changes are not
that dependable.

On 12/22/2012 11:19 AM, fritz wrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 10:13:19 -0600, wrote:

On 12/22/2012 4:21 AM, Dave-UK wrote:

wrote in message
...


"anotherpaul" wrote in message ...

So, if the win8 overrides/kills the win7 license after installation,
would that also mean one can no longer use the win7 license after
deleting the win8 to re-install the win7...legally since the win7
could not be used?

The user can always return to their prior o/s but not via the Win8
o/s. Removing Win8 and returning to an earlier o/s (clean install,
recovery media, etc.) and activating the previous o/s and license is
permitted. Activation when necessary would be handled the same as in
the past...online or over the phone.

--
...winston
msft mvp

That's not what it says on my license agreement.
I upgraded to Windows 8 Pro from Windows 7 Pro.
If I right-click Computer Properties and 'View details in Windows
Activation'
there is a link to 'Read the Microsoft Software License Terms'.

There are some Q&A where it says:

"What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement
is an upgrade to your existing system software, so the UPGRADE REPLACES THE
ORIGINAL SOFTWARE THAT YOU ARE UPGRADING. You do not retain any rights
to the
original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to
use it
or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the
upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you
upgraded."

Yes that was my understanding too. So you purchase Windows 8 to replace
Windows 7. And then something doesn't work right... in my case, two
cameras quit working and I lost an hour of battery capacity under
Windows 8 compared to Windows 7 Pro. Plus Windows Updates are not
working. So I need another licence now for a full version of Windows 7
Pro (that costs $279.99 at Newegg). Because the Windows 8 Pro license
doesn't allow for downgrading. :-(

...

Horsepucky.

None of that says you can't remove Win8 by restoring a Win7 image.

It does say that after you upgrade to Win8 you can't _also_ use the
original software.

--
Bill
Dell Latitute

Latitute is nowhere as bad as the top posters and the goobers who say
**** you to those who expect proper quote marking.

Something isn't making any sense here. If you can't dualboot between
Windows 7 and Windows 8. But you can keep backups of Windows 7? Then can
you also keep backups of Windows 8 too? Then one week you feel like
running Windows 7 so you restore Windows 7 from a backup. Fine. Now you
feel like running Windows 8 the next week. So you restore Windows 8. If
this is ok, then this is virtually the same thing as dualbooting. Just a
bit more time consuming.

--
Bill
Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows Pro 8

On 12/22/2012 11:32 AM, anotherpaul wrote:
On 2012-12-22, wrote:
On 12/22/2012 4:21 AM, Dave-UK wrote:

wrote in message
...


"anotherpaul" wrote in message ...

So, if the win8 overrides/kills the win7 license after installation,
would that also mean one can no longer use the win7 license after
deleting the win8 to re-install the win7...legally since the win7
could not be used?

The user can always return to their prior o/s but not via the Win8
o/s. Removing Win8 and returning to an earlier o/s (clean install,
recovery media, etc.) and activating the previous o/s and license is
permitted. Activation when necessary would be handled the same as in
the past...online or over the phone.

--
...winston
msft mvp

That's not what it says on my license agreement.
I upgraded to Windows 8 Pro from Windows 7 Pro.
If I right-click Computer Properties and 'View details in Windows
Activation'
there is a link to 'Read the Microsoft Software License Terms'.

There are some Q&A where it says:

"What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement
is an upgrade to your existing system software, so the UPGRADE REPLACES THE
ORIGINAL SOFTWARE THAT YOU ARE UPGRADING. You do not retain any rights
to the
original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to
use it
or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the
upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you
upgraded."

Yes that was my understanding too. So you purchase Windows 8 to replace
Windows 7. And then something doesn't work right... in my case, two
cameras quit working and I lost an hour of battery capacity under
Windows 8 compared to Windows 7 Pro. Plus Windows Updates are not
working. So I need another licence now for a full version of Windows 7
Pro (that costs $279.99 at Newegg). Because the Windows 8 Pro license
doesn't allow for downgrading. :-(

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116717

That's how m$ can make more money to be like apple.

I'm back to win7 on a "clean" install.

To try to get away from the constant "driver power failure state" where
m$ says to check online for "info", I decided to reinstall win8 from
start after formatting the drive. Decided to goback to win7 after
getting "driver power failure state" twice within 1 hr when I didn't
even get to finish configuring win8.

Dual booting is discouraged by m$ by making the permissions for
accessing various drives, partitions, folders& files. Depending how
much one has on a WORKING system, changing the permissions between
the OS's is a pain especially when inheritance changes are not
that dependable.

That driver power failure state, is that from an USB device? My WiFi
driver disappears on this machine a couple of times a day. Sometimes
disabling and then reenabling brings it back in the Device Manager.
Although sometimes it isn't that easy and only uninstalling the WiFi
driver and reinstalling always gets it back so far. :-(

--
Bill
Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows Pro 8

On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:27:22 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

On 12/22/2012 11:19 AM, fritz wrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 10:13:19 -0600, wrote:

On 12/22/2012 4:21 AM, Dave-UK wrote:

wrote in message
...


