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Win7 Upgrade Consideration?
On 01/20/2015 07:52 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 19:25:52 -0600, philo wrote: On 01/20/2015 05:57 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:55:11 -0800, wrote: On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 17:28:11 -0600, philo wrote: On 01/20/2015 04:56 PM, wrote: Anyone exploring the possibilities of moving from Win7 to Win10 upon release. Anyone with experience with Win10 can share insights for Win7 users - probably done before, but haven't seen much lately (mainly just Win8 to Win10). Thanks charliec I'm evaluating Win10 and believe it will be well received. If you want the Win8 "tiles" you can get them, but if you prefer a classic GUI similar to Win7, it's there by default. Since Win7 is still supported I don't see any real reason to upgrade. Thanks for the reply. I'm a Win7 User, not Win8, so was looking more for comparison to Win7. I read earlier that MS decided to retain the Win7 GUI in Win10, which is great! But, was wondering what advancements were being offered to prompt Win7 users to moved when Win10 is released. But, again, thanks for your reply. Note that philo said "Since *Win7* is still supported...". The only reason I've ever upgraded or changed operating systems is: 1) Lack of support 2) The new OS will do something better Though my main operating system now is Linux...I still do use Windows from time to time...and Win7 does absolutely everything I need so do not use Win8 or Win10 other than for testing purposes. The OP replied to you with "I'm a Win7 User, not Win8...", so I was just pointing out to the OP that you had explicitly recognized that he has Win7. Yes, and I don't know what he expects to gain by going with Win 10 |
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philo wrote:
On 01/20/2015 07:52 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 19:25:52 -0600, philo wrote: On 01/20/2015 05:57 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:55:11 -0800, wrote: On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 17:28:11 -0600, philo wrote: On 01/20/2015 04:56 PM, wrote: Anyone exploring the possibilities of moving from Win7 to Win10 upon release. Anyone with experience with Win10 can share insights for Win7 users - probably done before, but haven't seen much lately (mainly just Win8 to Win10). Thanks charliec I'm evaluating Win10 and believe it will be well received. If you want the Win8 "tiles" you can get them, but if you prefer a classic GUI similar to Win7, it's there by default. Since Win7 is still supported I don't see any real reason to upgrade. Thanks for the reply. I'm a Win7 User, not Win8, so was looking more for comparison to Win7. I read earlier that MS decided to retain the Win7 GUI in Win10, which is great! But, was wondering what advancements were being offered to prompt Win7 users to moved when Win10 is released. But, again, thanks for your reply. Note that philo said "Since *Win7* is still supported...". The only reason I've ever upgraded or changed operating systems is: 1) Lack of support 2) The new OS will do something better Though my main operating system now is Linux...I still do use Windows from time to time...and Win7 does absolutely everything I need so do not use Win8 or Win10 other than for testing purposes. The OP replied to you with "I'm a Win7 User, not Win8...", so I was just pointing out to the OP that you had explicitly recognized that he has Win7. Yes, and I don't know what he expects to gain by going with Win 10 Rare few end users compile a list of why they think they need to migrate to a new version of any OS. If they were to compile such a list, the only item on it that they go by is "It's new". |
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philo wrote:
On 01/20/2015 07:52 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 19:25:52 -0600, philo wrote: On 01/20/2015 05:57 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:55:11 -0800, wrote: On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 17:28:11 -0600, philo wrote: On 01/20/2015 04:56 PM, wrote: Anyone exploring the possibilities of moving from Win7 to Win10 upon release. Anyone with experience with Win10 can share insights for Win7 users - probably done before, but haven't seen much lately (mainly just Win8 to Win10). Thanks charliec I'm evaluating Win10 and believe it will be well received. If you want the Win8 "tiles" you can get them, but if you prefer a classic GUI similar to Win7, it's there by default. Since Win7 is still supported I don't see any real reason to upgrade. Thanks for the reply. I'm a Win7 User, not Win8, so was looking more for comparison to Win7. I read earlier that MS decided to retain the Win7 GUI in Win10, which is great! But, was wondering what advancements were being offered to prompt Win7 users to moved when Win10 is released. But, again, thanks for your reply. Note that philo said "Since *Win7* is still supported...". The only reason I've ever upgraded or changed operating systems is: 1) Lack of support 2) The new OS will do something better Though my main operating system now is Linux...I still do use Windows from time to time...and Win7 does absolutely everything I need so do not use Win8 or Win10 other than for testing purposes. The OP replied to you with "I'm a Win7 User, not Win8...", so I was just pointing out to the OP that you had explicitly recognized that he has Win7. Yes, and I don't know what he expects to gain by going with Win 10 Rare few end users compile a list of why they think they need to migrate to a new version of any OS. If they were to compile such a list, the only item on it that they go by is "It's new". |
