Start8 allows you to get back to Windows 7.

Hello Windows8users!

I recently installed Windows 8, found it useless.
And removed.

But then I heard of Start8 for Windows8.

I installed it.... and found Windows 8 works!
(Exactly like Windows 7 worked but even faster!)

Google "Start8" or follow my link
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/, newsgrouper!

Start8 gets back normal Windows 7 on Windows 8.

NEW KERNEL - CLASSICAL INTERFACE! MUST HAVE FOR EVERYONE!

(Unless you are fan of Windows 8 interface....)

--
Evgenii Sputnik +79134596180
We should create misc.phone.mobile.android newsgroup....

In ,
Evgenii Sputnik typed:
Hello Windows8users!

I recently installed Windows 8, found it useless.
And removed.

But then I heard of Start8 for Windows8.

I installed it.... and found Windows 8 works!
(Exactly like Windows 7 worked but even faster!)

Google "Start8" or follow my link
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/, newsgrouper!

Start8 gets back normal Windows 7 on Windows 8.

NEW KERNEL - CLASSICAL INTERFACE! MUST HAVE FOR EVERYONE!

(Unless you are fan of Windows 8 interface....)

Yes many people do. Also others like Classic Shell, Aston Shell, etc.
are also used. Especially among those that doesn't know how to work the
Start Screen yet. Myself, some machines I do and some machines I don't.
;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

On 12/27/2012 08:35 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Evgenii Sputnik typed:
Hello Windows8users!

I recently installed Windows 8, found it useless.
And removed.

But then I heard of Start8 for Windows8.

I installed it.... and found Windows 8 works!
(Exactly like Windows 7 worked but even faster!)

Google "Start8" or follow my link
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/, newsgrouper!

Start8 gets back normal Windows 7 on Windows 8.

NEW KERNEL - CLASSICAL INTERFACE! MUST HAVE FOR EVERYONE!

(Unless you are fan of Windows 8 interface....)

Yes many people do. Also others like Classic Shell, Aston Shell, etc.
are also used. Especially among those that doesn't know how to work the
Start Screen yet. Myself, some machines I do and some machines I don't.
;-)



I'm sure "Start8" is good, but I'd probably use one of the free alternatives

--
https://www.createspace.com/3707686

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:19:24 -0600, philo* wrote:

On 12/27/2012 08:35 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Evgenii Sputnik typed:
Hello Windows8users!

I recently installed Windows 8, found it useless.
And removed.

But then I heard of Start8 for Windows8.

I installed it.... and found Windows 8 works!
(Exactly like Windows 7 worked but even faster!)

Google "Start8" or follow my link
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/, newsgrouper!

Start8 gets back normal Windows 7 on Windows 8.

NEW KERNEL - CLASSICAL INTERFACE! MUST HAVE FOR EVERYONE!

(Unless you are fan of Windows 8 interface....)

Yes many people do. Also others like Classic Shell, Aston Shell, etc.
are also used. Especially among those that doesn't know how to work the
Start Screen yet. Myself, some machines I do and some machines I don't.
;-)



I'm sure "Start8" is good, but I'd probably use one of the free alternatives


Classic Shell, one of the free alternatives, is also good. But Start8
is even better. And for only $4.99...


--
Ken Blake

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:19:24 -0600, philo wrote:

On 12/27/2012 08:35 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Evgenii Sputnik typed:
Hello Windows8users!

I recently installed Windows 8, found it useless.
And removed.

But then I heard of Start8 for Windows8.

I installed it.... and found Windows 8 works!
(Exactly like Windows 7 worked but even faster!)

Google "Start8" or follow my link
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/, newsgrouper!

Start8 gets back normal Windows 7 on Windows 8.

NEW KERNEL - CLASSICAL INTERFACE! MUST HAVE FOR EVERYONE!

(Unless you are fan of Windows 8 interface....)

Yes many people do. Also others like Classic Shell, Aston Shell, etc.
are also used. Especially among those that doesn't know how to work the
Start Screen yet. Myself, some machines I do and some machines I don't.
;-)



I'm sure "Start8" is good, but I'd probably use one of the free
alternatives


Classic Shell, one of the free alternatives, is also good. But Start8
is even better. And for only $4.99...

