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Win 10 a disaster.
On 06/12/2015 23:36, John Nice wrote:
What was wrong with 8.1? It's being supported until 2023. I guess MS will focus on W10 development, not 8.1. If you are interested in new features, W10 is the way to go. On the other hand, if you are satisfied with 8.1 or 7, do keep them, as they are probably better choices in terms of stability. |
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Win 10 a disaster.
On 12/6/2015 5:36 PM, John Nice wrote:
On 06/12/2015 11:48, Kenny wrote: Upgraded Acer laptop from Win 8.1. First thing Start button didn't do anything, used the "fix" from command prompt shown he http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/wi...ws-10-3623893/ Thought it had worked until I discovered many of my programs weren't showing and many of the ones which did won't work from there! Windows Live Mail doesn't show at all and I had to burrow through Programs to find it to check my mail and post this comment. My plan now is to try a fresh install on a blank HDD, I've downloaded a Win 10 ISO separately, although tempted to just forget Win 10 and stick with Win 8.1. Used Belarc Advisor to get Win 8.1 serial, is that all I need? Would also add that the PC has slowed considerably since upgrading and I have about 20GB wasted space with Windows.old and $WINDOWS.~BT Kenny Cargill What was wrong with 8.1? It's being supported until 2023. You know what...not a thing. I put Win 10 on my laptop. I find it annoying and intrusive; Win 8.1 has not failed me on my desktop, has never crashed and took everything I threw at it w/o a complaint. OTOH, any company that sneaks in KB's that gets you setup for Win 10 without your knowledge doesn't deserve trust or my business. There were two more of those little buggers this week; one for Win 7 and one for Win 8.1. Worst of all, you can't manage your own PC with the update setup. I may be an idiot, but I can be an idiot w/o their help. |
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Win 10 a disaster.
"Kenny" wrote in message
om... Upgraded Acer laptop from Win 8.1. First thing Start button didn't do anything, used the "fix" from command prompt shown he http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/wi...ws-10-3623893/ Thought it had worked until I discovered many of my programs weren't showing and many of the ones which did won't work from there! Windows Live Mail doesn't show at all and I had to burrow through Programs to find it to check my mail and post this comment. My plan now is to try a fresh install on a blank HDD, I've downloaded a Win 10 ISO separately, although tempted to just forget Win 10 and stick with Win 8.1. Used Belarc Advisor to get Win 8.1 serial, is that all I need? Would also add that the PC has slowed considerably since upgrading and I have about 20GB wasted space with Windows.old and $WINDOWS.~BT Once your upgraded copy of Win 10 is activated, you can do a clean install and won't need to enter a product key. Besides, a Win 8 product key cannot be used for a Win 10 install. |
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Win 10 a disaster.
Kenny wrote:
Found this disassembly guide after I had already done it: http://www.myfixguide.com/manual/ace...g-disassembly/ My fear is damaging one of those ZIF connectors when removing and reconnecting ribbon cables, it has happened before. My understanding is that the black part should easily flip up to release the cable, I didn't find it that simple! Kenny That's an impressive disassembly. For the USB cable, you could try undoing the screws on the two port PCB and pull up the PCB and move it out of the way, to access the hard drive. But messing with a keyboard cable, touchpad cable, LCD panel cable, might still be necessary (and not spelled out on that page). You might have considered the purchase of an optical drive bay adapter module for SATA storage devices. And put the SSD in that. If the laptop shipped with a "plastic filler" module instead of an optical drive, perhaps fitting one of these would not be as difficult. With this, now you have "two hard drives", the regular one, and the SSD sits in your DVD bay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2nd-SSD-HDD-...#ht_5100wt_922 And using that module, assumes the BIOS has enough settings to define the boot order. Which isn't a given. A lack of BIOS settings could shoot this project in the foot. The project is a "go" if the BIOS is full-featured. Paul |
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Win 10 a disaster.
PAS wrote:
Once your upgraded copy of Win 10 is activated, you can do a clean install and won't need to enter a product key. Besides, a Win 8 product key cannot be used for a Win 10 install. Not as of 10586 DVD download. That DVD allows entering the Win7 or Win8.1 qualifying OS license key directly. Subject to the usual Microsoft screw-ups of course. The feature was first available in the 10565 Insider DVD, and is also in the 10586 regular track DVD. The original 10240 DVD is not designed to accept Win7 or Win8 keys. Direct key acceptance came later. Paul |
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Win 10 a disaster.
On Sun, 06 Dec 2015 17:46:08 -0500, Nil
wrote: On 06 Dec 2015, John Nice wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10: What was wrong with 8.1? It's being supported until 2023. But... but... but... Windows 10 is *FREE*! Considering what you get, that's too expensive for me. |
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Win 10 a disaster.
On 12/6/2015 12:32 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Canuck57 wrote: In a nutshell, Windows 10 is not ready for average users unless they have Geek Squad on rapid dial. Rapid dialing Geek Squad is like asking the elementary school choir for help. That was funny. But as the family computer guy I get lots of invitations to dinner. Only think idiot support knows today is OEM reinstalls. Gets kind of dry. |
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Win 10 a disaster.
