windows 10 next release

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:37:00 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 18:34:25 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 14:19:12 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:01:03 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:53:34 -0700, T wrote:
[...]
Try my method: as soon as I see the word "Frankenstein" or the symbol
"M$", I press the spacebar. That takes me straightaway to the next
unread post.

Well, OK, if that's what you want to do. Not that what you do is
difficult, but why not use your killfile instead? It does the same
thing, but it's automatic and therefore easier.

I don't think T's stuff rises to the level of needing a plonk. It's easy
enough to do what I said when I see that he's lost objectivity again.

But right now, I'm not so sure, given his new vendetta against Char
Jackson. He's getting a bit obsessive about it, IMO.


We all have different views of how bad someone is. If you don't think
he needs a plonk, that's fine; it's your choice.

On the other hand, what you do is very close to what I do. We just do
it in different ways.

But I think he needs a plonk. He's gone here.

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 16:11:15 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:37:00 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 18:34:25 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 14:19:12 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:01:03 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:53:34 -0700, T wrote:
[...]
Try my method: as soon as I see the word "Frankenstein" or the symbol
"M$", I press the spacebar. That takes me straightaway to the next
unread post.

Well, OK, if that's what you want to do. Not that what you do is
difficult, but why not use your killfile instead? It does the same
thing, but it's automatic and therefore easier.

I don't think T's stuff rises to the level of needing a plonk. It's easy
enough to do what I said when I see that he's lost objectivity again.

But right now, I'm not so sure, given his new vendetta against Char
Jackson. He's getting a bit obsessive about it, IMO.

To be completely honest, I probably let his immaturity get the best of me.
The result was that I shifted away from responding to the content of his
posts and more toward the person doing the posting. That could be
uncomfortable for anyone.


"Immaturity" is a good word for him. I of course don't know for sure,
but my guess is that he's a teenager.

And if he's not a teenager, he certainly acts like one.

Hi, G.

That's why RTM's are supposed to be beta testers,...

Has that acronym changed? My understanding is that RTM means "Released to
Manufacturing". In other words, that is the final code that gets pressed
into billions of DVDs and shipped. Any bugs found post-RTM have to waif for
an update (or Service Pack) for correction. Nowadays, it also becomes RTW,
when Released To The Web for authorized users to download.

Or are those terms outdated already? You may have been thinking of the
"Release Candidate", which MSFT hopes will be RTM very soon.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro w/Media Center


"G. Morgan" wrote in message
...

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

It's not a rule, but it's believed by many people. I completely
disagree. I'm never in favor of waiting for a Service Pack. The point
in time when a service pack is released is at the discretion of
Microsoft and is completely arbitrary. Upgrades and fixes to any
version of Windows are released when needed--once a month, normally,
but more often when necessary. At some arbitrary point, Microsoft
decides to roll up all those upgrades and fixes into one package and
calls the result a service pack.


That's why RTM's are supposed to be beta testers, and report needed changes
BEFORE a retail release.

The RTM's *always* get leaked and people complain about bugs, forgetting
that
testing on the RTM is still two months or so before a retail version goes up
for sale.

On 03/16/2015 10:24 AM, G. Morgan wrote:
T wrote:

Be careful mixing common language with technical language.
Not everyone is speaking to you in technical language.


True. I don't know the technical level of the recipient. I may have even
called you out on hubs vs. switches since they are two very different devices.
Since MSFT has called Win 10 a "preview", I think that's pretty clear its not
a release. I wasn't trying to be mean about it, but when an official release
comes out it will be very different than what is out there now. It may "look"
the same, but previews are really a "skin" to show off and test user interest
in a particular feature. What is in the kernel is important to me.



Hi G.,

I was just making conversation. Please forgive me if I came
off as preachy. (I have been CRABBY lately and ...)

-T

On 03/15/2015 01:36 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
T wrote:

On 03/14/2015 09:57 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
It isn't... it is called bridging.

