W8 windows aren't just ugly, they're warped

I just noticed something very odd about my windows. The upper right
hand corner buttons (minimize, restore, and close) are set in the
wrong place when the window is normal (visible but not maximized).
Those three buttons should be within the window border when the
window is not maximized. As it is, they touch the outline of the
window. That's just sloppy, really sloppy. And various errors are
happening when I'm trying to work with the appearance of the GUI. I
wonder what Microsoft programmers are doing besides raking in their
monopoly money. Actually, it's like more of the status quo, but still
amazing that it can be that bad.

I shouldn't just blame it on the programmers since it's probably more
management's fault.

In article , lid says...

I just noticed something very odd about my windows. The upper right
hand corner buttons (minimize, restore, and close) are set in the
wrong place when the window is normal (visible but not maximized).
Those three buttons should be within the window border when the
window is not maximized. As it is, they touch the outline of the
window. That's just sloppy, really sloppy. And various errors are
happening when I'm trying to work with the appearance of the GUI. I
wonder what Microsoft programmers are doing besides raking in their
monopoly money. Actually, it's like more of the status quo, but still
amazing that it can be that bad.

Perhaps you have chosen to high a percentage on Control Panel - Display -
change size of all items.

FD

FD fd yahoo.com wrote:

jdoe usenetlove.invalid says...

I just noticed something very odd about my windows. The upper right
hand corner buttons (minimize, restore, and close) are set in the
wrong place when the window is normal (visible but not maximized).
Those three buttons should be within the window border when the
window is not maximized. As it is, they touch the outline of the
window. That's just sloppy, really sloppy. And various errors are
happening when I'm trying to work with the appearance of the GUI. I
wonder what Microsoft programmers are doing besides raking in their
monopoly money. Actually, it's like more of the status quo, but still
amazing that it can be that bad.

Perhaps you have chosen to high a percentage on Control Panel - Display -
change size of all items.

Feel free to provide a link to a picture of what you think is correct.

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FD


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John Doe wrote:
Feel free to provide a link to a picture of what you think is correct.

Those buttons should be placed just like in Windows 7, unless you're using
a program that has its own skin and not the standard Windows skin. I don't
know. May be you shows us the screenshot instead?

JJ jaejunks nah.meh wrote:

John Doe jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote:
FD fd yahoo.com wrote:
jdoe usenetlove.invalid says...

I just noticed something very odd about my windows. The upper
right hand corner buttons (minimize, restore, and close) are
set in the wrong place when the window is normal (visible but
not maximized). Those three buttons should be within the
window border when the window is not maximized. As it is,
they touch the outline of the window. That's just sloppy,
really sloppy. And various errors are happening when I'm
trying to work with the appearance of the GUI. I wonder what
Microsoft programmers are doing besides raking in their
monopoly money. Actually, it's like more of the status quo,
but still amazing that it can be that bad.

Perhaps you have chosen to high a percentage on Control Panel
- Display - change size of all items.

Feel free to provide a link to a picture of what you think is
correct.

Those buttons should be placed just like in Windows 7,

Are you saying that an inconsistent window border existed since
before Windows 8? I had some trouble finding a screenshot. Perhaps
you could provide a Windows 7 screenshot that shows a
substantial/wide window border, with those three buttons
interrupting the Window border instead of being where they are
supposed to be inside of that border. This is amusing. That junk
certainly wasn't the case until at least after Windows XP.

Regardless of when it happened after Windows XP, it looks horrible
and it gets in the way of window resizing. Why on Earth did
Microsoft put those buttons touching the window outline instead of
putting them inside of the border, so that the window can be
resized in that area as well as in any other area? You might notice
that underneath those buttons is blank space...

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unless you're using a program that has its own skin and not the
standard Windows skin. I don't know. May be you shows us the
screenshot instead?

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John Doe wrote:
Are you saying that an inconsistent window border existed since
before Windows 8? I had some trouble finding a screenshot. Perhaps
you could provide a Windows 7 screenshot that shows a
substantial/wide window border, with those three buttons
interrupting the Window border instead of being where they are
supposed to be inside of that border. This is amusing. That junk
certainly wasn't the case until at least after Windows XP.

