A nice article on Cortana

Char Jackson wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:23:59 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

T wrote:

A nice article on M$'s Siri:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computi...na-windows-10/

Me personally, I just want a desktop. I will be turning
the sucker off. Rumor has it with a local account only,
it won't work anyway. :-)

My first thought is how a quiet workplace would become a din of noise
from boobs that cannot type as fast or even half as fast as they can
speak. Instead of just hearing the clattering of keyboards in the
office, you'll hear a bunch of users yelling at Cortana because
sensitivity has to be set so low as to prevent Cortana from obeying the
commands of the employee in the next cubicle. Think of the office noise
now. Then consider the noise at a party with the same number of
participants.

If you've ever used Siri or Galaxy, and I'm sure Cortana will be the same
way, then you know that it isn't like that at all. I don't think humans are
physically capable of commanding these devices from a cube away. Try it
sometime. If you want to make the workplace quieter, remove the phones. By
that, I mean all phones, as in work phones and personal phones. Also, ban
people from talking directly to each other except in designated areas. I'm
being ridiculous, of course, but so were you.

Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
from home.

I work and have worked at software development houses. We code all day,
we QA all day, and we're using our workstations all day. Many companies
even pipe in white or pink noise to increase the background noise in the
workplace to drown out the noise from people talking or keyboard
clattering. Of course, in the alpha lab there's no need for white noise
since all the fans in the computers are pretty loud.

We have cubicles setup for 1 person but some are setup for 4 people.
Generally it's a pretty quick place to work with the occasional call out
across the cubicles. Don't get many phone calls at work. Internal
e-mail or messaging handles that and I don't work in Sales but in QA.
The sales folks get their own closed cubicles or offices because of the
noise of phone calls.

So now imagine all employees having to use Cortana. For the same reason
that sales folks have to be secluded is the same reason you would need
to enclose every Cortana user.

You might be used to everyone yakking away in their cubicles all day
long. I don't know your work environment. In our area, it's quiet. In
the tech support area, it's definitely noisier. In the sales area, they
get walls to silence their noise. With the addition of Cortana and with
the existing workplace setups, it will get noisier. Even if there's no
loud speaking, you'll have the din of murmuring wafting everywhere.

Just look at what happened when grocery shopping. Used to be you went
to the store, hunted around for your purchases, and the noisest place
was at the cash register. Now there are shoppers with cell phones
against their heads or hooked onto their ears yakking away in the
grocery store (and everywhere else). While standing in line to
checkout, you hear them wasting minutes on the most worthless prattle.
Standing at the bus stop, walking the street, in the movies (without
cell phone killers), in the stores and malls, and everywhere there's now
more noise from cell phone junkies just yakking away.

Twas bad enough with all the cell phones used at work. Now we get
voice-actuated computers to add to the din. Not everyone at work is
using their cell phone every minute of the day; however, the Cortana
users will be prattling all day long. Because of the din caused by
constant voice recognition software, I'm sure companies will either
delete Cortana from their sysprep installs on their workstations or have
to redesign their workplaces to isolate the din.

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
from home.

I work and have worked at software development houses. We code all day,
we QA all day, and we're using our workstations all day. Many companies
even pipe in white or pink noise to increase the background noise in the
workplace to drown out the noise from people talking or keyboard
clattering. Of course, in the alpha lab there's no need for white noise
since all the fans in the computers are pretty loud.

We have cubicles setup for 1 person but some are setup for 4 people.
Generally it's a pretty quick place to work with the occasional call out
across the cubicles. Don't get many phone calls at work. Internal
e-mail or messaging handles that and I don't work in Sales but in QA.
The sales folks get their own closed cubicles or offices because of the
noise of phone calls.

So now imagine all employees having to use Cortana. For the same reason
that sales folks have to be secluded is the same reason you would need
to enclose every Cortana user.

Complete nonsense. No one said anything about having to use speech
recognition software. The premise was that it would be available, just as it
has been available on smartphones for years.

Twas bad enough with all the cell phones used at work. Now we get
voice-actuated computers to add to the din. Not everyone at work is
using their cell phone every minute of the day; however, the Cortana
users will be prattling all day long. Because of the din caused by
constant voice recognition software, I'm sure companies will either
delete Cortana from their sysprep installs on their workstations or have
to redesign their workplaces to isolate the din.

I don't believe any of that is true. It sounds completely made up.

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
from home.

I work and have worked at software development houses. We code all day,
we QA all day, and we're using our workstations all day. Many companies
even pipe in white or pink noise to increase the background noise in the
workplace to drown out the noise from people talking or keyboard
clattering. Of course, in the alpha lab there's no need for white noise
since all the fans in the computers are pretty loud.

We have cubicles setup for 1 person but some are setup for 4 people.
Generally it's a pretty quick place to work with the occasional call out
across the cubicles. Don't get many phone calls at work. Internal
e-mail or messaging handles that and I don't work in Sales but in QA.
The sales folks get their own closed cubicles or offices because of the
noise of phone calls.