"anotherpaul" wrote in message ...

So, if the win8 overrides/kills the win7 license after installation,
would that also mean one can no longer use the win7 license after
deleting the win8 to re-install the win7...legally since the win7
could not be used?

The user can always return to their prior o/s but not via the Win8
o/s. Removing Win8 and returning to an earlier o/s (clean install,
recovery media, etc.) and activating the previous o/s and license is
permitted. Activation when necessary would be handled the same as in
the past...online or over the phone.

--
...winston
msft mvp

That's not what it says on my license agreement.
I upgraded to Windows 8 Pro from Windows 7 Pro.
If I right-click Computer Properties and 'View details in Windows
Activation'
there is a link to 'Read the Microsoft Software License Terms'.

There are some Q&A where it says:

"What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement
is an upgrade to your existing system software, so the UPGRADE REPLACES THE
ORIGINAL SOFTWARE THAT YOU ARE UPGRADING. You do not retain any rights
to the
original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to
use it
or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the
upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you
upgraded."

Yes that was my understanding too. So you purchase Windows 8 to replace
Windows 7. And then something doesn't work right... in my case, two
cameras quit working and I lost an hour of battery capacity under
Windows 8 compared to Windows 7 Pro. Plus Windows Updates are not
working. So I need another licence now for a full version of Windows 7
Pro (that costs $279.99 at Newegg). Because the Windows 8 Pro license
doesn't allow for downgrading. :-(

...

Horsepucky.

None of that says you can't remove Win8 by restoring a Win7 image.

It does say that after you upgrade to Win8 you can't _also_ use the
original software.

--
Bill
Dell Latitute

Latitute is nowhere as bad as the top posters and the goobers who say
**** you to those who expect proper quote marking.

Something isn't making any sense here. If you can't dualboot between
Windows 7 and Windows 8. But you can keep backups of Windows 7? Then can
you also keep backups of Windows 8 too? Then one week you feel like
running Windows 7 so you restore Windows 7 from a backup. Fine. Now you
feel like running Windows 8 the next week. So you restore Windows 8. If
this is ok, then this is virtually the same thing as dualbooting. Just a
bit more time consuming.

The way I read it is the same as you and Dave-UK. Win8 replaces the
Win7 and the latter can no longer be used. Sure, you can reinstall Win7
from an image, but will it re-activate? I dunno; I can't get Win8 to
install on this system, but has anyone upgraded, didn't like Win8 and
tried to reinstall Win7?
--
Robin Bignall
Herts, England

On 12/22/2012 2:00 PM, Robin Bignall wrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:27:22 -0600, wrote:

On 12/22/2012 11:19 AM, fritz wrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 10:13:19 -0600, wrote:

On 12/22/2012 4:21 AM, Dave-UK wrote:

wrote in message
...


"anotherpaul" wrote in message ...

So, if the win8 overrides/kills the win7 license after installation,
would that also mean one can no longer use the win7 license after
deleting the win8 to re-install the win7...legally since the win7
could not be used?

The user can always return to their prior o/s but not via the Win8
o/s. Removing Win8 and returning to an earlier o/s (clean install,
recovery media, etc.) and activating the previous o/s and license is
permitted. Activation when necessary would be handled the same as in
the past...online or over the phone.

--
...winston
msft mvp

That's not what it says on my license agreement.
I upgraded to Windows 8 Pro from Windows 7 Pro.
If I right-click Computer Properties and 'View details in Windows
Activation'
there is a link to 'Read the Microsoft Software License Terms'.

There are some Q&A where it says:

"What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement
is an upgrade to your existing system software, so the UPGRADE REPLACES THE
ORIGINAL SOFTWARE THAT YOU ARE UPGRADING. You do not retain any rights
to the
original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to
use it
or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the
upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you
upgraded."

Yes that was my understanding too. So you purchase Windows 8 to replace
Windows 7. And then something doesn't work right... in my case, two
cameras quit working and I lost an hour of battery capacity under
Windows 8 compared to Windows 7 Pro. Plus Windows Updates are not
working. So I need another licence now for a full version of Windows 7
Pro (that costs $279.99 at Newegg). Because the Windows 8 Pro license
doesn't allow for downgrading. :-(

...

Horsepucky.

None of that says you can't remove Win8 by restoring a Win7 image.

It does say that after you upgrade to Win8 you can't _also_ use the
original software.

--
Bill
Dell Latitute

Latitute is nowhere as bad as the top posters and the goobers who say
**** you to those who expect proper quote marking.

Something isn't making any sense here. If you can't dualboot between
Windows 7 and Windows 8. But you can keep backups of Windows 7? Then can
you also keep backups of Windows 8 too? Then one week you feel like
running Windows 7 so you restore Windows 7 from a backup. Fine. Now you
feel like running Windows 8 the next week. So you restore Windows 8. If
this is ok, then this is virtually the same thing as dualbooting. Just a
bit more time consuming.