Hi Grey Cloud,

That is a nice term for ramming two technologies
together that don't belong together.


How do you know that they can't belong together? Looks to me like it
working for a lot of people.

Hi Grey Cloud,

Go a Google search on "Windows Sucks". Even my customers
with touch screens don't like it.

But that you like it is a good sign. What exactly did you do
to yours and and your customers to get them to like it?
(I do my best to make it look like W7). Any tips to help
my customers will be greatly appreciated. (I have to leave mine
the hard way, so I can see what my customers [initially] see.)


Consider the Gnome / Java bridge in Java Desktop for Solaris.
Or Cocoa / Python template bridge for OS X and Cocoa / Ruby template bridge
for OS X.

Not understanding your point.




Linux as an os is one thing, but trying to kludge together X11 with any UNIX
has been eventually a failure.

I would say it is still in the "pain in the neck" phase.

Sun tried to rectify it somewhat but it is
still a kludge.

Speaking of Sun, I used X Terminals with X11 on Solaris
about 22 years ago. It worked very nicely. But, have
not had the same experience since then.

ssh -l todd -t -X 192.168.255.185 /usr/bin/firefox -no-remote

sort of works, but you need a ton of bandwidth and processor
power. And, you have to hold your mouth correctly. (I love
xrdp.org for remote maintenance of a server, which ends runs
the thing.)


MS saw the problems from the beginning and just wrote their
own GUI from the ground up and does run faster despite what people say.
Apple bought out NextStep os that didn't use X11, and then refined the gui
for ease of use.

M$ doesn't allow you to run (float) programs on other computers
across a network. M$ may have had a point in trying to simplify
things.

Have you ever got into a discussion on who is the client and who is
the server with X11? Chuckle. Tempers can fly.

The vast majority of professionals do not want to tinker
with their PCs so they buy a system that is out of the box ready to run.

I would be the exception. I have to set it up myself and get it
tricked out the way I like. It is also good training.

These people have other things to do than waste their time trying to figure
out a problem on the PC.

Face it, X11 is getting long in the tooth and is in need of modernization.

1+

I would add that nVidia needs to do a better job of integrating with
it too!


W7 is okay. I wish it was faster and more stable, but it gets
the job done most of the time.

Get the best hardware and Win7 is stable. The commodity junk hardware you
see at Wallmart will cause you problems no matter what os you install on it.
I paid a lot more for this HP tower than on any Apple.

That is partially true. Take one of those unstable on
w7 computers and run a Fedora Xfce live CD on it. Suddenly
it is so stable it is boiler plate.

And the custom W7 computer I put together do not have anywhere
the problems el-cheap-o computers have, especially with the
automatic roll backs

M$ has dominated the market in the application
wars. And, unfortunately, I see no sign of that changing
any time soon.

That is because they were there first along with IBM.

And M$ had/has some brilliant marketing folks. They catered
straight to business.

Back in the 80s we had to keep the old vax 785 up. Once we shut it off for
a long weekend and came back and powered it back up... broken. The hardware
couldn't take the cold for some reason and then the heat it couldn't take
either... it had to run at 68 degrees F. But those days are over.

And the idiot power supplies surged, burn things out
that were weak.


They don't reject it. All I see are stores selling PCs and laptops with
win8.1 on them. Plus a few Apples. But I don't see any Linux PCs or
laptops for sale in the usual stores.

That is because M$ is playing hard ball with their
resellers. It is a bad situation.

Here are some links on declining sales due to Frankie.

https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg...n_3055157.html

https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg...op-In-PC-Sales

https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg...cent-hmm%2F%23!

"Following the debut of Windows 8, U.S. PC sales dropped by
more than a fifth versus sales from a year ago. This is
not a promising sign."

Most of the time when I find someone with Frankenstein
and zero (and I literally mean that) like it, it is because
they didn't ask me where to buy a Windows 7 machine.


