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  #1  
Old June 22nd 16, 05:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Alek
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Default Do I need this update?

"This update provides updated configuration and definitions for
compatibility diagnostics performed on the system. The updated
definitions will improve accuracy and help enable Microsoft and its
partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the
latest Windows operating system."

Sounds like a precursor to Win 10. Do I need it?
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  #2  
Old June 22nd 16, 06:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Alek wrote:
"This update provides updated configuration and definitions for
compatibility diagnostics performed on the system. The updated
definitions will improve accuracy and help enable Microsoft and its
partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the
latest Windows operating system."

Sounds like a precursor to Win 10. Do I need it?


It never hurts to toss in the KB number when you
ask a question like this. My guess is KB3150513.

*******

"This update will be offered only if KB2977759, KB2952664, or KB2976978 is installed"

http://www.infoworld.com/article/306...ing-patch.html

"May 4, 2016

Released by Microsoft without documentation, it's safe
to hide this patch if you don't want Windows 10 or its related updates"

Of course you need it! If you didn't install
it, er, ah, um... nobody would notice. So install it!

Takes off Microsoft cap and hides in bushes for next victim

Paul
  #3  
Old June 22nd 16, 06:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston[_3_]
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Alek wrote on 06/22/2016 12:24 PM:
"This update provides updated configuration and definitions for
compatibility diagnostics performed on the system. The updated
definitions will improve accuracy and help enable Microsoft and its
partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the
latest Windows operating system."

Sounds like a precursor to Win 10. Do I need it?


If you've installed 3035583 and wish it to provide the most accurate
compatibility for applications and devices *and* desire to upgrade to
Win10 then install it.

If none of the above apply, it can be hidden.

If 3035583 is not installed, then installing it does no harm(i.e. it
works as an adjunct to 3035583).

Imo, if using 8.0/8.1. upgrading to Win10(for free until July 29, 2016)
is a reasonable choice. One could always upgrade, then return the
system(via imaging software) to 8x after upgrading and having obtained
the Win10 digital license for the life of that upgraded and supported
device.



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  #4  
Old June 22nd 16, 07:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Alek
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.. . .winston wrote on 6/22/2016 1:39 PM:
Alek wrote on 06/22/2016 12:24 PM:
"This update provides updated configuration and definitions for
compatibility diagnostics performed on the system. The updated
definitions will improve accuracy and help enable Microsoft and its
partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the
latest Windows operating system."

Sounds like a precursor to Win 10. Do I need it?


If you've installed 3035583 and wish it to provide the most accurate
compatibility for applications and devices *and* desire to upgrade to
Win10 then install it.

If none of the above apply, it can be hidden.

If 3035583 is not installed, then installing it does no harm(i.e. it
works as an adjunct to 3035583).

Imo, if using 8.0/8.1. upgrading to Win10(for free until July 29, 2016)
is a reasonable choice. One could always upgrade, then return the
system(via imaging software) to 8x after upgrading and having obtained
the Win10 digital license for the life of that upgraded and supported
device.


And then could I install 10 at a later time?
  #5  
Old June 22nd 16, 09:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Good Guy[_2_]
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On 22/06/2016 19:32, Alek wrote:
And then could I install 10 at a later time?


Probably not because Windows 10 digital license is assigned to the
device and not to your Windows 8/8.1 serial number. Therefore, when
your computer dies then so does your Windows 10 free upgrade
entitlement. I assume you have been brain washed by that Canadian
"Small Boys Abuser" that Windows 10 is horrible and spying on people
like you. Is this so? If this is so then you won't be using Windows 10
for a very long time indeed by which time your current computer would
have died or stolen or damaged by thunderstorm. So don't waste your
time and enjoy what you currently have.

Also, your chronological age matters. If you are in your 80s then by
the time you are ready to use Windows 10, you would die or be a in very
critical condition that will make you not to worry about computing at all.

So in short, either use Windows 10 now or just forget about it and worry
about your next life.

We are all using 10 here and loving it; There are some sceptics who
hated it and decided to install 10 just to claim their free entitlement
and now they have decided to stay with 10. So 10 is very addictive;
You have been warned!!!!!!!!


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  #6  
Old June 22nd 16, 09:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Alek
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.. . .winston wrote on 6/22/2016 1:39 PM:
Alek wrote on 06/22/2016 12:24 PM:
"This update provides updated configuration and definitions for
compatibility diagnostics performed on the system. The updated
definitions will improve accuracy and help enable Microsoft and its
partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the
latest Windows operating system."

Sounds like a precursor to Win 10. Do I need it?


If you've installed 3035583 and wish it to provide the most accurate
compatibility for applications and devices *and* desire to upgrade to
Win10 then install it.