Regardless of when it happened after Windows XP, it looks horrible
and it gets in the way of window resizing. Why on Earth did
Microsoft put those buttons touching the window outline instead of
putting them inside of the border, so that the window can be
resized in that area as well as in any other area? You might notice
that underneath those buttons is blank space...

The only change is that those button fill up to the edge of the upper
border. Resizing the window using the border on that area will be
difficuly as you'll likely to click on either the Minimize,
Maximize/Restore or the Close button accidentally. But the up-right
corner still has enough gap for resizing the window. Those button
placement may not be the best one, but it dosn't make the buttons looks
out of place either. AFAIK, they're like the Vista buttons on Aero mode.

JJ jaejunks nah.meh wrote:

John Doe jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote:

Are you saying that an inconsistent window border existed since
before Windows 8? I had some trouble finding a screenshot.
Perhaps you could provide a Windows 7 screenshot that shows a
substantial/wide window border, with those three buttons
interrupting the Window border instead of being where they are
supposed to be inside of that border. This is amusing. That
junk certainly wasn't the case until at least after Windows XP.

Regardless of when it happened after Windows XP, it looks
horrible and it gets in the way of window resizing. Why on
Earth did Microsoft put those buttons touching the window
outline instead of putting them inside of the border, so that
the window can be resized in that area as well as in any other
area? You might notice that underneath those buttons is blank
space...

The only change is that those button fill up to the edge of the
upper border.

Not really. They don't fill up to the edge, they were moved up to
the edge. If they were enlarged, it might make some sense, even
though it would still be odd.

Resizing the window using the border on that area will be
difficuly

Yes, exactly, it makes the border inconsistent. For what purpose?

as you'll likely to click on either the Minimize,
Maximize/Restore or the Close button accidentally.

Apparently, there is no border whatsoever.

But the up-right corner still has enough gap for resizing the
window.

Yeah, I guess...

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Those button
placement may not be the best one, but it dosn't make the buttons looks
out of place either. AFAIK, they're like the Vista buttons on Aero mode.



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John Doe wrote:
Resizing the window using the border on that area will be
difficuly

Yes, exactly, it makes the border inconsistent. For what purpose?

Easier access to windowing control buttons since they would be too small
on higher resolution screen. The buttons do get a bit larger compared to
non Aero UI.

as you'll likely to click on either the Minimize,
Maximize/Restore or the Close button accidentally.

Apparently, there is no border whatsoever.

Visually, no. But it's still there. If the window is resizeable, the
mouse cursor will change as it hover on the very edge of the window on
those buttons upper area.

But the up-right corner still has enough gap for resizing the
window.

Yeah, I guess...

Regardless, the gap on the corner is still a bit too small, at least for
me. Always had to be careful when reszing from upper right. Even on
1024x768 screen.

JJ jaejunks nah.meh wrote:

John Doe jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote:
JJ jaejunks nah.meh wrote:

as you'll likely to click on either the Minimize,
Maximize/Restore or the Close button accidentally.

Apparently, there is no border whatsoever.

Visually, no. But it's still there.

One pixel on a 1920 x 1200 display is too precise for me.

If I'm not mistaken, people complain about not having the Aero
feature in Windows 8. But we do get the worst of it.

"John Doe" wrote in message ...
One pixel on a 1920 x 1200 display is too precise for me.

If I'm not mistaken, people complain about not having the Aero
feature in Windows 8. But we do get the worst of it.


The approach is the same on Vista/Win7. The icons (min, max, close) touch the window outline
- i.e. no space above and moved up to the border vs. XP

Also consistent to a certain extent across Vista/Win7/Win8
- each icon has a pronounced color change/highlight when selected

While it may present difficulty for some to adapt the same border touching approach has been the same for at least 6 yrs.
Vista - http://blog.paulgu.com/windows/windo...late-in-vista/
- Win7 is the same as Vista

The extra space between the icons and the window border (in XP) serves about the same purpose as the space below it in XP and all
later o/s
- the ability to incorrectly click on something directly below it...but after use and adaption - basically nothing.

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msft mvp