windows 10 next release

On 03/12/2015 10:03 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:08:41 -0500, G. Morgan
wrote:


I have it on good authority RTM will be in late June to mid July.


My understanding is that it is scheduled for September (although it's
little more than a rumor at this stage; schedules *do* get changed,
and it can always be later than planned).

What is your "good authority" that says otherwise? Please provide a
link.


Its coming! We all need to be ready! And a special
thank you to all that are helping me to do that.

On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:03:38 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/12/2015 10:03 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:08:41 -0500, G. Morgan
wrote:


I have it on good authority RTM will be in late June to mid July.


My understanding is that it is scheduled for September (although it's
little more than a rumor at this stage; schedules *do* get changed,
and it can always be later than planned).

What is your "good authority" that says otherwise? Please provide a
link.


Its coming! We all need to be ready! And a special
thank you to all that are helping me to do that.


???? A non-answer to the question I asked?

Is there no answer because there is no "good authority RTM will be in
late June to mid July"?

On 03/12/2015 04:32 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:03:38 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/12/2015 10:03 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:08:41 -0500, G. Morgan
wrote:


I have it on good authority RTM will be in late June to mid July.


My understanding is that it is scheduled for September (although it's
little more than a rumor at this stage; schedules *do* get changed,
and it can always be later than planned).

What is your "good authority" that says otherwise? Please provide a
link.


Its coming! We all need to be ready! And a special
thank you to all that are helping me to do that.


???? A non-answer to the question I asked?

Is there no answer because there is no "good authority RTM will be in
late June to mid July"?


Hi Ken,

It was just small talk with a friend. I mistook your question
as a statement.

I see the release date all over the place. Mainly I get my
"rumors" from info world.

This is the best rumor I could find:
Windows 10 Release Date

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/window...windows-10.htm
"While no official release date has been announced
by Microsoft, Windows 10 is rumored to be released
sometime in Q4 2015, possibly in October."


I hope M$ takes their time and makes it right, rather
than rushing it to market. M$ has a habit of releasing
Beta code to the public as a general release (RTM).
Remember the rule about waiting till Service Pack 1 (on
M$ Software) before upgrading?

-T

I only found one bug in Fedora Code 21 Beta. They have
yet to fix it, but that is unusual. And when General
Release came out, the upgrade went perfectly.

I see 22 Alpha just came out. I promised the Xfce Live
folks I'd test when they had their spin (I know, it is
not a spin) ready.

"T" wrote in message ...
On 03/12/2015 07:49 AM, Dino wrote:
On 03/12/2015 07:33 AM, SC Tom wrote:

It's not the only way, but it is one way. Classic Shell will also do
that for free :-)

I am not a big windows user so is classic shell a downloadable program?

Hi Dino,

Classic Shell:
http://www.classicshell.net/

I install it frequently on Frankenstein (w8) compuyters
at my customer sites. (I don't use it becasue i need to
be fluent in the default that my custom's see.)

I have corresponded with the authors of the Classic
Shell. And, I do like their attitude.

I haven't test Classic shell with Son-of-Frankenstein
(w10 preview). I suppose I should and then remove it.
Anyone else try it yet in 10?

-T

I use it, and it works fine on my Win10 setup.
--
SC Tom

On 03/12/2015 08:34 PM, SC Tom wrote:


"T" wrote in message ...
On 03/12/2015 07:49 AM, Dino wrote:
On 03/12/2015 07:33 AM, SC Tom wrote:

It's not the only way, but it is one way. Classic Shell will also do
that for free :-)

I am not a big windows user so is classic shell a downloadable program?

Hi Dino,

Classic Shell:
http://www.classicshell.net/

I install it frequently on Frankenstein (w8) compuyters
at my customer sites. (I don't use it becasue i need to
be fluent in the default that my custom's see.)

I have corresponded with the authors of the Classic
Shell. And, I do like their attitude.

I haven't test Classic shell with Son-of-Frankenstein
(w10 preview). I suppose I should and then remove it.
Anyone else try it yet in 10?

-T

I use it, and it works fine on my Win10 setup.

Hi Tom,

Cool. Thank you for the feed back!

I wish it was still open source.

-T

"T" wrote in message ...
On 03/12/2015 08:34 PM, SC Tom wrote:


"T" wrote in message
...
On 03/12/2015 07:49 AM, Dino wrote:
On 03/12/2015 07:33 AM, SC Tom wrote:

It's not the only way, but it is one way. Classic Shell will also do
that for free :-)

I am not a big windows user so is classic shell a downloadable program?