Is there a way to search the list of installed updates to see if I've
installed 3035583, or must I scroll through the list?

  #7  
Old June 22nd 16, 09:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Alek wrote:

And then could I install 10 at a later time?


Get another HDD. They're cheap. Clone your old Win7 HDD/SDD to the new
HDD. Take out the old HDD and put in the new HDD. Then upgrade to
Windows 10. That way, with the old HDD out of the machine, the Win10
has no chance to even find your old Win7 setup. After you have
installed Win10 and performed the validation, your license for it has
been recorded. Then take that new HDD out of your machine and put aside
for when you might later want to switch to Win10. Put your old HDD with
Win7 back into your machine.

You could do nearly the same by saving a full backup image of your Win7
partition before upgrading to Win10, do the Win10 upgrade and validate
it (so your free license got activated), save a full backup image of
your new Win10 setup, and then restore to the old Win7 image. This
assumes the image backups remain safe and work after the Win10 upgrade
to do the Win7 restore (and also work later when you want to restore the
Win10 image).

Saving the Win10 install image is fruitless if you don't *install* it
before the deadline. You need to install AND validate the free license
BEFORE the deadline. Once you validate the Win10 license, you can leave
Win10 on your computer or go back to Win7 (and do Win10 later). There
would be no way for Microsoft to know that you did a Win10 upgrade on a
computer you leave powered off versus a Win10 upgrade that was then
stored in a drawer on a new HDD or saved in an image.

Once you install the free Win10 upgrade, THAT is the hardware on which
you get to use it. You won't be able to use the Win10 backup image or
new HDD with Win10 on a different computer. If you intend on moving
from your ancient hardware to new hardware, do that with your Win7 setup
(as long as it is a retail license since OEMs stick to the first box on
which you install them).
  #8  
Old June 22nd 16, 11:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Alek wrote:

Thank you so much!

I got out of sync with my morning meds and the old brain is not firing
on all 12 cylinders!

Wonderful answer!! :-)


Note that after a test, I found that the Control Panel applet (Programs
and Features) search box is even worse that I previously noted. I could
see a KBxxxxxxx listed when the search box was empty (no filtering). I
then entered KBxxxxxxx in the search box and got a blank page (it could
not find the update). I could see it right there in the full list but
not when I tried to search on it. So screw Microsoft's Control Panel
search function. It sucks. That's why I use Belarc Advisor. So much
easier to find what updates have been applied, and a lot of other handy
info, too.
  #9  
Old June 22nd 16, 11:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Alek
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VanguardLH wrote on 6/22/2016 6:02 PM:
Alek wrote:

Thank you so much!

I got out of sync with my morning meds and the old brain is not firing
on all 12 cylinders!

Wonderful answer!! :-)


Note that after a test, I found that the Control Panel applet (Programs
and Features) search box is even worse that I previously noted. I could
see a KBxxxxxxx listed when the search box was empty (no filtering). I
then entered KBxxxxxxx in the search box and got a blank page (it could
not find the update). I could see it right there in the full list but
not when I tried to search on it. So screw Microsoft's Control Panel
search function. It sucks. That's why I use Belarc Advisor. So much
easier to find what updates have been applied, and a lot of other handy
info, too.


OK. Off to get Belarc!
  #10  
Old June 23rd 16, 04:17 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston[_3_]
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Alek wrote on 06/22/2016 2:32 PM:



If you've installed 3035583 and wish it to provide the most accurate
compatibility for applications and devices *and* desire to upgrade to
Win10 then install it.

If none of the above apply, it can be hidden.

If 3035583 is not installed, then installing it does no harm(i.e. it
works as an adjunct to 3035583).

Imo, if using 8.0/8.1. upgrading to Win10(for free until July 29, 2016)
is a reasonable choice. One could always upgrade, then return the
system(via imaging software) to 8x after upgrading and having obtained
the Win10 digital license for the life of that upgraded and supported
device.


And then could I install 10 at a later time?


Once you've upgraded the device from a qualifying o/s(7/8x) and have
activated and obtained the digital license for Win10 for *that* device,
you can install(clean install) Win10 on that device at any time in the
future (even after the free upgrade offer expires).

Keep in mind, as noted previously the digital license is for the life of
that upgraded and supported device.

What if:
Changing the mobo after obtaining the digital license ?
- No longer the same device [1]

[1] If your Win 8.0 or 8.1 was a retail version(not an OEM pre-installed
or System Builder installed - the latter doesn't matter if someone built
it for you or you built it yourself, its still an OEM version) and you
upgraded that retail 8x to 10 then you may be able to convince MSFT
Activation Support personnel install 10(after a mobo change) on that
same device(with the new mobo).