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philo wrote:
The only reason I've ever upgraded or changed operating systems is: 1) Lack of support 2) The new OS will do something better An additional reason: 3) An application you want or need to use demands a particular OS version as a minimal requirement. So far, for me, this means games that require a later version of some library included in Windows, like supporting technology that provides a required function to the game. For example, back when I was still using Windows XP, there were games that I was interested in but demanded a later version of DirectX. My response: put off those games until whenever I later moved to Windows 7 (and skipped Vista). Games aren't critical to my choice of OS (but is critical to avid rabid gamers). Applications can require specific support from an OS which is only available on and after some version of that OS. Lack of support would never be a reason for me to leave an OS. I never get any support from Microsoft on any of their products. Lack of updates is insufficient reason to change. Just because a product is no longer support does not mean it is no longer usable. I'm still using 40tude Dialog to post here and its author abandoned that back around 2005. On occasion, I still use SamSpade (instead of Linx) that died back in 2002 to give me a text-only web browser or to check headers. The "something better" too often is too little bang-for-the-buck for me to waste my money. Often the enhancements are available from 3rd party software developers and many times they are free. What major functionality or technology was added to Windows 10 that cannot be accomplished with 3rd party software added to Windows 7 or 8? GUI changes do not constitute major functionality change, and 3rd party software exists to allow choices in the GUI. Painting your car a different color doesn't change what is your car. Do you "really" need Internet Explorer 12 with its UI changes and further minimalization, or would using something else (Firefox, Google Chrome, their variants, or others) provide you with whatever IE12 would add, and more, above IE10 or IE11? I'm still waiting to hear about some big bang gotta have wowser evolutionary feature in Windows 10. Changed GUI and enhanced search engine, is that it? What happened to the databased file system (WinFS)? NTFS can't be the end-all be-all file system. Oh wow, a new Task View button, big deal. Oooh, they added multiple virtual desktops to reduce clutter on any one of them; however, I've been using Dexpot (and for free) for a long time now in Windows 7. What new features Microsoft adds is often already available and often for quite some time from other software vendors. Does Win10 have something like Infinite Screen where the display is a viewer into a larger screen (for those that want all windows on one desktop)? I was hoping Microsoft would come up with something that isn't already available from 3rd party software much of which is free. Oh look, an enhanced Snap mode. Yawn. Nope, just belated fizz. Where's that big gotta-have thing in Win10? Where's that "something better" that hasn't already been around before? I'm still waiting to be wowed. Nope, only a program that I really want or am required to use that demands a minimal version of Windows is the only reason for me (and lots of others) to upgrade. If it weren't that I got Windows 7 Home Edition for free (as an OEM license on a broke computer that I got for free and fixed), I'd still be back on Windows XP along with all those other enduring XP users. Now that I'm on Windows7, I won't even bother considering leaving it until sometime - and probably long after - extended support ends (2022) UNLESS there some program I really want or must use that demands a later version of Windows (and then I'll get the latest at that time and skip the intervening versions - so Microsoft might have Windows 11 or 12 out by then). I don't choose an OS and then go looking for apps that provide solutions to my tasks. I see what apps will meet my criteria and then see what OS they will run on. I choose the content before deciding on the player. For some apps, Linux is the smarter choice. For others, Windows is the smarter (and perhaps only) choice. Unlike Microsoft using Windows 7 to cover their debacle with Vista, I don't think Windows 10 is going to erase the Windows 8 debacle. |
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philo wrote:
The only reason I've ever upgraded or changed operating systems is: 1) Lack of support 2) The new OS will do something better An additional reason: 3) An application you want or need to use demands a particular OS version as a minimal requirement. So far, for me, this means games that require a later version of some library included in Windows, like supporting technology that provides a required function to the game. For example, back when I was still using Windows XP, there were games that I was interested in but demanded a later version of DirectX. My response: put off those games until whenever I later moved to Windows 7 (and skipped Vista). Games aren't critical to my choice of OS (but is critical to avid rabid gamers). Applications can require specific support from an OS which is only available on and after some version of that OS. Lack of support would never be a reason for me to leave an OS. I never get any support from Microsoft on any of their products. Lack of updates is insufficient reason to change. Just because a product is no longer support does not mean it is no longer usable. I'm still using 40tude Dialog to post here and its author abandoned that back around 2005. On occasion, I still use SamSpade (instead of Linx) that died back in 2002 to give me a text-only web browser or to check headers. The "something better" too often is too little bang-for-the-buck for me to waste my money. Often the enhancements are available from 3rd party software developers and many times they are free. What major functionality or technology was added to Windows 10 that cannot be accomplished with 3rd party software added to Windows 7 or 8? GUI changes do not constitute major functionality change, and 3rd party software exists to allow choices in the GUI. Painting your car a different color doesn't change what is your car. Do you "really" need Internet Explorer 12 with its UI changes and further minimalization, or would using something else (Firefox, Google Chrome, their variants, or others) provide you with whatever IE12 would add, and more, above IE10 or IE11? I'm still waiting to hear about some big bang gotta have wowser evolutionary feature in Windows 10. Changed GUI and enhanced search engine, is that it? What happened to the databased file system (WinFS)? NTFS can't be the end-all be-all file system. Oh wow, a new Task View button, big deal. Oooh, they added multiple virtual desktops to reduce clutter on any one of them; however, I've been using Dexpot (and for free) for a long time now in Windows 7. What new features Microsoft adds is often already available and often for quite some time from other software vendors. Does Win10 have something like Infinite Screen where the display is a viewer into a larger screen (for those that want all windows on one desktop)? I was hoping Microsoft would come up with something that isn't already available from 3rd party software much of which is free. Oh look, an enhanced Snap mode. Yawn. Nope, just belated fizz. Where's that big gotta-have thing in Win10? Where's that "something better" that hasn't already been around before? I'm still waiting to be wowed. Nope, only a program that I really want or am required to use that demands a minimal version of Windows is the only reason for me (and lots of others) to upgrade. If it weren't that I got Windows 7 Home Edition for free (as an OEM license on a broke computer that I got for free and fixed), I'd still be back on Windows XP along with all those other enduring XP users. Now that I'm on Windows7, I won't even bother considering leaving it until sometime - and probably long after - extended support ends (2022) UNLESS there some program I really want or must use that demands a later version of Windows (and then I'll get the latest at that time and skip the intervening versions - so Microsoft might have Windows 11 or 12 out by then). I don't choose an OS and then go looking for apps that provide solutions to my tasks. I see what apps will meet my criteria and then see what OS they will run on. I choose the content before deciding on the player. For some apps, Linux is the smarter choice. For others, Windows is the smarter (and perhaps only) choice. Unlike Microsoft using Windows 7 to cover their debacle with Vista, I don't think Windows 10 is going to erase the Windows 8 debacle. |
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On 20/01/2015 11:28 pm, philo wrote:
On 01/20/2015 04:56 PM, wrote: Anyone exploring the possibilities of moving from Win7 to Win10 upon release. Anyone with experience with Win10 can share insights for Win7 users - probably done before, but haven't seen much lately (mainly just Win8 to Win10). Thanks charliec I'm evaluating Win10 and believe it will be well received. If you want the Win8 "tiles" you can get them, but if you prefer a classic GUI similar to Win7, it's there by default. Not in any usable form - you still need Classic Shell or similar. Since Win7 is still supported I don't see any real reason to upgrade. Now there we agree wholeheartedly. I don't have a phone or a spare tablet to test it on - (and it could be quite good on a touch screen device) but Windows 10 has no advantages over Windows 7 whatever on a desktop or laptop, and quite a few disadvantages. Let's just hope the final version has some big changes. -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England Critic - a person who knows the way, but can't drive the car. - Kenneth Tynan |
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On 20/01/2015 11:28 pm, philo wrote:
On 01/20/2015 04:56 PM, wrote: Anyone exploring the possibilities of moving from Win7 to Win10 upon release. Anyone with experience with Win10 can share insights for Win7 users - probably done before, but haven't seen much lately (mainly just Win8 to Win10). Thanks charliec I'm evaluating Win10 and believe it will be well received. If you want the Win8 "tiles" you can get them, but if you prefer a classic GUI similar to Win7, it's there by default. Not in any usable form - you still need Classic Shell or similar. Since Win7 is still supported I don't see any real reason to upgrade. Now there we agree wholeheartedly. I don't have a phone or a spare tablet to test it on - (and it could be quite good on a touch screen device) but Windows 10 has no advantages over Windows 7 whatever on a desktop or laptop, and quite a few disadvantages. Let's just hope the final version has some big changes. -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England Critic - a person who knows the way, but can't drive the car. - Kenneth Tynan |
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On 01/20/2015 10:54 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
