10061 Problems

Just had it installed about an hour ago (took about 90 minutes to DL and
install over my wifi connection).

Seems a lot slower than the previous preview, and has added a major problem
for me: if I click on Start, All Apps, and then try to run any non-Win10
program, it won't start. I have to go back, right-click on the app, and
select Run as Admin. But, if I click on Start, then type the name of the app
I want to run, select it from the list, then it starts just fine.

None of the apps pinned to the Start menu work either, unless they're native
Win10 apps. If I had the .iso for this version, I'd do a wipe and reinstall,
but I don't really feel like wiping and reinstalling 10049, then re-updating
:-( Maybe I'll try Classic Shell again and see if that fixes it. If not,
I'll roll back to 10049; I don't need the aggravation of this release that
much LOL!
--
SC Tom

On 04/24/2015 08:56 AM, SC Tom wrote:
I don't really feel like wiping and reinstalling 10049, then re-updating

I wiped and reinstalled 10041. Fast Track jumped me straight
to 10061

On 24 Apr 2015, "SC Tom" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Just had it installed about an hour ago (took about 90 minutes to
DL and install over my wifi connection).

Seems a lot slower than the previous preview, and has added a
major problem for me: if I click on Start, All Apps, and then try
to run any non-Win10 program, it won't start. I have to go back,
right-click on the app, and select Run as Admin. But, if I click
on Start, then type the name of the app I want to run, select it
from the list, then it starts just fine.

None of the apps pinned to the Start menu work either, unless
they're native Win10 apps. If I had the .iso for this version, I'd
do a wipe and reinstall, but I don't really feel like wiping and
reinstalling 10049, then re-updating

I was having big problems with 10049. Instead of reinstalling from
scratch, I did a "Reset" from the Advanced Troubleshooting startup
menu. I'm not sure what that does exactly, but it seems to do something
like rebuild my profile. It removed all the programs I had installed,
but it finally worked properly. I guess my profile had become corrupt
or had some problem. I then let it update to 10061 and re-installed my
few programs, and it seems to be working pretty well now. And a bit
faster than 10041 and way faster than 10049 on my VirtualBox VM.

On 04/24/2015 08:56 AM, SC Tom wrote:
Just had it installed about an hour ago (took about 90 minutes to DL and
install over my wifi connection).

Seems a lot slower than the previous preview, and has added a major
problem for me: if I click on Start, All Apps, and then try to run any
non-Win10 program, it won't start. I have to go back, right-click on the
app, and select Run as Admin. But, if I click on Start, then type the
name of the app I want to run, select it from the list, then it starts
just fine.

None of the apps pinned to the Start menu work either, unless they're
native Win10 apps. If I had the .iso for this version, I'd do a wipe and
reinstall, but I don't really feel like wiping and reinstalling 10049,
then re-updating :-( Maybe I'll try Classic Shell again and see if that
fixes it. If not, I'll roll back to 10049; I don't need the aggravation
of this release that much LOL!


I think it is time to wipe and reinstall 10041

"T" wrote in message ...
On 04/24/2015 08:56 AM, SC Tom wrote:
Just had it installed about an hour ago (took about 90 minutes to DL and
install over my wifi connection).

Seems a lot slower than the previous preview, and has added a major
problem for me: if I click on Start, All Apps, and then try to run any
non-Win10 program, it won't start. I have to go back, right-click on the
app, and select Run as Admin. But, if I click on Start, then type the
name of the app I want to run, select it from the list, then it starts
just fine.

None of the apps pinned to the Start menu work either, unless they're
native Win10 apps. If I had the .iso for this version, I'd do a wipe and
reinstall, but I don't really feel like wiping and reinstalling 10049,
then re-updating :-( Maybe I'll try Classic Shell again and see if that
fixes it. If not, I'll roll back to 10049; I don't need the aggravation
of this release that much LOL!


I think it is time to wipe and reinstall 10041

I did a "Refresh" from the Settings/Recovery menu. It of course uninstalled
all of the non-native programs, but then the Start menu started doing what
Marti and John posted- going away after ~3 clicks. I installed the latest
Classic Shell, and it cured that problem (and my original one), but "All
Apps" is empty. You may be right about wiping and starting over. I may just
load an image I have of it and let that one fast track to 10061.
--
SC Tom

On 04/24/2015 05:24 PM, SC Tom wrote:


"T" wrote in message ...
On 04/24/2015 08:56 AM, SC Tom wrote:
Just had it installed about an hour ago (took about 90 minutes to DL and
install over my wifi connection).

