Win 7 upgrade

If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if MS
will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to just pay
for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is my
biggest concern with win 10
Linux might be looking better than it used to.

On 2015-05-02 12:12 PM, Dino wrote:
If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if MS
will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to just pay
for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is my
biggest concern with win 10

Microsoft doesn't ship spyware. There's nothing to uncheck. There might
be some unneeded but still useful programs bundled with the
installation, but none of them spy on you as you suggest.

Linux might be looking better than it used to.

Good luck with their upgrades. I'm sure that constantly having a broken
system will please you.

--
Slimer
Encrypt.

Ken1943 wrote:
On Sat, 02 May 2015 12:12:54 -0400, Dino wrote:

If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if MS
will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to just pay
for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is my
biggest concern with win 10
Linux might be looking better than it used to.

It will over wright Win 7 and the serial can't be used again. Just like
the Win 7 to 8 "update".
Our privacy was compromised long before 10.


KenW
I bought 3 win 8 upgrades and was offered to download iso files for
install on other computers.I wonder if win 10 will offer something similar?

Dino wrote:
If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if MS
will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to just pay
for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is my
biggest concern with win 10
Linux might be looking better than it used to.

Upgrading nullifies the prior o/s license.

Purchasing Win10 (full version media or download) at retail or MSFT
Store and subsequent use will not nullify the prior version.
- Win10 will be available in two forms (a) upgrade via Windows Update
(free for the first year, cost thereafter) or (b) full version media

Note: Windows 7 hardware needs to meet 8.1 Specs. Additional specs are
necessary to install 64 bit o/s on a 64 bit system (Win 7 or 8.0 did not
require the additional specs - 8.1 and later do)




--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Dino wrote:
Ken1943 wrote:
On Sat, 02 May 2015 12:12:54 -0400, Dino wrote:

If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if
MS will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to
just pay for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is
my biggest concern with win 10
Linux might be looking better than it used to.

It will over wright Win 7 and the serial can't be used again. Just like
the Win 7 to 8 "update".
Our privacy was compromised long before 10.


KenW
I bought 3 win 8 upgrades and was offered to download iso files for
install on other computers.I wonder if win 10 will offer something similar?

Win 10 will be available in 2 forms
- upgrade free via Windows Update
- purchase full version media (disks or media download) from MSFT or
3rd party resellers. No upgrade media available in consumer market
(i.e. only full version)

Windows 8.0 was the last 'upgrade' purchasable o/s. 8.1 and later (just
like Office 10 and later) is all full version.

Thus you can purchase as many Win10 (full versions) as needed either
receiving download link or media (media when and if available will be an
extra cost for the DVDs)

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

.. . .winston wrote:

Dino wrote:
Ken1943 wrote:
On Sat, 02 May 2015 12:12:54 -0400, Dino wrote:

If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if
MS will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to
just pay for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is
my biggest concern with win 10
Linux might be looking better than it used to.

It will over wright Win 7 and the serial can't be used again. Just like
the Win 7 to 8 "update".
Our privacy was compromised long before 10.


KenW
I bought 3 win 8 upgrades and was offered to download iso files for
install on other computers.I wonder if win 10 will offer something
similar?

Win 10 will be available in 2 forms
- upgrade free via Windows Update
- purchase full version media (disks or media download) from MSFT or
3rd party resellers. No upgrade media available in consumer market
(i.e. only full version)

Windows 8.0 was the last 'upgrade' purchasable o/s. 8.1 and later (just
like Office 10 and later) is all full version.

Thus you can purchase as many Win10 (full versions) as needed either
receiving download link or media (media when and if available will be an
extra cost for the DVDs)


I done this with win 8.1. I upgraded win 8 to win 8.1 on my primary drive
via windows store. Then at a later date i downloaded the win 8.1 iso from
Microsoft web site. I installed win 8.1 in virtualbox and used my win 8 cd
key needless to say win 8.1 installed and worked.

I assume this will be the same with win 10 don't hold me to that.

I downloaded the win 8.1 ISO because i don't like where win 10 is going.
what they are trying to ship are poor imitations of what linux can do for
years wand want people to pay for it.

As for linux not having spyware, who know what lies beneath the hood!

Dino wrote:

If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if MS
will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to just pay
for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is my
biggest concern with win 10
Linux might be looking better than it used to.

