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On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:05:12 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

So IMO you needn't worry too much :-)

I'm still trying to get over calling them disks. :-)
To me, they are optical discs. A disk is a different animal.

I prefer the 'k', but others make the distinction discussed here
earlier, including my in-person friends, so I don't insist on it.

Heck, I couldn't get away with that if I tried, especially here :-)

Yes, I know that some people's casual speech is sometimes more casual than
mine, and I'm ok with that.

I'm inconsistent. I will get on people's cases for some things, and will
be (knowingly or otherwise) careless in others.

Prescriptive or descriptive. Prescriptive or descriptive. Prescriptive
or descriptive. Prescriptive or descriptive. Prescriptive or
descriptive. Prescriptive or descriptive.

I waver (I also read Zippy the Pinhead).

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:05:12 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:54:57 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

In casual communications, plenty of people say "CD" as a generic term
for an optical disk.

In casual communications, plenty of people say "DVD" as a generic term
for an optical disk.

In casual communications, plenty of people say "CD or DVD" as a generic
term for an optical disk.

In casual communications, plenty of people say "optical disk" as a
generic term for an optical disk.

In casual communications, plenty of people use the correct term for the
particular optical disk they are talking about.

So IMO you needn't worry too much :-)

I'm still trying to get over calling them disks. :-)
To me, they are optical discs. A disk is a different animal.


I don't mind if someone calls them "disks," but I do mind if someone
calls them "disks" and expects me to know what kind of disk he's
talking about. They are disks, but they are only one of several types
of disks.

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:54:57 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

In casual communications, plenty of people say "CD" as a generic term
for an optical disk.


Several months ago, my wife asked me to buy a CD of "Porgy and Bess"
from Amazon.com.


So I did. When it arrived, she was very disappointed and gave me a
hard time for buying the wrong thing, since what she wanted was a DVD.
She wanted to see it, not just listen to it.

She has never even listened to it. It's still sitting on the table,
where she left it, untouched.

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:38:49 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:54:57 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

In casual communications, plenty of people say "CD" as a generic term
for an optical disk.

Several months ago, my wife asked me to buy a CD of "Porgy and Bess"
from Amazon.com.

So I did. When it arrived, she was very disappointed and gave me a
hard time for buying the wrong thing, since what she wanted was a DVD.
She wanted to see it, not just listen to it.

She has never even listened to it. It's still sitting on the table,
where she left it, untouched.

That's a great counterexample to my remark (clipped above):

"So IMO you needn't worry too much"

Version 1.1: So IMO you needn't worry too much unless there's a chance
of misunderstanding.

That still needs a bit of work, but it's a definite improvement over
Version 1.0.

OK:

Version 1.2: So IMO you needn't worry too much unless misunderstanding
could cause a problem.

It's clearly time to form a committee to work out the best formulation
of the above lemma.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:32:26 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:05:12 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:54:57 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

In casual communications, plenty of people say "CD" as a generic term
for an optical disk.

In casual communications, plenty of people say "DVD" as a generic term
for an optical disk.

In casual communications, plenty of people say "CD or DVD" as a generic
term for an optical disk.

In casual communications, plenty of people say "optical disk" as a
generic term for an optical disk.

In casual communications, plenty of people use the correct term for the
particular optical disk they are talking about.

So IMO you needn't worry too much :-)

I'm still trying to get over calling them disks. :-)
To me, they are optical discs. A disk is a different animal.


I don't mind if someone calls them "disks," but I do mind if someone
calls them "disks" and expects me to know what kind of disk he's
talking about. They are disks, but they are only one of several types
of disks.

I agree, and also note that these "disks" are not at all the same as
those "disks" farmers use to till their fields. ;-) Gordon

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:49:22 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:38:49 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:54:57 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

In casual communications, plenty of people say "CD" as a generic term
for an optical disk.

Several months ago, my wife asked me to buy a CD of "Porgy and Bess"
from Amazon.com.

So I did. When it arrived, she was very disappointed and gave me a
hard time for buying the wrong thing, since what she wanted was a DVD.
She wanted to see it, not just listen to it.

She has never even listened to it. It's still sitting on the table,
where she left it, untouched.

That's a great counterexample to my remark (clipped above):

"So IMO you needn't worry too much"

Version 1.1: So IMO you needn't worry too much unless there's a chance
of misunderstanding.

That still needs a bit of work, but it's a definite improvement over
Version 1.0.

OK:

Version 1.2: So IMO you needn't worry too much unless misunderstanding
could cause a problem.

It's clearly time to form a committee to work out the best formulation
of the above lemma.

