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Old April 28th 15, 08:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html
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Old April 28th 15, 09:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's

On 4/28/2015 2:45 PM, T wrote:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html

Yep, another moron yelling The PC is Dead, The sky is falling, What a
stupid jerk

Rene

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Old April 29th 15, 12:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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T wrote:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html


http://www.acronymfinder.com/SOF.html

So which of those acronyms is the one matching what you think SOF means?

When I built my home computers, I plan for 6 years of use before the
hardware will likely be severely lagging behind the minimal requirements
not so much of the operating system but of applications that are new 6
years from now. Right now, the home computer that I have was salvaged
from a friend who didn't want to fix some hardware problems. So between
this friend and me, this computer (Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400) is somewhere
around 8 years old. In that time, how many smartphones would the
average user had discarded and moved to a newer model? The average
use-span of mobile devices is only 21 months.

I have a fully usable and very still viable desktop PC after 8 years
whereas the mobile device users have discarded more than 4 mobile
devices in that same time and half way through the use-span of their
current mobile device. Mobile devices are designed for quick
obsolesence and dump fill.
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Old April 29th 15, 01:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's

On 4/28/2015 4:01 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:50:35 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 4/28/2015 2:45 PM, T wrote:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html

Yep, another moron yelling The PC is Dead, The sky is falling, What a
stupid jerk


What did he write which you felt was inaccurate or less than insightful?



What PC dilemma?

Rene

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Old April 29th 15, 01:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's

On 4/28/2015 7:42 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:30:53 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 4/28/2015 4:01 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:50:35 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 4/28/2015 2:45 PM, T wrote:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html

Yep, another moron yelling The PC is Dead, The sky is falling, What a
stupid jerk

What did he write which you felt was inaccurate or less than insightful?



What PC dilemma?


Is that is your only criticism? Do you take issue with anything in the body of
the article?



Basically he seems to be biased towards Apple and it shows badly in his
article, He certainly is not going to say anything good about Microsoft
therefore making his article rather useless.

Regards, Rene, A former Apple User

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Old April 29th 15, 03:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 21:01:13 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:50:35 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 4/28/2015 2:45 PM, T wrote:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html

Yep, another moron yelling The PC is Dead, The sky is falling, What a
stupid jerk


What did he write which you felt was inaccurate or less than insightful?


He made it sound like it was some huge change to go from xp to vista
to 7 when the truth is for the typical user it was really pretty
simple. Going to 8 was a mess I'll admit.

And the "won't save the PC" headline is just stupid. The PC is fine.
It's in use in business's and houses all over the world and will be
for many many more years. Nothing lasts forever. MS's only problem
is figuring out where to spend all the money.

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Old April 29th 15, 06:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's

T wrote:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html

Useless article.

Windows 10 isn't aimed at the consumer pc or saving it...it should be
clear to anyone that in the long term it's trajectory and design intent
is aimed directly at Enterprise and smartdevices (business and
consumer). That market across the entire planet in case anyone missed
it, has become the norm.

Whether we like it or not how we communicate has changed. Email is too
burdensome and slow and counterproductive in the Enterprise environment
(too much waste not adding value to company objectives). In the next
decade smart devices will become the primary means of data management.

Plan now, the direction is changing faster than anyone can complain
about it. Don't let the RC factor (resistance to change) become your mo.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
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Old April 29th 15, 08:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's

On 04/28/2015 01:50 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 4/28/2015 2:45 PM, T wrote:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html


Yep, another moron yelling The PC is Dead, The sky is falling, What a
stupid jerk

Rene


Did you actually read the article?
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Old April 29th 15, 08:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's

On 04/28/2015 05:58 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 4/28/2015 7:42 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:30:53 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 4/28/2015 4:01 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:50:35 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 4/28/2015 2:45 PM, T wrote:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html


Yep, another moron yelling The PC is Dead, The sky is falling,
What a
stupid jerk

What did he write which you felt was inaccurate or less than
insightful?



What PC dilemma?


Is that is your only criticism? Do you take issue with anything in
the body of
the article?