And from my limited programing
experience, I can say that having the two separate would
have been a lot easier on the programmers.

Not at all. The programming differences are minor.
OS X is the heavy weight os for Apple and also Xcode supports both OS X and
iOS. iOS has a smaller foot print than OS X. Both run on top of 4.4BSD
UNIX, which runs on top of the micro kernel.

You can not run a iPad app on OSx. This is what I am referring to.

It would be sweet if there was a compiler that would
spit out Linux, OSx, and M$ at the same time. I think
I heard that Qt was trying to do that, but my memory
is not very good on that.

And the Metro apps get bitched about by a lot of their users.
I personally hate the things, but I want a business
grade workstation, not a tablet.



They know that the industry is going deeper into mobile. If they don't keep
up, they'd start sliding downhill and they can't afford to do that.

Agreed. I think they should have just gone the two separate
products route like Apple did.

-T

And, I would love some improvements in X too.

On 03/15/2015 08:04 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
Personally, I do not think of W8 as Frankenstein but I do see it as Vista redux.

Hi Stormin',

Interesting way of looking at it. M$ was/is being insensitive of their
users need in both instances. If they had not won the applications
wars, they would be in real trouble.


It takes a lot of work and Classic Shell to bring the GUI back to a logical,
business friendly interface. After getting two machines with 8.1 and giving
them a fair evaluation period, I decided there were no real advantages to 8.1
for my business so I wiped them and applied a W7 image.

I had a small business customer that did not ask me and just went out
and bought some Frankenstein computer on his own. They were
on fire sale prices. When he presented them to me, I told him
he wasn't going to like it. He told me it can be that bad.
Chuckle! I make him promise not to blame me before I started.

When they started trying to jam sp1 on and everything went to hell
he called up Dell and returned them. He couldn't take it any more.
If it wasn't one thing, it was another. I have forgotten
what I had to do to his M$ Server to get it to network, but
it was obscure.

Then he went to Costco and bought a bunch of W7 workstation (also
from Dell). He hasn't had a problem since. And we are still on
speaking terms. He kept his promise. Sometimes you get blamed
for these things because your are physically closer.


You guys can do what you like, but I never think it is a good idea to try and
censor what people say just because I don't like their thought process.

Sensor is exactly what it is. (I know, it doesn't really work, but
they try anyway.) And worse, you have a hard time trusting
what comes out of their mouths. Is their advice real or just
their agenda? M$ not having update issues takes the cake.

Now, if someone is being abusive towards others or trolling, then the bit bucket
is the perfect place for them.

Worry when others with hold information or are rude and condescending
to others. Not when they are lampoon a crappy product.

T seems like a reasonable sort of guy and he certainly brings a different,
not-a-MS-sycophant perspective to the group. I suspect the use of
"Frankenstein" as a pseudonym will get old for him soon enough.

It is such a good description of the mistakes that were made
that it doesn't seem to be wearing off. I even call it
Frankenstein to M$'s face when I have to call them. They
take it with a grain of salt. (At least I am not swearing
at them. Probably the nicest guy they had on the phone all
day. I make sure they know I am not holding them personally
responsible and do appreciate their help.)

Let's face it,
very few things or people improve as a result of adoration, it is constructive
criticism and profit which drives innovation and improvement.

All just my humble opinions.

Thank you for the kind words.

-T

On 03/16/2015 01:29 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 21:33:37 +0000, Stormin' Norman wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 14:21:08 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:04:11 +0000, Stormin' Norman wrote:

I suspect the use of
"Frankenstein" as a pseudonym will get old for him soon enough.

There's no evidence of that.


Well, now he knows it irritates some people, he might ride the poor horse until
it drops from exhaustion. Kind of like me telling my wife I don't like lasagna
with part-skim ricotta and or mozzarella cheese. I should have kept my ****ing
mouth shut because she has insisted on using it for the past ten years. If I
had not said anything, I am sure we would have gone back to artery clogging
cheese nine years ago.