Interesting idea replacing DVD drive with an HDD caddy, I didn't know until
now that was possible and thinking seriously about it. Kenny "Paul" wrote in message ... Kenny wrote: Found this disassembly guide after I had already done it: http://www.myfixguide.com/manual/ace...g-disassembly/ My fear is damaging one of those ZIF connectors when removing and reconnecting ribbon cables, it has happened before. My understanding is that the black part should easily flip up to release the cable, I didn't find it that simple! Kenny That's an impressive disassembly. For the USB cable, you could try undoing the screws on the two port PCB and pull up the PCB and move it out of the way, to access the hard drive. But messing with a keyboard cable, touchpad cable, LCD panel cable, might still be necessary (and not spelled out on that page). You might have considered the purchase of an optical drive bay adapter module for SATA storage devices. And put the SSD in that. If the laptop shipped with a "plastic filler" module instead of an optical drive, perhaps fitting one of these would not be as difficult. With this, now you have "two hard drives", the regular one, and the SSD sits in your DVD bay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2nd-SSD-HDD-...#ht_5100wt_922 And using that module, assumes the BIOS has enough settings to define the boot order. Which isn't a given. A lack of BIOS settings could shoot this project in the foot. The project is a "go" if the BIOS is full-featured. Paul |
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Win 10 a disaster.
"Paul" wrote in message
... PAS wrote: Once your upgraded copy of Win 10 is activated, you can do a clean install and won't need to enter a product key. Besides, a Win 8 product key cannot be used for a Win 10 install. Not as of 10586 DVD download. That DVD allows entering the Win7 or Win8.1 qualifying OS license key directly. Subject to the usual Microsoft screw-ups of course. The feature was first available in the 10565 Insider DVD, and is also in the 10586 regular track DVD. The original 10240 DVD is not designed to accept Win7 or Win8 keys. Direct key acceptance came later. Paul Thanks for pointing that out. I've updated to 10586 via Windows update. So, now someone can upgrade to Win10 with a fresh install without having first upgraded a version 7 or 8 or 8.1 OS as long as they have a valid key. |
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PAS wrote:
Thanks for pointing that out. I've updated to 10586 via Windows update. So, now someone can upgrade to Win10 with a fresh install without having first upgraded a version 7 or 8 or 8.1 OS as long as they have a valid key. I don't plan on testing it, but that was the word. It would be a reason to own a 10586 DVD. Paul |
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Win 10 a disaster.
On 12/7/2015 1:53 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 06 Dec 2015 17:46:08 -0500, Nil wrote: On 06 Dec 2015, John Nice wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10: What was wrong with 8.1? It's being supported until 2023. But... but... but... Windows 10 is *FREE*! Considering what you get, that's too expensive for me. Win 10 is mainly another marketing scheme. With out it, MS would not have an excuse to sell the "latest and greatest" As a user, Win7 or 8.1 work quite well, although I occasionally still miss some of the stuff we could do with the really older windows versions. Something about real time operations and custom drivers as I recall. Times are a changin! The latest effort is to use a Raspberry Pi 2B for hardware control, and talk to it via windows on a P/C, with a Wi-Fi link. Linux has far less restrictions and so forth to deal with. Besides, a $35 computer with a gig of ram, USB,audio,HDMI, etc. is not to be sneezed at! Unfortunately, it looks like my router packed it in this evening, so I'll have to go get a new one. Seems that they design them to fail after several years. |
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Win 10 a disaster.
Took the plunge and replaced HDD with SSD, not overly difficult but was very
careful disconnecting and reconnecting those ribbon cables/ZIF sockets, used a plastic spudger. I had no idea spudger was even a word until I did this! The Samsung migration software worked very well, it booted straight to Windows with programs etc. intact. Only slight problem was when I put the old HDD into a USB enclosure, the PC wouldn't recognise it, something to do with ID's conflicting. Can't remember how I fixed it, found the answer via Google and it was relatively simple. Kenny "Kenny" wrote in message om... Interesting idea replacing DVD drive with an HDD caddy, I didn't know until now that was possible and thinking seriously about it. Kenny "Paul" wrote in message ... Kenny wrote: Found this disassembly guide after I had already done it: http://www.myfixguide.com/manual/ace...g-disassembly/ My fear is damaging one of those ZIF connectors when removing and reconnecting ribbon cables, it has happened before. My understanding is that the black part should easily flip up to release the cable, I didn't find it that simple! Kenny That's an impressive disassembly. For the USB cable, you could try undoing the screws on the two port PCB and pull up the PCB and move it out of the way, to access the hard drive. But messing with a keyboard cable, touchpad cable, LCD panel cable, might still be necessary (and not spelled out on that page). You might have considered the purchase of an optical drive bay adapter module for SATA storage devices. And put the SSD in that. If the laptop shipped with a "plastic filler" module instead of an optical drive, perhaps fitting one of these would not be as difficult. With this, now you have "two hard drives", the regular one, and the SSD sits in your DVD bay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2nd-SSD-HDD-...#ht_5100wt_922 And using that module, assumes the BIOS has enough settings to define the boot order. Which isn't a given. A lack of BIOS settings could shoot this project in the foot. The project is a "go" if the BIOS is full-featured. Paul --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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Win 10 a disaster.
On 14/12/2015 18:19, Kenny Cargill wrote:
Took the plunge and replaced HDD with SSD, not overly difficult but was very careful disconnecting and reconnecting those ribbon cables/ZIF sockets, used a plastic spudger. I had no idea spudger was even a word until I did this! The Samsung migration software worked very well, it booted straight to Windows with programs etc. intact. Only slight problem was when I put the old HDD into a USB enclosure, the PC wouldn't recognise it, something to do with ID's conflicting. Can't remember how I fixed it, found the answer via Google and it was relatively simple. So the moral of the story is that Windows 10 is NOT a disaster after all. Thank you for posting your success story. That is what we like to hear. People like Kenny should be ashamed of themselves for being so stupid. Perhaps he can learn a thing or two from you. -- /*This post contains rich text (HTML). if you don't like it then you can kill-filter the poster without crying about it like a small baby so that you don't see this poster's posts ever again.*/ /*This message is best read in Mozilla Thunderbird as it uses 21st century technology.*/ |
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