I like this freebie:
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/157302-windows-7-explorer-for-windows-8/

Been using it since day 3 or so :-)
--
SC Tom

On 27 Dec 2012, Ken Blake wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Classic Shell, one of the free alternatives, is also good. But
Start8 is even better. And for only $4.99...

What do you like better about it?

Evgenii Sputnik wrote:
Hello Windows8users!

I recently installed Windows 8, found it useless.
And removed.

But then I heard of Start8 for Windows8.

I installed it.... and found Windows 8 works!
(Exactly like Windows 7 worked but even faster!)

Google "Start8" or follow my link
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/, newsgrouper!

Start8 gets back normal Windows 7 on Windows 8.

NEW KERNEL - CLASSICAL INTERFACE! MUST HAVE FOR EVERYONE!

(Unless you are fan of Windows 8 interface....)

Can Start8 also make Win8 "Start Screen" not to show up every time I log
in? I want it to show the desktop instead of the "Start Screen".

On 12/27/2012 2:06 PM, JJ wrote:
Evgenii wrote:
Hello Windows8users!

I recently installed Windows 8, found it useless.
And removed.

But then I heard of Start8 for Windows8.

I installed it.... and found Windows 8 works!
(Exactly like Windows 7 worked but even faster!)

Google "Start8" or follow my link
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/, newsgrouper!

Start8 gets back normal Windows 7 on Windows 8.

NEW KERNEL - CLASSICAL INTERFACE! MUST HAVE FOR EVERYONE!

(Unless you are fan of Windows 8 interface....)

Can Start8 also make Win8 "Start Screen" not to show up every time I log
in? I want it to show the desktop instead of the "Start Screen".

There are many ways to do this too. You can do this through the Task
Scheduler. Although I need none of that. I just use Standby or
Hibernation and it goes right back where I last left it. Right at the
desktop. :-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 SP1

"Ken Blake" wrote:

Classic Shell, one of the free alternatives, is also good. But Start8
is even better. And for only $4.99...

Better how? Besides just putzing with the Start menu and skipping
directly to the desktop, Classic Shell includes a Classic Explorer
plug-in that eliminates some of the gimmickry and replaces lost
functionality in Windows Explorer. They also have their Classic IE9
plug-in. It looks like Stardock is using Classic Shell as the base
against which to measure their product. When Classic Shell had a Win7
start menu skin, Stardock had to catch up to add it; however, Start8's
implementation is a bit better as Classic Shell doesn't permit app
pinning (yet if that were really a highly popular and desired feature
and since Classic Shell is open source then if lots of users wanted
pinning then the feature could be added - so it looks like pinning isn't
really that important or prevalent). While Classic Shell was available
for Vista & 7, Start8 is the new boy and only available for Win8 hence
the "8" in its product name. Classic Shell has had 3 years to mature
and it encompasses more Windows versions than just Windows 8. If you
have a mix of Windows platforms, Classic Shell lets you have that same
GUI on all of them. Not Start8 (all of 5 months old) which will puke
with a "minimum system requirements were not met" error if you attempt
installation on a pre-Win8 host. System requirements:

Classic Shell:
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8
Windows Server 2008
Windows Server 2008 R2
Windows Server 2012
Start8:
Windows 8
Windows Server 2012

I've read where users ran into flaky problems with Start8. It is, after
all, the new boy on the block. Users could run Notepad from the Recent
list in the Start menu but the history shortcut to Word locked up that
app. Users have also complained about the activation process which
requires online (Internet) access as it sometimes doesn't work. It is
not just going online to validate but also sending them a machine SID,
computer name, IP, and other info specific to your host. In other
words, they've resorted to Microsoft's scheme of generating a platform
ID to validate a license for activation on one host. If you read the
EULA for Start8, it says the license cannot be used on more than one
computer. If you have N hosts where you want an alternative desktop
manager, you'll have to *buy* N licenses (at $5) to get the same GUI on
each of your N hosts. With Classic Shell, you can install it on as many
hosts as you want. Start8 is for personal-use (non-business use) only.
Classic Shell is distributed under the MIT/X11 license so it can be used
on any number of hosts regardless if for personal or business use.