snip The only reason I've ever upgraded or changed operating systems is: 1) Lack of support 2) The new OS will do something better Though my main operating system now is Linux...I still do use Windows from time to time...and Win7 does absolutely everything I need so do not use Win8 or Win10 other than for testing purposes. The OP replied to you with "I'm a Win7 User, not Win8...", so I was just pointing out to the OP that you had explicitly recognized that he has Win7. Yes, and I don't know what he expects to gain by going with Win 10 Rare few end users compile a list of why they think they need to migrate to a new version of any OS. If they were to compile such a list, the only item on it that they go by is "It's new". Yep...although *one* of my friends likes those Win8 tiles |
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On 01/20/2015 10:54 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
snip The only reason I've ever upgraded or changed operating systems is: 1) Lack of support 2) The new OS will do something better Though my main operating system now is Linux...I still do use Windows from time to time...and Win7 does absolutely everything I need so do not use Win8 or Win10 other than for testing purposes. The OP replied to you with "I'm a Win7 User, not Win8...", so I was just pointing out to the OP that you had explicitly recognized that he has Win7. Yes, and I don't know what he expects to gain by going with Win 10 Rare few end users compile a list of why they think they need to migrate to a new version of any OS. If they were to compile such a list, the only item on it that they go by is "It's new". Yep...although *one* of my friends likes those Win8 tiles |
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On 01/20/2015 10:54 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
philo wrote: The only reason I've ever upgraded or changed operating systems is: 1) Lack of support 2) The new OS will do something better An additional reason: 3) An application you want or need to use demands a particular OS version as a minimal requirement. So far, for me, this means games that require a later version of some library included in Windows, like supporting technology that provides a required function to the game. For example, back when I was still using Windows XP, there were games that I was interested in but demanded a later version of DirectX. My response: put off those games until whenever I later moved to Windows 7 (and skipped Vista). Games aren't critical to my choice of OS (but is critical to avid rabid gamers). Applications can require specific support from an OS which is only available on and after some version of that OS. Lack of support would never be a reason for me to leave an OS. I never get any support from Microsoft on any of their products. Lack of updates is insufficient reason to change. Just because a product is no longer support does not mean it is no longer usable. I'm still using 40tude Dialog to post here and its author abandoned that back around 2005. On occasion, I still use SamSpade (instead of Linx) that died back in 2002 to give me a text-only web browser or to check headers. The "something better" too often is too little bang-for-the-buck for me to waste my money. Often the enhancements are available from 3rd party software developers and many times they are free. What major functionality or technology was added to Windows 10 that cannot be accomplished with 3rd party software added to Windows 7 or 8? GUI changes do not constitute major functionality change, and 3rd party software exists to allow choices in the GUI. Painting your car a different color doesn't change what is your car. Do you "really" need Internet Explorer 12 with its UI changes and further minimalization, or would using something else (Firefox, Google Chrome, their variants, or others) provide you with whatever IE12 would add, and more, above IE10 or IE11? I'm still waiting to hear about some big bang gotta have wowser evolutionary feature in Windows 10. Changed GUI and enhanced search engine, is that it? What happened to the databased file system (WinFS)? If they were going to implement WinFS I think they would have done so by now NTFS can't be the end-all be-all file system. Oh wow, a new Task View button, big deal. Oooh, they added multiple virtual desktops to reduce clutter on any one of them; however, I've been using Dexpot (and for free) for a long time now in Windows 7. What new features Microsoft adds is often already available and often for quite some time from other software vendors. Does Win10 have something like Infinite Screen where the display is a viewer into a larger screen (for those that want all windows on one desktop)? I was hoping Microsoft would come up with something that isn't already available from 3rd party software much of which is free. Oh look, an enhanced Snap mode. Yawn. Nope, just belated fizz. Where's that big gotta-have thing in Win10? Where's that "something better" that hasn't already been around before? I'm still waiting to be wowed. Nope, only a program that I really want or am required to use that demands a minimal version of Windows is the only reason for me (and lots of others) to upgrade. If it weren't that I got Windows 7 Home Edition for free (as an OEM license on a broke computer that I got for free and fixed), I'd still be back on Windows XP along with all those other enduring XP users. Now that I'm on Windows7, I won't even bother considering leaving it until sometime - and probably long after - extended support ends (2022) UNLESS there some program I really want or must use that demands a later version of Windows (and then I'll get the latest at that time and skip the intervening versions - so Microsoft might have Windows 11 or 12 out by then). I don't choose an OS and then go looking for apps that provide solutions to my tasks. I see what apps will meet my criteria and then see what OS they will run on. I choose the content before deciding on the player. For some apps, Linux is the smarter choice. For others, Windows is the smarter (and perhaps only) choice. I just sue what does the job best. Mostly , I use Linux but do not hesitate to boot to Win7 if there is an application I need to use that does not work on Linux. I even bought a Macbook a few years back because at the time, a Lytro would only run on OSX. Unlike Microsoft using Windows 7 to cover their debacle with Vista, I don't think Windows 10 is going to erase the Windows 8 debacle. |