LOL!

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:50:15 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Gordon wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 21:54:37 -0400, Paul wrote:

Gordon wrote:
I have an older desktop computer that had Windows XP on it but for
some reason it quit working. I did an install of Windows 8 Pro 64 Bit
from a CD that I had bought for my other two desktop computers. It
installed okay and the old computer works fine but I get this notice
that I must key in my Product Key. I have this product key on a card
in the Windows 8 CD package and keyed it in but got the message that
this Product Key was invalid.

What can I do to clear this up and get my new installation of Windows
8 Pro to settle down and get to work?

I thought when I bought this CD pack of Windows 8 Pro it was good for
installation on four computers but I guess I was wrong on this.

Gordon

It helps to know exactly what you bought. Was the item
from Ebay ? Or from a more conventional source ?

One user reports "this product key cannot be used with this version of windows",
but this product is an upgrade kit ("Pro Pack"). It's intended to take
a $119 product, add Pro/Media Center to it, for another $92. Whereas
Pro alone is $199. And adding Media Center to Pro might also have
been available at one time.

http://www.amazon.com/review/RHOI1WT...or e=software

If you wanted to curse out someone, it's the marketing people who think
up all these options. Without careful identification of what you
bought, it's anyone's guess at the symptoms.

And it's not unheard of for there to be a bug in activation,
and it's a real live defect in the product. But to rule that
out, start with positive identification of what the product is.

It comes on a DVD. Whether 32 bit (at 2.5GB) or 64 bit (at 3.5GB),
the contents are too large to fit on a CD. A single sided DVD
handles up to 4.7GB.

Paul

Okay, I was wrong in calling these CDs. They are labeled DVDs and
there is a note that says there is no requirement for a Key if
upgrading from a previous version of Windows. Gordon

Not possible. Win8 prompts for a product key prior to installation of
the Windows software.

I had no problem installing Windows 8 on my old computer after its XP
version went belly up, but after the installation was complete and the
new Windows 8 OS seemed to be working very well I got this pop-up that
asked for the Windows 8 Pro Product Key. When I typed this in it was
rejected as invalid. Gordon

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:58:58 -0500, Gordon wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:32:26 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:05:12 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:54:57 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

In casual communications, plenty of people say "CD" as a generic term
for an optical disk.

In casual communications, plenty of people say "DVD" as a generic term
for an optical disk.

In casual communications, plenty of people say "CD or DVD" as a generic
term for an optical disk.

In casual communications, plenty of people say "optical disk" as a
generic term for an optical disk.

In casual communications, plenty of people use the correct term for the
particular optical disk they are talking about.

So IMO you needn't worry too much :-)

I'm still trying to get over calling them disks. :-)
To me, they are optical discs. A disk is a different animal.


I don't mind if someone calls them "disks," but I do mind if someone
calls them "disks" and expects me to know what kind of disk he's
talking about. They are disks, but they are only one of several types
of disks.

I agree, and also note that these "disks" are not at all the same as
those "disks" farmers use to till their fields. ;-) Gordon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_harrow

If you're talking to a farmer and you say "disk harrow", or more commonly
just "disk", then there's no problem. But written out, it looks so obviously
wrong. It's a disc, just as a CD or DVD is a disc!

Disks are completely different, especially in the context of this group.

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:32:26 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:05:12 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:54:57 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

In casual communications, plenty of people say "CD" as a generic term
for an optical disk.

In casual communications, plenty of people say "DVD" as a generic term
for an optical disk.

In casual communications, plenty of people say "CD or DVD" as a generic
term for an optical disk.

In casual communications, plenty of people say "optical disk" as a
generic term for an optical disk.

In casual communications, plenty of people use the correct term for the
particular optical disk they are talking about.

So IMO you needn't worry too much :-)

I'm still trying to get over calling them disks. :-)
To me, they are optical discs. A disk is a different animal.


I don't mind if someone calls them "disks," but I do mind if someone
calls them "disks" and expects me to know what kind of disk he's
talking about. They are disks, but they are only one of several types
of disks.

I guess we're different in that regard. Disk and disc aren't at all
interchangeable to me. I see no overlap between them.

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:43:02 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:32:26 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

I'm still trying to get over calling them disks. :-)
To me, they are optical discs. A disk is a different animal.


I don't mind if someone calls them "disks," but I do mind if someone
calls them "disks" and expects me to know what kind of disk he's
talking about. They are disks, but they are only one of several types
of disks.

I guess we're different in that regard. Disk and disc aren't at all
interchangeable to me. I see no overlap between them.


