Asked M$ to post ISO when they post fast track

On 04/21/2015 03:21 PM, mechanic wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 10:54:00 -0700, T wrote:

Steve Jobs would go to each engineer one at a time
and ask them what they thought. The iPod (Apple's
stock symbol, no?) was a good example.

You misunderstand Steve's role - he was demanding the engineers
build his vision which he would then sell to the public. When the
'three products in one' was announced, that was product design by
marketers who understood what was needed before the customers did.
Genius.


And when the public rejected his stuff, it was immediately
pulled. Steve would have never tolerated Frankenstein and
Sons (W8 and W10). Steve took his customer base very, very
seriously.

On 4/22/2015 2:48 PM, T wrote:
On 04/21/2015 11:48 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 10:42:43 -0700, T wrote:

On 04/20/2015 10:57 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 21:13:47 -0700, T wrote:

On 04/20/2015 08:15 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 16:18:42 -0700, T wrote:

I never would expect every piece of feedback to be taken. I am
quite active on the Open Source community and submit tons of
bug reports and RFE's (request for enhancements). I would say
about 95% of the bugs I submit get fixed. (Red Hat, Mozilla and
Libreoffice are my heroes; Openoffice, not so much.) And about
50% of the RFE's get taken seriously. The trick is in writing
a well documented and respectful letter.

Oh, the irony. Would such a letter include things like "M$", "idiot
account", or "Frankenstein"? I think it would need to before it
could be
taken seriously.


No irony at all. You are just looking for something to condescend
over.

You make it too easy.


Continue to dig holes under others to build yourself
up and you will eventually find yourself in the same hole
you dig

Don't make it about me. It's about you and your obsession with M$, which
apparently equates to MS (Microsoft) in your mind. If you don't like
others
pointing out how silly it all is, you know how to stop it.


Do you have trouble getting the taste of M$'s toes out of your mouth?

You know T for Idiot, if you don't like Microsoft Windows why don;t you
**** off and use 600 flavours of Linux.

Rene

On 04/22/2015 01:45 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
You know T for Idiot, if you don't like Microsoft Windows why don;t you
**** off and use 600 flavours of Linux.

Rene

Hi Rene,

Idiot, well ... you got me. But a "lovable" idiot.

Lighten up a little bit. If you are not having fun,
you are in the wrong profession.

I work on anything that a customer will pay me to work on.
I even work on DOS. But, my main customer base it Windows.
And, in my experience, having dealt with several other
OS's, M$'s stuff is rather poor quality. And that remark
should not offend you, unless you are a M$ sycophant.

And sycophants are the bane of groups like this because
the free flow or information is a necessity. When
you see my opinion of M$, you know without a doubt that I
am not trying to cover up screw ups of my favorite vendor.
But, that I am giving you direct, honest information.

It is all about helping others, not condescending.

Which would you rather hear? "What a piece of crap.
It is not you; it is them. Here is how you fix it"
Or, "It is your problem because you are an idiot."

Don't think that happens here? One of the flaming
sycophants on this group got into it with me over
M$ updates not having any problems and it was just me.
A simple Google search easily disproves that baloney.
(M$ w7 just had another borked patch Tuesday last week.
Of course, it was only me that had the problem ...)

My the way, I am surprised that the local sycophants did
not take offense at me calling SOF (Son-of-Frankenstein
or w10) "Windows Nein". I will try harder. This should
do the trick:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzA0ooZcp7E

-T

By the way, in my business, I only use one remaining
Windows program in a Virtual XP machine. (The vendor is
working on a port to something else for me). My
collection of Windows VM's are to assist my customers
and to do research for customers. I just haven't got
he patience for the low quality and poor performance
you get from Windows after working on it at customer
sites all day.

T wrote:
On 04/22/2015 02:11 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Chris S wrote:

"T" wrote in message
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On 04/21/2015 04:19 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 22:21:22 -0700, T wrote:

And, I also posit that Marketing has veto power.

Didn't do Steve Jobs any harm.


Hi Mechanic,

Steve Jobs would go to each engineer one at a time
and ask them what they thought. The iPod (Apple's
stock symbol, no?) was a good example. Marketing
had canned the idea. When the engineer showed
Jobs his idea, Jobs overrode marketing. The
rest is history.

I don't see anything like this at M$. M$ just
does whatever they want to do and the rest of
us are left to cope. If M$ were not (convicted on
two continents) monopolists, they would never get
away with things like Vista and Windows Nein
(opps, sorry Frankenstein and Sons).

Steve had some talent. He put his customer's
first.

-T




"M$" How juvinile................

Chris


No monopoly convictions on this contintent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Microsoft_Corp.
It was "settled".


Fyi - S.Jobs, while he had great vision, was 'Marketing'

He actually know what he was doing.

Learn the legal terms.
- No Conviction

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 04/23/2015 04:05 AM, . . .winston wrote:
T wrote:
On 04/22/2015 02:11 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Chris S wrote:

"T" wrote in message
...
On 04/21/2015 04:19 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 22:21:22 -0700, T wrote:

And, I also posit that Marketing has veto power.

Didn't do Steve Jobs any harm.


Hi Mechanic,

Steve Jobs would go to each engineer one at a time
and ask them what they thought. The iPod (Apple's
stock symbol, no?) was a good example. Marketing
had canned the idea. When the engineer showed
Jobs his idea, Jobs overrode marketing. The
rest is history.

I don't see anything like this at M$. M$ just
does whatever they want to do and the rest of
us are left to cope. If M$ were not (convicted on
two continents) monopolists, they would never get
away with things like Vista and Windows Nein
(opps, sorry Frankenstein and Sons).

Steve had some talent. He put his customer's
first.

-T




"M$" How juvinile................

Chris


No monopoly convictions on this contintent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Microsoft_Corp.
It was "settled".


Fyi - S.Jobs, while he had great vision, was 'Marketing'

He actually know what he was doing.

Learn the legal terms.
- No Conviction


Damn near just the same.

I wish the justice department had not weenied out.
Had M$ been broken up, the resulting explosion in
innovation would have been a sight to behold.

T wrote:
On 04/23/2015 04:05 AM, . . .winston wrote:
T wrote:
On 04/22/2015 02:11 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Chris S wrote:

"T" wrote in message
...
On 04/21/2015 04:19 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 22:21:22 -0700, T wrote:

And, I also posit that Marketing has veto power.

Didn't do Steve Jobs any harm.


Hi Mechanic,

Steve Jobs would go to each engineer one at a time
and ask them what they thought. The iPod (Apple's
stock symbol, no?) was a good example. Marketing
had canned the idea. When the engineer showed
Jobs his idea, Jobs overrode marketing. The
rest is history.

I don't see anything like this at M$. M$ just
does whatever they want to do and the rest of
us are left to cope. If M$ were not (convicted on
two continents) monopolists, they would never get
away with things like Vista and Windows Nein
(opps, sorry Frankenstein and Sons).

Steve had some talent. He put his customer's
first.

-T




"M$" How juvinile................

Chris


No monopoly convictions on this contintent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Microsoft_Corp.
It was "settled".


Fyi - S.Jobs, while he had great vision, was 'Marketing'

He actually know what he was doing.

Learn the legal terms.
- No Conviction


Damn near just the same.

I wish the justice department had not weenied out.
Had M$ been broken up, the resulting explosion in
innovation would have been a sight to behold.



Near doesn't count. No conviction.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 04/23/2015 02:43 PM, . . .winston wrote:
T wrote:
On 04/23/2015 04:05 AM, . . .winston wrote:
T wrote:
On 04/22/2015 02:11 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Chris S wrote:

"T" wrote in message
...
On 04/21/2015 04:19 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 22:21:22 -0700, T wrote:

And, I also posit that Marketing has veto power.

Didn't do Steve Jobs any harm.


Hi Mechanic,

Steve Jobs would go to each engineer one at a time
and ask them what they thought. The iPod (Apple's
stock symbol, no?) was a good example. Marketing
had canned the idea. When the engineer showed
Jobs his idea, Jobs overrode marketing. The
rest is history.

I don't see anything like this at M$. M$ just
does whatever they want to do and the rest of
us are left to cope. If M$ were not (convicted on
two continents) monopolists, they would never get
away with things like Vista and Windows Nein
(opps, sorry Frankenstein and Sons).

Steve had some talent. He put his customer's
first.

-T




"M$" How juvinile................

Chris


No monopoly convictions on this contintent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Microsoft_Corp.
It was "settled".


Fyi - S.Jobs, while he had great vision, was 'Marketing'

He actually know what he was doing.

Learn the legal terms.
- No Conviction


Damn near just the same.

I wish the justice department had not weenied out.
Had M$ been broken up, the resulting explosion in
innovation would have been a sight to behold.



Near doesn't count. No conviction.


You are correct. And you are slicing the baloney so think
you can see through it.

T wrote:
On 04/23/2015 02:43 PM, . . .winston wrote:
T wrote:
On 04/23/2015 04:05 AM, . . .winston wrote:
T wrote:
On 04/22/2015 02:11 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Chris S wrote:

"T" wrote in message
...
On 04/21/2015 04:19 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 22:21:22 -0700, T wrote:

And, I also posit that Marketing has veto power.

Didn't do Steve Jobs any harm.


Hi Mechanic,

Steve Jobs would go to each engineer one at a time
and ask them what they thought. The iPod (Apple's
stock symbol, no?) was a good example. Marketing
had canned the idea. When the engineer showed
Jobs his idea, Jobs overrode marketing. The
rest is history.

I don't see anything like this at M$. M$ just
does whatever they want to do and the rest of
us are left to cope. If M$ were not (convicted on
two continents) monopolists, they would never get
away with things like Vista and Windows Nein
(opps, sorry Frankenstein and Sons).

Steve had some talent. He put his customer's
first.

-T




"M$" How juvinile................

Chris


No monopoly convictions on this contintent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Microsoft_Corp.
It was "settled".


Fyi - S.Jobs, while he had great vision, was 'Marketing'

He actually know what he was doing.

Learn the legal terms.
- No Conviction


Damn near just the same.

I wish the justice department had not weenied out.
Had M$ been broken up, the resulting explosion in
innovation would have been a sight to behold.



Near doesn't count. No conviction.


You are correct. And you are slicing the baloney so think
you can see through it.

Doesn't matter if you can see through it or not or how many shades of
gray it is perceived to become. Near doesn't count in the legal system.
Perception may but it will never change the outcome of that case.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 04/24/2015 10:13 PM, . . .winston wrote:
T wrote:
On 04/23/2015 02:43 PM, . . .winston wrote:
T wrote:
On 04/23/2015 04:05 AM, . . .winston wrote:
T wrote:
On 04/22/2015 02:11 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Chris S wrote:

"T" wrote in message
...
On 04/21/2015 04:19 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 22:21:22 -0700, T wrote:

And, I also posit that Marketing has veto power.

Didn't do Steve Jobs any harm.


Hi Mechanic,

Steve Jobs would go to each engineer one at a time
and ask them what they thought. The iPod (Apple's
stock symbol, no?) was a good example. Marketing
had canned the idea. When the engineer showed
Jobs his idea, Jobs overrode marketing. The
rest is history.

I don't see anything like this at M$. M$ just
does whatever they want to do and the rest of
us are left to cope. If M$ were not (convicted on
two continents) monopolists, they would never get
away with things like Vista and Windows Nein
(opps, sorry Frankenstein and Sons).

Steve had some talent. He put his customer's
first.

-T




"M$" How juvinile................

Chris


No monopoly convictions on this contintent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Microsoft_Corp.
It was "settled".


Fyi - S.Jobs, while he had great vision, was 'Marketing'

He actually know what he was doing.

Learn the legal terms.
- No Conviction


Damn near just the same.

I wish the justice department had not weenied out.
Had M$ been broken up, the resulting explosion in
innovation would have been a sight to behold.



Near doesn't count. No conviction.


You are correct. And you are slicing the baloney so think
you can see through it.

Doesn't matter if you can see through it or not or how many shades of
gray it is perceived to become. Near doesn't count in the legal system.
Perception may but it will never change the outcome of that case.


Plea bargaining means they are guilty

On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 23:44:45 -0700, T wrote:

Plea bargaining means they are guilty

Not at all.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 04/25/2015 11:27 AM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 23:44:45 -0700, T wrote:

Plea bargaining means they are guilty

Not at all.


I think you two may be in error he

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plea_bargain

"A plea bargain (also plea agreement, plea deal or
copping a plea) is any agreement in a criminal case
between the prosecutor and defendant whereby the
defendant agrees to *plead guilty* to a particular
charge in return for some concession from the prosecutor.

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 16:39:18 -0700, T wrote:

On 04/25/2015 11:27 AM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 23:44:45 -0700, T wrote:

Plea bargaining means they are guilty

Not at all.


I think you two may be in error he

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plea_bargain

"A plea bargain (also plea agreement, plea deal or
copping a plea) is any agreement in a criminal case
between the prosecutor and defendant whereby the
defendant agrees to *plead guilty* to a particular
charge in return for some concession from the prosecutor.

Show me where this proves the defendant is guilty.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 04/25/2015 08:38 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 16:39:18 -0700, T wrote:

On 04/25/2015 11:27 AM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 23:44:45 -0700, T wrote:

Plea bargaining means they are guilty

Not at all.


I think you two may be in error he

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plea_bargain

"A plea bargain (also plea agreement, plea deal or
copping a plea) is any agreement in a criminal case
between the prosecutor and defendant whereby the
defendant agrees to *plead guilty* to a particular
charge in return for some concession from the prosecutor.

Show me where this proves the defendant is guilty.


You cop a plea, you admit you are guilty in a court of law.
You are slicing the baloney real thin here.

On 04/25/2015 09:25 PM, T wrote:
On 04/25/2015 08:38 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 16:39:18 -0700, T wrote:

On 04/25/2015 11:27 AM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 23:44:45 -0700, T wrote:

Plea bargaining means they are guilty

Not at all.


I think you two may be in error he

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plea_bargain

"A plea bargain (also plea agreement, plea deal or
copping a plea) is any agreement in a criminal case
between the prosecutor and defendant whereby the
defendant agrees to *plead guilty* to a particular
charge in return for some concession from the prosecutor.

Show me where this proves the defendant is guilty.


You cop a plea, you admit you are guilty in a court of law.
You are slicing the baloney real thin here.

Hi Gene,

By chance do you mean that you think they should not
have been convicted? That would be another subject.
And it would explain your letter.

-T

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 22:22:51 -0700, T wrote:

Plea bargaining means they are guilty

Not at all.


I think you two may be in error he

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plea_bargain

"A plea bargain (also plea agreement, plea deal or
copping a plea) is any agreement in a criminal case
between the prosecutor and defendant whereby the
defendant agrees to *plead guilty* to a particular
charge in return for some concession from the prosecutor.

Show me where this proves the defendant is guilty.


You cop a plea, you admit you are guilty in a court of law.
You are slicing the baloney real thin here.

Hi Gene,

By chance do you mean that you think they should not
have been convicted? That would be another subject.
And it would explain your letter.

Pleading guilty if you are not guilty would be dishonest would it not?
If it's an offence to declare something in a court of law which is not
true, then wouldn't pleading guilty to something of which you were in
fact not guilty make you genuinely guilty of another offence, the
offence of perjury? In a sense, you'd be guilty of being not guilty.

You'd also be stupid of course, but that's another story.

Rod.