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Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's
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Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's
On 4/28/2015 2:45 PM, T wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html Yep, another moron yelling The PC is Dead, The sky is falling, What a stupid jerk Rene |
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Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's
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http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html http://www.acronymfinder.com/SOF.html So which of those acronyms is the one matching what you think SOF means? When I built my home computers, I plan for 6 years of use before the hardware will likely be severely lagging behind the minimal requirements not so much of the operating system but of applications that are new 6 years from now. Right now, the home computer that I have was salvaged from a friend who didn't want to fix some hardware problems. So between this friend and me, this computer (Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400) is somewhere around 8 years old. In that time, how many smartphones would the average user had discarded and moved to a newer model? The average use-span of mobile devices is only 21 months. I have a fully usable and very still viable desktop PC after 8 years whereas the mobile device users have discarded more than 4 mobile devices in that same time and half way through the use-span of their current mobile device. Mobile devices are designed for quick obsolesence and dump fill. |
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Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's
On 4/28/2015 4:01 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:50:35 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 4/28/2015 2:45 PM, T wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html Yep, another moron yelling The PC is Dead, The sky is falling, What a stupid jerk What did he write which you felt was inaccurate or less than insightful? What PC dilemma? Rene |
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Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's
On 4/28/2015 7:42 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:30:53 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 4/28/2015 4:01 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:50:35 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 4/28/2015 2:45 PM, T wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html Yep, another moron yelling The PC is Dead, The sky is falling, What a stupid jerk What did he write which you felt was inaccurate or less than insightful? What PC dilemma? Is that is your only criticism? Do you take issue with anything in the body of the article? Basically he seems to be biased towards Apple and it shows badly in his article, He certainly is not going to say anything good about Microsoft therefore making his article rather useless. Regards, Rene, A former Apple User |
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Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 21:01:13 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:50:35 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 4/28/2015 2:45 PM, T wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html Yep, another moron yelling The PC is Dead, The sky is falling, What a stupid jerk What did he write which you felt was inaccurate or less than insightful? He made it sound like it was some huge change to go from xp to vista to 7 when the truth is for the typical user it was really pretty simple. Going to 8 was a mess I'll admit. And the "won't save the PC" headline is just stupid. The PC is fine. It's in use in business's and houses all over the world and will be for many many more years. Nothing lasts forever. MS's only problem is figuring out where to spend all the money. |
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T wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html Useless article. Windows 10 isn't aimed at the consumer pc or saving it...it should be clear to anyone that in the long term it's trajectory and design intent is aimed directly at Enterprise and smartdevices (business and consumer). That market across the entire planet in case anyone missed it, has become the norm. Whether we like it or not how we communicate has changed. Email is too burdensome and slow and counterproductive in the Enterprise environment (too much waste not adding value to company objectives). In the next decade smart devices will become the primary means of data management. Plan now, the direction is changing faster than anyone can complain about it. Don't let the RC factor (resistance to change) become your mo. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's
On 04/28/2015 01:50 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 4/28/2015 2:45 PM, T wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html Yep, another moron yelling The PC is Dead, The sky is falling, What a stupid jerk Rene Did you actually read the article? |
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Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's
On 04/28/2015 05:58 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 4/28/2015 7:42 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:30:53 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 4/28/2015 4:01 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:50:35 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 4/28/2015 2:45 PM, T wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html Yep, another moron yelling The PC is Dead, The sky is falling, What a stupid jerk What did he write which you felt was inaccurate or less than insightful? What PC dilemma? Is that is your only criticism? Do you take issue with anything in the body of the article? Basically he seems to be biased towards Apple and it shows badly in his article, He certainly is not going to say anything good about Microsoft therefore making his article rather useless. Regards, Rene, A former Apple User Did not catch that. He only pointed out that XP users were moving to Apple because of the terrible offerings from M$. I have noticed the same thing. It is just on observation, not an attempt to sway opinion. |
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Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's