I guess we are. To me, "disk" and "disc" are just two different
spellings of the same word, both legitimate.

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:56:22 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:43:02 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:32:26 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

I'm still trying to get over calling them disks. :-)
To me, they are optical discs. A disk is a different animal.


I don't mind if someone calls them "disks," but I do mind if someone
calls them "disks" and expects me to know what kind of disk he's
talking about. They are disks, but they are only one of several types
of disks.

I guess we're different in that regard. Disk and disc aren't at all
interchangeable to me. I see no overlap between them.


I guess we are. To me, "disk" and "disc" are just two different
spellings of the same word, both legitimate.

I may not be able to sleep tonight, knowing that someone on the Internet is
wrong. ;-)

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:00:28 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:56:22 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:43:02 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

I guess we're different in that regard. Disk and disc aren't at all
interchangeable to me. I see no overlap between them.


I guess we are. To me, "disk" and "disc" are just two different
spellings of the same word, both legitimate.

I may not be able to sleep tonight, knowing that someone on the Internet is
wrong. ;-)


g

Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:56:22 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:43:02 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:32:26 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

I'm still trying to get over calling them disks. :-)
To me, they are optical discs. A disk is a different animal.


I don't mind if someone calls them "disks," but I do mind if someone
calls them "disks" and expects me to know what kind of disk he's
talking about. They are disks, but they are only one of several types
of disks.

I guess we're different in that regard. Disk and disc aren't at all
interchangeable to me. I see no overlap between them.


I guess we are. To me, "disk" and "disc" are just two different
spellings of the same word, both legitimate.

I may not be able to sleep tonight, knowing that someone on the Internet is
wrong. ;-)


Iirc, we already covered the disk, drive, optical disc, optical disk to
determine who and what was correct.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:54:57 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

In casual communications, plenty of people say "CD" as a generic term
for an optical disk.


Several months ago, my wife asked me to buy a CD of "Porgy and Bess"
from Amazon.com.


So I did. When it arrived, she was very disappointed and gave me a
hard time for buying the wrong thing, since what she wanted was a DVD.
She wanted to see it, not just listen to it.

She has never even listened to it. It's still sitting on the table,
where she left it, untouched.

Amazon does have a return policy. In my house the purchaser owns the
return responsibility especially for screwing up. Next time have her
create and Amazon 'wish list' then all you have to do is click and
pay...and pay...and pay...


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Gordon wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:50:15 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Gordon wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 21:54:37 -0400, Paul wrote:

Gordon wrote:
I have an older desktop computer that had Windows XP on it but for
some reason it quit working. I did an install of Windows 8 Pro 64 Bit
from a CD that I had bought for my other two desktop computers. It
installed okay and the old computer works fine but I get this notice
that I must key in my Product Key. I have this product key on a card
in the Windows 8 CD package and keyed it in but got the message that
this Product Key was invalid.

What can I do to clear this up and get my new installation of Windows
8 Pro to settle down and get to work?

I thought when I bought this CD pack of Windows 8 Pro it was good for
installation on four computers but I guess I was wrong on this.

Gordon

It helps to know exactly what you bought. Was the item
from Ebay ? Or from a more conventional source ?

One user reports "this product key cannot be used with this version of windows",
but this product is an upgrade kit ("Pro Pack"). It's intended to take
a $119 product, add Pro/Media Center to it, for another $92. Whereas
Pro alone is $199. And adding Media Center to Pro might also have
been available at one time.

http://www.amazon.com/review/RHOI1WT...or e=software

If you wanted to curse out someone, it's the marketing people who think
up all these options. Without careful identification of what you
bought, it's anyone's guess at the symptoms.

And it's not unheard of for there to be a bug in activation,
and it's a real live defect in the product. But to rule that
out, start with positive identification of what the product is.

It comes on a DVD. Whether 32 bit (at 2.5GB) or 64 bit (at 3.5GB),
the contents are too large to fit on a CD. A single sided DVD
handles up to 4.7GB.

Paul

Okay, I was wrong in calling these CDs. They are labeled DVDs and
there is a note that says there is no requirement for a Key if
upgrading from a previous version of Windows. Gordon

Not possible. Win8 prompts for a product key prior to installation of
the Windows software.

I had no problem installing Windows 8 on my old computer after its XP
version went belly up, but after the installation was complete and the
new Windows 8 OS seemed to be working very well I got this pop-up that
asked for the Windows 8 Pro Product Key. When I typed this in it was
rejected as invalid. Gordon

Sounds like activation is properly working at MSFT's end.



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps