Win 7 upgrade

On 05/05/2015 02:17 AM, Darklight wrote:
T wrote:

On 05/04/2015 03:37 AM, Darklight wrote:
T wrote:

On 05/02/2015 12:44 PM, Darklight wrote:
Dino wrote:

If I upgrade from a windows 7 machine to win 10 would anyone know if
MS will render that version of win 7 unusable?If so I will have to
just pay for win 10 to be able to install on empty HD.
While installing win 10 I due the custom install and uncheck a lot of
spyware but I wonder if that will do any good.Invasion of privicy is
my biggest concern with win 10
Linux might be looking better than it used to.

Before you decided, if you have used linux before ignore this. If you
have not used linux before watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49PxrcmY6dU

have fun.


Hi Darklight,

Great video. Doesn't address the issue of the lack of apps.
If there were the same apps for Linux as Windows, M$
would be a faint memory in the ether.

-T

What apps are you looking for. And i can tell you if there are such
apps available i run both os win8.1 and linux.



Hi Darklight,

I am down to only having to run virtual XP to run
Go To Assist.

Things that usually trip up my customers a

Quickbooks, especially payroll
Paythyme
http://www.paythyme.org.uk/
Quicken
GnuCash
http://nixmash.com/linux/quicken-to-...t-application/
M$ Office (I know, Libre Office is just as good)
crossover will allow you to install ms office
https://www.codeweavers.com/products/
I find openoffice does a better job than libreoffice.
i have ms office, libreoffice and openoffice installed on my pc
i have used openoffice to create pdf files.
Adobe this, that, and the other thing
if you use adobe for pdf files there is Okular
Tax software
Specialty small business software only written for Windows.
Idiot Web apps written only for IE
Ancestry software
And i am sure if you do a search for the rest of these you are bound to find
an alternative.

-T

On the bright side Qoppa's PDF Studio (Mac, Linux, and Windows)
is awesome.
I hope the above helps



Hi Darklight,

All true. But it doesn't work on the "I can't learn
anything new" crowd. And to a certain point, they
have invented in learning a particular piece of
software, the don't feel like doing it again. It can
be frustrating at times.

-T

On 04/05/2015 11:05, . . .winston wrote:
T wrote:
On 05/02/2015 11:55 AM, . . .winston wrote:
purchase full version media (disks or media download) from MSFT or 3rd
party resellers. No upgrade media available in consumer market (i.e.
only full version)

Hi Winston,

Do you know if the full version will also include the ability to
upgrade Widows 7?

-T

Windows 8.1 did. It would seem logical to provide that option.
It's important to understand the process for going from Win7 to Win10
when using media (all media is full version)

Just like Win7 to 8.1 media based upgrages - no settings, no installed
programs, just personal files (i.e. data only retained)


Just the stuff it's trivially easy to backup and copy back after a clean
install then.

Why did they bother???

--

Brian Gregory (in the UK).
To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.

On 05/05/2015 03:51 PM, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 04/05/2015 11:05, . . .winston wrote:
T wrote:
On 05/02/2015 11:55 AM, . . .winston wrote:
purchase full version media (disks or media download) from MSFT or 3rd
party resellers. No upgrade media available in consumer market (i.e.
only full version)

Hi Winston,

Do you know if the full version will also include the ability to
upgrade Widows 7?

-T

Windows 8.1 did. It would seem logical to provide that option.
It's important to understand the process for going from Win7 to Win10
when using media (all media is full version)

Just like Win7 to 8.1 media based upgrages - no settings, no installed
programs, just personal files (i.e. data only retained)


Just the stuff it's trivially easy to backup and copy back after a clean
install then.

Why did they bother???


Bummer.

Vista to w7 got all the programs and stuff.

Michael Logies wrote:

On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:17:29 +0100, Darklight
wrote:

Things that usually trip up my customers a
(...)
Quicken
GnuCash
http://nixmash.com/linux/quicken-to-...t-application/

Specialty small business software only written for Windows.
(...)
And i am sure if you do a search for the rest of these you are bound to
find an alternative.

Darklight,

how old are you, 20? ;-)
I`m almost 50 and using PCs since 30 years. And the last 15 years I
was reading Linux advocates like you from time to time...

No, GnuCash cannot replace Quicken as far as I`m concerned, needing
reports, graphics, electronic banking. In germany Moneyplex (Linux,
Windows, Mac) would be the obvious alternative:
http://www.matrica.de/produkte/produktmpx1.html
But even this would mean that I had to import too many data (20 years
of bank accounts and stocks - impossible). The last 15 years of my
career I will stick with Quicken, I hope.

A dental office software is about 5000 USD and thousands of dollar
worth in invested time (training and customizations). And there is
simply no dental program for Linux as good as my dental software on
Windows.

I`m a more or less happy windows user. The ROI during the last 20
years was very good, because I never had to buy a Windows Server but
could use peer to peer networking with Windows Professional, a Linux
NAS and a lot of cheap/free third party software (Openoffice, PagePlus
for DTP, Irfanview, Picasa, Thunderbird, Firefox/Zotero, Total
Commander. My Microsoft Office is from 2002 and still sufficient in my
virtualized Windows XP terminal server (www.thinsoftinc.com)).