On 04/28/2015 07:42 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 21:01:13 +0000, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:50:35 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 4/28/2015 2:45 PM, T wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html Yep, another moron yelling The PC is Dead, The sky is falling, What a stupid jerk What did he write which you felt was inaccurate or less than insightful? He made it sound like it was some huge change to go from xp to vista to 7 when the truth is for the typical user it was really pretty simple. You are looking at the end result. Pretty much the same. What you are missing the total wipe and reinstall of everything. It is a big deal. Plus a lot of your old software won't work. This is why a considerable number as jumping to apple. Going to 8 was a mess I'll admit. And the "won't save the PC" headline is just stupid. The PC is fine. It's in use in business's and houses all over the world and will be for many many more years. Nothing lasts forever. MS's only problem is figuring out where to spend all the money. Wasn't the best headline. The article though, was well done. I don't think M$ has any interest in saving the PC, just in cashing in on the revenue stream that the various "stores" bring in (Apple Store, Android Store, etc.). M$ realizes the general public doesn't like the products, especially their Frankenstein line (w8, w10). Things won't get any better until (mainly business) applications get supported on other operating systems. Monopolies always eventually collapse (thought who wants to wait for it). |
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Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's
On 04/28/2015 04:19 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
So which of those acronyms is the one matching what you think SOF means? Hi Vanguard, When I write SOF (w10), I always write in parenthesis what I mean, so those not familiar with my writing can tell. SOF: Son-of-Frankenstein. An acronym created by Todd the Magnificent, also know as "-T" to describe M$ (Microsoft) Windows 10, also know as Frankenstein the Younger, also know as Windows Nein. SOF also describes the problems inherited from its father, Frankenstein the Elder, also know as Frankenstein, also know as Windows 8, which is the stitching together of the dissimilar Tablet and Desktop technologies, which is causing a great deal of end user consternation, not to mention spontaneous scratching of the head, spontaneous shaking of the fist, and spontaneous swearing. How'd I do? -T |
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Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's
On 04/28/2015 10:51 PM, . . .winston wrote:
T wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html Useless article. Windows 10 isn't aimed at the consumer pc or saving it...it should be clear to anyone that in the long term it's trajectory and design intent is aimed directly at Enterprise and smartdevices (business and consumer). That market across the entire planet in case anyone missed it, has become the norm. Whether we like it or not how we communicate has changed. Email is too burdensome and slow and counterproductive in the Enterprise environment (too much waste not adding value to company objectives). In the next decade smart devices will become the primary means of data management. Plan now, the direction is changing faster than anyone can complain about it. Don't let the RC factor (resistance to change) become your mo. Hi Winston, Part of what you say its true. What you are missing is that iPad (the only serious tablet) have plunged. Everyone that whats one, has one. And those that have one, find it works just fine and are not interested in upgrading. Also, the PC (desktop) and Tablet are used for dramatically different purposes. Tablets are for receiving/viewing information and they excel at it. But they are a NIGHTMARES for creating information. Desktops are where content creation happens, including Apps for tablets. As long as there is creation going on, there will be desktops. I personally am glad to see low end users move to tablets. There is not need for them to use/have a full business class computer. And I am glad not to have to listen to their bitching over the cost of their upkeep. (One wonders what these guys must think every time they have to fill their gas tanks and what kind of tongue lasting the gas station attendant has to put up with.) And eMail is here to stay, as business want the paper trail they provide. Speaking of old stuff, the legal, real estate, insurance fields will keep the fax machine around FOREVER! As far as PC goes, your analogy is good. Information viewers are pretty much history for the PC. The PC really need to focus on the actual market, which is information creators. M$'s Frankenstein family of operating systems (w8 and w10) is not helping. -T |
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Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's
On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 01:51:20 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote: T wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/article/291...ve-the-pc.html Useless article. I thought it was fairly well written and useful, or at least useful to me. To people who follow the industry very closely, I'm sure there was nothing new there, but I don't, so it was fine. Windows 10 isn't aimed at the consumer pc or saving it...it should be clear to anyone that in the long term it's trajectory and design intent is aimed directly at Enterprise and smartdevices (business and consumer). That market across the entire planet in case anyone missed it, has become the norm. Then I'm confused. If you had said that Windows 7 (and XP before it) was aimed at the Enterprise market, I would have agreed, but I'm not sure how the same can be said for Win 8 or 10. Those two very clearly AREN'T aimed at the Enterprise market. They're aimed at a hybrid tablet/PC consumer market, IMHO. Whether we like it or not how we communicate has changed. Email is too burdensome and slow and counterproductive in the Enterprise environment (too much waste not adding value to company objectives). Email is still the dominant form of non-verbal communication in the Enterprise space. IM is becoming more prevalent for quick chats, but for anything beyond IM it's going to be email. I don't see that changing anytime soon since there's nothing on the horizon yet to replace it. In the next decade smart devices will become the primary means of data management. You were talking about how people communicate. Whether they're holding a smart device or not, they still need a means of communication. Texting and voice messaging aren't going to replace email. Plan now, the direction is changing faster than anyone can complain about it. Don't let the RC factor (resistance to change) become your mo. Change is constant, but some things happen slower than others. In order for email to slip away into the dustbin of history, something has to replace it. We don't have that something yet. Whatever it's going to be, it needs to be developed, introduced, and adopted, and all of those take time. |
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Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's
T wrote:
