Not the only one here

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 06:47:57 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:33:20 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

But, at least in many cases, when you hear someone saying "should of"
or "must of" that isn't what they are really saying. They are saying a
contraction, "should've" or "must've." And that's not as much an error
as it seems to be.

It is when they *type* "should of" in emails and technical reports.



Of course. But they are typing what they think they hear,

Which is more or less the point I was trying to make earlier. If they
learnt their language not just by hearing it but also by reading it,
this wouldn't happen.


Understood.

Hi, PAS.

I don't drink cawfee...

Here in Texas, too, there is no "r" in our "coffee". ;)

RC
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San Marcos, TX

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Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro with Media
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"PAS" wrote in message ...

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...

Both in the USA and the UK, some people who speak English are rhotic
(lords) and some are non-rhotic (lawds). In the USA, generally people
on most parts of the east coast are non-rhotic (for example, it's easy
to recognize New Yorkers because they say "New Yawk"), but the rest of
the country is mostly rhotic. Parts of the UK are also non-rhotic, but
you probably know where they are much better than I do.

I learned something new today: I'm non-rhotic, I was not aware of that
term. As a New Yawka, that's how I tawk. I don't drink cawfee and I
have three dawgs.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:36:29 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:

Hi, PAS.

I don't drink cawfee...

Here in Texas, too, there is no "r" in our "coffee". ;)


LOL!

"R. C. White" wrote in message
...
Hi, PAS.

I don't drink cawfee...

Here in Texas, too, there is no "r" in our "coffee". ;)

LOL!

Many of us pronounce "our" as "are". The real problem is that a lot of
people write it that way too.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:36:29 -0500, R. C. White wrote:

Hi, PAS.

I don't drink cawfee...

Here in Texas, too, there is no "r" in our "coffee". ;)

RC

I also take mine black, no sugar.

Of course, the pronunciations of talk, coffee, & dog have nothing to do
with rhoticity[1].

[1] Or is the correct word "rhotation"?

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 06:47:57 +0100, Roderick Stewart wrote:

On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:33:20 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

But, at least in many cases, when you hear someone saying "should of"
or "must of" that isn't what they are really saying. They are saying a
contraction, "should've" or "must've." And that's not as much an error
as it seems to be.

It is when they *type* "should of" in emails and technical reports.



Of course. But they are typing what they think they hear,

Which is more or less the point I was trying to make earlier. If they
learnt their language not just by hearing it but also by reading it,
this wouldn't happen.

Rod.

You *are* an optimist :-)

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:14:32 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:36:29 -0500, R. C. White wrote:

Hi, PAS.

I don't drink cawfee...

Here in Texas, too, there is no "r" in our "coffee". ;)

RC

I also take mine black, no sugar.

Of course, the pronunciations of talk, coffee, & dog have nothing to do
with rhoticity[1].


Of course not. But RC knew that. g

While we're on the subject of rhoticity, let me also mention the
"intrusive r," used by many non-rhotic speakers. For example they say
"the idear is ..." instead of "the idea is ...," so they don't have to
say two vowels in a row.

Hi, Ken.

I'm learning some new terms today, perfesser. ;)

Like "rhoticity" and now the "intrusive r" - which I heard a lot growing up
in words like "winder". I've heard "idear", and I've often heard "idee" -
with the accent on the first syllable.

But a lot of the Oklahoma colloquialisms and regional pronunciations I heard
as a young boy had pretty much faded away by the time I became an adult. It
was mostly just a matter of time and education, but movies, radio - and then
TV - had a very large influence. Also, as I've mentioned before, our "Okie"
experiences - my family lived in California four separate times before I
finished grade school, and some of my cousins settled there and brought
their West Coast lingo back to us when they vacationed in Oklahoma -
produced a lot of cross-fertilization of our dialects. They laughed when we
worried they might "git drownded" in the creek (which they called a "crick")
and we were tickled when they reported a "heifer pig" running loose. When I
was in college at OU (The University of Oklahoma), a stranger I chatted with
on the street one days asked where I was from because I didn't talk like the
locals.

I didn't learn until I went to school that there is no "b" in "fambly", and
neither "b" nor "l" in "chimbley". ;)

As to rhoticity, I've been wondering why some of our English words that have
the "rh" combination precede that pair with another "r": hemorrhage and
diarrhea come quickly to mind.

RC
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R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro with Media
Center


"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:14:32 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:36:29 -0500, R. C. White wrote:

Hi, PAS.

I don't drink cawfee...

Here in Texas, too, there is no "r" in our "coffee". ;)

RC

I also take mine black, no sugar.

Of course, the pronunciations of talk, coffee, & dog have nothing to do
with rhoticity[1].


Of course not. But RC knew that. g

While we're on the subject of rhoticity, let me also mention the
"intrusive r," used by many non-rhotic speakers. For example they say
"the idear is ..." instead of "the idea is ...," so they don't have to
say two vowels in a row.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:42:56 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:14:32 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:36:29 -0500, R. C. White wrote:

Hi, PAS.

I don't drink cawfee...

Here in Texas, too, there is no "r" in our "coffee". ;)

RC

I also take mine black, no sugar.

Of course, the pronunciations of talk, coffee, & dog have nothing to do
with rhoticity[1].

Of course not. But RC knew that. g

I was referring to PAS's remarks...

While we're on the subject of rhoticity, let me also mention the
"intrusive r," used by many non-rhotic speakers. For example they say
"the idear is ..." instead of "the idea is ...," so they don't have to
say two vowels in a row.

And in Boston & environs, that R intrudes even when there's not a vowel
following, as in JFK famously saying Cuber.

I once had a wife (isn't that a song?) who had been a high-school math
teacher in a Boston suburb. She's rhotic (does that make her a
rhotifer?), but she had to learn to say 'for' as one syllable and 'four'
as two (foh-wer). The students' dialect pronounced them as 'faw' and
'foh-wah', and saying the second as only one syllable confounded them.
The R didn't bother them, however. They probably didn't hear it...

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On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:42:56 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:14:32 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:36:29 -0500, R. C. White wrote:

Hi, PAS.

I don't drink cawfee...

Here in Texas, too, there is no "r" in our "coffee". ;)

RC

I also take mine black, no sugar.

Of course, the pronunciations of talk, coffee, & dog have nothing to do
with rhoticity[1].


Of course not. But RC knew that. g

While we're on the subject of rhoticity, let me also mention the
"intrusive r," used by many non-rhotic speakers. For example they say
"the idear is ..." instead of "the idea is ...," so they don't have to
say two vowels in a row.

As much as "idear" grates on me, I think I'm equally offended by "ideal"
when what a person really means to say is "idea". Maybe that was only my
ex-spouse...

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:47:21 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:

As to rhoticity, I've been wondering why some of our English words that have
the "rh" combination precede that pair with another "r": hemorrhage and
diarrhea come quickly to mind.


But not rrhoticity. I also don't got rrhythym. g

Good question. I don't know. If you find out, let me know

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:47:21 -0500, R. C. White wrote:

Hi, Ken.

I'm learning some new terms today, perfesser. ;)

Like "rhoticity" and now the "intrusive r" - which I heard a lot growing up
in words like "winder". I've heard "idear", and I've often heard "idee" -
with the accent on the first syllable.

But a lot of the Oklahoma colloquialisms and regional pronunciations I heard
as a young boy had pretty much faded away by the time I became an adult. It
was mostly just a matter of time and education, but movies, radio - and then
TV - had a very large influence. Also, as I've mentioned before, our "Okie"
experiences - my family lived in California four separate times before I
finished grade school, and some of my cousins settled there and brought
their West Coast lingo back to us when they vacationed in Oklahoma -
produced a lot of cross-fertilization of our dialects. They laughed when we
worried they might "git drownded" in the creek (which they called a "crick")
and we were tickled when they reported a "heifer pig" running loose. When I
was in college at OU (The University of Oklahoma), a stranger I chatted with
on the street one days asked where I was from because I didn't talk like the
locals.

I didn't learn until I went to school that there is no "b" in "fambly", and
neither "b" nor "l" in "chimbley". ;)

As to rhoticity, I've been wondering why some of our English words that have
the "rh" combination precede that pair with another "r": hemorrhage and
diarrhea come quickly to mind.

RC

The last is a transliteration of the Greek.

Apparently they did something, at least in writing, like the Spanish
trick of doubling the r in a compound word where the second word starts
with an r, as portorriqueño, from Puerto Rico. This represents the
multiple trill of the initial r in Spanish.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:51:26 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:


And in Boston & environs, that R intrudes even when there's not a vowel
following, as in JFK famously saying Cuber.


Soon he was at Miamer Beach?


I once had a wife (isn't that a song?) who had been a high-school math
teacher in a Boston suburb. She's rhotic (does that make her a
rhotifer?), but she had to learn to say 'for' as one syllable and 'four'
as two (foh-wer).


Ugh!

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:56:05 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:


As much as "idear" grates on me, I think I'm equally offended by "ideal"
when what a person really means to say is "idea". Maybe that was only my
ex-spouse...


I don't think I've ever heard that, but I remember my mother-in-law,
who said "idee."

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 15:08:11 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:51:26 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

And in Boston & environs, that R intrudes even when there's not a vowel
following, as in JFK famously saying Cuber.

Soon he was at Miamer Beach?

Never. It's schwas, not 'ee' sounds, that get that.

Oh, never mind - you probably say "Miamuh', where I say 'Miamee', as did
JFK, since he was from Boston, not OKC.

I once had a wife (isn't that a song?) who had been a high-school math
teacher in a Boston suburb. She's rhotic (does that make her a
rhotifer?), but she had to learn to say 'for' as one syllable and 'four'
as two (foh-wer).

Ugh!

But those kids might have hated your accent - and mine too - it's all
relative.

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)