Recovery partition

I have win10 installed in a Virtual Machine

Just for the heck of it...from within Win10 I ran disk management

and see that in addition to the expected "boot" and "system" partitions
there is a 450 meg "recovery" partition.


The seems to be something new with Win10

does anyone know what it is?


When I Googled all I found were others who also asked but there were no
replies.



Just be be clear: This is a partition created by Win10

not a machine manufacturer's recovery partition

philo wrote:
I have win10 installed in a Virtual Machine

Just for the heck of it...from within Win10 I ran disk management

and see that in addition to the expected "boot" and "system" partitions
there is a 450 meg "recovery" partition.


The seems to be something new with Win10

does anyone know what it is?


When I Googled all I found were others who also asked but there were no
replies.



Just be be clear: This is a partition created by Win10

not a machine manufacturer's recovery partition

My Win8.1 machines have the same three partitions, but the recovery ones
are well over 4GB in size.
It's a startling reduction in size.
I'm assuming, of course, that it performs the same function; ie a
factory reset.

Ed

On 02/25/2015 12:05 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:



Just be be clear: This is a partition created by Win10

not a machine manufacturer's recovery partition

My Win8.1 machines have the same three partitions, but the recovery ones
are well over 4GB in size.
It's a startling reduction in size.
I'm assuming, of course, that it performs the same function; ie a
factory reset.

Ed




I also have Win8 installed in a Virtual Machine and it has no such
partition.


At any rate this is absolutely not a manufacturer's recovery partition

philo wrote:
On 02/25/2015 12:05 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:



Just be be clear: This is a partition created by Win10

not a machine manufacturer's recovery partition

My Win8.1 machines have the same three partitions, but the recovery ones
are well over 4GB in size.
It's a startling reduction in size.
I'm assuming, of course, that it performs the same function; ie a
factory reset.

Ed




I also have Win8 installed in a Virtual Machine and it has no such
partition.


At any rate this is absolutely not a manufacturer's recovery partition

Mine are OEM installations, so maybe the recovery partitions include the
OS plus all the original software (so much of it being just junk that I
immediately uninstall).

Does the native Win10 come with the option to recover to initial
installation?

Ed

On 02/25/2015 12:52 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:




I also have Win8 installed in a Virtual Machine and it has no such
partition.


At any rate this is absolutely not a manufacturer's recovery partition

Mine are OEM installations, so maybe the recovery partitions include the
OS plus all the original software (so much of it being just junk that I
immediately uninstall).

Does the native Win10 come with the option to recover to initial
installation?

Ed



Looks like it does...will have to examine further.

On 02/25/2015 02:02 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/25/2015 12:52 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:




I also have Win8 installed in a Virtual Machine and it has no such
partition.


At any rate this is absolutely not a manufacturer's recovery partition

Mine are OEM installations, so maybe the recovery partitions include the
OS plus all the original software (so much of it being just junk that I
immediately uninstall).

Does the native Win10 come with the option to recover to initial
installation?

Ed



Looks like it does...will have to examine further.



From within Windows, the partition is locked but accessing the
partition by booting from and alternative iso I see that among other
things there is a Winre.wim Windows recovery image file

On 2015-02-25, philo wrote:
On 02/25/2015 02:02 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/25/2015 12:52 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:




I also have Win8 installed in a Virtual Machine and it has no such
partition.


At any rate this is absolutely not a manufacturer's recovery partition

Mine are OEM installations, so maybe the recovery partitions include the
OS plus all the original software (so much of it being just junk that I
immediately uninstall).

Does the native Win10 come with the option to recover to initial
installation?

Ed



Looks like it does...will have to examine further.



From within Windows, the partition is locked but accessing the
partition by booting from and alternative iso I see that among other
things there is a Winre.wim Windows recovery image file

I've installed the win 10 using the ms site's "upgrade" onto my 5 yr
old laptop. Haven't looked at the disk manager but will definitely
check tonight.

On boot up, I do get a "boot screen"(?) that has the option of running
win 10 or do a rollback(!).

