Real hardware test

Many here (self included) have Win10 in a virtual machine.

I have a machine on the bench that I put a new HD in and decided to load
Win10 just to see how it will do on real H/W.

Runs better. Performance in a VM was not bad...but not as good as "real".


Machine specs quite modest:

dual core P-4 3.4 ghz

2gigs RAM

on-board video

On 11/25/2014 12:58 PM, philo wrote:
Many here (self included) have Win10 in a virtual machine.

I have a machine on the bench that I put a new HD in and decided to load
Win10 just to see how it will do on real H/W.

Runs better. Performance in a VM was not bad...but not as good as "real".


Machine specs quite modest:

dual core P-4 3.4 ghz

2gigs RAM

on-board video


Yes, runs real quick here also, I have it installed on a 120 GB Samsung
840 SSD.
It is doing good so far, No problems.

Regards, Rene

philo wrote:
Many here (self included) have Win10 in a virtual machine.

I have a machine on the bench that I put a new HD in and decided to load
Win10 just to see how it will do on real H/W.

Runs better. Performance in a VM was not bad...but not as good as "real".


Machine specs quite modest:

dual core P-4 3.4 ghz

2gigs RAM

on-board video

Stuck at 1024x768 video resolution ?

I'm surprised the motherboard graphics on a P4 era
machine are good enough. Maybe it's running with the VESA
fallback driver or something.

It has to be a "late model P4" to meet the CPU requirements.

Paul

On 11/25/2014 1:27 PM, Paul wrote:
philo wrote:
Many here (self included) have Win10 in a virtual machine.

I have a machine on the bench that I put a new HD in and decided to
load Win10 just to see how it will do on real H/W.

Runs better. Performance in a VM was not bad...but not as good as "real".


Machine specs quite modest:

dual core P-4 3.4 ghz

2gigs RAM

on-board video

Stuck at 1024x768 video resolution ?

I'm surprised the motherboard graphics on a P4 era
machine are good enough. Maybe it's running with the VESA
fallback driver or something.

It has to be a "late model P4" to meet the CPU requirements.

Paul
Luckily I am running an i7 950 @ 3.07 GH with 6 GB of tri channel ram on
a Sabertooth X58 MB, Video is an Asus HD5850cu at 1920 x 1080, this
makes a pretty good system although getting a little old, Just like me.
:-)

Regards, Rene

On 11/25/2014 01:27 PM, Paul wrote:
philo wrote:
Many here (self included) have Win10 in a virtual machine.

I have a machine on the bench that I put a new HD in and decided to
load Win10 just to see how it will do on real H/W.

Runs better. Performance in a VM was not bad...but not as good as "real".


Machine specs quite modest:

dual core P-4 3.4 ghz

2gigs RAM

on-board video

Stuck at 1024x768 video resolution ?

I'm surprised the motherboard graphics on a P4 era
machine are good enough. Maybe it's running with the VESA
fallback driver or something.

It has to be a "late model P4" to meet the CPU requirements.

Paul



Being a dual core 3.4 ghz it must be a late model P-4

Most of the P-4's I get are approx 2ghz and single core.


Yep, the maximum graphics resolution is 1024 x 768

I have not seen Windows use the term "VESA" in many years it's just
using the Windows standard VGA driver.

I have some spare PCIe video cards and I may put one in.

With Win7 I have often (but not always) seen the generic Windows driver,
probe the video card at high resolution and about as well as the actual
manufacturer's driver.

On 11/25/2014 01:36 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
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Paul
Luckily I am running an i7 950 @ 3.07 GH with 6 GB of tri channel ram on
a Sabertooth X58 MB, Video is an Asus HD5850cu at 1920 x 1080, this
makes a pretty good system although getting a little old, Just like me.
:-)

Regards, Rene





I'll take it!

All my own machines are just made from discarded junk my friends no
longer need. I am presently using my best machine.

Athlon 64 x2 (3ghz) 6gigs of RAM

Gforce 8400 GS


My wife gets the good stuff!

On 25/11/2014 in message Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Yes, runs real quick here also, I have it installed on a 120 GB Samsung
840 SSD.
It is doing good so far, No problems.

How is network speed?
Accessing my home network under Win7 is very, very slow.

--
Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
By the time you can make ends meet they move the ends

On 11/25/2014 01:27 PM, Paul wrote:
philo wrote:
Many here (self included) have Win10 in a virtual machine.

I have a machine on the bench that I put a new HD in and decided to
load Win10 just to see how it will do on real H/W.

Runs better. Performance in a VM was not bad...but not as good as "real".


Machine specs quite modest:

dual core P-4 3.4 ghz

2gigs RAM

on-board video

Stuck at 1024x768 video resolution ?



I just had another look and though it did default to 1024 x 768

I was able to move it up to 1280 x 1024

since that is the best the monitor on my workbench can do, I don't know
if it could do better....but this seems to be an improvement over Win 7
that did not probe it at that high of a resolution.


The driver is just listed as "Microsoft basic adapter"


It's the on board Intel which has no Win7 driver but I did find an older
driver that was hacked to (sometimes) work on Win7

On 11/25/2014 4:20 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 25/11/2014 in message Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Yes, runs real quick here also, I have it installed on a 120 GB
Samsung 840 SSD.
It is doing good so far, No problems.

How is network speed?
Accessing my home network under Win7 is very, very slow.