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On 01/20/2015 10:54 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
philo wrote: The only reason I've ever upgraded or changed operating systems is: 1) Lack of support 2) The new OS will do something better An additional reason: 3) An application you want or need to use demands a particular OS version as a minimal requirement. So far, for me, this means games that require a later version of some library included in Windows, like supporting technology that provides a required function to the game. For example, back when I was still using Windows XP, there were games that I was interested in but demanded a later version of DirectX. My response: put off those games until whenever I later moved to Windows 7 (and skipped Vista). Games aren't critical to my choice of OS (but is critical to avid rabid gamers). Applications can require specific support from an OS which is only available on and after some version of that OS. Lack of support would never be a reason for me to leave an OS. I never get any support from Microsoft on any of their products. Lack of updates is insufficient reason to change. Just because a product is no longer support does not mean it is no longer usable. I'm still using 40tude Dialog to post here and its author abandoned that back around 2005. On occasion, I still use SamSpade (instead of Linx) that died back in 2002 to give me a text-only web browser or to check headers. The "something better" too often is too little bang-for-the-buck for me to waste my money. Often the enhancements are available from 3rd party software developers and many times they are free. What major functionality or technology was added to Windows 10 that cannot be accomplished with 3rd party software added to Windows 7 or 8? GUI changes do not constitute major functionality change, and 3rd party software exists to allow choices in the GUI. Painting your car a different color doesn't change what is your car. Do you "really" need Internet Explorer 12 with its UI changes and further minimalization, or would using something else (Firefox, Google Chrome, their variants, or others) provide you with whatever IE12 would add, and more, above IE10 or IE11? I'm still waiting to hear about some big bang gotta have wowser evolutionary feature in Windows 10. Changed GUI and enhanced search engine, is that it? What happened to the databased file system (WinFS)? If they were going to implement WinFS I think they would have done so by now NTFS can't be the end-all be-all file system. Oh wow, a new Task View button, big deal. Oooh, they added multiple virtual desktops to reduce clutter on any one of them; however, I've been using Dexpot (and for free) for a long time now in Windows 7. What new features Microsoft adds is often already available and often for quite some time from other software vendors. Does Win10 have something like Infinite Screen where the display is a viewer into a larger screen (for those that want all windows on one desktop)? I was hoping Microsoft would come up with something that isn't already available from 3rd party software much of which is free. Oh look, an enhanced Snap mode. Yawn. Nope, just belated fizz. Where's that big gotta-have thing in Win10? Where's that "something better" that hasn't already been around before? I'm still waiting to be wowed. Nope, only a program that I really want or am required to use that demands a minimal version of Windows is the only reason for me (and lots of others) to upgrade. If it weren't that I got Windows 7 Home Edition for free (as an OEM license on a broke computer that I got for free and fixed), I'd still be back on Windows XP along with all those other enduring XP users. Now that I'm on Windows7, I won't even bother considering leaving it until sometime - and probably long after - extended support ends (2022) UNLESS there some program I really want or must use that demands a later version of Windows (and then I'll get the latest at that time and skip the intervening versions - so Microsoft might have Windows 11 or 12 out by then). I don't choose an OS and then go looking for apps that provide solutions to my tasks. I see what apps will meet my criteria and then see what OS they will run on. I choose the content before deciding on the player. For some apps, Linux is the smarter choice. For others, Windows is the smarter (and perhaps only) choice. I just sue what does the job best. Mostly , I use Linux but do not hesitate to boot to Win7 if there is an application I need to use that does not work on Linux. I even bought a Macbook a few years back because at the time, a Lytro would only run on OSX. Unlike Microsoft using Windows 7 to cover their debacle with Vista, I don't think Windows 10 is going to erase the Windows 8 debacle. |
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