I don`t need an accountant because of Quicken and don`t need a tax
advisor because of some Windows software. Only in 2014 the first of
the four leading german tax programs for endusers became available for
Linux:
http://www.steuertipps.de/steuererkl...er-nur-mit-uns

To make it short: Linux cannot replace Windows completely today and
will not in the foreseeable future, at least not for the Windows Power
User and many Small Businesses (my focus). But for day to day tasks
for many people something like Linux Mint may be already sufficient.
Linux Mint is No. 1 at Distrowatch:
http://distrowatch.com/index.php?language=DE

China and Russia have declared that they don`t want to use any
products from Microsoft any more because of the NSA scandal (it`s
linux instead). Other countries may follow. Mobiles dominate the
personal computing markets in many countries today and in the future.
Microsoft knows all that and tries to innovate with Windows 10 for a
continous user experience from mobile to desktop to the cloud, hence
"Continuum". And that makes Windows 10 the most interesting product
for me since XP. (But in the moment we cannot test this because the
mobile devices for Continuum are not available, yet.).

Regards

M.

Listen T only asked a question and i just tried to help. Yes there are more
programs written for windows. Yes windows has more programs and yes better
programs for now. If linux hit the seen first it would be like windows is
now viruses and all. I never said the programs i suggested were better but
just an alternative. Windows has it advantages over linux and visor versa. I
use both I don't have a problem.

I am not a linux advocate If i was i would not be here and even testing
windows 10. I run windows 8.1 dual booted with linux and i don't have a
problem with it. I was even called a windows 8 advocate not long ago.

This is now off topic but directed at you.
As it seems you are a in-depth windows user what's your verdicts so far of
windows 10?

You say windows is innovating. All i see win 10 are poor iterations of what
has been around in linux for years. And they want to palm it off as if they
created it.

The problems i have with windows 10 a
The talk of them removing control panel The replacement i don't like
not being able to choose between auto and manual update
no option to choose what start menu you have IE standard menu, metro
interface or the new win 10 start menu.

And lets see if you can see a problem with the installation of win 10?

Apart from that i see nothing wrong with it.

On Wed, 06 May 2015 11:33:21 +0100, Darklight
wrote:

As it seems you are a in-depth windows user what's your verdicts so far of
windows 10?

Darklight,

as a "in-depth windows user" I have learnt over the years that I
should not touch a new windows before it is on the market for a year
or so (till 3rd party software has been adapted and Windows has been
smoothed)). I`m not in a hurry.

You say windows is innovating. All i see win 10 are poor iterations of what
has been around in linux for years.

No, I don`t think so:
http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/29/mic...into-desktops/
Microsoft Announces Continuum, Turning Windows 10 Phones Into Desktops
Posted Apr 29, 2015 by Kyle Russell (@kylebrussell)

And lets see if you can see a problem with the installation of win 10?

I don`t have time for beta testing and would so only in a VM.

Regards

M.

On 05/05/2015 01:36 PM, Michael Logies wrote:
how old are you, 20?;-)
I`m almost 50 and using PCs since 30 years. And the last 15 years I
was reading Linux advocates like you from time to time...

Hi Michael,

This is not a debating club as to which OS is better.
This is folks trying to help folks. Darklight
tried to help me: that is to be honored, not debated.

-T

Michael Logies wrote:

On Wed, 06 May 2015 11:33:21 +0100, Darklight
wrote:

As it seems you are a in-depth windows user what's your verdicts so far of
windows 10?

Darklight,

as a "in-depth windows user" I have learnt over the years that I
should not touch a new windows before it is on the market for a year
or so (till 3rd party software has been adapted and Windows has been
smoothed)). I`m not in a hurry.

You say windows is innovating. All i see win 10 are poor iterations of
what has been around in linux for years.

No, I don`t think so:
http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/29/mic...into-desktops/

Raspberry pi comes to mind here. I am not having a pop at you let me make
this clear. I am having a pop and windows. if they used standard windows
code they could not do this. It is Linux or unix under the hood.

I will give them this they are in the best place to push this thou.

I always wondered why they brought into opensuse now i think i know why!

Microsoft Announces Continuum, Turning Windows 10 Phones Into Desktops
Posted Apr 29, 2015 by Kyle Russell (@kylebrussell)

And lets see if you can see a problem with the installation of win 10?

I don`t have time for beta testing and would so only in a VM.

Regards

M.

Darklight wrote:
Michael Logies wrote:

On Wed, 06 May 2015 11:33:21 +0100, Darklight
wrote:

As it seems you are a in-depth windows user what's your verdicts so far of
windows 10?
Darklight,

as a "in-depth windows user" I have learnt over the years that I
should not touch a new windows before it is on the market for a year
or so (till 3rd party software has been adapted and Windows has been
smoothed)). I`m not in a hurry.