The way I read it is the same as you and Dave-UK. Win8 replaces the
Win7 and the latter can no longer be used. Sure, you can reinstall Win7
from an image, but will it re-activate? I dunno; I can't get Win8 to
install on this system, but has anyone upgraded, didn't like Win8 and
tried to reinstall Win7?

Yup, me too. Once you install Windows 8 Upgrade I read that your old
Windows 7 license is invalid and you must destroy all Windows 7 backup
copies. And you are stuck with Windows 8, whether you like it or not.
And if you don't like it, then the Windows 8 license also becomes worthless.

Activation? That isn't a problem if you made a backup copy or clone
after it has been activated. Windows will never ask you to reactivate
unless the hardware changes enough.

--
Bill
Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows Pro 8

On 2012-12-22, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/22/2012 11:32 AM, anotherpaul wrote:
....................snips...............
That's how m$ can make more money to be like apple.

I'm back to win7 on a "clean" install.

To try to get away from the constant "driver power failure state" where
m$ says to check online for "info", I decided to reinstall win8 from
start after formatting the drive. Decided to goback to win7 after
getting "driver power failure state" twice within 1 hr when I didn't
even get to finish configuring win8.

Dual booting is discouraged by m$ by making the permissions for
accessing various drives, partitions, folders& files. Depending how
much one has on a WORKING system, changing the permissions between
the OS's is a pain especially when inheritance changes are not
that dependable.

That driver power failure state, is that from an USB device? My WiFi
driver disappears on this machine a couple of times a day. Sometimes
disabling and then reenabling brings it back in the Device Manager.
Although sometimes it isn't that easy and only uninstalling the WiFi
driver and reinstalling always gets it back so far. :-(

So far, I've seen the driver power failure state attributed to the
display adaptor, usb, hdd, dvd burner & network card. Take your
choice of where the problem lies.

In my case, m$ took over doing the drivers for usb3 & it doesn't work
with the mb's usb3; but it does work with siig's pcie usb3 board! When
the hdd was connected to the mb usb3, the win8 disk manager claims the
hdd was "not initialized".

On 12/22/2012 3:10 PM, fritz wrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 20:00:27 +0000, Robin Bignall
wrote:

The way I read it is the same as you and Dave-UK. Win8 replaces the
Win7 and the latter can no longer be used. Sure, you can reinstall Win7
from an image, but will it re-activate?

One doesn't reinstall an image, one restores it.

Oh come on! The bottom line is the same. Sure you can reinstall
everything or restore from a backup, the results are the same.

Reactivation is not
an issue - all the activation stuff is in the image.

Hopefully! You don't know how many backup programs have burned me
before. Like Realflight for example with all of the addons requires like
18 different keys. And some backup software doesn't restore the keys and
Realflight ask for every single one after a restore with some backup
programs.

Think about it - All the os partitions that get restored and all the
SSDs that get the OS moved to them don't have to get activated again,
because... taa daa... the activation stuff is already there.

Only if Windows thinks nothing has changed. If it sees anything has
changed like the motherboard or something, you have to reactivate. Even
if the motherboard hasn't, it just thinks it has.

I dunno; I can't get Win8 to
install on this system, but has anyone upgraded, didn't like Win8 and
tried to reinstall Win7?

Reinstall, no. Restore, yes. Did that on 12 Nov and all was as it
should be after the exercise and still is. Done with Acronis True
Image.

Oh man! I have tons of horror stories about Acronis. I think I have like
about 13 pages worth. That is one of them that burns me on Realflight
actually. And version after version carries the same bugs they had for
over 6 years now. And will they refund your money if the new version has
the same bugs as the old one? In my experience, no!

--
Bill
Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows Pro 8

On 2012-12-22, fritz wrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 20:00:27 +0000, Robin Bignall
wrote:

The way I read it is the same as you and Dave-UK. Win8 replaces the
Win7 and the latter can no longer be used. Sure, you can reinstall Win7
from an image, but will it re-activate?

One doesn't reinstall an image, one restores it. Reactivation is not
an issue - all the activation stuff is in the image.

Think about it - All the os partitions that get restored and all the
SSDs that get the OS moved to them don't have to get activated again,
because... taa daa... the activation stuff is already there.

I dunno; I can't get Win8 to
install on this system, but has anyone upgraded, didn't like Win8 and
tried to reinstall Win7?

Reinstall, no. Restore, yes. Did that on 12 Nov and all was as it
should be after the exercise and still is. Done with Acronis True
Image.

I did the reinstall yesterday. Read this post about the activation
& checked but had thought that it was activated during the install.
Anyway, the system info page says I got 2 days left to activate & so I
hit the "activate now" & it got done. The system info say my win7
is now activated.

My copy of win7 was streamlined with the sp1 & it still had around
98 updates to do! Still getting the "no permission" regarding a file
every now & then; a big pain because of the way the "security" was
implemented. As I'm the only one on the system, I have decided to
make the "owner" as "everyone" & with full control; it might help
next time on an OS change/upgrade/update.