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Old June 23rd 16, 04:23 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston[_3_]
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VanguardLH wrote on 06/22/2016 6:02 PM:
Alek wrote:

Thank you so much!

I got out of sync with my morning meds and the old brain is not firing
on all 12 cylinders!

Wonderful answer!! :-)


Note that after a test, I found that the Control Panel applet (Programs
and Features) search box is even worse that I previously noted. I could
see a KBxxxxxxx listed when the search box was empty (no filtering). I
then entered KBxxxxxxx in the search box and got a blank page (it could
not find the update). I could see it right there in the full list but
not when I tried to search on it. So screw Microsoft's Control Panel
search function. It sucks. That's why I use Belarc Advisor. So much
easier to find what updates have been applied, and a lot of other handy
info, too.


Works fine here on Win7 x64 SP1 Pro. Entered and searched for half
dozen different Windows, Office, Lync, and .NET updates - all appeared
almost instantly in the main display window.



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  #12  
Old June 23rd 16, 09:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Alek
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VanguardLH wrote on 6/22/2016 4:52 PM:
Alek wrote:

And then could I install 10 at a later time?


Get another HDD. They're cheap. Clone your old Win7 HDD/SDD to the new
HDD. Take out the old HDD and put in the new HDD. Then upgrade to
Windows 10. That way, with the old HDD out of the machine, the Win10
has no chance to even find your old Win7 setup. After you have
installed Win10 and performed the validation, your license for it has
been recorded. Then take that new HDD out of your machine and put aside
for when you might later want to switch to Win10. Put your old HDD with
Win7 back into your machine.

You could do nearly the same by saving a full backup image of your Win7
partition


That would be the one that is labeled C: ?

before upgrading to Win10, do the Win10 upgrade and validate
it (so your free license got activated), save a full backup image of
your new Win10 setup,


The whole drive or just the C: partition?

and then restore to the old Win7 image. This
assumes the image backups remain safe and work after the Win10 upgrade
to do the Win7 restore (and also work later when you want to restore the
Win10 image).

Saving the Win10 install image is fruitless if you don't *install* it
before the deadline. You need to install AND validate the free license
BEFORE the deadline. Once you validate the Win10 license, you can leave
Win10 on your computer or go back to Win7 (and do Win10 later). There
would be no way for Microsoft to know that you did a Win10 upgrade on a
computer you leave powered off versus a Win10 upgrade that was then
stored in a drawer on a new HDD or saved in an image.

Once you install the free Win10 upgrade, THAT is the hardware on which
you get to use it. You won't be able to use the Win10 backup image or
new HDD with Win10 on a different computer. If you intend on moving
from your ancient hardware to new hardware, do that with your Win7 setup
(as long as it is a retail license since OEMs stick to the first box on
which you install them).



Many thanks.
  #13  
Old June 24th 16, 04:21 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Nomen Nescio
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In article
Alek wrote:

"This update provides updated configuration and definitions for
compatibility diagnostics performed on the system. The updated
definitions will improve accuracy and help enable Microsoft and its
partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the
latest Windows operating system."

Sounds like a precursor to Win 10. Do I need it?


No. Compatibility is just another telemetry tool. It is unnecessary.

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Old June 24th 16, 07:54 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston[_3_]
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Nomen Nescio wrote on 06/23/2016 11:21 PM:
In article
Alek wrote:

"This update provides updated configuration and definitions for
compatibility diagnostics performed on the system. The updated
definitions will improve accuracy and help enable Microsoft and its
partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the
latest Windows operating system."

Sounds like a precursor to Win 10. Do I need it?


No. Compatibility is just another telemetry tool. It is unnecessary.


Not entirely correct. The KB when installed works in conjunction with
3035583 compatibility checker, i.e. not just another telemetry tool.

If 3035583 is not installed, it's harmless. If concerned, if installed,
telemetry for the KB can be disabled by turning the CEIP off.



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  #15  
Old June 24th 16, 09:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Alek
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.. . .winston wrote on 6/24/2016 2:54 AM:
Nomen Nescio wrote on 06/23/2016 11:21 PM:
In article
Alek wrote:

"This update provides updated configuration and definitions for
compatibility diagnostics performed on the system. The updated
definitions will improve accuracy and help enable Microsoft and its
partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the
latest Windows operating system."

Sounds like a precursor to Win 10. Do I need it?


No. Compatibility is just another telemetry tool. It is unnecessary.


Not entirely correct. The KB when installed works in conjunction with
3035583 compatibility checker, i.e. not just another telemetry tool.

If 3035583 is not installed, it's harmless. If concerned, if installed,
telemetry for the KB can be disabled by turning the CEIP off.


How is that done?
 




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