Hi Dino,

Classic Shell:
http://www.classicshell.net/

I install it frequently on Frankenstein (w8) compuyters
at my customer sites. (I don't use it becasue i need to
be fluent in the default that my custom's see.)

I have corresponded with the authors of the Classic
Shell. And, I do like their attitude.

I haven't test Classic shell with Son-of-Frankenstein
(w10 preview). I suppose I should and then remove it.
Anyone else try it yet in 10?

-T

I use it, and it works fine on my Win10 setup.

Hi Tom,

Cool. Thank you for the feed back!

I wish it was still open source.

-T

Just to clarify, it's v4.2 Beta that works with Win10, not the regular
release of v4.1. I didn't try v4.1 since I read a number of posts stating
that it wouldn't install, so I went straight to the Beta release, and it
works fine. I guess it's a test release for a test OS :-)
--
SC Tom

On 03/13/2015 11:15 AM, SC Tom wrote:


"T" wrote in message ...
On 03/12/2015 08:34 PM, SC Tom wrote:


"T" wrote in message
...
On 03/12/2015 07:49 AM, Dino wrote:
On 03/12/2015 07:33 AM, SC Tom wrote:

It's not the only way, but it is one way. Classic Shell will also do
that for free :-)

I am not a big windows user so is classic shell a downloadable
program?

Hi Dino,

Classic Shell:
http://www.classicshell.net/

I install it frequently on Frankenstein (w8) compuyters
at my customer sites. (I don't use it becasue i need to
be fluent in the default that my custom's see.)

I have corresponded with the authors of the Classic
Shell. And, I do like their attitude.

I haven't test Classic shell with Son-of-Frankenstein
(w10 preview). I suppose I should and then remove it.
Anyone else try it yet in 10?

-T

I use it, and it works fine on my Win10 setup.

Hi Tom,

Cool. Thank you for the feed back!

I wish it was still open source.

-T

Just to clarify, it's v4.2 Beta that works with Win10, not the regular
release of v4.1. I didn't try v4.1 since I read a number of posts
stating that it wouldn't install, so I went straight to the Beta
release, and it works fine. I guess it's a test release for a test OS :-)

Thank you!

On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:48:42 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/12/2015 04:32 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:03:38 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/12/2015 10:03 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:08:41 -0500, G. Morgan
wrote:


I have it on good authority RTM will be in late June to mid July.


My understanding is that it is scheduled for September (although it's
little more than a rumor at this stage; schedules *do* get changed,
and it can always be later than planned).

What is your "good authority" that says otherwise? Please provide a
link.


Its coming! We all need to be ready! And a special
thank you to all that are helping me to do that.


???? A non-answer to the question I asked?

Is there no answer because there is no "good authority RTM will be in
late June to mid July"?


Hi Ken,

It was just small talk with a friend. I mistook your question
as a statement.

I see the release date all over the place. Mainly I get my
"rumors" from info world.

This is the best rumor I could find:
Windows 10 Release Date

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/window...windows-10.htm
"While no official release date has been announced
by Microsoft, Windows 10 is rumored to be released
sometime in Q4 2015, possibly in October."



Yes, that's not very different from the September release date that
I've heard.

But they are all rumors. Don't put too much faith in them.



I hope M$ takes their time and makes it right, rather
than rushing it to market.


With Microsoft or any other software company, it's always a war
between the marketing people (who want to release it *now*) and the
Quality Assurance people (who want to delay it longer and longer).
Unfortunately, with all the software companies, the marketing people
almost always win.



M$ has a habit of releasing
Beta code to the public as a general release (RTM).

Remember the rule about waiting till Service Pack 1 (on
M$ Software) before upgrading?



It's not a rule, but it's believed by many people. I completely
disagree. I'm never in favor of waiting for a Service Pack. The point
in time when a service pack is released is at the discretion of
Microsoft and is completely arbitrary. Upgrades and fixes to any
version of Windows are released when needed--once a month, normally,
but more often when necessary. At some arbitrary point, Microsoft
decides to roll up all those upgrades and fixes into one package and
calls the result a service pack.

There's no particular significance to when that service pack is
released, and it doesn't mark a special point of stability. There were
upgrades before it and there will be more upgrades after it. Since it
has no particular significance, treating it as a special event, and
waiting for it, is meaningless.