Basically he seems to be biased towards Apple and it shows badly in his
article, He certainly is not going to say anything good about Microsoft
therefore making his article rather useless.

Regards, Rene, A former Apple User


Did not catch that. He only pointed out that XP users were
moving to Apple because of the terrible offerings from M$.
I have noticed the same thing. It is just on observation,
not an attempt to sway opinion.
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Old April 29th 15, 08:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's

On 04/28/2015 07:42 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 21:01:13 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:50:35 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 4/28/2015 2:45 PM, T wrote:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html

Yep, another moron yelling The PC is Dead, The sky is falling, What a
stupid jerk


What did he write which you felt was inaccurate or less than insightful?


He made it sound like it was some huge change to go from xp to vista
to 7 when the truth is for the typical user it was really pretty
simple.


You are looking at the end result. Pretty much the same.

What you are missing the total wipe and reinstall of everything.
It is a big deal. Plus a lot of your old software won't
work. This is why a considerable number as jumping to
apple.

Going to 8 was a mess I'll admit.

And the "won't save the PC" headline is just stupid. The PC is fine.
It's in use in business's and houses all over the world and will be
for many many more years. Nothing lasts forever. MS's only problem
is figuring out where to spend all the money.


Wasn't the best headline. The article though, was well done.

I don't think M$ has any interest in saving the PC, just in
cashing in on the revenue stream that the various "stores"
bring in (Apple Store, Android Store, etc.). M$ realizes
the general public doesn't like the products, especially
their Frankenstein line (w8, w10).

Things won't get any better until (mainly business) applications
get supported on other operating systems. Monopolies always
eventually collapse (thought who wants to wait for it).

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Old April 29th 15, 08:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 04/28/2015 04:19 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
So which of those acronyms is the one matching what you think SOF means?


Hi Vanguard,

When I write SOF (w10), I always write in parenthesis
what I mean, so those not familiar with my writing
can tell.


SOF:

Son-of-Frankenstein. An acronym created by Todd the
Magnificent, also know as "-T" to describe M$
(Microsoft) Windows 10, also know as Frankenstein the
Younger, also know as Windows Nein. SOF also describes the
problems inherited from its father, Frankenstein the Elder,
also know as Frankenstein, also know as Windows 8, which
is the stitching together of the dissimilar Tablet and
Desktop technologies, which is causing a great deal of
end user consternation, not to mention spontaneous scratching of
the head, spontaneous shaking of the fist, and spontaneous
swearing.

How'd I do?

-T


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Old April 29th 15, 08:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 04/28/2015 10:51 PM, . . .winston wrote:
T wrote:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html


Useless article.

Windows 10 isn't aimed at the consumer pc or saving it...it should be
clear to anyone that in the long term it's trajectory and design intent
is aimed directly at Enterprise and smartdevices (business and
consumer). That market across the entire planet in case anyone missed
it, has become the norm.

Whether we like it or not how we communicate has changed. Email is too
burdensome and slow and counterproductive in the Enterprise environment
(too much waste not adding value to company objectives). In the next
decade smart devices will become the primary means of data management.

Plan now, the direction is changing faster than anyone can complain
about it. Don't let the RC factor (resistance to change) become your mo.


Hi Winston,

Part of what you say its true. What you are missing is that
iPad (the only serious tablet) have plunged. Everyone that
whats one, has one. And those that have one, find it works
just fine and are not interested in upgrading.

Also, the PC (desktop) and Tablet are used for dramatically
different purposes. Tablets are for receiving/viewing
information and they excel at it. But they are a NIGHTMARES
for creating information. Desktops are where content
creation happens, including Apps for tablets. As long
as there is creation going on, there will be desktops.

I personally am glad to see low end users move to tablets.
There is not need for them to use/have a full business class
computer. And I am glad not to have to listen to their bitching
over the cost of their upkeep. (One wonders what these guys
must think every time they have to fill their gas tanks and
what kind of tongue lasting the gas station attendant
has to put up with.)