Seems a lot slower than the previous preview, and has added a major
problem for me: if I click on Start, All Apps, and then try to run any
non-Win10 program, it won't start. I have to go back, right-click on the
app, and select Run as Admin. But, if I click on Start, then type the
name of the app I want to run, select it from the list, then it starts
just fine.

None of the apps pinned to the Start menu work either, unless they're
native Win10 apps. If I had the .iso for this version, I'd do a wipe and
reinstall, but I don't really feel like wiping and reinstalling 10049,
then re-updating :-( Maybe I'll try Classic Shell again and see if that
fixes it. If not, I'll roll back to 10049; I don't need the aggravation
of this release that much LOL!


I think it is time to wipe and reinstall 10041

I did a "Refresh" from the Settings/Recovery menu. It of course
uninstalled all of the non-native programs, but then the Start menu
started doing what Marti and John posted- going away after ~3 clicks. I
installed the latest Classic Shell, and it cured that problem (and my
original one), but "All Apps" is empty. You may be right about wiping
and starting over. I may just load an image I have of it and let that
one fast track to 10061.

Hi Tom,

Originally, I started with a 20 GB virtual drive. Then all the new
releases clogged to works. They even leave a Windows.old directory
kicking about.

This last wipe, I moved it up to 40 GB. After installing 10041 and
fast tracking 10061. I am now up to, oh poop, it was suppose to
dynamically expand and it took the whole 40 GB. Windows Explorer
says I have used 20.7 GB. What a waste of space!

Windows.old is taking up 10.2 GB. Last time I tried to get rid
of Windows.old, I had to boot into Xfce Linux Live CD.

M$ ... mumble ... mumble ... mumble

Every so often Windows need to be reinstalled. It is what it
is. I solve the issue by making a copy of my gold virtual
drive so I can revert back whenever I want.

-T

Never once in my 20 years of doing this have I had to reinstall
Linux. As I said, Windows is what it is. I just have to not
let it get to me. (Not doing too good a job at that ...)

In message , SC Tom writes
None of the apps pinned to the Start menu work either, unless they're
native Win10 apps.
It's weird. If I click on a non-10 program that I've put into the start
menu ( a good example is Control Panel), nothing happens.
If I look at the start menu entry, it points to a shortcut to Control
Panel. If I click the shortcut, Control Panel appears as normal.
So there seems to be a disconnect between the start menu and what it
points to.

I've still not seen a clear and definitive answer anywhere about whether
the release version is going to have selective updating enabled. That's
my "line in the mud".
--
Bill

"T" wrote in message ...
On 04/24/2015 05:24 PM, SC Tom wrote:


"T" wrote in message
...
On 04/24/2015 08:56 AM, SC Tom wrote:
Just had it installed about an hour ago (took about 90 minutes to DL
and
install over my wifi connection).

Seems a lot slower than the previous preview, and has added a major
problem for me: if I click on Start, All Apps, and then try to run any
non-Win10 program, it won't start. I have to go back, right-click on
the
app, and select Run as Admin. But, if I click on Start, then type the
name of the app I want to run, select it from the list, then it starts
just fine.

None of the apps pinned to the Start menu work either, unless they're
native Win10 apps. If I had the .iso for this version, I'd do a wipe
and
reinstall, but I don't really feel like wiping and reinstalling 10049,
then re-updating :-( Maybe I'll try Classic Shell again and see if that
fixes it. If not, I'll roll back to 10049; I don't need the aggravation
of this release that much LOL!


I think it is time to wipe and reinstall 10041

I did a "Refresh" from the Settings/Recovery menu. It of course
uninstalled all of the non-native programs, but then the Start menu
started doing what Marti and John posted- going away after ~3 clicks. I
installed the latest Classic Shell, and it cured that problem (and my
original one), but "All Apps" is empty. You may be right about wiping
and starting over. I may just load an image I have of it and let that
one fast track to 10061.

Hi Tom,

Originally, I started with a 20 GB virtual drive. Then all the new
releases clogged to works. They even leave a Windows.old directory
kicking about.