On 03/13/2015 02:04 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:48:42 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/12/2015 04:32 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:03:38 -0700, T wrote:

There's no particular significance to when that service pack is
released, and it doesn't mark a special point of stability. There were
upgrades before it and there will be more upgrades after it. Since it
has no particular significance, treating it as a special event, and
waiting for it, is meaningless.


I agree.

Vista cleaned up real well after Service Pack 2

Latest Info World rumor (with nothing new to say):
http://www.infoworld.com/article/289...go-faster.html

T wrote:
On 03/13/2015 02:04 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:48:42 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/12/2015 04:32 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:03:38 -0700, T wrote:

There's no particular significance to when that service pack is
released, and it doesn't mark a special point of stability. There were
upgrades before it and there will be more upgrades after it. Since it
has no particular significance, treating it as a special event, and
waiting for it, is meaningless.


I agree.

Vista cleaned up real well after Service Pack 2

Latest Info World rumor (with nothing new to say):
http://www.infoworld.com/article/289...go-faster.html


The September date is picked to align with the perceived market.
Since the Win10 OS is "derivative", there's really no reason
for it to "slip" on the delivery date. Only if they got
adventurous, actually changed something, would there be
a risk of "blowing it".

Vista took five years to deliver, with lots of stops along
the way. And got rammed out, to suit a deadline. And then
required the Service Packs, to cover off the things
uncovered during the real test interval.

Later OSes (W7,W8,W8.1,W10) should be more derivative.
And there should be better control over schedules
and delivery dates.

I don't expect Microsoft will *ever* write another
desktop OS from scratch. They won't do a "Vista adventure"
again. We're past that point.

Paul

On 03/13/2015 05:07 PM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 03/13/2015 02:04 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:48:42 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/12/2015 04:32 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:03:38 -0700, T wrote:

There's no particular significance to when that service pack is
released, and it doesn't mark a special point of stability. There were
upgrades before it and there will be more upgrades after it. Since it
has no particular significance, treating it as a special event, and
waiting for it, is meaningless.


I agree.

Vista cleaned up real well after Service Pack 2

Latest Info World rumor (with nothing new to say):
http://www.infoworld.com/article/289...go-faster.html


The September date is picked to align with the perceived market.
Since the Win10 OS is "derivative", there's really no reason
for it to "slip" on the delivery date. Only if they got
adventurous, actually changed something, would there be
a risk of "blowing it".

Vista took five years to deliver, with lots of stops along
the way. And got rammed out, to suit a deadline. And then
required the Service Packs, to cover off the things
uncovered during the real test interval.

Later OSes (W7,W8,W8.1,W10) should be more derivative.
And there should be better control over schedules
and delivery dates.

I don't expect Microsoft will *ever* write another
desktop OS from scratch. They won't do a "Vista adventure"
again. We're past that point.

Paul

Hi Paul,

On your excellent point about marketing overriding
QC, there is a rule in business

It is better to be late and right, the customer
will forgive you, than to be on time and wrong,
the customer will never forgive you.

Apple is so often late to the market and they dominate
everyone that beat them to market.

My impression of so many M$ releases is that a lot
of it is beautifully polished and a pleasure to use,
and then suddenly, what the h--- is this? Like
it got ripped off the programmers desk and rammed
out the door.

When I was working for a company 25 years ago, a
customer had ordered 100,000+ U$D filter. The tech
was putting final touches on it getting it all tuned.
And, it was almost late and was on the way to being
about five days late. The tech went to the long
bathroom. The pendejo boss (his and mine), saw Fed Ex
was doing a pick up in the back, ripped the filter
off the technicians bench and shipped it.

The next day, corporate got a furious phone call from
the customer, loose connectors and all. When all shook
out, the technician got a reprimand (he almost quit
and was a millisecond away from decking the ass hole).
And the pendejo got a pat on the back for meeting
schedule. UNBELIEVABLE.

That same pendejo use to get in my face spitting
"JUST SHIP IT". He was the idiot that gave the foolish
date(s) and left me out of the process.

And as long as the pendejos of this world get away
with it, there will be no end to it. UNBELIEVABLE.
I have a bad feeling about Son-of-Frankenstein (w10).
Instead of selling it as "not as bad as Frankenstein",
they need to sell it with "Better than Windows 7"
AND FOLLOW THROUGH !!!

Excellent point you made about the service packs.
They are simple a collection of previous updates.

I like them because they have the superseded, conflicting
botched updates removed, that is why I use WSUS to update
a new W7 install. Sort of the same idea. Don't like
holding my breath hope the thing boots back up.