Now, if I want to cheat on my wife, I go to the local Italian restaurant for
lunch..... ;-)

I can't tactfully speak to your taste in lunch (JOKE!), but I can tell
you that T, alias Todd, has heard others' opinions about his inability
to avoid his prejudiced terminology for a long time, and has indicated
he has no intention of changing.


He is correct.

"prejudiced terminology", oh brother.

On 03/16/2015 04:45 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 20:38:34 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:29:16 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

I can't tactfully speak to your taste in lunch (JOKE!), but I can tell
you that T, alias Todd, has heard others' opinions about his inability
to avoid his prejudiced terminology for a long time, and has indicated
he has no intention of changing.

Oh well, if we were all alike life would be very boring.


Nobody here wants us to be alike. But some of us do want us all to be
polite and not vituperative in our language.


It is just fine to lampoon crappy products. It is not
fine to withhold information because it offends your
favorite vendor, or to be rude and condescending to
others (not you).

On 03/16/2015 05:34 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 16:45:40 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 20:38:34 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:29:16 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

I can't tactfully speak to your taste in lunch (JOKE!), but I can tell
you that T, alias Todd, has heard others' opinions about his inability
to avoid his prejudiced terminology for a long time, and has indicated
he has no intention of changing.

Oh well, if we were all alike life would be very boring.


Nobody here wants us to be alike. But some of us do want us all to be
polite and not vituperative in our language.

That is FAR too controlling for my tastes. Who would be arbiter of politeness
and vituperativeness? What if "T" were the arbiter,

Me "Arbitrator?" Now that would be interesting. Everyone
would be required to call me "The Dude!"

I doubt you would like that
anymore than he would want you to be the arbiter.

No, I would rather have true freedom of expression than moderated, censored or
politically correct speech that adheres to any individual's or group's concept
of propriety.

General Colin Powell said:

"The First Amendment exists to insure that freedom of speech and expression
applies not just to that with which we agree or disagree, but also that which we
find outrageous."

One of my favorite, modern aphorisms.

1+

I put this county's uniform on and put my life on hte
table for that concept. I may not agree with what
you say, but will defend your right to say it.

-T (A.K.A. "The Dude!")


Wait, why am I wring you? Dang. I forgot again. I hate
it when that happens. YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN! I have a
lawn? Is Clark still in the Navy? :-)

On 03/16/2015 06:53 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 00:46:52 -0700, T wrote:

Hi Guy,

You all remember when M$ canceled their newsgroups and
went to censored forums?

I kind of freaked out a bit. I have had to use them, found
that if you said anything critical of M$ that you got your
question pulled, and sometimes got outright lied to.

Two pearls of wisdom for you "T". I wish I had learned and taken them to heart
while a child.


“Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more
difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.�

-Benjamin Franklin


"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do."

-Benjamin Franklin



All true. An undisciplined tough can really get you into
trouble.

-T

“Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority
off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more.�
― Mark Twain

Stormin' Norman wrote in
news
On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 16:45:40 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 20:38:34 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:29:16 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

I can't tactfully speak to your taste in lunch (JOKE!), but I can
tell you that T, alias Todd, has heard others' opinions about his
inability to avoid his prejudiced terminology for a long time, and
has indicated he has no intention of changing.

Oh well, if we were all alike life would be very boring.


Nobody here wants us to be alike. But some of us do want us all to be
polite and not vituperative in our language.

That is FAR too controlling for my tastes. Who would be arbiter of
politeness and vituperativeness? What if "T" were the arbiter, I
doubt you would like that anymore than he would want you to be the
arbiter.

No, I would rather have true freedom of expression than moderated,
censored or politically correct speech that adheres to any
individual's or group's concept of propriety.

General Colin Powell said:

"The First Amendment exists to insure that freedom of speech and
expression applies not just to that with which we agree or disagree,
but also that which we find outrageous."

One of my favorite, modern aphorisms.