Before you decided, if you have used linux before ignore this. If you have
not used linux before watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49PxrcmY6dU

have fun.

Darklight wrote:
Dino wrote:

If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if MS
will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to just pay
for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is my
biggest concern with win 10
Linux might be looking better than it used to.

Before you decided, if you have used linux before ignore this. If you have
not used linux before watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49PxrcmY6dU

have fun.

I have used linux since 1998 started on Red Hat. Linux is on all my
machines. I think KDE sucks. I prefer Gnome over it on Fedora 21. I also
like Slackware with XFCE desktop but it is hard for some people to
configure and new releases don't happen to often. Linux is very stable
but the problem with it is there is always something lacking software or
hardware that makes me need windows.If they ever get that corrected I
would gladly go windows free. If windows is going where I think they are
with lock down subscription I will not use it anymore.I think windows 10
will end up like windows 8.1 because that is all win 10 is an updated
win8 with things added more stuff getting sent home to MS.

Darklight wrote:
. . .winston wrote:

Dino wrote:
Ken1943 wrote:
On Sat, 02 May 2015 12:12:54 -0400, Dino wrote:

If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if
MS will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to
just pay for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is
my biggest concern with win 10
Linux might be looking better than it used to.

It will over wright Win 7 and the serial can't be used again. Just like
the Win 7 to 8 "update".
Our privacy was compromised long before 10.


KenW
I bought 3 win 8 upgrades and was offered to download iso files for
install on other computers.I wonder if win 10 will offer something
similar?

Win 10 will be available in 2 forms
- upgrade free via Windows Update
- purchase full version media (disks or media download) from MSFT or
3rd party resellers. No upgrade media available in consumer market
(i.e. only full version)

Windows 8.0 was the last 'upgrade' purchasable o/s. 8.1 and later (just
like Office 10 and later) is all full version.

Thus you can purchase as many Win10 (full versions) as needed either
receiving download link or media (media when and if available will be an
extra cost for the DVDs)


I done this with win 8.1. I upgraded win 8 to win 8.1 on my primary drive
via windows store. Then at a later date i downloaded the win 8.1 iso from
Microsoft web site. I installed win 8.1 in virtualbox and used my win 8 cd
key needless to say win 8.1 installed and worked.

I assume this will be the same with win 10 don't hold me to that.

I downloaded the win 8.1 ISO because i don't like where win 10 is going.
what they are trying to ship are poor imitations of what linux can do for
years wand want people to pay for it.

As for linux not having spyware, who know what lies beneath the hood!


Where Win10 is going ? Where have you been for the last decade.

The seeds of Win10 were planted almost a dozen or more years ago. MSFT
has always had a willing fee based or free Microsoft Account population
(started with MSN in 1995) whether it be msn, passport.net, hotmail.com,
live.com, outlook.com.

The Msn/Hotmail/Live/Outlook.com population started out relatively small
but by prior to Hotmail being rolled into the company it was around 5-6
million by 2006 that MSFT account (Hotmail/Messenger user population)
was over 200 million, today it's around 0.5 Billion. Pretty impressive
growth over 20 yrs.

What happened in the last decade. Windows Live. First consumer free
local suite of applications with cloud integration. Even with usage in
the low millions it was more than sufficient to gather telemetry on
cloud usage via sharing (Photo-email and Messenger both stored content
on MSFT cloud eventually migrating to Microsoft Account user cloud storage).

Many folks will complain about the Windows Live (now Windows Essentials)
applications but with Mail, Messenger, Mesh, Photo Gallery all local and
cloud integrated more than sufficient statistical sampling data (95%
confidence, 5% or less error) for probability projections the seeds of
the future of Windows was obvious. Windows Live was never really about
application it was about collecting data on sharing and cloud storage.
That data proved to be golden for where Windows should/would go.

Throw in the smart devices (hand-helds) and it would seem quite obvious
that where Windows is going has nothing to do about the last 2
generations usage but the future disposable income of the youngest.



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Dino wrote on 5/2/2015 12:12 PM:
If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if MS will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so
I will have to just pay for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of spyware but I wonder if that will do any
good.Invasion of privicy is my biggest concern with win 10
Linux might be looking better than it used to.