This last wipe, I moved it up to 40 GB. After installing 10041 and
fast tracking 10061. I am now up to, oh poop, it was suppose to
dynamically expand and it took the whole 40 GB. Windows Explorer
says I have used 20.7 GB. What a waste of space!

Windows.old is taking up 10.2 GB. Last time I tried to get rid
of Windows.old, I had to boot into Xfce Linux Live CD.

M$ ... mumble ... mumble ... mumble

Every so often Windows need to be reinstalled. It is what it
is. I solve the issue by making a copy of my gold virtual
drive so I can revert back whenever I want.

-T

Never once in my 20 years of doing this have I had to reinstall
Linux. As I said, Windows is what it is. I just have to not
let it get to me. (Not doing too good a job at that ...)


What are the parameters for the fast track update to start? Does the PC have
to be idle for x minutes/hours, or some other trigger? I restored my image
of 10049, booted up, and a download immediately started for a total of
4.5GB*. That was over 90 minutes ago, and the only thing I've been doing is
streaming a tennis match. I have a file,
"10061.0.150410-2039.fbl_impressive_CLIENTPRO_RET_x64fre_en-us.esd", that's
2.5GB, which I assume is the update/upgrade file. Any way to make it
run/install, or do I have to wait for some arbitrary signal for it to start?

* I think it's 4.5GB instead of 2.5GB because of a network interruption.
--
SC Tom

"SC Tom" wrote in message ...


"T" wrote in message
...
On 04/24/2015 05:24 PM, SC Tom wrote:


"T" wrote in message
...
On 04/24/2015 08:56 AM, SC Tom wrote:
Just had it installed about an hour ago (took about 90 minutes to DL
and
install over my wifi connection).

Seems a lot slower than the previous preview, and has added a major
problem for me: if I click on Start, All Apps, and then try to run any
non-Win10 program, it won't start. I have to go back, right-click on
the
app, and select Run as Admin. But, if I click on Start, then type the
name of the app I want to run, select it from the list, then it starts
just fine.

None of the apps pinned to the Start menu work either, unless they're
native Win10 apps. If I had the .iso for this version, I'd do a wipe
and
reinstall, but I don't really feel like wiping and reinstalling 10049,
then re-updating :-( Maybe I'll try Classic Shell again and see if
that
fixes it. If not, I'll roll back to 10049; I don't need the
aggravation
of this release that much LOL!


I think it is time to wipe and reinstall 10041

I did a "Refresh" from the Settings/Recovery menu. It of course
uninstalled all of the non-native programs, but then the Start menu
started doing what Marti and John posted- going away after ~3 clicks. I
installed the latest Classic Shell, and it cured that problem (and my
original one), but "All Apps" is empty. You may be right about wiping
and starting over. I may just load an image I have of it and let that
one fast track to 10061.

Hi Tom,

Originally, I started with a 20 GB virtual drive. Then all the new
releases clogged to works. They even leave a Windows.old directory
kicking about.

This last wipe, I moved it up to 40 GB. After installing 10041 and
fast tracking 10061. I am now up to, oh poop, it was suppose to
dynamically expand and it took the whole 40 GB. Windows Explorer
says I have used 20.7 GB. What a waste of space!

Windows.old is taking up 10.2 GB. Last time I tried to get rid
of Windows.old, I had to boot into Xfce Linux Live CD.

M$ ... mumble ... mumble ... mumble

Every so often Windows need to be reinstalled. It is what it
is. I solve the issue by making a copy of my gold virtual
drive so I can revert back whenever I want.

-T

Never once in my 20 years of doing this have I had to reinstall
Linux. As I said, Windows is what it is. I just have to not
let it get to me. (Not doing too good a job at that ...)


What are the parameters for the fast track update to start? Does the PC
have to be idle for x minutes/hours, or some other trigger? I restored my
image of 10049, booted up, and a download immediately started for a total
of 4.5GB*. That was over 90 minutes ago, and the only thing I've been
doing is streaming a tennis match. I have a file,
"10061.0.150410-2039.fbl_impressive_CLIENTPRO_RET_x64fre_en-us.esd",
that's 2.5GB, which I assume is the update/upgrade file. Any way to make
it run/install, or do I have to wait for some arbitrary signal for it to
start?

* I think it's 4.5GB instead of 2.5GB because of a network interruption.

Never mind. I "checked for updates" and now it's starting to install. Oh
boy, I can't hardly wait for it to finish wink wink.
--
SC Tom

"SC Tom" wrote in message ...


"SC Tom" wrote in message ...


"T" wrote in message
...
On 04/24/2015 05:24 PM, SC Tom wrote:


"T" wrote in message
...
On 04/24/2015 08:56 AM, SC Tom wrote:
Just had it installed about an hour ago (took about 90 minutes to DL
and
install over my wifi connection).

Seems a lot slower than the previous preview, and has added a major
problem for me: if I click on Start, All Apps, and then try to run
any
non-Win10 program, it won't start. I have to go back, right-click on
the
app, and select Run as Admin. But, if I click on Start, then type the
name of the app I want to run, select it from the list, then it
starts
just fine.

None of the apps pinned to the Start menu work either, unless they're
native Win10 apps. If I had the .iso for this version, I'd do a wipe
and
reinstall, but I don't really feel like wiping and reinstalling
10049,
then re-updating :-( Maybe I'll try Classic Shell again and see if
that
fixes it. If not, I'll roll back to 10049; I don't need the
aggravation
of this release that much LOL!


I think it is time to wipe and reinstall 10041

I did a "Refresh" from the Settings/Recovery menu. It of course
uninstalled all of the non-native programs, but then the Start menu
started doing what Marti and John posted- going away after ~3 clicks. I
installed the latest Classic Shell, and it cured that problem (and my
original one), but "All Apps" is empty. You may be right about wiping
and starting over. I may just load an image I have of it and let that
one fast track to 10061.

Hi Tom,

Originally, I started with a 20 GB virtual drive. Then all the new
releases clogged to works. They even leave a Windows.old directory
kicking about.

This last wipe, I moved it up to 40 GB. After installing 10041 and
fast tracking 10061. I am now up to, oh poop, it was suppose to
dynamically expand and it took the whole 40 GB. Windows Explorer
says I have used 20.7 GB. What a waste of space!

Windows.old is taking up 10.2 GB. Last time I tried to get rid
of Windows.old, I had to boot into Xfce Linux Live CD.

M$ ... mumble ... mumble ... mumble

Every so often Windows need to be reinstalled. It is what it
is. I solve the issue by making a copy of my gold virtual
drive so I can revert back whenever I want.

-T

Never once in my 20 years of doing this have I had to reinstall
Linux. As I said, Windows is what it is. I just have to not
let it get to me. (Not doing too good a job at that ...)


What are the parameters for the fast track update to start? Does the PC
have to be idle for x minutes/hours, or some other trigger? I restored my
image of 10049, booted up, and a download immediately started for a total
of 4.5GB*. That was over 90 minutes ago, and the only thing I've been
doing is streaming a tennis match. I have a file,
"10061.0.150410-2039.fbl_impressive_CLIENTPRO_RET_x64fre_en-us.esd",
that's 2.5GB, which I assume is the update/upgrade file. Any way to make
it run/install, or do I have to wait for some arbitrary signal for it to
start?

* I think it's 4.5GB instead of 2.5GB because of a network interruption.

Never mind. I "checked for updates" and now it's starting to install. Oh
boy, I can't hardly wait for it to finish wink wink.

No change. Apps and Start menu are still screwed up. Guess I'll wait until
there's an update to fix it. Since it's just a screw-around-with PC, it's no
big deal for now.
--
SC Tom

On 04/25/2015 11:46 AM, SC Tom wrote:


"SC Tom" wrote in message ...


"SC Tom" wrote in message ...


"T" wrote in message
...
On 04/24/2015 05:24 PM, SC Tom wrote:


"T" wrote in message
...
On 04/24/2015 08:56 AM, SC Tom wrote:
Just had it installed about an hour ago (took about 90 minutes to
DL and
install over my wifi connection).

Seems a lot slower than the previous preview, and has added a major
problem for me: if I click on Start, All Apps, and then try to
run any
non-Win10 program, it won't start. I have to go back, right-click
on the
app, and select Run as Admin. But, if I click on Start, then type
the
name of the app I want to run, select it from the list, then it
starts
just fine.

None of the apps pinned to the Start menu work either, unless
they're
native Win10 apps. If I had the .iso for this version, I'd do a
wipe and
reinstall, but I don't really feel like wiping and reinstalling
10049,
then re-updating :-( Maybe I'll try Classic Shell again and see
if that
fixes it. If not, I'll roll back to 10049; I don't need the
aggravation
of this release that much LOL!