So, after buying 1 license that you get to use on only 1 computer, where
it ONLY works on Windows 8 obviating the ability to have a common GUI
across different versions of Windows, having to divulge a valid e-mail
address to get their download link (which is bogus - see below), and
having to perform online activation (to provide a platform ID to track
the license) so you can continue use after 30 days, just how is Start8
"better"? Yes, Start8 can display both Metro (Windows store) apps along
with desktop apps but does that one dubious feature (since we're
discussing how NOT to show the Metro UI) really make Start8 better than
Classic Shell?

It looks like Start8 ($5) is Stardock's means to lure those users to
their Object Desktop ($50). Are there ANY ads, promos, or upgrades
mentioned anywhere in an installation of Start8 or during its
installation? To get Start8 has them harvest a valid e-mail address
from you; however, it is a bogus requirement because their e-mail sends
you to CNet (http://download.cnet.com/Start8/3000...75732532.html).
I suggest using a temporary or disposable account or use an alias that
self-terminates or you can kill/disable/delete.

Download page (also compares features of Start8 and Object Desktop):
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/download.asp

Replacing the Windows shell is nothing new. That ability has been
available for a long time (I believe since Windows 3.1). It's just
getting more press now because of all the discontent voiced by desktop
users with Microsoft's choice of overlaying a mobile-centric GUI onto a
desktop installation. There was noise about the GUI changes in Vista
from long-time XP users. There was noise about XP for the GUI changes
from 2000, and so on. Microsoft has used the ploy of changing the GUI
to deliberately mislead users into believing the next version was a
major change to convince users to buy. It was new because, um, it was
different and being different means a software author can list those
changes to prod new sales. New doesn't mean better. New often just
means different. If Microsoft had used the same GUI as XP in all
successive versions of Windows, there would be nothing to spur users
into buying Vista (which had poor sales, anyway) or 7 or 8. Yes, there
were feature changes and few improvements (along with additional
confusion due to the GUI change) but users would have already acquired
3rd party software to accomplish those same changes by the time the next
Windows version emerged. The major technological changes in each
version don't have enough draw to pull in significant sales in the
consumer market since the existing version already in use is satisfying
those users' needs. Shorter boot time by modifying hibernation to
include saving the state of core OS processes to disk instead of
restarting them isn't going to induce users to pay for the OS upgrade.
A shortening of 5-10 seconds in boot time which is insignificant
compared to the entire boot time (post, load Windows, load all startup
programs) will not effect huge sales. Not all users want to buy another
hardware platform to keep up with the ever increasing hardware
requirements with each subsequent version of Windows so you need to
provide some other oomph factor, even if bogus or trivial, as an impetus
for users to change. Users would prefer to spend their money on faster,
bigger, or more hardware than on the behind-the-scenes technical
improvements in a newer OS version. Slapping on a new GUI is the best
marketing trick to convince consumers that something is new and that
they must have because, gee, using an old staid but stable and
well-known GUI just ain't cool.

In the long past, the default shell was explorer.exe (Windows Explorer).
You could change the shell by:

1. Load regedit.exe.
2. To replace the graphical user interface (GUI):
a) For all users, go to:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon
a) For just one user, go to:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon
and under there add a data item of string type named Shell.
3. Change the Shell data item:
from: explorer.exe
to : the path to the executable file for the replacement shell
4. Log out and back in.

Another scheme for replacing the desktop manager is using policies.
This is mostly used in corporate environments to force all workstations
to use the same GUI as they have no interest in wasting the resources of
their IT or helpdesk staff to support a non-standard shell. To change
the windows shell via per-user policies (this is from the viewpoint of
changing your own local policies and not how you push them from your
server onto your workstations):

1. Load gpedit.msc (group policy editor, not available in Home Edition).
2. In the tree node list, go to:
User Configuration - Admin Templates - System
3. In the right pane, look for:
Custom user interface
4. Double-click (or right-click and select Properties) on that setting.
5. "Not configured" (default) or "Disabled" which means the GUI defined
by the above Shell registry key/s is used.
6. "Enabled" lets you specify an alternative shell.

For those using the alternative Win8 shells, is/are this registry key/s
still pointing at explorer.exe or at the new (replacement) shell?
What's the setting for the "Custom user interface" policy? My guess is
that they are still employing the old method of modifying the registry
to have Windows load a different GUI app.