My upload speed averages 2.7 Gbs per second and download speed
averages about 21 Gbs per second

Regards,Rene

On 11/25/2014 5:08 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 11/25/2014 4:20 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 25/11/2014 in message Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Yes, runs real quick here also, I have it installed on a 120 GB
Samsung 840 SSD.
It is doing good so far, No problems.

How is network speed?
Accessing my home network under Win7 is very, very slow.

My upload speed averages 2.7 Gbs per second and download speed
averages about 21 Gbs per second

Regards,Rene



Double Ooops, should be 2.7Mbps and 21Mbps NOT Gb.

Regards, Rene

philo wrote:
On 11/25/2014 01:27 PM, Paul wrote:
philo wrote:
Many here (self included) have Win10 in a virtual machine.

I have a machine on the bench that I put a new HD in and decided to
load Win10 just to see how it will do on real H/W.

Runs better. Performance in a VM was not bad...but not as good as
"real".


Machine specs quite modest:

dual core P-4 3.4 ghz

2gigs RAM

on-board video

Stuck at 1024x768 video resolution ?



I just had another look and though it did default to 1024 x 768

I was able to move it up to 1280 x 1024

since that is the best the monitor on my workbench can do, I don't know
if it could do better....but this seems to be an improvement over Win 7
that did not probe it at that high of a resolution.


The driver is just listed as "Microsoft basic adapter"


It's the on board Intel which has no Win7 driver but I did find an older
driver that was hacked to (sometimes) work on Win7


My failing test case wouldn't do that. The basic adapter
was stuck at 1024x768, on a 1440x900 monitor.

Paul

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 11/25/2014 5:08 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 11/25/2014 4:20 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 25/11/2014 in message Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Yes, runs real quick here also, I have it installed on a 120 GB
Samsung 840 SSD.
It is doing good so far, No problems.

How is network speed?
Accessing my home network under Win7 is very, very slow.

My upload speed averages 2.7 Gbs per second and download speed
averages about 21 Gbs per second

Regards,Rene



Double Ooops, should be 2.7Mbps and 21Mbps NOT Gb.

Regards, Rene

Send your resume to my networking company. We need
people who can upload at 2.7 Gbs per second. Using common
household materials.

(Rene uploads to the Internet...)

http://www.aoptix.com/wp-content/upl...O-872x1024.png

Paul

On 11/25/2014 07:45 PM, Paul wrote:

I just had another look and though it did default to 1024 x 768

I was able to move it up to 1280 x 1024

since that is the best the monitor on my workbench can do, I don't
know if it could do better....but this seems to be an improvement over
Win 7 that did not probe it at that high of a resolution.


The driver is just listed as "Microsoft basic adapter"


It's the on board Intel which has no Win7 driver but I did find an
older driver that was hacked to (sometimes) work on Win7


My failing test case wouldn't do that. The basic adapter
was stuck at 1024x768, on a 1440x900 monitor.

Paul



I had a look again inside the case and sheesh, the machine has two
standard PCI slots and a single PCIe x1 only.

I won't be able to put in a decent PCIe video card but I may actually
have a high end PCI video card left in my junk box.

At any rate my Win 10 "real H/W" experiment is over.

On 26/11/2014 in message Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Double Ooops, should be 2.7Mbps and 21Mbps NOT Gb.

That looks like your Internet connection speed.

I was thinking of the home network where, in Win7, I can click on a
network share in Explorer and wait 5 minutes before I can use it.

--
Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.

"Jeff Gaines" wrote in message
...
On 26/11/2014 in message Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Double Ooops, should be 2.7Mbps and 21Mbps NOT Gb.

That looks like your Internet connection speed.

I was thinking of the home network where, in Win7, I can click on a
network share in Explorer and wait 5 minutes before I can use it.


Win10TP machine-
Acer V3-731 laptop
Windows 10TP x64 Build 9879
Pentium B950 CPU @2.1 GHz
8GB Ram
Broadcom Wireless internal card

Network share-
Homebuilt w/ Asus MB
Windows 7 HP x86
AMD Phenom II X4 965BE 3.4GHz
4GB RAM
2- GB NIC's (not bridged)

Asus RTN10P Router

As soon as Win10 is fully up and running, I am able to access my network
shares within seconds of opening Network in Computer. I copied a 500MB video
from the shared folder to the Acer in 2.25 minutes (average transfer rate
according to Win10 was ~4MB/S). I can play a shared video on the Win10
machine smoothly with no lag, skips, or jumps. Audio and video kept up with
each other, no problem. It stayed synced better than my cable does :-( I
used both Windows Media Player (or Video App, whatever it's called now), and
VLC Player and noticed no difference in quality or smoothness. I'm watching
an old Neil Young concert as I'm composing this :-)

I tried an Excel spreadsheet with no problems, and other types of documents.
They all worked fine, equally as smooth as my work network was (although
it's just me here and not 100 users LOL).

Compared to Win8.1 Pro x64 on the Acer, Win10 runs smoother, but takes a
little longer to boot up. I have two HDD in it, one with Win10 and the other
(primary) with Win8.1. I use F12 on boot-up to select Win10. Since it's set
up that way, I had to disable Fast Start on both OS's. The Win10
installation is an upgrade from Win8, not a clean installation. I cloned my
Win8.1 drive to the other drive, then removed the Win8.1 drive and did the
upgrade so there would be no interaction between the two drives during the
installation. Thus the F12 selection rather than the Windows drive selection
menu. That way if something goes horrible wrong with the Win10 installation,
I can wipe it with no consequence to the Win8.1 drive.
--
SC Tom