So now imagine all employees having to use Cortana. For the same reason
that sales folks have to be secluded is the same reason you would need
to enclose every Cortana user.

Complete nonsense. No one said anything about having to use speech
recognition software. The premise was that it would be available, just as it
has been available on smartphones for years.

Twas bad enough with all the cell phones used at work. Now we get
voice-actuated computers to add to the din. Not everyone at work is
using their cell phone every minute of the day; however, the Cortana
users will be prattling all day long. Because of the din caused by
constant voice recognition software, I'm sure companies will either
delete Cortana from their sysprep installs on their workstations or have
to redesign their workplaces to isolate the din.

I don't believe any of that is true. It sounds completely made up.

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Just look at what happened when grocery shopping. Used to be you went
to the store, hunted around for your purchases, and the noisest place
was at the cash register. Now there are shoppers with cell phones
against their heads or hooked onto their ears yakking away in the
grocery store (and everywhere else). While standing in line to
checkout, you hear them wasting minutes on the most worthless prattle.
Standing at the bus stop, walking the street, in the movies (without
cell phone killers), in the stores and malls, and everywhere there's now
more noise from cell phone junkies just yakking away.

You need to move to my area, where it's much more civilized.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Just look at what happened when grocery shopping. Used to be you went
to the store, hunted around for your purchases, and the noisest place
was at the cash register. Now there are shoppers with cell phones
against their heads or hooked onto their ears yakking away in the
grocery store (and everywhere else). While standing in line to
checkout, you hear them wasting minutes on the most worthless prattle.
Standing at the bus stop, walking the street, in the movies (without
cell phone killers), in the stores and malls, and everywhere there's now
more noise from cell phone junkies just yakking away.

You need to move to my area, where it's much more civilized.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Char Jackson wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
from home.

I work and have worked at software development houses. We code all day,
we QA all day, and we're using our workstations all day. Many companies
even pipe in white or pink noise to increase the background noise in the
workplace to drown out the noise from people talking or keyboard
clattering. Of course, in the alpha lab there's no need for white noise
since all the fans in the computers are pretty loud.

We have cubicles setup for 1 person but some are setup for 4 people.
Generally it's a pretty quick place to work with the occasional call out
across the cubicles. Don't get many phone calls at work. Internal
e-mail or messaging handles that and I don't work in Sales but in QA.
The sales folks get their own closed cubicles or offices because of the
noise of phone calls.

So now imagine all employees having to use Cortana. For the same reason
that sales folks have to be secluded is the same reason you would need
to enclose every Cortana user.

Complete nonsense. No one said anything about having to use speech
recognition software. The premise was that it would be available, just as it
has been available on smartphones for years.

And why many surmise it'll be yet another glitzy feature that goes
unused. Remember the premise of this discussion was the *use* of
Cortana, not on ignoring it.

Twas bad enough with all the cell phones used at work. Now we get
voice-actuated computers to add to the din. Not everyone at work is
using their cell phone every minute of the day; however, the Cortana
users will be prattling all day long. Because of the din caused by
constant voice recognition software, I'm sure companies will either
delete Cortana from their sysprep installs on their workstations or have
to redesign their workplaces to isolate the din.

I don't believe any of that is true. It sounds completely made up.

Oh, never went grocery shopping, never been in a store, never had to
wait for a bus, never tried to listen to a stage play or opera without
having to listen to cell phone ringing and people chatting on their
little box. Uh huh, sure, that's never happened to you. Or maybe you
are one of those constantly prattling on a cell phone so you don't hear
all the other cell phone users; i.e., you're part of the din.

Oh sure, there won't be any noise in the office full or workstations
where Cortana is *used*. What the **** you think happens when a group of
employees gather at some spot and start discussing something? Silence
disappears. Now, and considering this thread is about *using* Cortana,
what do you think will have in the office environment with a bunch of
employees talking at their computers? Oh, you thought it would get
quieter? Yeah, right. Making noise must surely incur more silence.

In sysprep of their workstations, any company can decide what features
to omit or include in the image they place on their workstations.

Char Jackson wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
from home.

I work and have worked at software development houses. We code all day,
we QA all day, and we're using our workstations all day. Many companies
even pipe in white or pink noise to increase the background noise in the
workplace to drown out the noise from people talking or keyboard
clattering. Of course, in the alpha lab there's no need for white noise
since all the fans in the computers are pretty loud.

We have cubicles setup for 1 person but some are setup for 4 people.
Generally it's a pretty quick place to work with the occasional call out
across the cubicles. Don't get many phone calls at work. Internal
e-mail or messaging handles that and I don't work in Sales but in QA.
The sales folks get their own closed cubicles or offices because of the
noise of phone calls.

So now imagine all employees having to use Cortana. For the same reason
that sales folks have to be secluded is the same reason you would need
to enclose every Cortana user.

Complete nonsense. No one said anything about having to use speech
recognition software. The premise was that it would be available, just as it
has been available on smartphones for years.

And why many surmise it'll be yet another glitzy feature that goes
unused. Remember the premise of this discussion was the *use* of
Cortana, not on ignoring it.