A problem in the past is that upgrading Windows meant its installer
replaced these registry keys so you were back to Windows Explorer as the
desktop manager. The upgrade would replace those registry keys. If
you're in a corporate environment, policies might enforce which Windows
shell you use plus you're probably not allowed to change software setup
on their property. Oops, Start8 isn't usable at $5 for business use
(you have to buy a different license) so policy override would only
apply to Classic Shell and other shell replacements.

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 13:04:03 -0500, "SC Tom" wrote:



"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:19:24 -0600, philo wrote:

On 12/27/2012 08:35 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Evgenii Sputnik typed:
Hello Windows8users!

I recently installed Windows 8, found it useless.
And removed.

But then I heard of Start8 for Windows8.

I installed it.... and found Windows 8 works!
(Exactly like Windows 7 worked but even faster!)

Google "Start8" or follow my link
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/, newsgrouper!

Start8 gets back normal Windows 7 on Windows 8.

NEW KERNEL - CLASSICAL INTERFACE! MUST HAVE FOR EVERYONE!

(Unless you are fan of Windows 8 interface....)

Yes many people do. Also others like Classic Shell, Aston Shell, etc.
are also used. Especially among those that doesn't know how to work the
Start Screen yet. Myself, some machines I do and some machines I don't.
;-)



I'm sure "Start8" is good, but I'd probably use one of the free
alternatives


Classic Shell, one of the free alternatives, is also good. But Start8
is even better. And for only $4.99...

I like this freebie:
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/157302-windows-7-explorer-for-windows-8/

Been using it since day 3 or so :-)


Yes, but Explorer is a different thing from the task bar, which is
what we were talking about.

--
Ken Blake

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 13:30:58 -0500, Nil
wrote:

On 27 Dec 2012, Ken Blake wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Classic Shell, one of the free alternatives, is also good. But
Start8 is even better. And for only $4.99...

What do you like better about it?


It's been long enough that I don't remember all the differences, but
in general Start8's task bar and Start orb menu is much closer to
Windows 7's than Classic Shell's is.




--
Ken Blake

In ,
VanguardLH typed:
"Ken Blake" wrote:

Classic Shell, one of the free alternatives, is also good. But Start8
is even better. And for only $4.99...

Better how? Besides just putzing with the Start menu and skipping
directly to the desktop, Classic Shell includes a Classic Explorer
plug-in that eliminates some of the gimmickry and replaces lost
functionality in Windows Explorer. They also have their Classic IE9
plug-in. It looks like Stardock is using Classic Shell as the base
against which to measure their product. When Classic Shell had a Win7
start menu skin, Stardock had to catch up to add it; however, Start8's
implementation is a bit better as Classic Shell doesn't permit app
pinning (yet if that were really a highly popular and desired feature
and since Classic Shell is open source then if lots of users wanted
pinning then the feature could be added - so it looks like pinning
isn't really that important or prevalent). While Classic Shell was
available for Vista & 7, Start8 is the new boy and only available for
Win8 hence the "8" in its product name. Classic Shell has had 3 years
to mature and it encompasses more Windows versions than just Windows
8. If you have a mix of Windows platforms, Classic Shell lets you have
that same GUI on all of them. Not Start8 (all of 5 months old) which
will puke with a "minimum system requirements were not met" error if
you attempt installation on a pre-Win8 host. System requirements:

Classic Shell:
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8
Windows Server 2008
Windows Server 2008 R2
Windows Server 2012
Start8:
Windows 8
Windows Server 2012

I've read where users ran into flaky problems with Start8. It is,
after all, the new boy on the block. Users could run Notepad from the
Recent list in the Start menu but the history shortcut to Word locked
up that app. Users have also complained about the activation process
which requires online (Internet) access as it sometimes doesn't work.
It is not just going online to validate but also sending them a
machine SID, computer name, IP, and other info specific to your host.
In other words, they've resorted to Microsoft's scheme of generating a
platform ID to validate a license for activation on one host. If you
read the EULA for Start8, it says the license cannot be used on more
than one computer. If you have N hosts where you want an alternative
desktop manager, you'll have to *buy* N licenses (at $5) to get the
same GUI on each of your N hosts. With Classic Shell, you can install
it on as many hosts as you want. Start8 is for personal-use
(non-business use) only. Classic Shell is distributed under the
MIT/X11 license so it can be used on any number of hosts regardless if
for personal or business use.