+1 on that

On 03/16/2015 04:50 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
To be completely honest, I probably let his immaturity get the best of me.
The result was that I shifted away from responding to the content of his
posts and more toward the person doing the posting. That could be
uncomfortable for anyone.

"Immaturity" is a good word for him. I of course don't know for sure,
but my guess is that he's a teenager.

And if he's not a teenager, he certainly acts like one.


Did the condescending make you two feel better?

"T" wrote in message ...
On 03/15/2015 08:04 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
Personally, I do not think of W8 as Frankenstein but I do see it as Vista
redux.

Hi Stormin',

Interesting way of looking at it. M$ was/is being insensitive of their
users need in both instances. If they had not won the applications
wars, they would be in real trouble.


It takes a lot of work and Classic Shell to bring the GUI back to a
logical,
business friendly interface. After getting two machines with 8.1 and
giving
them a fair evaluation period, I decided there were no real advantages to
8.1
for my business so I wiped them and applied a W7 image.

I had a small business customer that did not ask me and just went out
and bought some Frankenstein computer on his own. They were
on fire sale prices. When he presented them to me, I told him
he wasn't going to like it. He told me it can be that bad.
Chuckle! I make him promise not to blame me before I started.


If you tell someone they're not going to like it, they probably won't,
whether it's any good or not (and not just concerning operating systems).
You've already prejudiced them with how YOU feel instead of letting them
decide for themselves.
I remember when XP first came out. One of the guys at work jumped right on
it, and would come in daily with horror stories of having to restore to his
old OS (I think he had 95, but it may have been ME, like I had) a few times
before getting it stable (his backups were on tape, so you can imagine how
much fun THAT was). He said "XP" stood for "X-tra Painful" and wasn't too
sure if he was going to keep it or not. When I decided to take the plunge, I
was already a little leery of it. I made sure I had a recent backup of my
system, then dove right in. In a relatively short time, I had it up and
running with only one problem- an EIDE driver that hadn't been updated by my
MB manufacturer yet (made the whole system run painfully slow). Once I found
that driver update, it ran like a champ. I couldn't understand why he had so
many problems, but I went in thinking I would have the same nightmare, just
from his experience. I was naturally pleasantly surprised when mine went
quite smoothly. But I was already biased against it, just on the word of one
person. Go figure :-)



When they started trying to jam sp1 on and everything went to hell
he called up Dell and returned them. He couldn't take it any more.
If it wasn't one thing, it was another. I have forgotten
what I had to do to his M$ Server to get it to network, but
it was obscure.

Then he went to Costco and bought a bunch of W7 workstation (also
from Dell). He hasn't had a problem since. And we are still on
speaking terms. He kept his promise. Sometimes you get blamed
for these things because your are physically closer.


You guys can do what you like, but I never think it is a good idea to try
and
censor what people say just because I don't like their thought process.

Sensor is exactly what it is. (I know, it doesn't really work, but
they try anyway.) And worse, you have a hard time trusting
what comes out of their mouths. Is their advice real or just
their agenda? M$ not having update issues takes the cake.

Now, if someone is being abusive towards others or trolling, then the bit
bucket
is the perfect place for them.

Worry when others with hold information or are rude and condescending
to others. Not when they are lampoon a crappy product.

T seems like a reasonable sort of guy and he certainly brings a
different,
not-a-MS-sycophant perspective to the group. I suspect the use of
"Frankenstein" as a pseudonym will get old for him soon enough.

It is such a good description of the mistakes that were made
that it doesn't seem to be wearing off. I even call it
Frankenstein to M$'s face when I have to call them. They
take it with a grain of salt. (At least I am not swearing
at them. Probably the nicest guy they had on the phone all
day. I make sure they know I am not holding them personally
responsible and do appreciate their help.)

Let's face it,
very few things or people improve as a result of adoration, it is
constructive
criticism and profit which drives innovation and improvement.

All just my humble opinions.