Wonder when win 10 is released, whether
the OEM's hidden partition will/could be changed from the win7 to
a win 10 recovery partition....

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:21:22 -0600, philo wrote:

On 02/25/2015 02:02 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/25/2015 12:52 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:




I also have Win8 installed in a Virtual Machine and it has no such
partition.


At any rate this is absolutely not a manufacturer's recovery partition

Mine are OEM installations, so maybe the recovery partitions include the
OS plus all the original software (so much of it being just junk that I
immediately uninstall).

Does the native Win10 come with the option to recover to initial
installation?

Ed



Looks like it does...will have to examine further.

From within Windows, the partition is locked but accessing the
partition by booting from and alternative iso I see that among other
things there is a Winre.wim Windows recovery image file

Let's hope there is some form of access to it, in case one ever actually
needs to recover :-)

Like Press Shift-Ctrl-Alt-F7 during POST. Obviously I made that up, but
I wonder if it's obvious - or at least documented - how to start the
recovery process.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

philo wrote:
On 02/25/2015 02:02 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/25/2015 12:52 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:




I also have Win8 installed in a Virtual Machine and it has no such
partition.


At any rate this is absolutely not a manufacturer's recovery partition

Mine are OEM installations, so maybe the recovery partitions include the
OS plus all the original software (so much of it being just junk that I
immediately uninstall).

Does the native Win10 come with the option to recover to initial
installation?

Ed



Looks like it does...will have to examine further.



From within Windows, the partition is locked but accessing the
partition by booting from and alternative iso I see that among other
things there is a Winre.wim Windows recovery image file

I checked mine, and it doesn't have that (a third partition).
It has the three partitions that I had setup (MBR setup). Maybe
yours uses a GPT setup ?

I think I installed Win10 (makes two partitions), then used
Disk Management to define a third DATA partition to fill out
the 500GB drive. There is no room for another partition to
"sneak in".

I have not accepted the latest Win10 upgrade install, so
perhaps it is that element which is missing from my setup.
Something that happens during the latest update ?

Paul

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:30:20 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:21:22 -0600, philo wrote:

On 02/25/2015 02:02 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/25/2015 12:52 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:




I also have Win8 installed in a Virtual Machine and it has no such
partition.


At any rate this is absolutely not a manufacturer's recovery partition

Mine are OEM installations, so maybe the recovery partitions include the
OS plus all the original software (so much of it being just junk that I
immediately uninstall).

Does the native Win10 come with the option to recover to initial
installation?

Ed



Looks like it does...will have to examine further.

From within Windows, the partition is locked but accessing the
partition by booting from and alternative iso I see that among other
things there is a Winre.wim Windows recovery image file

Let's hope there is some form of access to it, in case one ever actually
needs to recover :-)

Like Press Shift-Ctrl-Alt-F7 during POST. Obviously I made that up, but
I wonder if it's obvious - or at least documented - how to start the
recovery process.

Isn't the recovery process started from the F8 procedure? That's where
it's always been in the earlier systems.

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:26:58 -0800, Geoff wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:30:20 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:21:22 -0600, philo wrote:

On 02/25/2015 02:02 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/25/2015 12:52 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:




I also have Win8 installed in a Virtual Machine and it has no such
partition.


At any rate this is absolutely not a manufacturer's recovery partition

Mine are OEM installations, so maybe the recovery partitions include the
OS plus all the original software (so much of it being just junk that I
immediately uninstall).

Does the native Win10 come with the option to recover to initial
installation?

Ed



Looks like it does...will have to examine further.

From within Windows, the partition is locked but accessing the
partition by booting from and alternative iso I see that among other
things there is a Winre.wim Windows recovery image file

Let's hope there is some form of access to it, in case one ever actually
needs to recover :-)

Like Press Shift-Ctrl-Alt-F7 during POST. Obviously I made that up, but
I wonder if it's obvious - or at least documented - how to start the
recovery process.

Isn't the recovery process started from the F8 procedure? That's where
it's always been in the earlier systems.