And eMail is here to stay, as business want the paper trail
they provide.

Speaking of old stuff, the legal, real estate, insurance fields
will keep the fax machine around FOREVER!

As far as PC goes, your analogy is good. Information viewers
are pretty much history for the PC. The PC really need
to focus on the actual market, which is information creators.
M$'s Frankenstein family of operating systems (w8 and w10)
is not helping.

-T
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Old April 29th 15, 09:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 01:51:20 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

T wrote:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html

Useless article.


I thought it was fairly well written and useful, or at least useful to me.
To people who follow the industry very closely, I'm sure there was nothing
new there, but I don't, so it was fine.

Windows 10 isn't aimed at the consumer pc or saving it...it should be
clear to anyone that in the long term it's trajectory and design intent
is aimed directly at Enterprise and smartdevices (business and
consumer). That market across the entire planet in case anyone missed
it, has become the norm.


Then I'm confused. If you had said that Windows 7 (and XP before it) was
aimed at the Enterprise market, I would have agreed, but I'm not sure how
the same can be said for Win 8 or 10. Those two very clearly AREN'T aimed at
the Enterprise market. They're aimed at a hybrid tablet/PC consumer market,
IMHO.

Whether we like it or not how we communicate has changed. Email is too
burdensome and slow and counterproductive in the Enterprise environment
(too much waste not adding value to company objectives).


Email is still the dominant form of non-verbal communication in the
Enterprise space. IM is becoming more prevalent for quick chats, but for
anything beyond IM it's going to be email. I don't see that changing anytime
soon since there's nothing on the horizon yet to replace it.

In the next
decade smart devices will become the primary means of data management.


You were talking about how people communicate. Whether they're holding a
smart device or not, they still need a means of communication. Texting and
voice messaging aren't going to replace email.

Plan now, the direction is changing faster than anyone can complain
about it. Don't let the RC factor (resistance to change) become your mo.


Change is constant, but some things happen slower than others. In order for
email to slip away into the dustbin of history, something has to replace it.
We don't have that something yet. Whatever it's going to be, it needs to be
developed, introduced, and adopted, and all of those take time.

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Old April 29th 15, 10:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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T wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

So which of those acronyms is the one matching what you think SOF means?


Hi Vanguard,

When I write SOF (w10), I always write in parenthesis
what I mean, so those not familiar with my writing
can tell.

SOF:

Son-of-Frankenstein. An acronym created by Todd the
Magnificent, also know as "-T" to describe M$
(Microsoft) Windows 10, also know as Frankenstein the
Younger, also know as Windows Nein. SOF also describes the
problems inherited from its father, Frankenstein the Elder,
also know as Frankenstein, also know as Windows 8, which
is the stitching together of the dissimilar Tablet and
Desktop technologies, which is causing a great deal of
end user consternation, not to mention spontaneous scratching of
the head, spontaneous shaking of the fist, and spontaneous
swearing.

How'd I do?


And why this private terminology hasn't pervaded computerese to be a
well-known acronym. I never gave a gnat's fart about children gloming
onto a stupid moniker mentioned by some author long ago. It's like kids
that glom onto "****ake" so they can say a bad word without penalty.
Frankenstein has been mentioned for Windows 8 long before you glomed
onto it; however, it was not intended as a moniker but as a description.

Wasn't Frankenstein first applied to Windows 8 [Preview]? That would
make 8.1 the Son of Frankenstein and Windows 10 would be the grandson of
Frankenstein. It's obvious that using this term is less accurate than
using the version numbers.

As for stitching together an OS, that would apply way back to Windows 95
with a combo of a DOS 16-bit kernel and a 9x 32-bit kernel. To avoid
conflict with your self-proclaimed usurping of someone else's previously
used description, I suppose we could use the Dr Jekyll and Mr Hide
analogy for Windows 95.
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I have to wonder if the article's author does not do programming. He
focuses on the users' visual experience rather than on what future
developers might want to incorporate for features or security. He
doesn't know that Windows 10 provides changes (upgrades) to various APIs
that programs will then employ.