Thank you for the kind words.

-T

On 2015-03-17 1:51 AM, T wrote:
On 03/15/2015 01:36 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
T wrote:

On 03/14/2015 09:57 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
It isn't... it is called bridging.

Hi Grey Cloud,

That is a nice term for ramming two technologies
together that don't belong together.


How do you know that they can't belong together? Looks to me like it
working for a lot of people.

Hi Grey Cloud,

Go a Google search on "Windows Sucks". Even my customers
with touch screens don't like it.

But that you like it is a good sign. What exactly did you do
to yours and and your customers to get them to like it?
(I do my best to make it look like W7). Any tips to help
my customers will be greatly appreciated. (I have to leave mine
the hard way, so I can see what my customers [initially] see.)

I sincerely doubt that you actually care what he has to say. You have an
agenda here and it is to spread lies about Linux's stability at the
expense of Windows. Pretending to be a "good guy" seems to be part of
your strategy.

W7 is okay. I wish it was faster and more stable, but it gets
the job done most of the time.

Get the best hardware and Win7 is stable. The commodity junk hardware
you
see at Wallmart will cause you problems no matter what os you install
on it.
I paid a lot more for this HP tower than on any Apple.

That is partially true. Take one of those unstable on
w7 computers and run a Fedora Xfce live CD on it. Suddenly
it is so stable it is boiler plate.

And the custom W7 computer I put together do not have anywhere
the problems el-cheap-o computers have, especially with the
automatic roll backs

I'm sure that it has NOTHING at all to do with the fact that Fedora is a
clean install whereas the "unstable" Windows machine was packed with
third-party software. I'm sure that a clean installation of Windows 7
wouldn't have resulted in the same thing.

As for Fedora, it might be stable for some things but it isn't all too
perfect. Many people, myself included, had to suffer through the
distribution's insistence that Mozilla applications would load three
times slower than their Windows counterparts and even the same software
in other distros.

--
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

On 2015-03-17 2:08 AM, T wrote:
On 03/15/2015 08:04 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
Personally, I do not think of W8 as Frankenstein but I do see it as
Vista redux.

Hi Stormin',

Interesting way of looking at it. M$ was/is being insensitive of their
users need in both instances. If they had not won the applications
wars, they would be in real trouble.

Another lie. While some people might be afraid of Windows 8 and not like
it, many actually liked the change and especially appreciated it on
their tablets and touchscreen desktops and laptops. If you stopped being
such a judgmental **** for a bit, you might be able to acknowledge the
fact that many people have an opinion that differs significantly from
the one that you think they _should_ have.

It takes a lot of work and Classic Shell to bring the GUI back to a
logical,
business friendly interface. After getting two machines with 8.1 and
giving
them a fair evaluation period, I decided there were no real advantages
to 8.1
for my business so I wiped them and applied a W7 image.

I had a small business customer that did not ask me and just went out
and bought some Frankenstein computer on his own. They were
on fire sale prices. When he presented them to me, I told him
he wasn't going to like it. He told me it can be that bad.
Chuckle! I make him promise not to blame me before I started.

When they started trying to jam sp1 on and everything went to hell
he called up Dell and returned them. He couldn't take it any more.
If it wasn't one thing, it was another. I have forgotten
what I had to do to his M$ Server to get it to network, but
it was obscure.

Then he went to Costco and bought a bunch of W7 workstation (also
from Dell). He hasn't had a problem since. And we are still on
speaking terms. He kept his promise. Sometimes you get blamed
for these things because your are physically closer.

The _horror_ of having a Windows 8 computer and being able to run every
application under the sun in a slightly different interface. It might be
INCREDIBLY PAINFUL to have to take about thirty seconds to set the
operating system to boot to desktop. You're probably the worst employee
on the planet if you'd rather spend your time complaining and bitching
about an operating system rather than customizing it to suit the needs
of your customers. It's a surprise that you're still employed.

--
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.