IIRC on day one when Windows 8.0 came out they gave you a windows key and then you downloaded and upgraded 7. I made
an image of windows 7 first and then upgraded. After that I shrunk the partition down and made room for the windows 7
image and loaded it onto the then allocated space. Fixed up the dual boot and had both systems running. Windows 7
still worked since my copy actually was not overwritten by that upgrade. I tossed windows 8 about 8 months afterwards
when I was confident I could live on 8. Actually 7 is still running in my VM.

Not sure if Win 10 is going to do the same thing or not, but you can bet your retirement I'm going to image my Windows
8.1 before the upgrade!!

On Sat, 02 May 2015 16:20:51 -0400, Dino wrote:

Linux is very stable
but the problem with it is there is always something lacking software or
hardware that makes me need windows.

I have tried Linux several times. Good for special purposes, not so
versatile as Windows, at least for me. I would have to learn too much
to become good on Linux.

Our girls (6 and 8 years old) are happy with their HP Slatebook 14
(320 USD @ amazon.com), a kind of light and thin notebook with a
touchscreen, running Android (and Android`s foundation is Linux).
Great for watching 1:1 copied DVDs from external Micro-SD-Card with
Wondershare Player during travelling (copied with AnyDVD on Windows)
or Youtube or some light games or surfing with Firefox (including
Adblock Plus). Would be good enough for serious work with Google Apps
(but they don`t use them yet).
(Before the Slatebook I bought them a cheap 22" All-in-one with
Windows 8.1, but they never liked it. Too complicated, too slow when
booting, frequent updates stopping them from using the machine during
the update process.)

Perhaps Windows 10 will be interesting (but I always wait about 1 year
after release before trying a new version of Windows). But the
strategy of Microsoft is obvious now (Continuum).

So for me the more interesting question is, how Google will react.
Blurring the line between mobile and desktop with Continuum, Microsoft
becomes a real contender again.

Android is already a OS good enough for many desktops, as I know from
the Slatebook. And all Android-Apps may run on Chromebooks now, too:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/29037...romebooks.html
Google's App Runtime for Chrome to bring native Android apps to
Chromebooks

So interesting times for personal and mobile computing... soon more
choices than ever.

M.

On 05/02/2015 11:55 AM, . . .winston wrote:
purchase full version media (disks or media download) from MSFT or 3rd
party resellers. No upgrade media available in consumer market (i.e.
only full version)

Hi Winston,

Do you know if the full version will also include the ability to
upgrade Widows 7?

-T

On 05/02/2015 01:20 PM, Dino wrote:


I have used linux since 1998 started on Red Hat. Linux is on all my
machines. I think KDE sucks.

Hi Dino,

1+. Instable as all hell too.

I prefer Gnome over it on Fedora 21. I also
like Slackware with XFCE desktop but it is hard for some people to
configure and new releases don't happen to often. Linux is very stable
but the problem with it is there is always something lacking software or
hardware that makes me need windows.If they ever get that corrected I
would gladly go windows free.

The old Catch 22: developers won't develop for Linux because of Linux's
small install base; users won't switch to Linux because of the lack
of apps.

If windows is going where I think they are
with lock down subscription I will not use it anymore.I think windows 10
will end up like windows 8.1 because that is all win 10 is an updated
win8 with things added more stuff getting sent home to MS.

8, 8.1, 10: all the same animal. All have dissimilar and inappropriate
technologies stitched together. And hence, all get the nickname of
Frankenstein. The only benefit I see to 10 will be that it might
be more stable. HA HA. We will see.

-T

On 05/02/2015 03:16 PM, Michael Logies wrote:
I have tried Linux several times. Good for special purposes, not so
versatile as Windows, at least for me. I would have to learn too much
to become good on Linux.

I set up Xfce such that it looks exactly like XP. Put their
favorite App icons on their desktop. They virtually can't
tell it apart from XP, except that it doesn't crash.

On 05/02/2015 12:44 PM, Darklight wrote:
Dino wrote:

If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if MS
will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to just pay
for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is my
biggest concern with win 10
Linux might be looking better than it used to.

Before you decided, if you have used linux before ignore this. If you have
not used linux before watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49PxrcmY6dU

have fun.


Hi Darklight,

Great video. Doesn't address the issue of the lack of apps.
If there were the same apps for Linux as Windows, M$
would be a faint memory in the ether.

-T