Not that you would want to but here is search listing
a bunch of M$'s botched updates:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=microsoft+botched+updates

My build of Son-of-Frankenstien only had one update
and it hosed the thing. I had to reinstall, which
I had to learn anyway, so what the heck ...
I just shook my head. W10 is going to be an interesting
ride.

-T

On 2015-03-13 9:47 PM, T wrote:
On 03/13/2015 05:07 PM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 03/13/2015 02:04 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:48:42 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/12/2015 04:32 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:03:38 -0700, T wrote:

There's no particular significance to when that service pack is
released, and it doesn't mark a special point of stability. There were
upgrades before it and there will be more upgrades after it. Since it
has no particular significance, treating it as a special event, and
waiting for it, is meaningless.


I agree.

Vista cleaned up real well after Service Pack 2

Latest Info World rumor (with nothing new to say):
http://www.infoworld.com/article/289...go-faster.html



The September date is picked to align with the perceived market.
Since the Win10 OS is "derivative", there's really no reason
for it to "slip" on the delivery date. Only if they got
adventurous, actually changed something, would there be
a risk of "blowing it".

Vista took five years to deliver, with lots of stops along
the way. And got rammed out, to suit a deadline. And then
required the Service Packs, to cover off the things
uncovered during the real test interval.

Later OSes (W7,W8,W8.1,W10) should be more derivative.
And there should be better control over schedules
and delivery dates.

I don't expect Microsoft will *ever* write another
desktop OS from scratch. They won't do a "Vista adventure"
again. We're past that point.

Paul

Hi Paul,

On your excellent point about marketing overriding
QC, there is a rule in business

It is better to be late and right, the customer
will forgive you, than to be on time and wrong,
the customer will never forgive you.

Apple is so often late to the market and they dominate
everyone that beat them to market.

Yet another lie from the idiot Linux advocate. Apple sure was late to
the market by providing the first decent portable MP3 player. I'd like
to remind you that they were also the first to release the first decent
tablet and the first decent ultrabook. As much as you'll enjoy pointing
out that others came before it, Apple was also the first to provide a
decent touch smartphone and now the first decent ultrabook with USB 3.1.
Before that, they were the first to have computers featuring
Thunderbolt. I don't know where you get your "facts," but they seem to
come from the same area as your excrement and smell the same.

My impression of so many M$ releases is that a lot
of it is beautifully polished and a pleasure to use,
and then suddenly, what the h--- is this? Like
it got ripped off the programmers desk and rammed
out the door.

Yeah, because people sure disliked Windows 7. It really felt "rushed,"
even in Beta, when there were few bugs for us to report and even fewer
performance issues to complain about.

And as long as the pendejos of this world get away
with it, there will be no end to it. UNBELIEVABLE.
I have a bad feeling about Son-of-Frankenstein (w10).
Instead of selling it as "not as bad as Frankenstein",
they need to sell it with "Better than Windows 7"
AND FOLLOW THROUGH !!!

You're insinuating that Windows 7 was bad. Just about everyone who used
it thought that it was the best version of Windows ever shipped. There's
a reason a lot of people refuse to upgrade to Windows 8.1 and it's not
only because of the modern interface; it's because of how perfect
Windows 7 is. I don't know why you feel the need to lie so much, but
nobody here is dumb enough to believe you. This place isn't filled with
ridiculous imbeciles like comp.os.linux.advocacy is.

I like them because they have the superseded, conflicting
botched updates removed, that is why I use WSUS to update
a new W7 install. Sort of the same idea. Don't like
holding my breath hope the thing boots back up.

You mean the way that Linux users have to hold their breath every time
they update because an updated language file can somehow make the system
unbootable?

--
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
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On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:04:00 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

It's not a rule, but it's believed by many people. I completely
disagree. I'm never in favor of waiting for a Service Pack. The point
in time when a service pack is released is at the discretion of
Microsoft and is completely arbitrary. Upgrades and fixes to any
version of Windows are released when needed--once a month, normally,
but more often when necessary. At some arbitrary point, Microsoft
decides to roll up all those upgrades and fixes into one package and
calls the result a service pack.

There's no particular significance to when that service pack is
released, and it doesn't mark a special point of stability. There were
upgrades before it and there will be more upgrades after it. Since it
has no particular significance, treating it as a special event, and
waiting for it, is meaningless.

Thanks, Ken. That was very well said. I've explained essentially the same
thing on many occasions, but probably not as eloquently as you just did.