So, after buying 1 license that you get to use on only 1 computer,
where it ONLY works on Windows 8 obviating the ability to have a
common GUI across different versions of Windows, having to divulge a
valid e-mail address to get their download link (which is bogus - see
below), and having to perform online activation (to provide a platform
ID to track the license) so you can continue use after 30 days, just
how is Start8 "better"? Yes, Start8 can display both Metro (Windows
store) apps along with desktop apps but does that one dubious feature
(since we're discussing how NOT to show the Metro UI) really make
Start8 better than Classic Shell?

It looks like Start8 ($5) is Stardock's means to lure those users to
their Object Desktop ($50). Are there ANY ads, promos, or upgrades
mentioned anywhere in an installation of Start8 or during its
installation? To get Start8 has them harvest a valid e-mail address
from you; however, it is a bogus requirement because their e-mail
sends you to CNet
(http://download.cnet.com/Start8/3000...75732532.html).
I suggest using a temporary or disposable account or use an alias that
self-terminates or you can kill/disable/delete.

Download page (also compares features of Start8 and Object Desktop):
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/download.asp

Replacing the Windows shell is nothing new. That ability has been
available for a long time (I believe since Windows 3.1). It's just
getting more press now because of all the discontent voiced by desktop
users with Microsoft's choice of overlaying a mobile-centric GUI onto
a desktop installation. There was noise about the GUI changes in Vista
from long-time XP users. There was noise about XP for the GUI changes
from 2000, and so on. Microsoft has used the ploy of changing the GUI
to deliberately mislead users into believing the next version was a
major change to convince users to buy. It was new because, um, it was
different and being different means a software author can list those
changes to prod new sales. New doesn't mean better. New often just
means different. If Microsoft had used the same GUI as XP in all
successive versions of Windows, there would be nothing to spur users
into buying Vista (which had poor sales, anyway) or 7 or 8. Yes, there
were feature changes and few improvements (along with additional
confusion due to the GUI change) but users would have already acquired
3rd party software to accomplish those same changes by the time the
next Windows version emerged. The major technological changes in each
version don't have enough draw to pull in significant sales in the
consumer market since the existing version already in use is
satisfying those users' needs. Shorter boot time by modifying
hibernation to include saving the state of core OS processes to disk
instead of restarting them isn't going to induce users to pay for the
OS upgrade. A shortening of 5-10 seconds in boot time which is
insignificant compared to the entire boot time (post, load Windows,
load all startup programs) will not effect huge sales. Not all users
want to buy another hardware platform to keep up with the ever
increasing hardware requirements with each subsequent version of
Windows so you need to provide some other oomph factor, even if bogus
or trivial, as an impetus for users to change. Users would prefer to
spend their money on faster, bigger, or more hardware than on the
behind-the-scenes technical improvements in a newer OS version.
Slapping on a new GUI is the best marketing trick to convince
consumers that something is new and that they must have because, gee,
using an old staid but stable and well-known GUI just ain't cool.

In the long past, the default shell was explorer.exe (Windows
Explorer).
You could change the shell by:

1. Load regedit.exe.
2. To replace the graphical user interface (GUI):
a) For all users, go to:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon a) For just one user, go to:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon and under there add a data item of
string type named Shell.
3. Change the Shell data item:
from: explorer.exe
to : the path to the executable file for the replacement shell
4. Log out and back in.

Another scheme for replacing the desktop manager is using policies.
This is mostly used in corporate environments to force all
workstations to use the same GUI as they have no interest in wasting
the resources of their IT or helpdesk staff to support a non-standard
shell. To change the windows shell via per-user policies (this is
from the viewpoint of changing your own local policies and not how you
push them from your server onto your workstations):

1. Load gpedit.msc (group policy editor, not available in Home
Edition).
2. In the tree node list, go to:
User Configuration - Admin Templates - System
3. In the right pane, look for:
Custom user interface
4. Double-click (or right-click and select Properties) on that
setting.
5. "Not configured" (default) or "Disabled" which means the GUI
defined
by the above Shell registry key/s is used.
6. "Enabled" lets you specify an alternative shell.