VanguardLH wrote: So which of those acronyms is the one matching what you think SOF means? Hi Vanguard, When I write SOF (w10), I always write in parenthesis what I mean, so those not familiar with my writing can tell. SOF: Son-of-Frankenstein. An acronym created by Todd the Magnificent, also know as "-T" to describe M$ (Microsoft) Windows 10, also know as Frankenstein the Younger, also know as Windows Nein. SOF also describes the problems inherited from its father, Frankenstein the Elder, also know as Frankenstein, also know as Windows 8, which is the stitching together of the dissimilar Tablet and Desktop technologies, which is causing a great deal of end user consternation, not to mention spontaneous scratching of the head, spontaneous shaking of the fist, and spontaneous swearing. How'd I do? And why this private terminology hasn't pervaded computerese to be a well-known acronym. I never gave a gnat's fart about children gloming onto a stupid moniker mentioned by some author long ago. It's like kids that glom onto "****ake" so they can say a bad word without penalty. Frankenstein has been mentioned for Windows 8 long before you glomed onto it; however, it was not intended as a moniker but as a description. Wasn't Frankenstein first applied to Windows 8 [Preview]? That would make 8.1 the Son of Frankenstein and Windows 10 would be the grandson of Frankenstein. It's obvious that using this term is less accurate than using the version numbers. As for stitching together an OS, that would apply way back to Windows 95 with a combo of a DOS 16-bit kernel and a 9x 32-bit kernel. To avoid conflict with your self-proclaimed usurping of someone else's previously used description, I suppose we could use the Dr Jekyll and Mr Hide analogy for Windows 95. |
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Interesting article on SOF's (w10's) impact on pc's
I have to wonder if the article's author does not do programming. He
focuses on the users' visual experience rather than on what future developers might want to incorporate for features or security. He doesn't know that Windows 10 provides changes (upgrades) to various APIs that programs will then employ. Directx 12 (introduces next version of Direct3D) http://blogs.msdn.com/b/directx/arch...irectx-12.aspx True universal apps across all form factors of devices Hundreds of new WinRT APIs (new runtime for Store apps) New biometrics support Per-application VPN control Secure Execution Environment (aka Device Guard, Hyper-V powered) and more Do I need any of that right now? Do I want any any of that now? No, and probably not for many years. However, those that focus on claiming Windows 10 has no bang-for-the-buck to, say, Windows 7 users almost always miss (often due to ignorance) all the under-the-hood improvements in Windows 10. I suspect curiousity will get the better of me to move to Windows 10 but only after establishing an escape plan. I first listed DirectX 12 for a reason. Other than business (and mostly programming) use, what else pushes the need for the next version of Windows? What do you see as the push for home users wanting the next version? There's the well-trained sales mantra drilled into them that "newer is better" but quite often it's the games that get home users to move to the next version of Windows. A game they want to play requires some newer or enhanced API that isn't available unless they move to the new version of Windows. Games that require a newer version of DirectX will push users to the next version of Windows. Users don't change Windows versions because they want to move MS Office over to the new version of Windows. The apps don't push users to a new Windows but games do. It's also why these users buy newer hardware because the games mandate higher hardware requirements. When I've seen users (not companies) switch to a newer version of Windows, it wasn't because their current suite of apps suddenly changed their system requirements so that a newer version of Windows was needed. Everything was already working for them. What type of applications push the consumer market to get newer versions of Windows and newer hardware? Games. Users don't need newer hardware and OS just to run a word editor or e-mail app. Few apps demand newer hardware (as they already have system requirements that would've mandated more RAM or other hardware under the current version of the OS). Only IE users that demand staying IE users have to move to a newer version of Windows while all other web browser users can hang back in older versions of Windows, so web browsing isn't an impelling reason to move to a later version of Windows. You can hang back 2 to 3 versions of Windows for many years until eventually the apps that worked before have newer versions you need (or maybe just want) requiring a new Windows version. Microsoft loves users that are engrained in the newer-is-better mantra. So what else pushes users to a newer OS? It can't be the apps. The latest version of MS/Libre/OpenOffice that does everything you need and runs under your current OS doesn't mandate you move to a newer version of Windows. E-mail doesn't push you to a newer OS. Except in some vertical markets, apps don't push you to a newer OS. What apps do you use now that won't continue working under your current OS? What apps in those same categories as your current apps would push you to a newer OS? Games. If you want to play a game that has a minimal system requirement of DirectX 12, well, you'll be moving to Windows 10, or you pass on the game. It's not just the GUI (visual experience) that'll change. Since I play only a few games and none demand DirectX 12 (for obvious reasons) then the only driving force for me to move to Windows 10 is a game that I really REALLY want to play. E-mail, word processing, C/C++/C# and other programming, video watching, web browsing, yadda yadda don't require me to move from Win7. Other than games (and curiousity), there's no reason for me to move away from my current OS. Games are the impetus for a newer Windows; however, there are a lot of newer-is-better suckers. There are under-the-hood changes to Windows 10 but most users often focus only on the visual experience. At some point in the future, perhaps in 4 years (2 years for consumer adoption + 2 years for program catchup for expertise and feature enhancement), many programs (mostly games) will list Windows 10 as a minimal system requirement. By then I'm hoping Windows 11 will soon get released so I can determine if Windows 10 is another Windows Vista/8 flop and I should wait for Windows 11 or if Windows 10 is really an okay desktop OS. I really suspect it'll be curiousity that gets me onto Windows 10. Hmm, the Forbidden City. What's in there? You're not allowed. I gotta see. Sneak in. Chop, there goes my head. Good thing I planned a time loop (image backup) to before I snuck in. The only feedback I've gotten from the IT folks is a sense of dread. |
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