Directx 12 (introduces next version of Direct3D)
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/directx/arch...irectx-12.aspx
True universal apps across all form factors of devices
Hundreds of new WinRT APIs (new runtime for Store apps)
New biometrics support
Per-application VPN control
Secure Execution Environment (aka Device Guard, Hyper-V powered)
and more

Do I need any of that right now? Do I want any any of that now? No,
and probably not for many years. However, those that focus on claiming
Windows 10 has no bang-for-the-buck to, say, Windows 7 users almost
always miss (often due to ignorance) all the under-the-hood improvements
in Windows 10. I suspect curiousity will get the better of me to move
to Windows 10 but only after establishing an escape plan.

I first listed DirectX 12 for a reason. Other than business (and mostly
programming) use, what else pushes the need for the next version of
Windows? What do you see as the push for home users wanting the next
version? There's the well-trained sales mantra drilled into them that
"newer is better" but quite often it's the games that get home users to
move to the next version of Windows. A game they want to play requires
some newer or enhanced API that isn't available unless they move to the
new version of Windows. Games that require a newer version of DirectX
will push users to the next version of Windows. Users don't change
Windows versions because they want to move MS Office over to the new
version of Windows. The apps don't push users to a new Windows but
games do. It's also why these users buy newer hardware because the
games mandate higher hardware requirements.

When I've seen users (not companies) switch to a newer version of
Windows, it wasn't because their current suite of apps suddenly changed
their system requirements so that a newer version of Windows was needed.
Everything was already working for them. What type of applications push
the consumer market to get newer versions of Windows and newer hardware?
Games.

Users don't need newer hardware and OS just to run a word editor or
e-mail app. Few apps demand newer hardware (as they already have system
requirements that would've mandated more RAM or other hardware under the
current version of the OS). Only IE users that demand staying IE users
have to move to a newer version of Windows while all other web browser
users can hang back in older versions of Windows, so web browsing isn't
an impelling reason to move to a later version of Windows. You can hang
back 2 to 3 versions of Windows for many years until eventually the apps
that worked before have newer versions you need (or maybe just want)
requiring a new Windows version.

Microsoft loves users that are engrained in the newer-is-better mantra.
So what else pushes users to a newer OS? It can't be the apps. The
latest version of MS/Libre/OpenOffice that does everything you need and
runs under your current OS doesn't mandate you move to a newer version
of Windows. E-mail doesn't push you to a newer OS. Except in some
vertical markets, apps don't push you to a newer OS. What apps do you
use now that won't continue working under your current OS? What apps in
those same categories as your current apps would push you to a newer OS?
Games.

If you want to play a game that has a minimal system requirement of
DirectX 12, well, you'll be moving to Windows 10, or you pass on the
game. It's not just the GUI (visual experience) that'll change. Since
I play only a few games and none demand DirectX 12 (for obvious reasons)
then the only driving force for me to move to Windows 10 is a game that
I really REALLY want to play. E-mail, word processing, C/C++/C# and
other programming, video watching, web browsing, yadda yadda don't
require me to move from Win7. Other than games (and curiousity),
there's no reason for me to move away from my current OS. Games are the
impetus for a newer Windows; however, there are a lot of newer-is-better
suckers.

There are under-the-hood changes to Windows 10 but most users often
focus only on the visual experience. At some point in the future,
perhaps in 4 years (2 years for consumer adoption + 2 years for program
catchup for expertise and feature enhancement), many programs (mostly
games) will list Windows 10 as a minimal system requirement. By then
I'm hoping Windows 11 will soon get released so I can determine if
Windows 10 is another Windows Vista/8 flop and I should wait for Windows
11 or if Windows 10 is really an okay desktop OS.

I really suspect it'll be curiousity that gets me onto Windows 10. Hmm,
the Forbidden City. What's in there? You're not allowed. I gotta see.
Sneak in. Chop, there goes my head. Good thing I planned a time loop
(image backup) to before I snuck in. The only feedback I've gotten from
the IT folks is a sense of dread.

 




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