You say windows is innovating. All i see win 10 are poor iterations of
what has been around in linux for years.
No, I don`t think so:
http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/29/mic...into-desktops/

Raspberry pi comes to mind here.

I don't understand that announcement (Win10 on Raspberry PI),
when for $100, you can get a tablet with an Intel processor,
and no wires trailing all over your desktop.

Raspberry PI is exactly what it looks like, a hacker
system for hacking things. RPi is not a desktop replacement,
a laptop replacement. It's a completely separate space.
People buy into it, for its "rawness". If you had to
mechanically package RPi to make it as nice looking
as a tablet/laptop/desktop, you'd be paying more than
you would for a low end piece of kit.

This is what you do with a PI.

(CNC Controller)
http://hackaday.com/2014/05/23/the-pi-cnc-controller/

(Raspberry PI Robot)
http://www.framboise314.fr/wp-conten.../lu_132_00.jpg

Paul

Paul wrote:

Darklight wrote:
Michael Logies wrote:

On Wed, 06 May 2015 11:33:21 +0100, Darklight
wrote:

As it seems you are a in-depth windows user what's your verdicts so far
of windows 10?
Darklight,

as a "in-depth windows user" I have learnt over the years that I
should not touch a new windows before it is on the market for a year
or so (till 3rd party software has been adapted and Windows has been
smoothed)). I`m not in a hurry.

You say windows is innovating. All i see win 10 are poor iterations of
what has been around in linux for years.
No, I don`t think so:
http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/29/mic...into-desktops/

Raspberry pi comes to mind here.

I don't understand that announcement (Win10 on Raspberry PI),
when for $100, you can get a tablet with an Intel processor,
and no wires trailing all over your desktop.

Raspberry PI is exactly what it looks like, a hacker
system for hacking things. RPi is not a desktop replacement,
a laptop replacement. It's a completely separate space.
People buy into it, for its "rawness". If you had to
mechanically package RPi to make it as nice looking
as a tablet/laptop/desktop, you'd be paying more than
you would for a low end piece of kit.

This is what you do with a PI.

(CNC Controller)
http://hackaday.com/2014/05/23/the-pi-cnc-controller/

(Raspberry PI Robot)
http://www.framboise314.fr/wp-conten.../lu_132_00.jpg

Paul

you obviously don't understand what i am saying.

Question: do you think you could install windows 7 or a variant of windows 7
on a mobile phone and it be usable?
Question what is the difference in install size of windows vs linux?
Why did i use rpi you could say it is a cheap mobile device. that's why i
used it. I can easily be wrong on this.

Just for fun look at this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FwJT60fTxI

I am sure there are other clips to counter this.

Darklight wrote:
Paul wrote:

Darklight wrote:
Michael Logies wrote:

On Wed, 06 May 2015 11:33:21 +0100, Darklight
wrote:

As it seems you are a in-depth windows user what's your verdicts so far
of windows 10?
Darklight,

as a "in-depth windows user" I have learnt over the years that I
should not touch a new windows before it is on the market for a year
or so (till 3rd party software has been adapted and Windows has been
smoothed)). I`m not in a hurry.

You say windows is innovating. All i see win 10 are poor iterations of
what has been around in linux for years.
No, I don`t think so:
http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/29/mic...into-desktops/
Raspberry pi comes to mind here.
I don't understand that announcement (Win10 on Raspberry PI),
when for $100, you can get a tablet with an Intel processor,
and no wires trailing all over your desktop.

Raspberry PI is exactly what it looks like, a hacker
system for hacking things. RPi is not a desktop replacement,
a laptop replacement. It's a completely separate space.
People buy into it, for its "rawness". If you had to
mechanically package RPi to make it as nice looking
as a tablet/laptop/desktop, you'd be paying more than
you would for a low end piece of kit.

This is what you do with a PI.

(CNC Controller)
http://hackaday.com/2014/05/23/the-pi-cnc-controller/

(Raspberry PI Robot)
http://www.framboise314.fr/wp-conten.../lu_132_00.jpg

Paul

you obviously don't understand what i am saying.

Question: do you think you could install windows 7 or a variant of windows 7
on a mobile phone and it be usable?
Question what is the difference in install size of windows vs linux?
Why did i use rpi you could say it is a cheap mobile device. that's why i
used it. I can easily be wrong on this.

Just for fun look at this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FwJT60fTxI

I am sure there are other clips to counter this.

Microsoft has also negotiated installation of
Windows 10 on a Xiaomi Android device. The difference
is, at least it's a finished good, and perfect for
this kind of OS (lockin no matter what OS it runs).

http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/17/microsoft-android-rom/

Whereas people assembling RPi, some of the packages
already exist, are ready to go. Converting the whole
ecosystem, seems rather pointless when RPi is a hacker
environment. That's the selling point. Who would
want to use Visual Studio to write software for an
RPi ? I wouldn't, having some experience with Visual
Studio and what a PITA is it. If you want
a Windows tablet, they're only $100, no fuss, no
muss, no "ROMs". But with the tablet, no GPIO, no
shields, no connection to H-bridge motor drives,
no robots driving around your room.

Paul