For those using the alternative Win8 shells, is/are this registry
key/s still pointing at explorer.exe or at the new (replacement)
shell? What's the setting for the "Custom user interface" policy? My
guess is that they are still employing the old method of modifying the
registry to have Windows load a different GUI app.

A problem in the past is that upgrading Windows meant its installer
replaced these registry keys so you were back to Windows Explorer as
the desktop manager. The upgrade would replace those registry keys. If
you're in a corporate environment, policies might enforce which
Windows shell you use plus you're probably not allowed to change
software setup on their property. Oops, Start8 isn't usable at $5 for
business use (you have to buy a different license) so policy override
would only apply to Classic Shell and other shell replacements.

Wow! I am super impressed! Super job! ;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

On 12/27/2012 04:28 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

Long post , so I've snipped
rdock.com/products/start8/download.asp

Replacing the Windows shell is nothing new. That ability has been
available for a long time (I believe since Windows 3.1).

There was an after-market shell called Calmira which gave win3x
the win9x gui

X

For those using the alternative Win8 shells, is/are this registry key/s
still pointing at explorer.exe or at the new (replacement) shell?
What's the setting for the "Custom user interface" policy? My guess is
that they are still employing the old method of modifying the registry
to have Windows load a different GUI app.


I tried developer version of Win8 and there was *simple* registry hack
to get rid of Metro. I was told by the users of Win8 that the registry
hack has been eliminated for the final version...so a 3rd party utility
is needed.

A problem in the past is that upgrading Windows meant its installer
replaced these registry keys so you were back to Windows Explorer as the
desktop manager. The upgrade would replace those registry keys. If
you're in a corporate environment, policies might enforce which Windows
shell you use plus you're probably not allowed to change software setup
on their property. Oops, Start8 isn't usable at $5 for business use
(you have to buy a different license) so policy override would only
apply to Classic Shell and other shell replacements.



--
https://www.createspace.com/3707686

In ,
philo typed:
On 12/27/2012 04:28 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
There was an after-market shell called Calmira which gave win3x
the win9x gui

Wow really? Here I used Command.com as the shell way back then. I never
heard of Calmira. That sounds really nice. I wish I had known this. :-(

I tried developer version of Win8 and there was *simple* registry hack
to get rid of Metro. I was told by the users of Win8 that the registry
hack has been eliminated for the final version...so a 3rd party
utility is needed.

The final version got rid of a lot of things. Even gadgets are no more
without hacks copied from preview versions. Although booting to the
desktop doesn't bother me much since I rarely boot (I use Standby and
Hibernation mostly which goes where you left it last -- the desktop of
course). Although when I do boot, going straight to the desktop isn't
all that useful. As Windows still needs more time to load all of the
background tasks and such. So at the Start Screen you really can't do
much until the hard drive stops reading like crazy. Or you could be
staring at the desktop, either or what difference does it make?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 13:04:03 -0500, "SC Tom" wrote:



"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:19:24 -0600, philo wrote:

On 12/27/2012 08:35 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Evgenii Sputnik typed:
Hello Windows8users!

I recently installed Windows 8, found it useless.
And removed.

But then I heard of Start8 for Windows8.

I installed it.... and found Windows 8 works!
(Exactly like Windows 7 worked but even faster!)

Google "Start8" or follow my link
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/, newsgrouper!

Start8 gets back normal Windows 7 on Windows 8.

NEW KERNEL - CLASSICAL INTERFACE! MUST HAVE FOR EVERYONE!

(Unless you are fan of Windows 8 interface....)

Yes many people do. Also others like Classic Shell, Aston Shell,
etc.
are also used. Especially among those that doesn't know how to work
the
Start Screen yet. Myself, some machines I do and some machines I
don't.
;-)



I'm sure "Start8" is good, but I'd probably use one of the free
alternatives


Classic Shell, one of the free alternatives, is also good. But Start8
is even better. And for only $4.99...

I like this freebie:
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/157302-windows-7-explorer-for-windows-8/

Been using it since day 3 or so :-)


Yes, but Explorer is a different thing from the task bar, which is
what we were talking about.

But it adds the Start menu and button to the task bar, but with a more
similar interface than Classic Shell or Start8 (and it's free).
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SC Tom