I've never done it, at least not in the last five or ten years, or even
much worried about it, so I don't know - and I was too lazy to look it
up. Yeah, bad boy :-)

Partly, I was noticing (and being very indirect in saying it) that philo
had found the file but didn't say how he could get to use it. I figured
either he knows already, or else finding out[1] could be his homework
assignment :-)

[1] For himself, really.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:30:41 -0500, Paul wrote:

I checked mine, and it doesn't have that (a third partition).
It has the three partitions that I had setup (MBR setup). Maybe
yours uses a GPT setup ?

I think I installed Win10 (makes two partitions), then used
Disk Management to define a third DATA partition to fill out
the 500GB drive. There is no room for another partition to
"sneak in".

If you have three primary partitions, there's room for one more primary,
right? Or one extended, containing one or more logicals.

Looks like it does...will have to examine further.



From within Windows, the partition is locked but accessing the
partition by booting from and alternative iso I see that among other
things there is a Winre.wim Windows recovery image file

I've installed the win 10 using the ms site's "upgrade" onto my 5 yr
old laptop. Haven't looked at the disk manager but will definitely
check tonight.

On boot up, I do get a "boot screen"(?) that has the option of running
win 10 or do a rollback(!).

Wonder when win 10 is released, whether
the OEM's hidden partition will/could be changed from the win7 to
a win 10 recovery partition....




Will be interesting to see what happens but it does appear that Win10
will have a recovery partition built-in to the installation.

Thought it's a locked partition I'm sure it's not 100% impervious to a
virus attack of some type...but should probably be reasonably safe from harm

On 02/25/2015 03:30 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:21:22 -0600, philo wrote:

On 02/25/2015 02:02 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/25/2015 12:52 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:




I also have Win8 installed in a Virtual Machine and it has no such
partition.


At any rate this is absolutely not a manufacturer's recovery partition

Mine are OEM installations, so maybe the recovery partitions include the
OS plus all the original software (so much of it being just junk that I
immediately uninstall).

Does the native Win10 come with the option to recover to initial
installation?

Ed



Looks like it does...will have to examine further.

From within Windows, the partition is locked but accessing the
partition by booting from and alternative iso I see that among other
things there is a Winre.wim Windows recovery image file

Let's hope there is some form of access to it, in case one ever actually
needs to recover :-)

Like Press Shift-Ctrl-Alt-F7 during POST. Obviously I made that up, but
I wonder if it's obvious - or at least documented - how to start the
recovery process.




Yes, I am quite sure it will be used during a recovery...it's simply not
accessible though Windows Explorer or Disk Management

On 02/25/2015 03:30 PM, Paul wrote:
philo wrote:
On 02/25/2015 02:02 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/25/2015 12:52 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:




I also have Win8 installed in a Virtual Machine and it has no such
partition.


At any rate this is absolutely not a manufacturer's recovery partition

Mine are OEM installations, so maybe the recovery partitions include
the
OS plus all the original software (so much of it being just junk that I
immediately uninstall).

Does the native Win10 come with the option to recover to initial
installation?

Ed



Looks like it does...will have to examine further.



From within Windows, the partition is locked but accessing the
partition by booting from and alternative iso I see that among other
things there is a Winre.wim Windows recovery image file

I checked mine, and it doesn't have that (a third partition).
It has the three partitions that I had setup (MBR setup). Maybe
yours uses a GPT setup ?

I think I installed Win10 (makes two partitions), then used
Disk Management to define a third DATA partition to fill out
the 500GB drive. There is no room for another partition to
"sneak in".

I have not accepted the latest Win10 upgrade install, so
perhaps it is that element which is missing from my setup.
Something that happens during the latest update ?

Paul




I took no steps to create the recovery partition but did perform several
upgrades so I don't know if it was created right from the beginning or
if it happened during an upgrade.

I do have a hard drive in my shop that has Win10 on it that was not
upgraded...so will have to check on of these days.

Since Win10 is still under development I'm not finding anything on
Google yet.