I think it is time to wipe and reinstall 10041

I did a "Refresh" from the Settings/Recovery menu. It of course
uninstalled all of the non-native programs, but then the Start menu
started doing what Marti and John posted- going away after ~3
clicks. I
installed the latest Classic Shell, and it cured that problem (and my
original one), but "All Apps" is empty. You may be right about wiping
and starting over. I may just load an image I have of it and let that
one fast track to 10061.

Hi Tom,

Originally, I started with a 20 GB virtual drive. Then all the new
releases clogged to works. They even leave a Windows.old directory
kicking about.

This last wipe, I moved it up to 40 GB. After installing 10041 and
fast tracking 10061. I am now up to, oh poop, it was suppose to
dynamically expand and it took the whole 40 GB. Windows Explorer
says I have used 20.7 GB. What a waste of space!

Windows.old is taking up 10.2 GB. Last time I tried to get rid
of Windows.old, I had to boot into Xfce Linux Live CD.

M$ ... mumble ... mumble ... mumble

Every so often Windows need to be reinstalled. It is what it
is. I solve the issue by making a copy of my gold virtual
drive so I can revert back whenever I want.

-T

Never once in my 20 years of doing this have I had to reinstall
Linux. As I said, Windows is what it is. I just have to not
let it get to me. (Not doing too good a job at that ...)


What are the parameters for the fast track update to start? Does the
PC have to be idle for x minutes/hours, or some other trigger? I
restored my image of 10049, booted up, and a download immediately
started for a total of 4.5GB*. That was over 90 minutes ago, and the
only thing I've been doing is streaming a tennis match. I have a
file,
"10061.0.150410-2039.fbl_impressive_CLIENTPRO_RET_x64fre_en-us.esd",
that's 2.5GB, which I assume is the update/upgrade file. Any way to
make it run/install, or do I have to wait for some arbitrary signal
for it to start?

* I think it's 4.5GB instead of 2.5GB because of a network interruption.

Never mind. I "checked for updates" and now it's starting to install.
Oh boy, I can't hardly wait for it to finish wink wink.

No change. Apps and Start menu are still screwed up. Guess I'll wait
until there's an update to fix it. Since it's just a screw-around-with
PC, it's no big deal for now.


Hi Tom,

I like to put a shortcut to "wuapp.exe" (Windows Updates) on
my desktop. I can usually get it to start doing things if
I press the check for updates button. Sometimes I
have to press it twice.

-T

On 04/25/2015 03:30 AM, Bill wrote:
In message , SC Tom writes
None of the apps pinned to the Start menu work either, unless they're
native Win10 apps.
It's weird. If I click on a non-10 program that I've put into the start
menu ( a good example is Control Panel), nothing happens.
If I look at the start menu entry, it points to a shortcut to Control
Panel. If I click the shortcut, Control Panel appears as normal.
So there seems to be a disconnect between the start menu and what it
points to.

I've still not seen a clear and definitive answer anywhere about whether
the release version is going to have selective updating enabled. That's
my "line in the mud".

Hi Bill,

My non-authoritative source says that updates will be
mandatory. But it is non-authoritative, so don't
quote me.

My technical opinion is that mandatory updates are
a huge mistake given M$'s track record on updates.
(W7 had another botched one last week.)

-T

On 04/25/2015 06:43 PM, Marti van Lin wrote:
Therefore kudos to Microsoft for implementing the shiny new "Progress
Screen" including the "Progress Circle". It's a big step forward IMHO.

1+

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 16:19:01 -0700, T wrote:

My non-authoritative source says that updates will be
mandatory. But it is non-authoritative, so don't
quote me.

My technical opinion is that mandatory updates are
a huge mistake given M$'s track record on updates.
(W7 had another botched one last week.)

Mandatory updates will be a huge mistake unless the provision of
adequately fast internet with huge download allowances for the entire
world can be made mandatory too, which it almost certainly can't.

Rod.

On 26 Apr 2015, Roderick Stewart wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Mandatory updates will be a huge mistake unless the provision of
adequately fast internet with huge download allowances for the entire
world can be made mandatory too, which it almost certainly can't.

I would certainly be upset if the computer decided to install a large
update at a time when it wasn't convenient for me, say if I was
rendering a large video file, or when the cab was at the door waiting
to take me to the airport.