Twas bad enough with all the cell phones used at work. Now we get
voice-actuated computers to add to the din. Not everyone at work is
using their cell phone every minute of the day; however, the Cortana
users will be prattling all day long. Because of the din caused by
constant voice recognition software, I'm sure companies will either
delete Cortana from their sysprep installs on their workstations or have
to redesign their workplaces to isolate the din.

I don't believe any of that is true. It sounds completely made up.

Oh, never went grocery shopping, never been in a store, never had to
wait for a bus, never tried to listen to a stage play or opera without
having to listen to cell phone ringing and people chatting on their
little box. Uh huh, sure, that's never happened to you. Or maybe you
are one of those constantly prattling on a cell phone so you don't hear
all the other cell phone users; i.e., you're part of the din.

Oh sure, there won't be any noise in the office full or workstations
where Cortana is *used*. What the **** you think happens when a group of
employees gather at some spot and start discussing something? Silence
disappears. Now, and considering this thread is about *using* Cortana,
what do you think will have in the office environment with a bunch of
employees talking at their computers? Oh, you thought it would get
quieter? Yeah, right. Making noise must surely incur more silence.

In sysprep of their workstations, any company can decide what features
to omit or include in the image they place on their workstations.

Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Just look at what happened when grocery shopping. Used to be you went
to the store, hunted around for your purchases, and the noisest place
was at the cash register. Now there are shoppers with cell phones
against their heads or hooked onto their ears yakking away in the
grocery store (and everywhere else). While standing in line to
checkout, you hear them wasting minutes on the most worthless prattle.
Standing at the bus stop, walking the street, in the movies (without
cell phone killers), in the stores and malls, and everywhere there's now
more noise from cell phone junkies just yakking away.

You need to move to my area, where it's much more civilized.

Where's that? Out on a farm?

Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Just look at what happened when grocery shopping. Used to be you went
to the store, hunted around for your purchases, and the noisest place
was at the cash register. Now there are shoppers with cell phones
against their heads or hooked onto their ears yakking away in the
grocery store (and everywhere else). While standing in line to
checkout, you hear them wasting minutes on the most worthless prattle.
Standing at the bus stop, walking the street, in the movies (without
cell phone killers), in the stores and malls, and everywhere there's now
more noise from cell phone junkies just yakking away.

You need to move to my area, where it's much more civilized.

Where's that? Out on a farm?

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 19:36:20 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
from home.

I work and have worked at software development houses. We code all day,
we QA all day, and we're using our workstations all day. Many companies
even pipe in white or pink noise to increase the background noise in the
workplace to drown out the noise from people talking or keyboard
clattering. Of course, in the alpha lab there's no need for white noise
since all the fans in the computers are pretty loud.

We have cubicles setup for 1 person but some are setup for 4 people.
Generally it's a pretty quick place to work with the occasional call out
across the cubicles. Don't get many phone calls at work. Internal
e-mail or messaging handles that and I don't work in Sales but in QA.
The sales folks get their own closed cubicles or offices because of the
noise of phone calls.

So now imagine all employees having to use Cortana. For the same reason
that sales folks have to be secluded is the same reason you would need
to enclose every Cortana user.

Complete nonsense. No one said anything about having to use speech
recognition software. The premise was that it would be available, just as it
has been available on smartphones for years.

And why many surmise it'll be yet another glitzy feature that goes
unused. Remember the premise of this discussion was the *use* of
Cortana, not on ignoring it.

Actually, the premise was based on the *availability* of speech recognition.
Somehow, you morphed it into "all employees having to use Cortana".

If I go with you on your morph journey, then I agree with you, but that's
not where we are.

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 19:36:20 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:26 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

Alternatively, just visit a modern workplace and see for yourself that your
concerns are almost completely unfounded. I'm guessing you normally work
from home.

I work and have worked at software development houses. We code all day,
we QA all day, and we're using our workstations all day. Many companies
even pipe in white or pink noise to increase the background noise in the
workplace to drown out the noise from people talking or keyboard
clattering. Of course, in the alpha lab there's no need for white noise
since all the fans in the computers are pretty loud.

We have cubicles setup for 1 person but some are setup for 4 people.
Generally it's a pretty quick place to work with the occasional call out
across the cubicles. Don't get many phone calls at work. Internal
e-mail or messaging handles that and I don't work in Sales but in QA.
The sales folks get their own closed cubicles or offices because of the
noise of phone calls.

So now imagine all employees having to use Cortana. For the same reason
that sales folks have to be secluded is the same reason you would need
to enclose every Cortana user.

Complete nonsense. No one said anything about having to use speech
recognition software. The premise was that it would be available, just as it
has been available on smartphones for years.

And why many surmise it'll be yet another glitzy feature that goes
unused. Remember the premise of this discussion was the *use* of
Cortana, not on ignoring it.

Actually, the premise was based on the *availability* of speech recognition.
Somehow, you morphed it into "all employees having to use Cortana".

If I go with you on your morph journey, then I agree with you, but that's
not where we are.