Slimer wrote:

On 2015-03-13 9:47 PM, T wrote:
On 03/13/2015 05:07 PM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 03/13/2015 02:04 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:48:42 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/12/2015 04:32 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:03:38 -0700, T wrote:

There's no particular significance to when that service pack is
released, and it doesn't mark a special point of stability. There were
upgrades before it and there will be more upgrades after it. Since it
has no particular significance, treating it as a special event, and
waiting for it, is meaningless.


I agree.

Vista cleaned up real well after Service Pack 2

Latest Info World rumor (with nothing new to say):
http://www.infoworld.com/article/289...ms/windows-10-
beta-pace-fast-is-about-to-go-faster.html



The September date is picked to align with the perceived market.
Since the Win10 OS is "derivative", there's really no reason
for it to "slip" on the delivery date. Only if they got
adventurous, actually changed something, would there be
a risk of "blowing it".

Vista took five years to deliver, with lots of stops along
the way. And got rammed out, to suit a deadline. And then
required the Service Packs, to cover off the things
uncovered during the real test interval.

Later OSes (W7,W8,W8.1,W10) should be more derivative.
And there should be better control over schedules
and delivery dates.

I don't expect Microsoft will *ever* write another
desktop OS from scratch. They won't do a "Vista adventure"
again. We're past that point.

Paul

Hi Paul,

On your excellent point about marketing overriding
QC, there is a rule in business

It is better to be late and right, the customer
will forgive you, than to be on time and wrong,
the customer will never forgive you.

Apple is so often late to the market and they dominate
everyone that beat them to market.

Yet another lie from the idiot Linux advocate. Apple sure was late to
the market by providing the first decent portable MP3 player. I'd like
to remind you that they were also the first to release the first decent
tablet and the first decent ultrabook. As much as you'll enjoy pointing
out that others came before it, Apple was also the first to provide a
decent touch smartphone and now the first decent ultrabook with USB 3.1.
Before that, they were the first to have computers featuring
Thunderbolt. I don't know where you get your "facts," but they seem to
come from the same area as your excrement and smell the same.

My impression of so many M$ releases is that a lot
of it is beautifully polished and a pleasure to use,
and then suddenly, what the h--- is this? Like
it got ripped off the programmers desk and rammed
out the door.

Yeah, because people sure disliked Windows 7. It really felt "rushed,"
even in Beta, when there were few bugs for us to report and even fewer
performance issues to complain about.

And as long as the pendejos of this world get away
with it, there will be no end to it. UNBELIEVABLE.
I have a bad feeling about Son-of-Frankenstein (w10).
Instead of selling it as "not as bad as Frankenstein",
they need to sell it with "Better than Windows 7"
AND FOLLOW THROUGH !!!

You're insinuating that Windows 7 was bad. Just about everyone who used
it thought that it was the best version of Windows ever shipped. There's
a reason a lot of people refuse to upgrade to Windows 8.1 and it's not
only because of the modern interface; it's because of how perfect
Windows 7 is. I don't know why you feel the need to lie so much, but
nobody here is dumb enough to believe you. This place isn't filled with
ridiculous imbeciles like comp.os.linux.advocacy is.


I don't know why he keeps calling windows 8.1 a frankenstein os.
It is a way to bridge both the desktop and mobile devices. I don't see any
Linux distro doing that, considering the bloatedness of X11.

I like them because they have the superseded, conflicting
botched updates removed, that is why I use WSUS to update
a new W7 install. Sort of the same idea. Don't like
holding my breath hope the thing boots back up.

You mean the way that Linux users have to hold their breath every time
they update because an updated language file can somehow make the system
unbootable?


He's a Linux fanboi.

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:45:41 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:04:00 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

It's not a rule, but it's believed by many people. I completely
disagree. I'm never in favor of waiting for a Service Pack. The point
in time when a service pack is released is at the discretion of
Microsoft and is completely arbitrary. Upgrades and fixes to any
version of Windows are released when needed--once a month, normally,
but more often when necessary. At some arbitrary point, Microsoft
decides to roll up all those upgrades and fixes into one package and
calls the result a service pack.

There's no particular significance to when that service pack is
released, and it doesn't mark a special point of stability. There were
upgrades before it and there will be more upgrades after it. Since it
has no particular significance, treating it as a special event, and
waiting for it, is meaningless.

Thanks, Ken. That was very well said. I've explained essentially the same
thing on many occasions, but probably not as eloquently as you just did.



Thanks for agreeing, and thanks for the kind words.